Some people missing in Baja

[NeedlesRat]

Haven’t read this thread, but I knew Callum. A good dude, went down because a friend offered a surf trip and went down to never come back. His brother came to visit and went down with him, also to never come back. Found their bodies at a bottom of a cliff. Callum was a legit rugby player and a big mother fucker so I hope he put up a good fight. To think about what their last moments in life was is a hard thing to think about. I can only imagine what their family
Is going through. Lost two sons who went on a surf trip. Those people are animals

 

[DILLIGAF]

Haven’t read this thread, but I knew Callum. A good dude, went down because a friend offered a surf trip and went down to never come back. His brother came to visit and went down with him, also to never come back. Found their bodies at a bottom of a cliff. Callum was a legit rugby player and a big mother fucker so I hope he put up a good fight. To think about what their last moments in life was is a hard thing to think about. I can only imagine what their family
Is going through. Lost two sons who went on a surf trip. Those people are animals

Sorry to hear that. Condolences and I hope he and the others RIP

 

[FROGMAN524]

Tragic. RIP brothers.

 

[rivrrts429]

Haven’t read this thread, but I knew Callum. A good dude, went down because a friend offered a surf trip and went down to never come back. His brother came to visit and went down with him, also to never come back. Found their bodies at a bottom of a cliff. Callum was a legit rugby player and a big mother fucker so I hope he put up a good fight. To think about what their last moments in life was is a hard thing to think about. I can only imagine what their family
Is going through. Lost two sons who went on a surf trip. Those people are animals

I’m sorry to hear this and I agree that the people who did this are animals.

 

[beerrun]

Haven’t read this thread, but I knew Callum. A good dude, went down because a friend offered a surf trip and went down to never come back. His brother came to visit and went down with him, also to never come back. Found their bodies at a bottom of a cliff. Callum was a legit rugby player and a big mother fucker so I hope he put up a good fight. To think about what their last moments in life was is a hard thing to think about. I can only imagine what their family
Is going through. Lost two sons who went on a surf trip. Those people are animals

I hope you are right that they had a chance to fight. But from first hand experience when 6-8 guys with guns to your head there isn't much fight

 

[fat rat]

I was considering a road trip to Baja winter 2025, this deal is a game changer. I’ll stick in my borders!

 

[Long Way Home]

Bodies found in Mexico where Australian, US tourists went missing​

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/amer...exico-american-australian-intl-hnk/index.html ​

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Bodies found in Mexico after 3 surfers go missing

CNN —
Three bodies were found Friday in the Mexican region where an American and two Australians have been missing for several days, multiple sources told CNN.
Authorities haven’t confirmed if the bodies correspond to the three missing tourists, a source said. But a local police source told CNN that authorities have found their pickup truck, burned out, about 40 miles (65 kilometers) from where the bodies were found.
The human remains were found on a cliff to the south of Ensenada municipality, Baja California, according to two security sources and a member of an activist group specialized in searching for missing people.
American Jack Carter Rhoad and Australian brothers Jake and Callum Robinson were reported missing on April 29, according to Reuters, citing the Baja California prosecutor’s office.
The three friends are believed to have been on a surfing and camping trip near Ensenada town, about 60 miles south of Tijuana.

This picture shows Callum (far right) and Jake Robinson (far left) with their family.
Callum Robinson/Instagram
Mexican officials previously said a vehicle, tents, and a cell phone had been found during searches of the area where the men were last seen. Three Mexican nationals were being questioned in connection with the case, though it is unclear if they are suspects.
One of the sources said the area where the bodies were found — about 50 miles south of Ensenada town — is difficult to access and that rappelling equipment will be used to recover the bodies.
The burned-out white pickup truck had been discovered at a ranch in Santo Tomas, a local police source told CNNE on Friday.
Despite the lack of identifiable markings, which were burned off, the vehicle was confirmed to be the same one Callum Robinson posted an image of on Instagram a week ago, according to police sources working on the investigation.
Around noon on Friday, a CNNE producer witnessed investigators removing the truck at the Santo Tomas ranch. Investigators took the car to a police station for further investigation, CNNE witnessed.
A US State Department spokesman told CNN it is aware of reports of the located bodies and is closely monitoring the situation, adding: “At this time we have no further comment.”
The family of Jake and Callum Robinson were on their way to Mexico, hoping to get “as close as possible to the area where they were last seen,” they said in a statement to Channel Nine News, a CNN affiliate.
The Robinsons said: “Callum and Jake are beautiful human beings. We love them so much, and this breaks our hearts.”
Channel Seven, also a CNN affiliate, reported that the siblings had attended the Coachella music festival a week before crossing into Mexico from San Diego, planning “to surf for a few days,” citing another statement from the family.
“Surfing is a passion they both share. Our only comfort right now is that they were together doing something they passionately love,” the parents said in a statement to Channel Seven.

 

[rivrrts429]

I know the area they were in.

@HubbaHubbaLife might be familiar as well.

There’s a lighthouse down there that used to be popular to visit along with the surf break but, nobody, including locals, venture down that way.

 

[HTTP404]

Word is they found the 3 bodies at the bottom of a well. There was also another body in the well that appears to have been there for a while.

 

[wzuber]

"6 Murders a day in TJ".... I challenge that data.

More than? Or less than?
Either way....that's a lot of dead people....
You'd think they would run out eventually.
Sad deal for those young men and their families & friends. RIP young bucks.

 

[cofooter]

I know the area they were in.

@HubbaHubbaLife might be familiar as well.

There’s a lighthouse down there that used to be popular to visit along with the surf break but, nobody, including locals, venture down that way.

Sketchy as hell in that area, there are posts on iOverlander of gringos getting robbed at gunpoint, just saw this on Facebook from a local.

"According to reports here they stumbled onto private property that was being used for drug operations. The original owner of the ranch was killed a few weeks earlier and the property was being run by the cartel. The cartel saw the campfire at night and killed them for interfering with their operations. They were tortured and had some of their teeth removed in a bid to hinder identification."

 

[cofooter]

More than? Or less than?
Either way....that's a lot of dead people....
You'd think they would run out eventually.
Sad deal for those young men and their families & friends. RIP young bucks.

In Tijuana, they are killing each other, killing tourists is a whole other level. RIP again.

 

[t&y]

Can we just go ahead and call Mexico a shithole now?

 

[wzuber]

Sketchy as hell in that area, there are posts on iOverlander of gringos getting robbed at gunpoint, just saw this on Facebook from a local.

"According to reports here they stumbled onto private property that was being used for drug operations. The original owner of the ranch was killed a few weeks earlier and the property was being run by the cartel. The cartel saw the campfire at night and killed them for interfering with their operations. They were tortured and had some of their teeth removed in a bid to hinder identification."

So much for the cartel not wanting this type of attention.....
I doubt anyone is going to "die" for their "mistake" here........
The animals are the cartel....and they"re proud of it. They know they're untouchable.
Un-imaginable hurt for their families and friends. RIP young bucks.

 

[rivrrts429]

Can we just go ahead and call Mexico a shithole now?

Just like Los Angeles but, yes, we can call it a shithole.

 

[Desert Whaler]

. . . I was thinking to myself, "why kill 3 surfers just being tourists"??? . . . then I realized how spracked-out on drugs these cartel scumbags most likely are/ were.
Just speculating . . . but I doubt this was some high-level hit job planned / orchestrated . . . . more likely they unfortunately crossed paths with some low-level dirtbag killers high on drugs . . . which makes the whole thing even more sad.

Unrelated . . . but years ago on a surf trip, we got stopped at that checkpoint outside of Mazatlan.
The one with the below- ground bays where they look under your car, and with the dudes in black fatigues & automatic rifles . . .
I remember what stood out to me the most was how young some of these 'kids' were all blacked-out & loaded for war . . . I mean they were in their teens . . . and the older guys were in their late 20's /early 30's.

I can only imagine how messed-up and terrible the cartel members must be . . . . so sad.

 

[77charger]

Some will still say mex is safe til it’s not. IMO if you can’t travel at night and have to stay out of certain areas it ain’t safe.

The old days it was safer no doubt as long as you minded your own business. If you wanted trouble you would find it. If you didn’t want trouble you were smart. Today trouble finds you whether looking for it or not.

This won’t be the last time this happens and won’t be the last some days it’s safe there. Fuck Mexico I’ll stay this side of border.

 

[Englewood]

I’ve ridden UTV’s right through this area. With the big UTV shootout, and now this, I think my days in Northern Baja are done.

 

[sml]

Some will still say mex is safe til it’s not. IMO if you can’t travel at night and have to stay out of certain areas it ain’t safe.

The old days it was safer no doubt as long as you minded your own business. If you wanted trouble you would find it. If you didn’t want trouble you were smart. Today trouble finds you whether looking for it or not.

This won’t be the last time this happens and won’t be the last some days it’s safe there. Fuck Mexico I’ll stay this side of border.

replace “mex” and “mexico” in your comment with names of certain parts of almost any city right here in the US! There are parts of the city i live in that some of us won’t go in to after 1pm

 

[77charger]

replace “mex” and “mexico” in your comment with names of certain parts of almost any city right here in the US! There are parts of the city i live in that some of us won’t go in to after 1pm

Atleast around here I can be armed and feel a little better. Down there you get zero help from anyone. Atleast here you can drive across the desert to the river and be safe down there driving across a desert is a risk

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I know the area they were in.

@HubbaHubbaLife might be familiar as well.

There’s a lighthouse down there that used to be popular to visit along with the surf break but, nobody, including locals, venture down that way.

50 miles south of Ensenada is still out of my range... but will get by there on way to San Quintin I think.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

More than? Or less than?
Either way....that's a lot of dead people....
You'd think they would run out eventually.
Sad deal for those young men and their families & friends. RIP young bucks.

Im on a TJ Crime feed and don't hear about that high a number. Thats a small town. most of these hits have to be cartel approved and have cause... when dudes roll out of command they pay with lives. My gut is these surfer guys murderers did this on their own and Cartel makes those types pay cause very bad for business.

 

[Angler]

Sad to hear. My last trip to Cabo was over 10 years ago.
Never heading back back.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Talked with a friend in Guadalajara last night. Said the news is claiming they were being robbed of their vehicle and fought back. Just passing along

 

[cofooter]

Talked with a friend in Guadalajara last night. Said the news is claiming they were being robbed of their vehicle and fought back. Just passing along

Of course, they will say anything to avoid implicating the cartel. Everyone is afraid of them including the police. And it's bad for tourism. That's what makes this so fucked up......

 

[mesquito_creek]

Talked with a friend in Guadalajara last night. Said the news is claiming they were being robbed of their vehicle and fought back. Just passing along

Mexican attorney general is finishing up the report and calling it a car jacking that went bad when resisted. All three suspects in custody. All three suspects in possession of meth and had one of the victims cell phone.

In my opinion, car jacking is what insurance is for. Even in the states and even if I was carrying… the red tape for shooting someone trying to steal you car would be 10x the cost and hassle of getting a ride home and a check from the insurance company.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Talked with a friend in Guadalajara last night. Said the news is claiming they were being robbed of their vehicle and fought back. Just passing along

I could see that

 

[monkeyswrench]

Of course, they will say anything to avoid implicating the cartel. Everyone is afraid of them including the police. And it's bad for tourism. That's what makes this so fucked up......

Not very long ago, one of the police departments, in the area where this occurred, was essentially relieved of their duties. Their feds came in and removed all their weapons and hauled a few people off.

Banners are always posted by some cartel saying another is bribing officials. One area is "owned" by one, and fought over. It's sad because innocent people get caught in the crossfire, or are seen as a threat.

 

[Romans9]

In my opinion, car jacking is what insurance is for. Even in the states and even if I was carrying… the red tape for shooting someone trying to steal you car would be 10x the cost and hassle of getting a ride home and a check from the insurance company.

It is very difficult to try and come up with a one size fits all solution however if everyone took the opinion that this is what insurance is for I’m sure you can imagine what comes next.

This kind of reminds me of the fat black bitch that was interviewed during the BLM riots while several businesses were burning in the background and the reporter asked her about it. She said ”they have insurance”.
Now every other business gets to share in paying for that in their premiums while the lawless BLM rats continue taking our culture farther down the toilet and everyone sits around waiting for “someone” to do “something”.

Everyone eventually looses with this mindset.

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” John Stuart Mill

”Lawlessness begets Lawlessness”

 

[mesquito_creek]

It is very difficult to try and come up with a one size fits all solution however if everyone took the opinion that this is what insurance is for I’m sure you can imagine what comes next.

This kind of reminds me of the fat black bitch that was interviewed during the BLM riots while several businesses were burning in the background and the reporter asked her about it. She said ”they have insurance”.
Now every other business gets to share in paying for that in their premiums while the lawless BLM rats continue taking our culture farther down the toilet and everyone sits around waiting for “someone” to do “something”.

Everyone eventually looses with this mindset.

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” John Stuart Mill

”Lawlessness begets Lawlessness”

I rarely carry anymore because I don’t train and practice as much as is required to be proficient…. The CCW training I had years ago would say take advantage of every out before engaging and “live to fight another day”. I will save my wife lifes with retreat before I fight 3 armed crack heads. I am old enough that any young person can kick my ass.

 

[Romans9]

I rarely carry anymore because I don’t train and practice as much as is required to be proficient…. The CCW training I had years ago would say take advantage of every out before engaging and “live to fight another day”. I will save my wife lifes with retreat before I fight 3 armed crack heads. I am old enough that any young person can kick my ass.

There is much wisdom in this post and it backs up the idea that there is not a one size fits all solution.

You are obviously an intelligent and humble man.

 

[monkeyswrench]

As said, there is no fits all solution. The two brothers that lost their lives appeared to be pretty big guys. In my youth, I don't think I ever backed down. 20 years ago, I don't believe I would have even with the threat of death. Times were different then...and I was different then as well. I don't think anyone can really say with certainty what they would or wouldn't do in such a situation. I think, as a whole, that is a good thing. It means majority of people have no experience in such, and it is not very common.

Being the type I am, I hope the victims drew some blood as well. If there is a certainty of your own demise, I'd hope I'd be able to at least inflict some pain on my killer. That said, as pointed out above, I too have no idea what would actually occur in such circumstances.

I hope the trip, and the waves were good for them. A horrible ending, but I hope they enjoyed it before they met those others

 

[charred1]

I know the area they were in.

@HubbaHubbaLife might be familiar as well.

There’s a lighthouse down there that used to be popular to visit along with the surf break but, nobody, including locals, venture down that way.

Are you referring to Punta San Jose Lighthouse area? I know the area well too. Still very popular amongst the surfers.

 

[DC-88]

Are you referring to Punta San Jose Lighthouse area? I know the area well too. Still very popular amongst the surfers.

We used to pay the ranchers a few bucks to camp there at Punta San Jose , burn cow paddies, and maybe catch a few more waves on the way back from 7 sisters, Scorpion Bay, Conejo, Mag Bay, Abreojos or wherever else we'd been . No desire to do that anymore with the wife in tow , or at all honestly. I would still do Baja to ride dirt bikes or off road with an organized group , or visit buddies at the East Cape by plane but that's about it.

 

[jetboatperformance]

Couldnt pay enough me to go to any third world country (or a US University Campus)

 

[charred1]

We used to pay the ranchers a few bucks to camp there at Punta San Jose , burn cow paddies, and maybe catch a few more waves on the way back from 7 sisters, Scorpion Bay, Conejo, Mag Bay, Abreojos or wherever else we'd been . No desire to do that anymore with the wife in tow , or at all honestly. I would still do Baja to ride dirt bikes or off road with an organized group , or visit buddies at the East Cape by plane but that's about it.

Yes, I agree…I don’t take my wife to Baja much anymore. If anything, we go in a very large group down to Valle de Guadalupe, but that’s it. I have a buddy that has a place in Punta San Jose. We usually stop in when we do our rides from Tecate to Old Mill in San Quintin.

 

[monkeyswrench]

A decent write up from Borderland Beat. Even they seem to imply the killers may have acted on their own, but at least one is somehow tied or a dealer for cartels. BB isn't known for their tactful reporting, not by American standards. This article may be one of the better I've read, and they did good bringing a light to the victims. It really seems like all three were really good people.

Three Surfers Camping in Baja California Were Executed, Mexico Claims Case is Atypical, Denies Cartels Were Involved

"HEARST" for Borderland Beat Three surfers - two from Australia and one from the US - went on a road trip from San Diego into Mexico, planni...

www.borderlandbeat.com

 

[DILLIGAF]

A decent write up from Borderland Beat. Even they seem to imply the killers may have acted on their own, but at least one is somehow tied or a dealer for cartels. BB isn't known for their tactful reporting, not by American standards. This article may be one of the better I've read, and they did good bringing a light to the victims. It really seems like all three were really good people.

Three Surfers Camping in Baja California Were Executed, Mexico Claims Case is Atypical, Denies Cartels Were Involved

"HEARST" for Borderland Beat Three surfers - two from Australia and one from the US - went on a road trip from San Diego into Mexico, planni...

www.borderlandbeat.com

Lots of info in there. Tx for posting it up

RIP to the victims. They seemed to be quality people and low lifes snuffed out a lot of good.

 

[Romans9]

A decent write up from Borderland Beat. Even they seem to imply the killers may have acted on their own, but at least one is somehow tied or a dealer for cartels. BB isn't known for their tactful reporting, not by American standards. This article may be one of the better I've read, and they did good bringing a light to the victims. It really seems like all three were really good people.

Three Surfers Camping in Baja California Were Executed, Mexico Claims Case is Atypical, Denies Cartels Were Involved

"HEARST" for Borderland Beat Three surfers - two from Australia and one from the US - went on a road trip from San Diego into Mexico, planni...

www.borderlandbeat.com

Thanks for posting.

Sickening.

RIP…..

 

[rrrr]

A decent write up from Borderland Beat. Even they seem to imply the killers may have acted on their own, but at least one is somehow tied or a dealer for cartels. BB isn't known for their tactful reporting, not by American standards. This article may be one of the better I've read, and they did good bringing a light to the victims. It really seems like all three were really good people.

Three Surfers Camping in Baja California Were Executed, Mexico Claims Case is Atypical, Denies Cartels Were Involved

"HEARST" for Borderland Beat Three surfers - two from Australia and one from the US - went on a road trip from San Diego into Mexico, planni...

www.borderlandbeat.com

Reading this magnifies the tragedy of these men's deaths. All three were accomplished individuals that had grabbed life and made their mark known.

Mexican president Andres Lopez Obrador is a total POS. Since being elected he has embraced the cartels and allowed them to conduct war at the expense of the Mexican citizens. This is a typical comment from him:

Despite this, the state Attorney General was insistent on May 4, 2024, that “they did not currently believe” the perpetrators had any link to cartel groups.

Her statements are reminiscent of statements made just one week earlier by the President of Mexico, Andres Lopez Obrador, who claimed that under his administration cartel groups are now “respectful” and “respect the citizenry”, going on to claim that “in this country, attacks generally occur between cartel groups [and not uninvolved civilians].”

The families of these young men have been handed a cruel life sentence. My heart goes out to them.

 

[Willie B]

A decent write up from Borderland Beat. Even they seem to imply the killers may have acted on their own, but at least one is somehow tied or a dealer for cartels. BB isn't known for their tactful reporting, not by American standards. This article may be one of the better I've read, and they did good bringing a light to the victims. It really seems like all three were really good people.

Three Surfers Camping in Baja California Were Executed, Mexico Claims Case is Atypical, Denies Cartels Were Involved

"HEARST" for Borderland Beat Three surfers - two from Australia and one from the US - went on a road trip from San Diego into Mexico, planni...

www.borderlandbeat.com

… That article was very well thought out and very well written… And shows that these three people lost their lives in a very horrible way…

… The main discrepancy that I found was the fact that methamphetamine is a highly addictive drug and pretty much would not be used recreationally… Pretty much saying, it would only be used by addicts…I’m not too sure about that…

I came up in the rock ‘n’ roll business in the 60s… Meth /speed was used off and on… If a band had a gig… Yeah, there could be piles of white powder around… You just never knew if it was a meth or cocaine… Never really saw it used on a daily basis… Street level meth use could possibly be a different scenario…Dunno???

… These three guys losing their lives is just tragic on so many levels…

 

[Desert Whaler]

Reading this magnifies the tragedy of these men's deaths. All three were accomplished individuals that had grabbed life and made their mark known.

Mexican president Andres Lopez Obrador is a total POS. Since being elected he has embraced the cartels and allowed them to conduct war at the expense of the Mexican citizens. This is a typical comment from him:

Despite this, the state Attorney General was insistent on May 4, 2024, that “they did not currently believe” the perpetrators had any link to cartel groups.

Her statements are reminiscent of statements made just one week earlier by the President of Mexico, Andres Lopez Obrador, who claimed that under his administration cartel groups are now “respectful” and “respect the citizenry”, going on to claim that “in this country, attacks generally occur between cartel groups [and not uninvolved civilians].”

The families of these young men have been handed a cruel life sentence. My heart goes out to them.

Yeah . . . I'm glad you summarized it like that.
Really puts things into perspective.
I wouldn't give that shitbox country $.02 of my hard earned money just on principal alone.

 

[monkeyswrench]

… That article was very well thought out and very well written… And shows that these three people lost their lives in a very horrible way…

… The main discrepancy that I found was the fact that methamphetamine is a highly addictive drug and pretty much would not be used recreationally… Pretty much saying, it would only be used by addicts…I’m not too sure about that…

I came up in the rock ‘n’ roll business in the 60s… Meth /speed was used off and on… If a band had a gig… Yeah, there could be piles of white powder around… You just never knew if it was a meth or cocaine… Never really saw it used on a daily basis… Street level meth use could possibly be a different scenario…Dunno???

… These three guys losing their lives is just tragic on so many levels…

I don't know how common meth was, but it is a common thing. Fentanyl gets the headlines, but I think it's from the sudden deaths of people that society sees different. People who are thinking they'll just "try something once", and find out too late it was a bad choice. Meth is cheap to make, and easily marketed. It has a different outcome on society now. People are habitual users for years, and overdoses don't make the headlines. A long term druggie isn't as photogenic I guess. The damage done by sudden deaths is shocking, but seeing what the long term effects for families, property owners and first responders may dwarf that. In the end, both types die, but one leaves a trail of destruction first.

The past 6 months to a year had been a battleground in TJ. One of the cartels is pushing large quantities of meth. The other group is killing dealers of meth. They leave "narco mantas"...cardboard notes...saying these were killed because they were meth dealers. They all sell the same stuff, it's like a propaganda war. They want loyalty of the people, or scare them into submission. Meth seems to be used by all cartels. It's addictive, keeps shooters awake and has the ability to tweek their minds so the things they do don't feel real.

Back to the article I posted above. I read a lot of what that site posts. There's some very gorey stuff they post, so before I linked it, I looked it over pretty good. At least one posted here that they knew one of the victims. This place has reach, and possibly more know someone, or are somehow tied to them. I didn't want something graphic or in other ways offensive to reach those individuals. The article, I thought, gave the three men more than just names, ages and the description of "tourists". These three seemed to be great people, living life and doing good for others. After reading the article, I thought more people should have a better idea of their identities, and not just their demise.

 

[Willie B]

I don't know how common meth was, but it is a common thing. Fentanyl gets the headlines, but I think it's from the sudden deaths of people that society sees different. People who are thinking they'll just "try something once", and find out too late it was a bad choice. Meth is cheap to make, and easily marketed. It has a different outcome on society now. People are habitual users for years, and overdoses don't make the headlines. A long term druggie isn't as photogenic I guess. The damage done by sudden deaths is shocking, but seeing what the long term effects for families, property owners and first responders may dwarf that. In the end, both types die, but one leaves a trail of destruction first.

The past 6 months to a year had been a battleground in TJ. One of the cartels is pushing large quantities of meth. The other group is killing dealers of meth. They leave "narco mantas"...cardboard notes...saying these were killed because they were meth dealers. They all sell the same stuff, it's like a propaganda war. They want loyalty of the people, or scare them into submission. Meth seems to be used by all cartels. It's addictive, keeps shooters awake and has the ability to tweek their minds so the things they do don't feel real.

Back to the article I posted above. I read a lot of what that site posts. There's some very gorey stuff they post, so before I linked it, I looked it over pretty good. At least one posted here that they knew one of the victims. This place has reach, and possibly more know someone, or are somehow tied to them. I didn't want something graphic or in other ways offensive to reach those individuals. The article, I thought, gave the three men more than just names, ages and the description of "tourists". These three seemed to be great people, living life and doing good for others. After reading the article, I thought more people should have a better idea of their identities, and not just their demise.

… I fully understand everything you just said… And by the way, thanks for posting that article…
… Friend of mine who used to own a Toyota dealership called me two days ago or maybe yesterday… And said he had inside info of these murders… But he kept getting distracted because he had to run to the bathroom… So I don’t know if he had some sort of different information that what you posted in that article… He seems to be very well-connected… I don’t know if he got information from his buddy who flew him to Vegas in his buddies private jet… The other day…
…My friend, I know was not into meth… But he had been seriously into cocaine…hmmm???… It is possible that he thinks he never did meth… I should ask him if his nose ever burned.., I will try and pick his brain tomorrow…

… If I remember correctly, Manson had packed the Tate murderers noses with meth…or some sort of speed…So does meth get you beyond reality… I would say It very well could???

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I don't know how common meth was, but it is a common thing. Fentanyl gets the headlines, but I think it's from the sudden deaths of people that society sees different. People who are thinking they'll just "try something once", and find out too late it was a bad choice. Meth is cheap to make, and easily marketed. It has a different outcome on society now. People are habitual users for years, and overdoses don't make the headlines. A long term druggie isn't as photogenic I guess. The damage done by sudden deaths is shocking, but seeing what the long term effects for families, property owners and first responders may dwarf that. In the end, both types die, but one leaves a trail of destruction first.

The past 6 months to a year had been a battleground in TJ. One of the cartels is pushing large quantities of meth. The other group is killing dealers of meth. They leave "narco mantas"...cardboard notes...saying these were killed because they were meth dealers. They all sell the same stuff, it's like a propaganda war. They want loyalty of the people, or scare them into submission. Meth seems to be used by all cartels. It's addictive, keeps shooters awake and has the ability to tweek their minds so the things they do don't feel real.

Back to the article I posted above. I read a lot of what that site posts. There's some very gorey stuff they post, so before I linked it, I looked it over pretty good. At least one posted here that they knew one of the victims. This place has reach, and possibly more know someone, or are somehow tied to them. I didn't want something graphic or in other ways offensive to reach those individuals. The article, I thought, gave the three men more than just names, ages and the description of "tourists". These three seemed to be great people, living life and doing good for others. After reading the article, I thought more people should have a better idea of their identities, and not just their demise.

Well written.

 

[Englewood]

Sinaloa Cartel Says They Handed Callum Robinson Killers Over to the Cops

American surfer Jack Carter Rhoad and Australians Callum and Jake Robinson had tried to de-escalate a confrontation with robbers over their truck, according to state investigators.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Dunerking]

Just got out here to Atlanta and one of my buddies I’m working with was very good friend with Carter and the brothers and has been really hit hard by this tragedy. It’s terrible that you can’t feel/be safe traveling enjoying life. Prayers to all involved.

 

[rivermobster]

Sinaloa Cartel Says They Handed Callum Robinson Killers Over to the Cops

American surfer Jack Carter Rhoad and Australians Callum and Jake Robinson had tried to de-escalate a confrontation with robbers over their truck, according to state investigators.

www.thedailybeast.com

I feel so much better knowing it wasn't the Cartel.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I feel so much better knowing it wasn't the Cartel.

Cartel trying to play the good guy in their PR campaign. One or two of the killers were found with drugs, so pretty sure their hands are still dirty to some extent.

 

[cofooter]

I feel so much better knowing it wasn't the Cartel.

Not sure what is worse........