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It seems to me they had the guy made but their rules of engagement probably limited them engaging until he fired or proved he was a threat.

I would assume they had guys on foot working towards him as it sounds like they were on the roof pretty quick.

No doubt a miss on the part of SS and local police but I don’t think you can shoot everyone with a gun writhing 1000yds of a former president either. A fine line they fell on the wrong side of this time.
THIS. I guarantee you SS, Police etc.. are to shoot AFTER the first shot is fired.

The government doesn’t want another public relations nightmare of police killing an “innocent” person.

They cannot shoot first and ask questions later.
 
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THIS. I guarantee you SS, Police etc.. are to shoot AFTER the first shot is fired.

The government doesn’t want another relations nightmare of police killing an “innocent” person.

They cannot shoot first and ask questions later.
If someone is on a rooftop, bell tower, or grassy knoll with a rifle and a President, former President, is within range, I would say it’s 100% acceptable for security to take the shot.
 

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THIS. I guarantee you SS, Police etc.. are to shoot AFTER the first shot is fired.

The government doesn’t want another public relations nightmare of police killing an “innocent” person.

They cannot shoot first and ask questions later.
Even if this was the case and their new ROI, one round fired, one returned through snot locker...not several rounds down range, then respond.
 

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This video show they where told to kill the gunman after the he shoots trump.
A setup . The security teams is corrupted
The guy on the left hesitates and from other videos that aren’t cut off at precisely the right time show the guy on the right stay behind the scope the whole time. I’m thinking he took a he shot and the other guy screwed the pooch.

Before we go full tin foil I wonder what rules they are under before the fire? Do they have to get the go ahead from higher ups? Or are they cleared to shoot anyone they consider a threat.

Let’s gather all the info so we can point fingers in the right direction.

Imagine the blow back if the sniper shot someone they shouldn’t have. That could cost Trump the election. That’s why I’m curious if the sniper was being micromanaged.
 

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republican my ass, post this and cross post this, the rabbit hole runs deep my friends, stay frosty!
 

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Even if this was the case and their new ROI, one round fired, one returned through snot locker...not several rounds down range, then respond.
I’m not saying there wasn’t misses in security detail before or during the assasantion attempt.

I could see head of security telling them, if you pull the trigger you better be damn sure you aren’t just being trigger happy or you’ll be in big trouble.

I’d rather have my team neutralize the threat prior to the threat pulling the trigger. Not second guessing what to do because he might get in trouble if he’s wrong. Let them do their job and protect. Trust their instincts, they aren’t in a position to think for a few minutes. Otherwise it is too late.

Trump got lucky…
 

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The guy on the left hesitates and from other videos that aren’t cut off at precisely the right time show the guy on the right stay behind the scope the whole time. I’m thinking he took a he shot and the other guy screwed the pooch.

Before we go full tin foil I wonder what rules they are under before the fire? Do they have to get the go ahead from higher ups? Or are they cleared to shoot anyone they consider a threat.

Let’s gather all the info so we can point fingers in the right direction.

Imagine the blow back if the sniper shot someone they shouldn’t have. That could cost Trump the election. That’s why I’m curious if the sniper was being micromanaged.
Civilian with a firearm at a presidential rally, WTF could the protocol be other than take him out on sight?
Civilian, proned out, on a roof, 150 yards from the details protectee, facing the protectee, cheek welded to stock...WTFF!!!!!
 

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The guy on the left hesitates and from other videos that aren’t cut off at precisely the right time show the guy on the right stay behind the scope the whole time. I’m thinking he took a he shot and the other guy screwed the pooch.

Before we go full tin foil I wonder what rules they are under before the fire? Do they have to get the go ahead from higher ups? Or are they cleared to shoot anyone they consider a threat.

Let’s gather all the info so we can point fingers in the right direction.

Imagine the blow back if the sniper shot someone they shouldn’t have. That could cost Trump the election. That’s why I’m curious if the sniper was being micromanaged.

What if they thought it was another agency setting up a permitter? God forbid you shoot another cop setting up a position. That would be my guess as to why the hesitation. They probably thought no way a civilian gets within miles of that area carrying a firearm. It reminds me of Sept 11th where it was so easy for them to pull off that no one expected it. Either way, a sad day for this country.
 
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I'm wondering if his eminence would lone this to our guy for a few months, asking for a friend.

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His dads rifle
I'm an fair marksman started as a 12 YO , my favorite rifle will print consistent "dime" size groups at 100 yds (bench rested) , years ago I had a "livestock butcher" miss a close up kill shot and that steer ran to the furthest reaches of my one of my pastures (800 feet) I ran to the house and grabbed my 06' and climbed on the barn roof and foreheaded the animal to dispatch the botched shot , adrenalin pumping and stressfull yes , "lucky shot" not sure. Whats the point This "Kid" was awfull close sans a slightly moving target cant help but wonder more about his training ? Theres more to this !
 
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What if they thought it was another agency setting up a permitter? God forbid you shoot another cop setting up a position. That would be guess as to why the hesitation. They probably thought no way a civilian gets within miles of that area carrying a firearm. It reminds me of Sept 11th where it was so easy for them to pull off that no one expected it. Either way, a sad day for this country.
Through the optics they were using, they could have damn near read the serial number on the rifle. Making an ID on the weapon and gear would have given away some info. I assume shooter was posted up on the back side, so the SS couldn't see his shorts either.
 

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Civilian with a firearm at a presidential rally, WTF could the protocol be other than take him out on sight?
Civilian, proned out, on a roof, 150 yards from the details protectee, facing the protectee, cheek welded to stock...WTFF!!!!!
I’m not saying that’s right. I’m merely wondering what direction was given. Wouldn’t you agree that’s important information?

We all know errors were made. Where those errors lie won’t be figured out until we have all the info.

I’m with Hammer. The sniper should be cleared to do what they see fit. But I’m wise enough to realize that may not have been the case.
 

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I'm an fair marksman started as a 12 YO , my favorite rifle will print consistent "dime" size groups at 100 yds (bench rested) , years ago I had a "livestock butcher" miss a close up kill shot and that steer ran to the furthest reaches of my one of my pastures (800 feet) I ran to the house and grabbed my 06' and climbed on the barn roof and foreheaded the animal to dispatch the botched shot , adrenalin pumping and stressfull yes , lucky shot not sure whats the point This "Kid" was awfull close sans a slightly moving target cant help but wonder more about his training ?
according to the feds, he had zero formal military training, but lots of left-wing demonstration training and attended numerous riots

and both his parents are employed in the mental health field, including family counselling, and the weapon was purchased by his father, legally. wonder where they, his parents fit in on the political spectrum?
 

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What if they thought it was another agency setting up a permitter? God forbid you shoot another cop setting up a position. That would be guess as to why the hesitation. They probably thought no way a civilian gets within miles of that area carrying a firearm. It reminds me of Sept 11th where it was so easy for them to pull off that no one expected it. Either way, a sad day for this country.
That’s a great point that I haven’t even considered.
 

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I honestly have never noticed anti-snipers before.

Sure, I've seen cops on rooftops with rifles but I didn't realize their actual job was "anti-sniper".

What struck me hard in this case is they were both pointing in the same direction. Just how do they cover 360° when they're both looking the same way? I'm curious what they looked at for the previous 10 minutes... where were their eyes trained?

There has to be more people than those two with eyes on the perimeter. What was local PD doing??

If Trump hadn't turned his head to the chart about illegal immigration it would have been game over.
 

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I honestly have never noticed anti-snipers before.

Sure, I've seen cops on rooftops with rifles but I didn't realize their actual job was "anti-sniper".

What struck me hard in this case is they were both pointing in the same direction. Just how do they cover 360° when they're both looking the same way? I'm curious what they looked at for the previous 10 minutes... where were their eyes trained?

There has to be more people than those two with eyes on the perimeter. What was local PD doing??

If Trump hadn't turned his head to the chart about illegal immigration it would have been game over.
There is way more than 2 snipers. My buddy was setup in a hotel room and assigned an area of coverage for the last inauguration. He was out there a month before hand to observe.
 

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If republicans would drop abortion they’d pick up a lot of women’s votes.
If the dems drop the front runner, that changes the race as well.

I also have to wonder, how many "women" dem voters are not actual women? I wouldn't think a large number, but an odd thought. My daughter is a young voter, and is pro-choice. She also sees one topic as being separate from others. The good of the country is more than just one issue.
 

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both his parents are employed in the mental health field, including family counselling, and the weapon was purchased by his father, legally. wonder where they, his parents fit in on the political spectrum?

The mental health profession overwhelmingly has progressive politics . . .


Therapists seem to be overwhelmingly liberal.


In 2011, the psychologist Jonathon Haidt stunned a gathering of social psychologists at an SPSP conference in San Antonio by calling for a simple show of hands on political preferences during his address, and thereby empirically demonstrating the group’s overwhelming liberal bias. Eighty percent of the room self-identified as liberal, while only three lonely psychologists raised their hands as conservatives.


Your Surgeon Is Probably a Republican, Your Psychiatrist Probably a Democrat

 

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There is zero chance the rules of engagement have the counter snipers firing after the first shot. They may have not had a good shot, possibly couldn’t determine if he was a friendly, etc. but they aren’t shooting 2nd. My guess is they probably thought he was a friendly as he was extremely close and on a rooftop. It’s kind of like looking through binoculars for snipers and then being knifed by the guy standing next to you.
 

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If they had Crooks spotted, why did they wait for him to make a move, why wasn't anyone making a move toward him, why wasn't he being buzzed and distracted by a drone, why didn't they shoot to disable him, but not kill? It all looks like his security detail has been compromised - and who controls that? I'll give you 3 chances and your first two don't count. :mad:
 

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Unfortunately 90% of what is causing the divide is misinformation from the press and the political parties. We have freedom of speech and freedom of the press, but you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater. The misinformation about Trump and his policies is yelling fire. Until the press is held accountable for blatant misinformation it will be hard to mend this country.
MSM = 90% Liberal company ownership
 

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according to the feds, he had zero formal military training, but lots of left-wing demonstration training and attended numerous riots

and both his parents are employed in the mental health field, including family counselling, and the weapon was purchased by his father, legally. wonder where they, his parents fit in on the political spectrum?

Wonder when his parents are going to be arrested as accessories to murder, attempted murder and and attempted assignation?
 

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Civilian with a firearm at a presidential rally, WTF could the protocol be other than take him out on sight?
Civilian, proned out, on a roof, 150 yards from the details protectee, facing the protectee, cheek welded to stock...WTFF!!!!!
What would have happened if the civilian was shot and it turned out he had a BB or paintball gun? Or if it was fake?

The narrative would be a complete 180 right now. It wouldn’t matter that he looked like he was a shooter and it “LOOKED” like a gun.

I want to be clear, I’m not condoning the security detail or SS waiting for a shot to be fired before neutralizing the threat.


The guy on the left hesitates and from other videos that aren’t cut off at precisely the right time show the guy on the right stay behind the scope the whole time. I’m thinking he took a he shot and the other guy screwed the pooch.

Before we go full tin foil I wonder what rules they are under before the fire? Do they have to get the go ahead from higher ups? Or are they cleared to shoot anyone they consider a threat.

Let’s gather all the info so we can point fingers in the right direction.

Imagine the blow back if the sniper shot someone they shouldn’t have. That could cost Trump the election. That’s why I’m curious if the sniper was being micromanaged.
💯 well said
 
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