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What would have happened if the civilian was shot and it turned out he had a BB or paintball gun? Or if it was fake?

The narrative would be a complete 180 right now. It wouldn’t matter that he looked like he was a shooter and it “LOOKED” like a gun.

I want to be clear, I’m not condoning the security detail or SS waiting for a shot to be fired before neutralizing the threat.

But everyone is scared

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Well that’s why you don’t go to a political rally with any type of weapons or weapon-looking device.
If you want to play stupid games, you will win stupid prizes. Kind of like driving a beat up car through the main gate at a military installation, the outcome will be the same. No sane person does these kinds of things.
 

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Before we go full tin foil I wonder what rules they are under before the fire? Do they have to get the go ahead from higher ups? Or are they cleared to shoot anyone they consider a threat.

I’ve been through more than 50 secret service briefings as it relates to operational security and their procedures for the president and other dignitaries, and I can 100% confirm they’re clear to engage and eliminate potential threats at their sole discretion.

I can also confirm they’re some bad ass motherfuckers and they don’t fuck around.

The guys on Trumps detail *absolutely* love him, and while I don’t know the specifics as to this engagement, the thought of this being an “inside job” are absolutely fucking stupid.
 

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I think the shitty job by the security is going to make the investigation tough and will cause conspiracy theories to be more believable. They did do their job but from what footage is available, there are so many things that should've been done better. Not addressing a non leo or SS shooter setup on a rooftop and covering Trumps body as they walked him to the transport vehicle. When they got him on foot they left so many open spots for another kill shot and WTF was the one guy doing with his hand, making shade for him? They should've had physically large security performing that and shouldn't allowed Trump to expose himself or even given him the time to raise his arm and make a fist. Their job is to get him to safety regardless of what Trump wants. Trump wants to make fist and yell, that can happen when he's in a safe secure place. Being escorted off stage is not the place and that was wrong. He should've been hauled off, not escorted.
One thing I want to see is if there are any pictures of his ear that "got" grazed by a bullet right after the incident. He did grab his ear after the shots... could've had a blood packet and while security was covering his body they had time to clean his hand or placed the fake blood. Add the shitty work they did of not really "covering" him from more potential threats it does bring question if it was staged or is SS just that fucking terrible?
 

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Well that’s why you don’t go to a political rally with any type of weapons or weapon-looking device.
If you want to play stupid games, you will win stupid prizes. Kind of like driving a beat up car through the main gate at a military installation, the outcome will be the same. No sane person does these kinds of things.
You’re not wrong!

Unfortunately the media wouldn’t have portrayed it that way.

Everyone needs to remember this isn’t a level playing field. Common sense and accountability for your actions is frowned upon.
 

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They keep saying the shooter was 130yds from Trump, that's 390 feet

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I’ve been through more than 50 secret service briefings as it relates to operational security and their procedures for the president and other dignitaries, and I can 100% confirm they’re clear to engage and eliminate potential threats at their sole discretion.

I can also confirm they’re some bad ass motherfuckers and they don’t fuck around.

The guys on Trumps detail *absolutely* love him, and while I don’t know the specifics as to this engagement, the thought of this being an “inside job” are absolutely fucking stupid.
Can you elaborate on if the secondary rooftop cop with the police patch (I’m assuming he is not SS?) operates under the same policy as the SS guys during that event?
Honest question.

In other words when you guys are farmed out to an agency are you then operating solely under their guidelines, your departmental and State guidelines, or a combination of some kind?
 

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Can you elaborate on if the secondary rooftop cop with the police patch (I’m assuming he is not SS?) operates under the same policy as the SS guys during that event?
Honest question.

In other words when guys are farmed out to an agency are you then operating solely under their guidelines, your departmental and State guidelines, or a combination of some kind?
Great question
 

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Have you guys seen todays cnn clip where they are blaming trump for inciting further violence by saying “fight fight fight!”??

You can’t make this shit up.
Last night CNN was saying Trump interfered with SS protocol by asking for his shoes and raising his fist. I intentionally turned them on to see what they were reporting. It didn’t take long for MSNBC to report Trump had already taken to social media to “boast”.
 

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I’ve been through more than 50 secret service briefings as it relates to operational security and their procedures for the president and other dignitaries, and I can 100% confirm they’re clear to engage and eliminate potential threats at their sole discretion.

I can also confirm they’re some bad ass motherfuckers and they don’t fuck around.

The guys on Trumps detail *absolutely* love him, and while I don’t know the specifics as to this engagement, the thought of this being an “inside job” are absolutely fucking stupid.
Please explain why the two SS snipers were plainly on the shooter for minutes before he fired with civilians running around the building he was on screaming he's on the roof he has a weapon without engaging?
 

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Last night CNN was saying Trump interfered with SS protocol by asking for his shoes and raising his fist. I intentionally turned them on to see what they were reporting. It didn’t take long for MSNBC to report Trump had already taken to social media to “boast”.
They are the enemy of the Republic.
 

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Can you elaborate on if the secondary rooftop cop with the police patch (I’m assuming he is not SS?) operates under the same policy as the SS guys during that event?
Honest question.

In other words when you guys are farmed out to an agency are you then operating solely under their guidelines, your departmental and State guidelines, or a combination of some kind?

Both those guys are secret service snipers in my opinion. They’re kitted out identically, and from my dealings with them, it says secret service under police on the back patch.

When I’ve seen them working stationary events (rally’s and speeches) they will use locals for observation only and they won’t be behind the guns as a sniper.

When they travel in a motorcade (presidential) they employ the local SWAT teams (LAPD Metro in my case). But they tell guys like me that if something goes south, to engage if able, but to be mindful to also get the fuck out of the way (this is as it relates to the minigun in the SUV that travels in the convoy) because they’ll take us the fuck out with it if we’re near what they’re engaging.
 

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Why can’t it be the way that it went down? Why does it always have to be a conspiracy?
They tried to character assassinate him, they tried to financially assasinate him, they tried to legally assasinate him, this was the logical conclusion of all their prior failed actions.

Fuck the commies and their sympathizers 🖕🖕

ALL of Them
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they cant secure 3 or 4 buildings in that area ? look at the map how many buildings are there to take a clear shot ? looka like 3 or 4

somebody wanted this to go down and surprised it didnt happen sooner

powers to be are getting desperate. that debate debacle didnt help the situation you can only cheat so much
 

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Last night CNN was saying Trump interfered with SS protocol by asking for his shoes and raising his fist. I intentionally turned them on to see what they were reporting. It didn’t take long for MSNBC to report Trump had already taken to social media to “boast”.
So it would appear that all the soapbox sympathy speeches from the leftists politicos (the same ones who have called Trump the devil and literally called for his demise for 8+ years) is nothing more than window dressed virtue signaling.
No surprise.
 

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Both those guys are secret service snipers in my opinion. They’re kitted out identically, and from my dealings with them, it says secret service under police on the back patch.

When I’ve seen them working stationary events (rally’s and speeches) they will use locals for observation only and they won’t be behind the guns as a sniper.

When they travel in a motorcade (presidential) they employ the local SWAT teams (LAPD Metro in my case). But they tell guys like me that if something goes south, to engage if able, but to be mindful to also get the fuck out of the way (this is as it relates to the minigun in the SUV that travels in the convoy) because they’ll take us the fuck out with it if we’re near what they’re engaging.
Thanks!
 

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Both those guys are secret service snipers in my opinion. They’re kitted out identically, and from my dealings with them, it says secret service under police on the back patch.

When I’ve seen them working stationary events (rally’s and speeches) they will use locals for observation only and they won’t be behind the guns as a sniper.

When they travel in a motorcade (presidential) they employ the local SWAT teams (LAPD Metro in my case). But they tell guys like me that if something goes south, to engage if able, but to be mindful to also get the fuck out of the way (this is as it relates to the minigun in the SUV that travels in the convoy) because they’ll take us the fuck out with it if we’re near what they’re engaging.
Thank you for your input
 

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The mental health profession overwhelmingly has progressive politics . . .


Therapists seem to be overwhelmingly liberal.


In 2011, the psychologist Jonathon Haidt stunned a gathering of social psychologists at an SPSP conference in San Antonio by calling for a simple show of hands on political preferences during his address, and thereby empirically demonstrating the group’s overwhelming liberal bias. Eighty percent of the room self-identified as liberal, while only three lonely psychologists raised their hands as conservatives.


Your Surgeon Is Probably a Republican, Your Psychiatrist Probably a Democrat

John Hinckley Jr out roaming free living his best life right now comes to mind. What a joke, and the most obvious DEI hire in Trump's detail doesn't look like she could jump over a donut.....
 

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so SS greenlights to shoot LAPD or any other agency who gets in the way, but they wont drop a whack job climbing on rooftops with "rifle " looking object as people are yelling guy with gun 300 ft away from most important man on the planet?
 

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Watch that video a couple times.. it doesn’t look like either pulled the trigger.. the first guy looks like he’s surprised.. the guy in the background started backing down the roof? Wtf?

I don’t think either of those guys got the sniper.
I gotta find it but some reports say the ground guys that climbed up on the roof are who got him?

I agree both of the rooftop snipers appear to be startled and not firing.
 

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so SS greenlights to shoot LAPD or any other agency who gets in the way, but they wont drop a whack job climbing on rooftops with "rifle " looking object as people are yelling guy with gun 300 ft away ?
I read it as in an active event, if anyone is in the way of stopping the threat, they are at risk of loosing their life, even if they are LEO. Being in the way could be as simple as standing in the way. Active is the word here.
 

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I’ve been through more than 50 secret service briefings as it relates to operational security and their procedures for the president and other dignitaries, and I can 100% confirm they’re clear to engage and eliminate potential threats at their sole discretion.

I can also confirm they’re some bad ass motherfuckers and they don’t fuck around.

The guys on Trumps detail *absolutely* love him, and while I don’t know the specifics as to this engagement, the thought of this being an “inside job” are absolutely fucking stupid.
With your knowledge what is your thoughts on the sniper to the left popping his head up right before the first shot and then getting back behind the scope only to pull the gun back and off target?

That seems odd to me.
 

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Last night CNN was saying Trump interfered with SS protocol by asking for his shoes and raising his fist. I intentionally turned them on to see what they were reporting. It didn’t take long for MSNBC to report Trump had already taken to social media to “boast”.
DOJ will charge him with obstruction minutes before the convention…then perp walk him off the stage in handcuffs.
Bet it.
 

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It may be posted already on here. There's a statement from the daughter of the man killed. Firefighter. Shielded daughter. I'm hearing second hand, didn't find this myself on the internet
 

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Civilian with a firearm at a presidential rally, WTF could the protocol be other than take him out on sight?
Civilian, proned out, on a roof, 150 yards from the details protectee, facing the protectee, cheek welded to stock...WTFF!!!!!
Right
 

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I find the SS sniper team acted strangely at best. It seems the right thing to do (depending on what they actually saw) was to cap the guy with the rifle BEFORE he could use it😡. I can’t wait to hear the radio traffic from 4min before to 5 min after.
 

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LL is usually spot on with her info. Will be interesting to find out of this is true.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UNACCEPTABLE NEGLIGENCE:<br><br>🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨<br><br>It is now coming out that after Trump supporters warned police that a man with a rifle was on the roof at the Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania , a police officer CLIMBED A LADDER TO GET ON THE ROOF AND CAME FACE TO FACE WITH THE SHOOTER… <a href="https://t.co/PEE46v3MPH">pic.twitter.com/PEE46v3MPH</a></p>&mdash; Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) <a href=" ">July 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Do you think that when the SS detail was put together, do you think that they were given a “only choose people on this list” and that was a list that consisted of only a few qualified individuals and the rest were mediocre and DEI choices? Thus causing the inconsistencies from proper protocol?
 

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LL is usually spot on with her info. Will be interesting to find out of this is true.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UNACCEPTABLE NEGLIGENCE:<br><br>🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨<br><br>It is now coming out that after Trump supporters warned police that a man with a rifle was on the roof at the Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania , a police officer CLIMBED A LADDER TO GET ON THE ROOF AND CAME FACE TO FACE WITH THE SHOOTER… <a href="https://t.co/PEE46v3MPH">pic.twitter.com/PEE46v3MPH</a></p>&mdash; Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) <a href=" ">July 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
If that's true, they are pansies and will have to relocate their lives. I'm not a cop, SS or in charge of securing anything, but if I'm armed, and you point a rifle at me, one of us isn't making it out, so best shoot me.
 

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To be honest I figured the liberals would have tried this shit sooner. They’re in panic mode after that debate. Even cnn wants Biden gone. With that said. TRUMP IS A FUCKING GANGSTER. takes bullet fist pumped and didn’t even rush getting in the suv. What a savage. TRUMP 2024 take this bitch back!

Absolutely asinine he was able to get that close. Trump is so f’ing lucky that guy couldn’t shoot for

I’ve been through more than 50 secret service briefings as it relates to operational security and their procedures for the president and other dignitaries, and I can 100% confirm they’re clear to engage and eliminate potential threats at their sole discretion.

I can also confirm they’re some bad ass motherfuckers and they don’t fuck around.

The guys on Trumps detail *absolutely* love him, and while I don’t know the specifics as to this engagement, the thought of this being an “inside job” are absolutely fucking stupid.
Flybywire
On your last paragraph
You don’t know that 100%

So I have to disagree
Anything is possible.
 
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