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He’ll never believe it.
Not because he thinks it’s impossible, but because he’d have to agree with us…and he’d die before he’d ever do that.

So true and it’s now a budding bromance in the Bobby V camp.......... 😆 😆 😆 😆

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He’ll never believe it.
Not because he thinks it’s impossible, but because he’d have to agree with us…and he’d die before he’d ever do that.
Funny that they don’t see the giant hypocrisy. They champion for the gay community, yet are utterly aghast at even mentioning the America voted in a gay man.

And we’re the homophobes? It’s essentially the same behavior trait that feels the minority populations need “white” America to help them succeed. The soft bigotry of low expectations.

The left are the judgemental ones.
 

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The Michigan Bureau of Elections, a corrupt group that allowed the 2020 state election to be stolen by hundreds of ballot traffickers and tens of thousands of illegal ballots, disqualified the two leading Republican candidates for the upcoming gubernatorial election.

Former Detroit police Chief James Craig and billionaire businessman Perry Johnson were knocked out of the race today by the leftist election group. The Michigan Bureau of Elections claims they do not have enough legitimate signatures on their petitions to enter the race.


If this holds up, you should know exactly where we stand.

Tyranny is NOT defeated through the voting booth.
 

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Funny that they don’t see the giant hypocrisy. They champion for the gay community, yet are utterly aghast at even mentioning the America voted in a gay man.

And we’re the homophobes? It’s essentially the same behavior trait that feels the minority populations need “white” America to help them succeed. The soft bigotry of low expectations.

The left are the judgemental ones.
LOL

Some people will believe anything.

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Wonder where they land on last years shootout winner?
“If ya ain’t cheatin’ you ain’t racin.”
I think you guys may have missed my point. Cheating is subjective because we all hold ourselves to different standards and interpretations of rules. In our culture, I believe most people cheat in some way, every day. Cheat on paying taxes? I can think of multiple ways people do this and justify it for just as many reasons without a care in the world. To think the same mentality would not apply to election fraud is naive. I am being honest and saying we bent the spirit of the rules because the finite details missing left a void we found and exploited. It was cheating in my opinion, but much like registering a car in Arizona to beat out the California Smog inspection, we did it.

I believe the Democrats are more engaged in winning elections than the Republicans. Lately, Republicans like to cry over spilled milk, the Democrats seem to go back to the drawing board and find ways to win. Where is G Gordan Liddy when you need him? How about the folks from Tammany Hall? Vote early vote often? Republicans have settled into a grievance culture. Lose an election, cry, ask for money. Democrats have built an aggressive culture of activation. One needs to look no further than the Gay Marriage legalization strategy as a road map to influencing a national outcome. The legalization of weed seems to be following this same road map to a positive potential outcome. Dare I say, does Republican leadership really even want to win? Do they get more donations when they win or lose?

Honestly don't know or care who won the shootout last year, it serves no value to me, rich people's problems. About the same as a Trophy Truck race, the winner is quickly forgotten and of little consequence. My point is simply, we should not be surprised by election fraud, and ask what will Republicans do about it?

PS before you accuse me of being a Democrat, I have never voted for a democrat since 1988, but I dislike the duopoly and often vote third party. Like Regor says, they are both the same people in my experience.
 

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He's? Just jealous. He wanted to be a sammich, and all he got was a lick and and a broken promise.
 

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I think you guys may have missed my point. Cheating is subjective because we all hold ourselves to different standards and interpretations of rules. In our culture, I believe most people cheat in some way, every day. Cheat on paying taxes? I can think of multiple ways people do this and justify it for just as many reasons without a care in the world. To think the same mentality would not apply to election fraud is naive. I am being honest and saying we bent the spirit of the rules because the finite details missing left a void we found and exploited. It was cheating in my opinion, but much like registering a car in Arizona to beat out the California Smog inspection, we did it.

I believe the Democrats are more engaged in winning elections than the Republicans. Lately, Republicans like to cry over spilled milk, the Democrats seem to go back to the drawing board and find ways to win. Where is G Gordan Liddy when you need him? How about the folks from Tammany Hall? Vote early vote often? Republicans have settled into a grievance culture. Lose an election, cry, ask for money. Democrats have built an aggressive culture of activation. One needs to look no further than the Gay Marriage legalization strategy as a road map to influencing a national outcome. The legalization of weed seems to be following this same road map to a positive potential outcome. Dare I say, does Republican leadership really even want to win? Do they get more donations when they win or lose?

Honestly don't know or care who won the shootout last year, it serves no value to me, rich people's problems. About the same as a Trophy Truck race, the winner is quickly forgotten and of little consequence. My point is simply, we should not be surprised by election fraud, and ask what will Republicans do about it?

PS before you accuse me of being a Democrat, I have never voted for a democrat since 1988, but I dislike the duopoly and often vote third party. Like Regor says, they are both the same people in my experience.
Hold on, let's all grab a cup and get
comfy.
OK! Now do cheating in marriage...

Got a wife you'd like stolen?
 

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I think you guys may have missed my point. Cheating is subjective because we all hold ourselves to different standards and interpretations of rules. In our culture, I believe most people cheat in some way, every day. Cheat on paying taxes? I can think of multiple ways people do this and justify it for just as many reasons without a care in the world. To think the same mentality would not apply to election fraud is naive. I am being honest and saying we bent the spirit of the rules because the finite details missing left a void we found and exploited. It was cheating in my opinion, but much like registering a car in Arizona to beat out the California Smog inspection, we did it.

I believe the Democrats are more engaged in winning elections than the Republicans. Lately, Republicans like to cry over spilled milk, the Democrats seem to go back to the drawing board and find ways to win. Where is G Gordan Liddy when you need him? How about the folks from Tammany Hall? Vote early vote often? Republicans have settled into a grievance culture. Lose an election, cry, ask for money. Democrats have built an aggressive culture of activation. One needs to look no further than the Gay Marriage legalization strategy as a road map to influencing a national outcome. The legalization of weed seems to be following this same road map to a positive potential outcome. Dare I say, does Republican leadership really even want to win? Do they get more donations when they win or lose?

Honestly don't know or care who won the shootout last year, it serves no value to me, rich people's problems. About the same as a Trophy Truck race, the winner is quickly forgotten and of little consequence. My point is simply, we should not be surprised by election fraud, and ask what will Republicans do about it?

PS before you accuse me of being a Democrat, I have never voted for a democrat since 1988, but I dislike the duopoly and often vote third party. Like Regor says, they are both the same people in my experience.
It isn’t winning.
It’s stealing.
And yes, Dems are much better at it.
 

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Funny that they don’t see the giant hypocrisy. They champion for the gay community, yet are utterly aghast at even mentioning the America voted in a gay man.

And we’re the homophobes? It’s essentially the same behavior trait that feels the minority populations need “white” America to help them succeed. The soft bigotry of low expectations.

The left are the judgemental ones.
Yep. The left wants control. The only thing they ultimately care about is control. They control the minds of weak people, and are in the process of controlling enough people so as to never have to admit wrong, apologize or change course until they want.

fuck the left
 

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Reminds me a story of a thief aboard ship. Caught stealing, he was brought to the Officer OD. ""Caught him stealing Sir."

"Oh?. A thief?" "Yes Sir!" ""Well. He doesn't look like a thief. Take him away, and bring him back when he looks more Iike a thief..."
 

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I think you guys may have missed my point. Cheating is subjective because we all hold ourselves to different standards and interpretations of rules. In our culture, I believe most people cheat in some way, every day. Cheat on paying taxes? I can think of multiple ways people do this and justify it for just as many reasons without a care in the world. To think the same mentality would not apply to election fraud is naive. I am being honest and saying we bent the spirit of the rules because the finite details missing left a void we found and exploited. It was cheating in my opinion, but much like registering a car in Arizona to beat out the California Smog inspection, we did it.

Or getting a Montana LLC to avoid paying California registration and sales tax ;) People all over Havasu do that. I think there may be more Montana registered boats and RVs out there than CA or AZ ones. I don't believe there are that many schmucks out there like us who drive all the way from the Canadian border to the Mexican border on a regular basis 😂
 

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3 tornado warnings last night. Power's out, cold coffee. Haven't even taken my cynical pills yet this this morning.
Scary thought. I love West Texas.
 

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Hmm. What to do..
I say stop pretending it’s a real race.
Stop pretending it’s a real election.
If law breaking and cheating are the answer let’s stop dressing it up with some facade of legitimacy and let’s throw the fuck down.

Why go halfway and even pretend?
Like 328.8 always says, you either follow the law or you do not.

Fire with fire motherfuckers.
 

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Once upon a Time, in the West...
 

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Or getting a Montana LLC to avoid paying California registration and sales tax ;) People all over Havasu do that. I think there may be more Montana registered boats and RVs out there than CA or AZ ones. I don't believe there are that many schmucks out there like us who drive all the way from the Canadian border to the Mexican border on a regular basis 😂
I don’t do any of that.
I’m not a wishy washy half measure kind of guy.
When I said fuck CA I meant it and cut all ties.
I don’t live one life and dabble in another.

I wasn’t always like that.
 

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Ok, important question about "cheating":
If one partakes in a non-sanctioned, independent, contest between two vehicles, and no rules are set forth by the participants in regards to limitations...
Is nitrous oxide "cheating"?
No rules explicitly stated it could not be used.
No statement a car does or does not have it.

"...if a tree falls in a forrest" kind of question.
 

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Ok, important question about "cheating":
If one partakes in a non-sanctioned, independent, contest between two vehicles, and no rules are set forth by the participants in regards to limitations...
Is nitrous oxide "cheating"?
No rules explicitly stated it could not be used.
No statement a car does or does not have it.

"...if a tree falls in a forrest" kind of question.

Match races are just that.
Run what ya brung.

It’s why they invented bracket racing.
 

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The classic rhetorical question. Nice...

I should clarify to Mr. Wood that the Wife stealing question is the same question as the Tree question. Don't need another Ex.

Cheat On. After all.
"All's fair, in Love and War..."
 

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Hold on, let's all grab a cup and get
comfy.
OK! Now do cheating in marriage...

Got a wife you'd like stolen?
Ok, important question about "cheating":
If one partakes in a non-sanctioned, independent, contest between two vehicles, and no rules are set forth by the participants in regards to limitations...
Is nitrous oxide "cheating"?
No rules explicitly stated it could not be used.
No statement a car does or does not have it.

"...if a tree falls in a forrest" kind of question.


Is the Nitrous Oxide hidden or communicated? Asking for a friend. :)

There is always a chance a bigger better Dick could come along and steal the wife, but after 32 years, I have to assume she may not want to invest in starting the teaching process over. You better bring the A-game if you want to sweep her away. I may just take her back after she gets access to your assets. You'll never know if she is in on the hustle until it is too late.

The unfortunate thing about forums is that debate in this medium is dependent on the least effective of the three requirements of effective communication. I'm smiling as I participate, just to be clear.

Politics as a career is suspect. we passive citizens are just along for the ride unless we make the effort to drive. Sure it's sometimes fun to banter about all this nonsense, but when it no longer entertains we simply move to the next topic to keep ourselves occupied. hardly few are going to do more than weep over the injustice. Most Americans simply don't care unless it disrupts their lifestyle.

I'm not concerned until leaders start getting gun downed, or blown up. The rest is theatre.
 

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Is the Nitrous Oxide hidden or communicated? Asking for a friend. :)

There is always a chance a bigger better Dick could come along and steal the wife, but after 32 years, I have to assume she may not want to invest in starting the teaching process over. You better bring the A-game if you want to sweep her away. I may just take her back after she gets access to your assets. You'll never know if she is in on the hustle until it is too late.
You missed one, Mr. Wood. Hard Pass.. So? 32 years. I've got you by 2. And I didn't cheat. It's all good Mr. Wood. Until it's not.

Cool Jason Bourne story though. Good advice. I got paid to teach this. What's the first rule? CYA, 2nd rule? Pay attention to what is going on around you. A shrewd individual such as yourself, I'm sure you made sure your assets are well insulated from your biggest danger, statistically, by far? And as Bill Cosby says, Riiiiight...


The classic rhetorical question. Nice...

I should clarify to Mr. Wood that the Wife stealing question is the same question as the Tree question. Don't need another Ex.

Cheat On. After all.
"All's fair, in Love and War..."
 
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Speaking of "Floating a huge nut."
The semi torrential rains across the New Mexico line into the South Plains the from the 3 tornado warnings last night, and the soaking rains tonight occurring from the severe thunderstorms across a wide area of thousands of square miles across the Western South Plains of Texas have changed the farm outlook considerably as far as soil moisture required for planting over a huge area here, but is it too late?

In order to secure crop insurance, cotton has to be planted in the ground before June 5th. Dryland cotton will not produce without more rain. Float that Nut every year. Good job Uncle Buck. WW2 on.
So. Go around another year. We shall see. Godspeed Farmers.
 
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You missed one, Mr. Wood. Hard Pass.. So? 32 years. I've got you by 2. And I didn't cheat. It's all good Mr. Wood. Until it's not.

Cool Jason Bourne story though. Good advice. I got paid to teach this. What's the first rule? CYA, 2nd rule? Pay attention to what is going on around you. A shrewd individual such as yourself, I'm sure you made sure your assets are well insulated from your biggest danger, statistically, by far? And as Bill Cosby says, Riiiiight...


The classic rhetorical question. Nice...

I should clarify to Mr. Wood that the Wife stealing question is the same question as the Tree question. Don't need another Ex.

Cheat On. After all.
"All's fair, in Love and War..."
I've got so few assets, they don't need protection. "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".

Sorry I did not understand the tree question in relation to the wife. Still don't; it went right over my head.

Funny how we can make assumptions about people within a few posts on a bulletin board. Better hold on to your wallet around Wood, he is a cheating MFer. :)
 

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Funny how we can make assumptions about people within a few posts on a bulletin board. Better hold on to your wallet around Wood, he is a cheating MFer. :)

Assumptions?
You stated it outright! Lol

But my take on it is that I’d better hold on to my wallet around ANY off-road racer!
They’re all cheating MFers apparently.
 

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You appear to have no problems with open borders in a "trade off" for labor.....IMO, this is "selling out" the integrity of our Nation
Assumptions?
You stated it outright! Lol

But my take on it is that I’d better hold on to my wallet around ANY off-road racer!
They’re all cheating MFers apparently.
It’s making sure you have the best ability to do well in that race, WITHOUT crossing any lines that will be cheating or getting dqued. So your wallet is safe around us off-road racers 😉
 

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Assumptions?
You stated it outright! Lol

But my take on it is that I’d better hold on to my wallet around ANY off-road racer!
They’re all cheating MFers apparently.
I suppose my cheating at racing example missed the target completely.

Cheating is subjective. We all have a different threshold for cheating. We (humans) justify cheating in different ways.
The Nitros example was pretty good. Cheating? Perhaps? I think the piece of the puzzle missing is if the competitor asked and was told no. That is clearly cheating in my book. If they did not ask, then; no.

Let me share an example of how I cheated in JeepSpeed over 10 years ago. I don't race anymore. You can decide if I am a cheat and judge me accordingly.
Rule said you had to use a commercially available suspension kit. We designed our own suspension with components not available with any commercially available kit. The geometry was totally custom and it was built with robust materials not available commercially as a kit. We had a Lift kit company as a sponsor. We sent our final design to them, they manufactured it, took photos, and placed it in the company catalog for a ridiculous price. If someone wanted it, they could buy it and wait for a long lead time.

The spirit of the rules was to make the class affordable, We broke the spirit of the rule, but did not specifically violate the rule. I could give you many examples of things we did like this. In motorsports racing, this type of behavior is what is attractive to me. Study the rules and look for ways to gain an advantage. People do this with the Tax code every damn day. In the end, our effort to build an advantage trickled down into our sponsor's product line within other products. That relationship was more valuable to me than winning the race. I liked winning, but you did not really win anything of value. Desert racing in the end is an opportunity to drive your toy really fast in a somewhat safe environment.

We never blatantly cut the course.
 

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I suppose my cheating at racing example missed the target completely.

Cheating is subjective. We all have a different threshold for cheating. We (humans) justify cheating in different ways.
The Nitros example was pretty good. Cheating? Perhaps? I think the piece of the puzzle missing is if the competitor asked and was told no. That is clearly cheating in my book. If they did not ask, then; no.

Let me share an example of how I cheated in JeepSpeed over 10 years ago. I don't race anymore. You can decide if I am a cheat and judge me accordingly.
Rule said you had to use a commercially available suspension kit. We designed our own suspension with components not available with any commercially available kit. The geometry was totally custom and it was built with robust materials not available commercially as a kit. We had a Lift kit company as a sponsor. We sent our final design to them, they manufactured it, took photos, and placed it in the company catalog for a ridiculous price. If someone wanted it, they could buy it and wait for a long lead time.

The spirit of the rules was to make the class affordable, We broke the spirit of the rule, but did not specifically violate the rule. I could give you many examples of things we did like this. In motorsports racing, this type of behavior is what is attractive to me. Study the rules and look for ways to gain an advantage. People do this with the Tax code every damn day. In the end, our effort to build an advantage trickled down into our sponsor's product line within other products. That relationship was more valuable to me than winning the race. I liked winning, but you did not really win anything of value. Desert racing in the end is an opportunity to drive your toy really fast in a somewhat safe environment.

We never blatantly cut the course.
Cool!

All I’m saying is that it isnt assumptions, you told us you cheated.

But all that aside, this all started with 702 stating that election fraud may not have been enough to matter.
Besides that statement alone being absolute lunacy to me (in numerous ways), it smacks of also being a “little bit” pregnant.
Like robbing a bank but only getting a few bucks.
 

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I suppose my cheating at racing example missed the target completely.

Cheating is subjective. We all have a different threshold for cheating. We (humans) justify cheating in different ways.
The Nitros example was pretty good. Cheating? Perhaps? I think the piece of the puzzle missing is if the competitor asked and was told no. That is clearly cheating in my book. If they did not ask, then; no.

Let me share an example of how I cheated in JeepSpeed over 10 years ago. I don't race anymore. You can decide if I am a cheat and judge me accordingly.
Rule said you had to use a commercially available suspension kit. We designed our own suspension with components not available with any commercially available kit. The geometry was totally custom and it was built with robust materials not available commercially as a kit. We had a Lift kit company as a sponsor. We sent our final design to them, they manufactured it, took photos, and placed it in the company catalog for a ridiculous price. If someone wanted it, they could buy it and wait for a long lead time.

The spirit of the rules was to make the class affordable, We broke the spirit of the rule, but did not specifically violate the rule. I could give you many examples of things we did like this. In motorsports racing, this type of behavior is what is attractive to me. Study the rules and look for ways to gain an advantage. People do this with the Tax code every damn day. In the end, our effort to build an advantage trickled down into our sponsor's product line within other products. That relationship was more valuable to me than winning the race. I liked winning, but you did not really win anything of value. Desert racing in the end is an opportunity to drive your toy really fast in a somewhat safe environment.

We never blatantly cut the course.
What you did was not cheating, the process and exercise is exactly what made America great in the past. The effort and thought to improvise and compete. The ability to come up with new innovations that meet the rules, yet move the ball forward, forcing others to do the same to continue rapid advancement.

America now has a bunch of people who no longer believe that competition is the best path. So whenever someone improvises, figures out how to do something faster, better or cheaper, they cry to the governing body about how unfair it is that the old ways are being robbed from them. How unfair it is to be outwitted, outworked and out succeeded. Please governing body protect me. Or as one once said in here, put its hands on the scale to favor and protect the ones the governing body chooses.

And it is not just in racing, it has permeated most things including our capitalistic system and as a result, success based upon merit and results is now unfortunately deemed as unfair.
 

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What you did was not cheating, the process and exercise is exactly what made America great in the past. The effort and thought to improvise and compete. The ability to come up with new innovations that meet the rules, yet move the ball forward, forcing others to do the same to continue rapid advancement.

America now has a bunch of people who no longer believe that competition is the best path. So whenever someone improvises, figures out how to do something faster, better or cheaper, they cry to the governing body about how unfair it is that the old ways are being robbed from them. How unfair it is to be outwitted, outworked and out succeeded. Please governing body protect me. Or as one once said in here, put its hands on the scale to favor and protect the ones the governing body chooses.

And it is not just in racing, it has permeated most things including our capitalistic system and as a result, success based upon merit and results is now unfortunately deemed as unfair.

Dude…10 AM is way too early to be shitfaced.
 

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I've got so few assets, they don't need protection. "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".

Sorry I did not understand the tree question in relation to the wife. Still don't; it went right over my head.

Funny how we can make assumptions about people within a few posts on a bulletin board. Better hold on to your wallet around Wood, he is a cheating MFer. :)
Tell me about it. Holee Smokes. Divorced, BKd, cruizen in the CB, living in the Cabin Cruiser. Close to the Earth keeps you in great shape. Sing it Janice.

Come on, it's a rhetorical question. You get it. Steal a race enthusiastically con Mucho Gusto/don't dare steal the wife there Sancho.
They work as statements too. Like, "Love means never having to say you're sorry." Or, "Cheater's never Prosper..."

Before you get a hard on Mr. Wood, now mind you, I'm not condemning rule bending/Aww Hell that Lia Thomas Dude.... :D
 
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Tell me about it. Holee Smokes. Divorced, BKd, cruizen in the CB, living in the Cabin Cruiser. Close to the Earth keeps you in great shape. Sing it Janice.

Come on, it's a rhetorical question. You get it. Steal a race enthusiastically con Mucho Gusto/don't dare steal the wife there Sancho.
They work as statements too. Like, "Love means never having to say you're sorry." Or, "Cheater's never Prosper..."

Before you get a hard on Mr. Wood, now mind you, I'm not condemning rule bending/Aww Hell that Lia Thomas Dude.... :D
I don't speak Wedgy very well, it seems.

I don't think a person can steal a wife, a wife goes where a wife simply wishes to go. 💃

Cheaters do seem to prosper, That's how we all got into this mess.

"Love means never having to say you're sorry"
Interesting phrase. Could be taken two completely different ways based on mindset.

1.) When I cause pain I get a pass due to love.
2.) I never cause pain, because I love.

Please don't put Hard On and Lia Thomas in the same sentence. That's where I draw the line. o_O
🤢
 

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See, you did too get it. Nice one!
 

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What you did was not cheating, the process and exercise is exactly what made America great in the past. The effort and thought to improvise and compete. The ability to come up with new innovations that meet the rules, yet move the ball forward, forcing others to do the same to continue rapid advancement.

America now has a bunch of people who no longer believe that competition is the best path. So whenever someone improvises, figures out how to do something faster, better or cheaper, they cry to the governing body about how unfair it is that the old ways are being robbed from them. How unfair it is to be outwitted, outworked and out succeeded. Please governing body protect me. Or as one once said in here, put its hands on the scale to favor and protect the ones the governing body chooses.

And it is not just in racing, it has permeated most things including our capitalistic system and as a result, success based upon merit and results is now unfortunately deemed as unfair.

That's quite the long winded post to simply say you demand the right to slave labor and the ability to sell our national security to the highest bidder.

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