Schiada vs. Hallett Vector

[Wheeler]

Both v-drives which boat handles better?

 

[Gelcoater]

Yes.

 

[toto]

Let's see the killers of each manufacturer as this is the long ole debate

 

[welldigger00]

There was a great interview a while back with schiadaStan about the vector. It was very cool and, if I remember correctly, I believe according to Stan, the vector has The same bottom as the 21 Rc, With some subtle changes made. I’d say you’d need Both boats to be identically rigged, with identical power, to make a fair assessment.

 

[Outdrive1]

Did Hallett build any V-drive Vectors in house? Or were they all blank hulls that someone else built? The GT boats are nice, anything Priime or Mike King built is pretty nice. In my mind though having a Schiada rigged by Stan and whoever is working there at the time, is pretty hard to beat. Stan knows what works and what doesn’t. Lee is the best at setting plates on his boats and picking props, not to say there aren’t other people that can do all that, but that’s why buying a Schiada built and set up by Schiada is worth all the money.

 

[AZLineman]

I love them both even though I have an RC. Way back I was always told the Schiada is better as a Vdrive and the Vector is better as an I/O hence, the reason you see a lot of old-school vector ski race rigs with Speedmasters. I don't know if this is true or not. Mike King would be the guy to comment. I've seen an all red vdrive Vector with white interior that i f in luv. I know Bergeron rigged up at least one vector years ago as a vdrive and there was a guy that worked at Nordic quite some time ago can't remember his name that rigged 2 vdrive Vectors. I only saw the blue one being worked on in person.

 

[HBCraig]

Let's ask this.
If both boats were built with identical power and setups what hull would you buy?

 

[River Dirt 2]

 

[welldigger00]

Let's ask this.
If both boats were built with identical power and setups what hull would you buy?

I love grip deck. I love the way it looks, I love the way it feels under my feet. I know that silly, but that’s a big deal to me. Not that I don’t love me some hockey sticks too, just not as much.

 

[sintax]

Both v-drives which boat handles better?


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So is this a battle for second place orrrr 3rd?

The GN class has taught us Rayson’s handle the the best

 

[Wheeler]

Let's see the killers of each manufacturer as this is the long ole debate

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[Wheeler]

So is this a battle for second place orrrr 3rd?

The GN class has taught us Rayson’s handle the the best

That would depend on your seating arrangement.

 

[hallett21]

Pretty sure a Vector is faster hp for hp but a Schiada will ride smoother in the snotty water.

Schiada is V bottom and a Vector is “delta” keel.

 

[Outdrive1]

So is this a battle for second place orrrr 3rd?

The GN class has taught us Rayson’s handle the the best

Raysons are pretty dominate right now, no denying that.

 

[ChrisV]

Might get banned but vector looks better imo.

 

[sintax]

Might get banned but vector looks better imo.

straight to jail

 

[River Dirt 2]

Still partial to this one

 

[Outdrive1]

Might get banned but vector looks better imo.

Ok Grad’s.

 

[Outdrive1]

Still partial to this one

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Such a pretty boat and so nicely rigged, Eye of the Tiger handles a lot better. I’m not a fan of the external rudder at all. Owning that one and Eye of the Tiger, there’s no comparison imo.

 

[obnoxious001]

Interesting debate, but you also need to consider boats are built for different purposes. Personally, I have driven a number of Schiadas, Halletts and even at least one 21' Rayson with big power, both turbo and blown. When I changed my Schiada from blown to turbo everyone wanted to know what the difference was. My honest answer was that both were running different levels of boost, so there was no direct comparison.

 

[obnoxious001]

Such a pretty boat and so nicely rigged, Eye of the Tiger handles a lot better. I’m not a fan of the external rudder at all. Owning that one and Eye of the Tiger, there’s no comparison imo.

Hmm, I drove a Schiada once at Lake Mead with external steering that amazed me.

 

[Outdrive1]

Hmm, I drove a Schiada once at Lake Mead with external steering that amazed me.

I guess we all have our individual experiences with all the different set ups.

 

[SKIA36]

Did Hallett build any V-drive Vectors in house? Or were they all blank hulls that someone else built? The GT boats are nice, anything Priime or Mike King built is pretty nice. In my mind though having a Schiada rigged by Stan and whoever is working there at the time, is pretty hard to beat. Stan knows what works and what doesn’t. Lee is the best at setting plates on his boats and picking props, not to say there aren’t other people that can do all that, but that’s why buying a Schiada built and set up by Schiada is worth all the money.

Mike King, Gary Teague, Steve Stenton, Bill Dunsmore have all built one off Schiadas that rival or exceed anything Lee/Stan have assembled. All of these guys custom build to the owners personal tastes.

 

[sintax]

Such a pretty boat and so nicely rigged, Eye of the Tiger handles a lot better. I’m not a fan of the external rudder at all. Owning that one and Eye of the Tiger, there’s no comparison imo.

thats funny, i was just gonna ask about how the external rudder performs on a v-bottom

I'm only mainly seen them on monster cats or hydros

 

[SKIA36]

I guess we all have our individual experiences with all the different set ups.

External rudders have their place, they work exceptionally well for 110+ RCs.

 

[sintax]

External rudders have their place, they work exceptionally well for 110+ RCs.

what are the benefits?

what handling characteristics are noticed? (I've only ever driven 2 RC's, and only one over 70ish)

 

[Outdrive1]

External rudders have their place, they work exceptionally well for 110+ RCs.

Sure and at slow or cruising speeds the steering feels unresponsive which can be unnerving.

 

[River Dirt 2]

Such a pretty boat and so nicely rigged, Eye of the Tiger handles a lot better. I’m not a fan of the external rudder at all. Owning that one and Eye of the Tiger, there’s no comparison imo.

Ok, both are my favorites (borrowed your pics)

 

[Outdrive1]

what are the benefits?

what handling characteristics are noticed? (I've only ever driven 2 RC's, and only one over 70ish)

Theoretically faster at high speed.

 

[obnoxious001]

Such a pretty boat and so nicely rigged, Eye of the Tiger handles a lot better. I’m not a fan of the external rudder at all. Owning that one and Eye of the Tiger, there’s no comparison imo.

Of course there were two of the Eye of Tiger boats.

 

[Outdrive1]

Of course there were two of the Eye of Tiger boats.

I heard the other one was the race boat, this one the back up. Lynch told me the race version was faster.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

@Melloyellovector

 

[hallett21]

Sure and at slow or cruising speeds the steering feels unresponsive which can be unnerving.

I’d think it would be the opposite since the pivot point is further back. Interesting.

 

[Outdrive1]

I’d think it would be the opposite since the pivot point is further back. Interesting.

The wash from the prop creates the leverage to turn. At idle those boats barely turn at all

 

[Melloyellovector]

I love em both, and rayson, and brummett.
I will say if all 4 matched rigging and power, schiada and brummett will bring the money on resell

 

[Wheeler]

Might get banned but vector looks better imo.

A simple flip of the coin will settle any debate on that subject.

 

[Wheeler]

 

[RiverDave]

Interesting debate, but you also need to consider boats are built for different purposes. Personally, I have driven a number of Schiadas, Halletts and even at least one 21' Rayson with big power, both turbo and blown. When I changed my Schiada from blown to turbo everyone wanted to know what the difference was. My honest answer was that both were running different levels of boost, so there was no direct comparison.

That’s a nice pc no offense to anyone answer.. but if you read between the lines the answer is there in the sentence “WHEN I CHANGED MY SCHIADA”.

RD

 

[hallett21]

That’s a nice pc no offense to anyone answer.. but if you read between the lines the answer is there in the sentence “WHEN I CHANGED MY SCHIADA”.

RD

Here we go!!!!! Lol

 

[obnoxious001]

That’s a nice pc no offense to anyone answer.. but if you read between the lines the answer is there in the sentence “WHEN I CHANGED MY SCHIADA”.

RD

Only due to my background with turbos, dating back to when I worked for Gale Banks.

 

[Melloyellovector]

That’s a nice pc no offense to anyone answer.. but if you read between the lines the answer is there in the sentence “WHEN I CHANGED MY SCHIADA”.

RD

But he now has a vector, lol

 

[RiverDave]

But he now has a vector, lol

We all go through hard times

 

[rivrrts429]

If a Brummett comes available I’ll sell a kidney for it. Actually I have a stash waiting. They’re amazingly built boats.

 

[hman442]

Mike King, Gary Teague, Steve Stenton, Bill Dunsmore have all built one off Schiadas that rival or exceed anything Lee/Stan have assembled. All of these guys custom build to the owners personal tastes.

I wish I had taste. I'd love to have one of those!

 

[Hammer]

Vectors typically have a lighter layup and take less power to go fast. Schiada will out perform it in rough water. Power to Power in good water. I think the Vector beats it. I’m talking realistic power. Say 600-1000 HP.

You get in some snotty water and the Schiada would walk away… I also think the Schiada Hull is a much stronger built boat.

 

[Taboma]

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Holy Plates

 

[AZLineman]

If a Brummett comes available I’ll sell a kidney for it. Actually I have a stash waiting. They’re amazingly built boats.

The Brummitt molds are here in Tucson. Im sure Eddie McPheeters will lay one up for you for the right price.

4 boats i wish like hell i would have grabbed way back when i had the chance

The Restless 527 Vector
The 31 Schiada (purple w/twin sbc's)
The Turquoise step bottom 24 i/o Schiada
The Brummitt 21 (bravo rig)

 

[River Dirt 2]

The Brummitt molds are here in Tucson. Im sure Eddie McPheeters will lay one up for you for the right price.

3 boats i wish like hell i would have grabbed way back when i had the chance

The Restless 527 Vector
The 31 Schiada (purple w/twin sbc's)
The Turquoise step bottom 24 i/o Schiada
The Brummitt 21 (bravo rig)

Just needs the right size stash, and patience!

 

[SBMech]

Just needs the right size stash, and patience!

Love your 66 Coronet 500 Hemi, & Vintage Schiada Day Cruiser in the background!

 

[AZLineman]

Just needs the right size stash, and patience!

Is there a Brummitt in that picture? All I see is a step deck with lots of potential

No really the hull looks great. Can't wait to see the deck.