Some people missing in Baja

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Sinaloa Cartel Says They Handed Callum Robinson Killers Over to the Cops

American surfer Jack Carter Rhoad and Australians Callum and Jake Robinson had tried to de-escalate a confrontation with robbers over their truck, according to state investigators.

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This as I am learning about how our local Sinaloa cartel operates sounds about right. The killings have to be approved much like the original organized crime structure in our US mob. When outside actors take action and kill someone there is retribution. I have a local seafood market/ village just 5 minutes south of me in Rosarito. It is a known cartel hangout and locals advise against going after dark. Its an awesome seaside tent village with structures directly on sand as pangas come back from catching fish, oysters, clams etc.... I go in mornings as they unload and also have meals in a cool funky restaurant over the ocean. But there was one time .... I had my Mexican Consigliere' with me after having some beers and buying seafood. Theres a dirt road maybe a quarter mile that takes you back to asphalt road home.... a car stopped in front of us and driver jumped out and proceeded to yank a chick out of backseat and started wailing on her... she was giving it back too landing some shots. I was right behind them stopped in middle of that dirt road... I looked over at my buddy as if to say, "We gonna get in this right?" He looked at me and said "No bro, we don't know who he might be connected to..." So on we went after gal started walking and guy got back in and drove off. Learning Learning Learning.

 

[monkeyswrench]

This as I am learning about how our local Sinaloa cartel operates sounds about right. The killings have to be approved much like the original organized crime structure in our US mob. When outside actors take action and kill someone there is retribution. I have a local seafood market/ village just 5 minutes south of me in Rosarito. It is a known cartel hangout and locals advise against going after dark. Its an awesome seaside tent village with structures directly on sand as pangas come back from catching fish, oysters, clams etc.... I go in mornings as they unload and also have meals in a cool funky restaurant over the ocean. But there was one time .... I had my Mexican Consigliere' with me after having some beers and buying seafood. Theres a dirt road maybe a quarter mile that takes you back to asphalt road home.... a car stopped in front of us and driver jumped out and proceeded to yank a chick out of backseat and started wailing on her... she was giving it back too landing some shots. I was right behind them stopped in middle of that dirt road... I looked over at my buddy as if to say, "We gonna get in this right?" He looked at me and said "No bro, we don't know who he might be connected to..." So on we went after gal started walking and guy got back in and drove off. Learning Learning Learning.

Never understood that, the Mexican mob in LA used to be the same. Some killing was approved and such, but killing for "unapproved" reasons were dealt with by death. Seems a little counter intuitive...only kill if we say, if not we'll kill you...because we are allowed.

Killing is killing, I thought. If anyone knew where to find these killers though, it would be those in control of the area. They have people loyal to them by either payment or fear, in every shop and on every street corner. Old school surveillance, but eyes and ears everywhere. Not much happens they don't know about. As long as it doesn't effect or risk their business, they don't care much. They know about it though.

Someone like yourself, they knew when you got there, and probably know what your habits are. You pay the locals, the locals pay the plaza boss, and everything keeps going as it has. I don't know if it's much different that the east coast gangsters a hundred years ago. Violence to prove dominance, then business as usual. Everyone pays their "taxes".

 

[rivermobster]

Not sure what is worse........

One would "think" the cartells just war with each other.

If this truly was just some thieves being thieves, then you have to realize just how unsafe messico Really is.

 

[RichL]

Never understood that, the Mexican mob in LA used to be the same. Some killing was approved and such, but killing for "unapproved" reasons were dealt with by death. Seems a little counter intuitive...only kill if we say, if not we'll kill you...because we are allowed.

Killing is killing, I thought. If anyone knew where to find these killers though, it would be those in control of the area. They have people loyal to them by either payment or fear, in every shop and on every street corner. Old school surveillance, but eyes and ears everywhere. Not much happens they don't know about. As long as it doesn't effect or risk their business, they don't care much. They know about it though.

Someone like yourself, they knew when you got there, and probably know what your habits are. You pay the locals, the locals pay the plaza boss, and everything keeps going as it has. I don't know if it's much different that the east coast gangsters a hundred years ago. Violence to prove dominance, then business as usual. Everyone pays their "taxes".

I would assume this is some form of a sign of who is in control.

 

[rivrrts429]

One would "think" the cartells just war with each other.

If this truly was just some thieves being thieves, then you have to realize just how unsafe messico Really is.

Open your eyes to your own government and what’s going on within your own country and you’ll realize you’re not as safe as you think either.

If you feel the need to lock your doors at night it’s probably not safe lol

 

[rivermobster]

Open your eyes to your own government and what’s going on within your own country and you’ll realize you’re not as safe as you think either.

If you feel the need to lock your doors at night it’s probably not safe lol

Thanks for that Caption Obvious!

 

[wzuber]

I feel so much better knowing it wasn't the Cartel.

Interesting......the cartel trying to save face......and yet the "other" unknown body found at the bottom of the cliff/well etc. with 3 tourists was reported to be the owner of the ranch the cartel stole........ya, the new kinder and gentler cartel is so much better....fukin animals is all they are. They need to be obliterated from the face of this earth.

 

[FROGMAN524]

I don't know how common meth was, but it is a common thing. Fentanyl gets the headlines, but I think it's from the sudden deaths of people that society sees different. People who are thinking they'll just "try something once", and find out too late it was a bad choice. Meth is cheap to make, and easily marketed. It has a different outcome on society now. People are habitual users for years, and overdoses don't make the headlines. A long term druggie isn't as photogenic I guess. The damage done by sudden deaths is shocking, but seeing what the long term effects for families, property owners and first responders may dwarf that. In the end, both types die, but one leaves a trail of destruction first.

The past 6 months to a year had been a battleground in TJ. One of the cartels is pushing large quantities of meth. The other group is killing dealers of meth. They leave "narco mantas"...cardboard notes...saying these were killed because they were meth dealers. They all sell the same stuff, it's like a propaganda war. They want loyalty of the people, or scare them into submission. Meth seems to be used by all cartels. It's addictive, keeps shooters awake and has the ability to tweek their minds so the things they do don't feel real.

Back to the article I posted above. I read a lot of what that site posts. There's some very gorey stuff they post, so before I linked it, I looked it over pretty good. At least one posted here that they knew one of the victims. This place has reach, and possibly more know someone, or are somehow tied to them. I didn't want something graphic or in other ways offensive to reach those individuals. The article, I thought, gave the three men more than just names, ages and the description of "tourists". These three seemed to be great people, living life and doing good for others. After reading the article, I thought more people should have a better idea of their identities, and not just their demise.

My wife’s cousin played lacrosse at Stevenson University in Maryland with Callum Robinson. He’s totally disheartened by this senseless tragedy.

 

[rivergames]

If Cocaine and Fetenal was just sold out of shops like weed, then President Trump obtains the Tax $ to whack all Cartels and make Baja safe again!

 

[The Prisoner]

… That article was very well thought out and very well written… And shows that these three people lost their lives in a very horrible way…

… The main discrepancy that I found was the fact that methamphetamine is a highly addictive drug and pretty much would not be used recreationally… Pretty much saying, it would only be used by addicts…I’m not too sure about that…

I came up in the rock ‘n’ roll business in the 60s… Meth /speed was used off and on… If a band had a gig… Yeah, there could be piles of white powder around… You just never knew if it was a meth or cocaine… Never really saw it used on a daily basis… Street level meth use could possibly be a different scenario…Dunno???

… These three guys losing their lives is just tragic on so many levels…

Obviously not in this thread, but I would be interested in your music business stories if you were willing to share!

And that article is sad as hell. Those brothers were top notch people. A Quick Look on their instagram showed how much fun they had and how beautiful Australia is….would love to travel there…

 

[Backlash]

Yet, we'll send an INSANE amount of money halfway around the world to fight those problems..... but not address any of these types of issues that are right here, less than 200 miles away..... Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Never understood that, the Mexican mob in LA used to be the same. Some killing was approved and such, but killing for "unapproved" reasons were dealt with by death. Seems a little counter intuitive...only kill if we say, if not we'll kill you...because we are allowed.

Killing is killing, I thought. If anyone knew where to find these killers though, it would be those in control of the area. They have people loyal to them by either payment or fear, in every shop and on every street corner. Old school surveillance, but eyes and ears everywhere. Not much happens they don't know about. As long as it doesn't effect or risk their business, they don't care much. They know about it though.

Someone like yourself, they knew when you got there, and probably know what your habits are. You pay the locals, the locals pay the plaza boss, and everything keeps going as it has. I don't know if it's much different that the east coast gangsters a hundred years ago. Violence to prove dominance, then business as usual. Everyone pays their "taxes".

Yup. Though I would challenge that "They knew when I got there and watch habits..." statement. I too watch a lot of the Netflix cartel flicks and it is definitely the case that these Mexicans modeled their power structure after the US mobs of old. One night I was in a fancy cliffside restaurant called EnCanto and I was looking for my waiter and had lost my friend as she roamed this huge stone multi leveled restaurant ... I was standing by the kitchen just looking for them and all the sudden from a side kitchen door I hadn't noticed stood a dude .... kinda guy that has a military/ law/ enforcement/ bodyguard vibe... I looked at his shoes and yup, he was working. I'm a large & strong 6'5" and he was eyeing me just a bit so I sat in a close chair. [Big guy tip: always get low so you don't intimidate/ threaten security] He scanned this huge open aired room and I just watched him for a minute.... all the sudden through that kitchen walks about 4 high end Mexi chicas followed by some bad news fellas which I'm guessing were cartel hustlers. They all walked right in front of me and over to a huge table and sat. As I found my gal and walked out through the dirt parking lot we came across three brand new shiny Denali XLs kinda thrown in the middle of the lot like "Fuck you."

 

[Orange Juice]

This as I am learning about how our local Sinaloa cartel operates sounds about right. The killings have to be approved much like the original organized crime structure in our US mob. When outside actors take action and kill someone there is retribution. I have a local seafood market/ village just 5 minutes south of me in Rosarito. It is a known cartel hangout and locals advise against going after dark. It’s an awesome seaside tent village with structures directly on sand as pangas come back from catching fish, oysters, clams etc.... I go in mornings as they unload and also have meals in a cool funky restaurant over the ocean. But there was one time .... I had my Mexican Consigliere' with me after having some beers and buying seafood. Theres a dirt road maybe a quarter mile that takes you back to asphalt road home.... a car stopped in front of us and driver jumped out and proceeded to yank a chick out of backseat and started wailing on her... she was giving it back too landing some shots. I was right behind them stopped in middle of that dirt road... I looked over at my buddy as if to say, "We gonna get in this right?" He looked at me and said "No bro, we don't know who he might be connected to..." So on we went after gal started walking and guy got back in and drove off. Learning Learning Learning.

Around 1979 I went to Rocky Point, and would sail out in a Hobie Cat to the shrimp boats, while they were waiting for the tide to come in, and traded a carton of Cigarette’s for a cooler filled with large uncleaned shrimp On ice.
The next time I met them at the dock with 2 ice chests, a carton of ”Reds”, and a case of Budweiser's. At the time, they were the biggest shrimp I’d ever seen, And I assume I was getting the smaller ones.

I think retiring near a small fishing village would be interesting for a few year.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Interesting......the cartel trying to save face......and yet the "other" unknown body found at the bottom of the cliff/well etc. with 3 tourists was reported to be the owner of the ranch the cartel stole........ya, the new kinder and gentler cartel is so much better....fukin animals is all they are. They need to be obliterated from the face of this earth.

Im hoping Donalds got something in mind for them.

 

[wzuber]

Im hoping Donalds got something in mind for them.

Ya, me too. However, I'm not holding my Breath.

 

[Orange Juice]

“The men likely attempted to stop the theft of their pickup truck, so sparking the shooting, according to Baja California investigators.

“The tourists refused and tried to fight back, but the robbers were armed,” the investigator told the outlet.

“When the criminals took out their guns the three [tourists] tried to de-escalate things, but it was too late, they beat the three of them and then shot them in the head,” they added.

Both the victims’ tents and pickup truck, which was later found north of Ensenada, were burnt as the attackers allegedly attempted to destroy the evidence.

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[HubbaHubbaLife]

Around 1979 I went to Rocky Point, and would sail out in a Hobie Cat to the shrimp boats, while they were waiting for the tide to come in, and traded a carton of Cigarette’s for a cooler filled with large uncleaned shrimp On ice.
The next time I met them at the dock with 2 ice chests, a carton of ”Reds”, and a case of Budweiser's. At the time, they were the biggest shrimp I’d ever seen, And I assume I was getting the smaller ones.

I think retiring near a small fishing village would be interesting for a few year.

Yep but you can forget about ice.... never seen these markets use any down here... thats the first thing that freaks the US folks... fish oysters clams lobster all lying on wooden tables .... but hey, they're under tents so shaded.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Yup. Though I would challenge that "They knew when I got there and watch habits..." statement. I too watch a lot of the Netflix cartel flicks and it is definitely the case that these Mexicans modeled their power structure after the US mobs of old. One night I was in a fancy cliffside restaurant called EnCanto and I was looking for my waiter and had lost my friend as she roamed this huge stone multi leveled restaurant ... I was standing by the kitchen just looking for them and all the sudden from a side kitchen door I hadn't noticed stood a dude .... kinda guy that has a military/ law/ enforcement/ bodyguard vibe... I looked at his shoes and yup, he was working. I'm a large & strong 6'5" and he was eyeing me just a bit so I sat in a close chair. [Big guy tip: always get low so you don't intimidate/ threaten security] He scanned this huge open aired room and I just watched him for a minute.... all the sudden through that kitchen walks about 4 high end Mexi chicas followed by some bad news fellas which I'm guessing were cartel hustlers. They all walked right in front of me and over to a huge table and sat. As I found my gal and walked out through the dirt parking lot we came across three brand new shiny Denali XLs kinda thrown in the middle of the lot like "Fuck you."

15-20 years ago I'd crossed paths with the types you speak of. As best I can describe it "Border Ballers"...not the "Border Brothers" I knew from construction. The definitely knew "the lay of the land" when in their own towns, but we're quite different people north of the border when in the LA area. The guys I met were actually pretty well educated I'd guess, pretty good English and well mannered when in the states. Totally different people it would seem once home. At first, you'd wonder which part was the act. When you realized who they were connected with, you realized that the calm demeanor had to be an act...no way to justify it in your head otherwise.

I don't understand a lot of the culture. I'd think the biggest thing would be just be respectful around anyone not known to you. Crossing paths with those who intend to steal or harm you is getting harder to most anywhere sadly. The big players, shot callers, don't want to bother with "gringos". Nothing to gain. Disrespect them though, and it would be a bad day I'd assume.

My view looking in is a bit different than most. I don't watch a lot of current TV or narco stuff. Most of it is research spurred by a morbid curiosity. Pops was one of nine brothers, and the only one not to do prison time. I've lost cousins to gang violence, and family funerals and wakes looked like wanted posters. (There had also been the occasional shooting and stabbing at family events.) Add to this, the past couple years my daughter has been studying global security, and taken an interest in cartel activity. It's a crazy world we live in. I just prefer to read about it from the middle of nowhere.

 

[HTTP404]

My MIL is a gringo but had Mexican citizenship and lived south of Ensenada for 30 years. Being a local and knowing what is what can go a long way to keeping safe.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

15-20 years ago I'd crossed paths with the types you speak of. As best I can describe it "Border Ballers"...not the "Border Brothers" I knew from construction. The definitely knew "the lay of the land" when in their own towns, but we're quite different people north of the border when in the LA area. The guys I met were actually pretty well educated I'd guess, pretty good English and well mannered when in the states. Totally different people it would seem once home. At first, you'd wonder which part was the act. When you realized who they were connected with, you realized that the calm demeanor had to be an act...no way to justify it in your head otherwise.

I don't understand a lot of the culture. I'd think the biggest thing would be just be respectful around anyone not known to you. Crossing paths with those who intend to steal or harm you is getting harder to most anywhere sadly. The big players, shot callers, don't want to bother with "gringos". Nothing to gain. Disrespect them though, and it would be a bad day I'd assume.

My view looking in is a bit different than most. I don't watch a lot of current TV or narco stuff. Most of it is research spurred by a morbid curiosity. Pops was one of nine brothers, and the only one not to do prison time. I've lost cousins to gang violence, and family funerals and wakes looked like wanted posters. (There had also been the occasional shooting and stabbing at family events.) Add to this, the past couple years my daughter has been studying global security, and taken an interest in cartel activity. It's a crazy world we live in. I just prefer to read about it from the middle of nowhere.

Enjoyed that last paragraph. Sounds like some family you got hatched into eh.... so you've seen the gang lifestyle up close. I'm just witnessing it down here myself for first time .... mostly I get exposed to it through my downstairs neighbor/ consigliere.... he grew up rough in LA and all these buddies that he has from childhood come down and we party and their stories are amazing what these "Kids" went through in their young lives. All of em have death stories. Glad you made it!

 

[Mandelon]

I have lost two employees to drug trade issues in Tijuana. One guy a decade or more ago was dealing on the side apparently and a competitor whacked him on the street corner in a drive by shooting.

The latest was only a year or so ago. I'm told he accepted a job smuggling drugs across the border for a couple thousand bucks. Something went sideways and the mule he used got busted and the drugs got confiscated. He and his co-conspirator were both beaten to death and dumped on the side of the road in TJ.

Both of these were young guys who were lured by the promise of easy money.

 

[rivrrts429]

I have lost two employees to drug trade issues in Tijuana. One guy a decade or more ago was dealing on the side apparently and a competitor whacked him on the street corner in a drive by shooting.

The latest was only a year or so ago. I'm told he accepted a job smuggling drugs across the border for a couple thousand bucks. Something went sideways and the mule he used got busted and the drugs got confiscated. He and his co-conspirator were both beaten to death and dumped on the side of the road in TJ.

Both of these were young guys who were lured by the promise of easy money.

Getting in bed with the drug trade to any degree is like riding a motorcycle in Los Angeles as your daily.

It’s not if but when you go down. You just hope it’s survivable when you do.

 

[rrrr]

Around 1979 I went to Rocky Point, and would sail out in a Hobie Cat to the shrimp boats, while they were waiting for the tide to come in, and traded a carton of Cigarette’s for a cooler filled with large uncleaned shrimp On ice.
The next time I met them at the dock with 2 ice chests, a carton of ”Reds”, and a case of Budweiser's. At the time, they were the biggest shrimp I’d ever seen, And I assume I was getting the smaller ones.

I think retiring near a small fishing village would be interesting for a few year.

Around that same time I did that with a friend when we were fishing for king mackerel out of Freeport on the Gulf. We would pack half gallons of booze, Playboy magazines, and empty Igloo 48s in his Wellcraft deep vee and run out to the shrimp fleet about 40 miles offshore. The crews happily traded shrimp for our booty.

The kings were attracted to the bycatch dumped off the back of the shrimp boats, they ran at night and anchored during the day. We would make a run at a boat, turn next to the transom, and blast the throttle and prop a couple of times. That attracted the kings, and they are hard hitters. It was great fishing.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Had an interesting chat with Eddy my Consigliere tonight before he headed out with a lady for Pappas & Beer area fun. He's 42 and born in tough part of LA and has an interest in cartel behaviors and habits. He was a bail bondsman in prior career and did well he said but the catch and release stuff killed the biz. Anywho he said something fascinating about how these three surfers might've met their demise. He said those guys saw something they weren't supposed to see... they were just in wrong place at wrong time and cartel or whoever had to whack em. As I sat here processing that idea it started to perhaps add up.... could be.

 

[rmarion]

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[traquer]

I was wondering the other day, for someone going to Mexico, could they take one of these?

Even if they're illegal I'm assuming getting caught with it wouldn't be nearly as bad as a gun? Looks like a .45 so might be a good enough deterrent even if you don't have to shoot some scumbag in the face with pepper balls. I'd probably alternate pepper balls vs some custom-machined hard plastic or aluminum balls.

Anyone that goes to MX regularly might wanna dig around and ask a lawyer down there about it. If the guys down there had one of these each, shit might have went down differently against some robbers. Maybe not, who knows.

 

[beerrun]

I was wondering the other day, for someone going to Mexico, could they take one of these?

Even if they're illegal I'm assuming getting caught with it wouldn't be nearly as bad as a gun? Looks like a .45 so might be a good enough deterrent even if you don't have to shoot some scumbag in the face with pepper balls. I'd probably alternate pepper balls vs some custom-machined hard plastic or aluminum balls.

Anyone that goes to MX regularly might wanna dig around and ask a lawyer down there about it. If the guys down there had one of these each, shit might have went down differently against some robbers. Maybe not, who knows.



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I would say no

 

[rivrrts429]

I was wondering the other day, for someone going to Mexico, could they take one of these?

Even if they're illegal I'm assuming getting caught with it wouldn't be nearly as bad as a gun? Looks like a .45 so might be a good enough deterrent even if you don't have to shoot some scumbag in the face with pepper balls. I'd probably alternate pepper balls vs some custom-machined hard plastic or aluminum balls.

Anyone that goes to MX regularly might wanna dig around and ask a lawyer down there about it. If the guys down there had one of these each, shit might have went down differently against some robbers. Maybe not, who knows.



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I wouldn’t risk it. It doesn’t take much to have them pulling panels apart in your vehicle.

 

[mesquito_creek]

Basic gun training… you only draw a weapon at the point you will kill, so I can’t think of a reason to draw a fake weapon to fake someone the intent to kill? Just buy pepper spray…

 

[cofooter]

A lot of guys bring down flare guns. They say it's for their fishing boat and it's no problem with the National Guard at checkpoints. But it can put a world of hurt on a Bandido with or without a squirt bottle of high octane......