School me on GVWR and going over it

[CLdrinker]

You know a new F350 is at the end of the day just a rebadged F250 with different tow stickers, right?

These things blow the minds of the Towing Police.

You can build an F250 and with all the add-ons and “heavy duties” it’s essentially the same chassis, suspension, brakes etc as an F350, it just has a lower tow rating.

Only difference between 250 and 350 is the leaf spring package and if you get the Dana or Sterling axle.

You can order 1 ton with 3/4ton badges. But get BS payload lol

 

[X-rated]

Ram 2500 have coil springs and a modified 3-4 link in rear, 3500 have leaf springs.

 

[FCT]

I don’t have the answers but I know some dipshit was driving like a jackass on 395 through Adelanto. Passed me on a double yellow almost hitting a car head on, Cutting everyone off, weaving in and out of cars, full throttle at green lights to slamming on the brakes for the next red light all to end up right next to me a few lights later. He put the pedal to the floor when the light turned green and lost his whole camper right off his truck in the intersection. IT WAS AMAZINGLY AWESOME I laid on the air horn rolled my window down and cheered him on!

 

[Sharky]

My 2019 ram has this in the glove box with the manual…. Seems pretty straightforward. Truck campers have a CG marking on them somewhere

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GM is the same way.

Here is one for a 2014 GM. It's very similar to Dodge. https://www.gmfleetorderguide.com/NASApp/domestic/printbook?pdftype=camper&lang=1&year=2014

GM will also list on the RPO sticker if its rated for a camper.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Only difference between 250 and 350 is the leaf spring package and if you get the Dana or Sterling axle.

You can order 1 ton with 3/4ton badges. But get BS payload lol

Exactly

 

[Dr Rob]

My payload is 2760.
The super duty’s come with 3 different leaf packs
3 leafs most f250’s
4 leafs automatic on the 4:30 trucks ( maybe others?)
5 leaf f350 and f250 with camper package.

My truck has the 4 leaf if I got the camper package I would have 4,xxx payload.

My total axle capacity is 11,000 something truck is like 7800lbs.

My trailer has 3200lbs pin weight and I only need 25psi in my bags to sit level.

It’s just numbers the idiot behind the wheel makes a bigger difference.

My 2020 F350 has an 11900 pound GVW. It has 4188 pounds payload capacity. My empty weight is 7860 pounds.

 

[MeCasa16]

Maybe some of you didn’t see this. This guy has it all figured out.

 

[Your ad here]

GVWR is because of state rules... Every state has different rules... Sometimes having a higher GVRW is less desirable because it's more expensive to register but some states it doesn't matter. The trucks themselves can handle more than what they are rated for but it all comes back to the states rules and more important, MONEY.
Lets use California and my truck for example. I have a 2002 SRW F350 with a 9700lb GVWR. I put a service bed on it and at the time, 12 years ago, since the bed was less than 9' in length and the GVRW was less than 10,000 lbs I was exempt from having to declare weight and get weight stickers, motor carrier permit, CA numbers, and a 3/4 million dollar insurance policy. All that shit cost a lot of money and it's just a personal truck with a service bed. It cost $380 yearly registration and $2000 yearly insurance since the GVWR was less than 10,000. If it was 10,000 GVRW and over it would've been probably $1800 in registration fees and $6000 yearly insurance... for what is still a personal truck. This is why a lot of service trucks are F250's with like a 9,900 GVRW.
In Arizona my 2002 F250 is $20 a year to register. 3/4 ton classification with minimal fee's. The same 2002 F350 described above is $180 a year to register. 1 ton classification and I have to declare a max GCRW and some other fees but don't have to have special paperwork or sticker up the truck.
I know 99-04 Superdutys have differences between F250 and F350 SRW like 4wd F250's have Dana 50 front axle until 03 and all F350's have dana 60 front axle. For some reason the sterling 10.5 rear axle on F250 had like a 31 spline axle shafts and the same sterling 10.5 rear axle on the SRW F350 had like 35 spline axle shafts. Spring rates was another difference but everyone says V code fronts and B code rears rode the best. V code front and A code rears ride nice as well. Thing is, these little differences don't put the F350 into a different category than the F250. It's just a money grab by the states.

 

[CLdrinker]

I don’t have the answers but I know some dipshit was driving like a jackass on 395 through Adelanto. Passed me on a double yellow almost hitting a car head on, Cutting everyone off, weaving in and out of cars, full throttle at green lights to slamming on the brakes for the next red light all to end up right next to me a few lights later. He put the pedal to the floor when the light turned green and lost his whole camper right off his truck in the intersection. IT WAS AMAZINGLY AWESOME I laid on the air horn rolled my window down and cheered him on!

I was in a hurry

 

[Blackmagic94]

Between a three quarter truck and a one ton truck?

Years ago I did a write up for Sand Addiction. The only difference I could find was the differential gear ratio.

Kinna blew my mind at the time.

If you go F450, I think that's when everything changes.

Wrong. A long time ago I sold both rams and fords new


3500 ram had 7/8 cross beams on frame and the 2500 was 6. The brakes are bigger on the 1 ton as well. But yes the frame was stronger

 

[Happy Smitty]

True dat


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It's not a bad truck. It's bad owners. Obviously do no understand how to properly load thier F150.

 

[rivermobster]

Wrong. A long time ago I sold both rams and fords new


3500 ram had 7/8 cross beams on frame and the 2500 was 6. The brakes are bigger on the 1 ton as well. But yes the frame was stronger

I didn't look into Dodge. The Fords were exactly the same.

 

[NicPaus]

How about this set-up for overloaded?

Yes, that's a half ton 20 year old truck.

That trailer weighs 4400 lbs. Depends on the bobcat and attachment on it. If 5590 lbs or less he is good with a class C.

I have the same dump trailer hooked up to one of my trucks now. Ready for the morning. It has the lower sides on it. Friend used to own it and towed it with a 99 silverado half ton with 5.3 for years. No brake controller. That truck looks lowered not from the bobcat. It's best to load it backwards to increase the tongue weight making it easier to tow. I haul a skidsteer in it and forward makes it a little squirly with minimal tongue weight and unloading it backwards is sketchy. I have done it and always load it backwards since.

With trailer brakes I would roll that setup all day long easily.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

That trailer weighs 4400 lbs. Depends on the bobcat and attachment on it. If 5590 lbs or less he is good with a class C.

I have the same dump trailer hooked up to one of my trucks now. Ready for the morning. It has the lower sides on it. Friend used to own it and towed it with a 99 silverado half ton with 5.3 for years. No brake controller. That truck looks lowered not from the bobcat. It's best to load it backwards to increase the tongue weight making it easier to tow. I haul a skidsteer in it and forward makes it a little squirly with minimal tongue weight and unloading it backwards is sketchy. I have done it and always load it backwards since.

With trailer brakes I would roll that setup all day long easily.

That truck has a max tow rating of 8k (I had one. 69Hondo has it now). It is lowered, but it is on the bumps in the rear (couldn't get a profile shot) and there is a BUNCH of shit in that bed. Between trailer, load, and cargo he was easily pushing 12k combined plus the weight of the truck.

 

[NicPaus]

That truck has a max tow rating of 8k (I had one. 69Hondo has it now). It is lowered, but it is on the bumps in the rear (couldn't get a profile shot) and there is a BUNCH of shit in that bed. Between trailer, load, and cargo he was easily pushing 12k combined plus the weight of the truck.

Wonder if he has a brake controller. I was surprised how well that 99 truck did with it. He would load it up good. Before he bought the trailer he would use my other one. Same trailer just older i have 2. His brother is my insurance agent. I posted it before. His brother used it to gut his house. Put 7 tons of plaster in it and hauled it with his Tahoe no trailer brakes. It lifted it off the ground when he dumped. Said it pulled fine but took a city block to stop.

Same trailer you posted I know a few that got rolled by the weight cops. $8-12k tickets. Filling them up with dirt and concrete.

 

[petie6464]

Seems like some of the truck/campers stock are at or over GVWR per the manufacturers numbers. By the time you are loaded you're 1,000 lbs. over.

The latest one I looked at had the RV makers sticker indicating a new GVWR + 1,660 lbs over Fords just because they added springs to the F350. Doesn’t seem right. I thought a lot more goes into the manufacture GVWR like frame, brakes, handling etc….

Here's a description of how this works..

The role of GVWR and GCWR in specifying work trucks

 

[Bigbore500r]

Late to the party, I have 2 questions -

- Are the tow mirrors fully extended?

- Has @rivermobster brought up the attributes of the 7.3 powerstroke yet?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Late to the party, I have 2 questions -

- Are the tow mirrors fully extended?

- Has @rivermobster brought up the attributes of the 7.3 powerstroke yet?

“So much torque the chassis twisted off the line” - vin

 

[Cdog]

“So much torque the chassis twisted off the line” - vin


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"It's a feature" - Ford Guy

 

[GreenEnergy28]

All BS-ing aside, I have an RV with the F53 22k chassis. Tow rating on it is written up as 5k. I tow my 28' box trailer with the sand car and bikes inside with now issues. Like others have said, I take it easy, not trying to race anyone. I also tow my 28' boat with the RV and keep the same mentality.

If I remember right, my box trailer is around 5k empty. Buggy is 2550, and depending on how many bikes/gear I have with me, I probably have another 1k in there. Trailer is just over 1k of tongue weight.
I weighed the boat at the CAT scales last year and I was at 7k on the axles. I also weighed the tongue separately and was right at 1k.

My BIL hit the scales with his Super C and all aluminum stacker fully loaded and had a total weight just under 40k. Not sure what his rig is rated at, but I was surprised at what that thing tipped the scales at.

 

[mesquito_creek]

“So much torque the chassis twisted off the line” - vin


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That’s where the extra undocumented 6k lbs of towing comes from.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That’s where the extra undocumented 6k lbs of towing comes from.

Is “undocumented tow rating” the politically correct term? Or “Tow rating challenged?”

 

[mesquito_creek]

Is “undocumented tow rating” the politically correct term? Or “Tow rating challenged?”

Built in anti-sway bar technology… “I was towing a 15k toy hauler and couldn’t even tell it was back there!”

 

[Bigbore500r]

All BS-ing aside, I have an RV with the F53 22k chassis. Tow rating on it is written up as 5k. I tow my 28' box trailer with the sand car and bikes inside with now issues. Like others have said, I take it easy, not trying to race anyone. I also tow my 28' boat with the RV and keep the same mentality.

If I remember right, my box trailer is around 5k empty. Buggy is 2550, and depending on how many bikes/gear I have with me, I probably have another 1k in there. Trailer is just over 1k of tongue weight.
I weighed the boat at the CAT scales last year and I was at 7k on the axles. I also weighed the tongue separately and was right at 1k.

My BIL hit the scales with his Super C and all aluminum stacker fully loaded and had a total weight just under 40k. Not sure what his rig is rated at, but I was surprised at what that thing tipped the scales at.

I do the same exact setup. 2007 F53, 22k GVWR chassis, but my trailer is a 24' box. Buggy, bikes, 70 gallons of fuel, etc. Motorhome pulls it fantastic. I did put a massive hitch on it and a good brake controller.

Do you run weight distribution? I don't, as I wasn't sure how that would work given the long wheelbase of the motorhome and length of the overhang. I only run a sway control, which I don't think is needed but it came with the trailer and hitch so I keep it on as an extra benefit.

 

[Bigbore500r]

“So much torque the chassis twisted off the line” - vin

Solid front axle, but independantly adjustable frame rails. . .

 

[GreenEnergy28]

I do the same exact setup. 2007 F53, 22k GVWR chassis, but my trailer is a 24' box. Buggy, bikes, 70 gallons of fuel, etc. Motorhome pulls it fantastic. I did put a massive hitch on it and a good brake controller.

Do you run weight distribution? I don't, as I wasn't sure how that would work given the long wheelbase of the motorhome and length of the overhang. I only run a sway control, which I don't think is needed but it came with the trailer and hitch so I keep it on as an extra benefit.

I read a while back the weight distribution hitches are a no no for RV's??? I do not run one, never felt like it needs it. My coach honestly tracks down the lane better while towing the box trailer. The thing is a handful running without towing. Maybe because I run a little harder without the trailer lol. One day I will upgrade the track bar and add the steering damper. There are a ton of suspension upgrades available for the F53 chassis.

 

[CLdrinker]

I identify as a F450 officer. Please do not assume my GCWR.

 

[Dr Rob]

I identify as a F450 officer. Please do not assume my GCWR.

Back when I had my 01 f350 I replaced the f350 badges with f 550 badges. It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.
It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.

 

[CLdrinker]

Back when I had my 01 f350 I replaced the f350 badges with f 550 badges. It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.
It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.

But did you use rubbing alcohol to remove the black coating and make them chrome?

 

[Dr Rob]

But did you use rubbing alcohol to remove the black coating and make them chrome?

Of course.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Back when I had my 01 f350 I replaced the f350 badges with f 550 badges. It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.
It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.

It worked so well, it helped the handling twice!

 

[rivermobster]

Back when I had my 01 f350 I replaced the f350 badges with f 550 badges. It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.
It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.

Can you imagine what would have happened if you went with F150 badges???

 

[c_land]

I do the same exact setup. 2007 F53, 22k GVWR chassis, but my trailer is a 24' box. Buggy, bikes, 70 gallons of fuel, etc. Motorhome pulls it fantastic. I did put a massive hitch on it and a good brake controller.

Do you run weight distribution? I don't, as I wasn't sure how that would work given the long wheelbase of the motorhome and length of the overhang. I only run a sway control, which I don't think is needed but it came with the trailer and hitch so I keep it on as an extra benefit.

I read a while back the weight distribution hitches are a no no for RV's??? I do not run one, never felt like it needs it. My coach honestly tracks down the lane better while towing the box trailer. The thing is a handful running without towing. Maybe because I run a little harder without the trailer lol. One day I will upgrade the track bar and add the steering damper. There are a ton of suspension upgrades available for the F53 chassis.

Is chassis length/wheelbase the only reason the WD hitches don't really work on those RV's? Is it something to do with the frame extensions as well?
I was looking at my Class C receiver and it has big letters printed on it "DO NOT USE WEIGHT DISTRIBUTING HITCH"

 

[aka619er]

GVRW isn't a law outside of commercial operations and HWY limits, it's a recommendation from lawyers. Just like on a bottle of Tylenol. Numerous things add to a vehicles abilities. (Brakes, air bags, tires, shocks, driver)

 

[Dr Rob]

Can you imagine what would have happened if you went with F150 badges???

I would have never had to buy my Volvo tractor LOL.

 

[WYRD]

True dat


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Idiots are everywhere

 

[WYRD]

“So much torque the chassis twisted off the line” - vin


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"Articulating dump assist" - nice feature

 

[Dr Rob]

It worked so well, it helped the handling twice!

Well, I changed out both sides. So it doubled the handling.

 

[4Waters]

Late to the party, I have 2 questions -

- Are the tow mirrors fully extended?

- Has @rivermobster brought up the attributes of the 7.3 powerstroke yet?

7.3PSD nuff said

 

[Romans9]

Come on ladies, this thread is not paying off the way it should especially for what I pay for my subscription………..

Please I know there are those lurking with towing stories and he said she said blah blah blah…….

 

[rivermobster]

Come on ladies, this thread is not paying off the way it should especially for what I pay for my subscription………..

Please I know there are those lurking with towing stories and he said she said blah blah blah…….

Thankfully, this place in NOT the old gd.com, but there are one or two members that Will argue shit to death.

You'll figure out who they are soon enough, and put em on ignore, just like everyone else has.

 

[lbhsbz]

Wrong. A long time ago I sold both rams and fords new


3500 ram had 7/8 cross beams on frame and the 2500 was 6. The brakes are bigger on the 1 ton as well. But yes the frame was stronger

Actually, from about 2009 and forward...brakes are exactly the same on the 2500 and 3500 ram. The Dually gets different rears, but the SRW stuff is all the same.

 

[Orange Juice]

 

[2Driver]

Thankfully, this place in NOT the old gd.com, but there are one or two members that Will argue shit to death.

You'll figure out who they are soon enough, and put em on ignore, just like everyone else has.

Who should I Look Out For.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Who should I Look Out For.

People that can’t handle getting served what they dish out .

 

[rivermobster]

Actually, from about 2009 and forward...brakes are exactly the same on the 2500 and 3500 ram. The Dually gets different rears, but the SRW stuff is all the same.

I'm glad You said that and not me.

 

[motormonkey]

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I'm more impressed by the harbor frieght orange straps. I seem to break them allot. LOL

 

[petie6464]

GVRW isn't a law outside of commercial operations and HWY limits, it's a recommendation from lawyers. Just like on a bottle of Tylenol. Numerous things add to a vehicles abilities. (Brakes, air bags, tires, shocks, driver)

You're obviously not in trucking nor been through a scale house. .

 

[lbhsbz]

You're obviously not in trucking nor been through a scale house. .

That would be a commercial operation...he said "outside of commercial operations"

 

[outboard_256]

Back when I had my 01 f350 I replaced the f350 badges with f 550 badges. It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.
It was a very inexpensive upgrade and really helped the handling.

I am curious if it was a costly upgrade and did you notice any difference in handling?