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I was exposed to tons of that poison in Iraq. I did a hair test and my uranium levels were more than 100 times normal. It's bad shit.
I think it's like Agent Orange from Vietnam, or any one of the other war creations I guess. Killing targets is one thing, that is war. The secondhand deaths from the pollution of ground water is pretty bad, but not near as bad as the effects on the kids born in those areas. I can't remember her name, but an Army nurse wrote a book about it, and had even gone to DC to discuss the harm being done.
 

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I think it's like Agent Orange from Vietnam, or any one of the other war creations I guess. Killing targets is one thing, that is war. The secondhand deaths from the pollution of ground water is pretty bad, but not near as bad as the effects on the kids born in those areas. I can't remember her name, but an Army nurse wrote a book about it, and had even gone to DC to discuss the harm being done.
Yep, it's nasty shit.
 

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Hey Tab, first off my apologies for the not well thought out shoot from the hip remark. I am sorry to have caused hurt, especially on the deep level that as a Vietnam Vet, you do feel.

I do not have even a hint of an inkling what you Brave Men went through there. I hated then and do now that Y'all were treated so very badly upon your return.

Dad never spoke of WW, or Korea. Ever.

I take the respect of those who served very seriously and I should have dug deep. I didn't remember at the time that you served there, and by the Grace of God made it back. Glad you did, and that Dad did too. We are very blessed to even be here.

Had a lot of down time to think today, after Surgery. Kinda has an effect..

Thank you and All of your Brother's in Arms for your service to our beloved Country. It cuts deep to see it being destroyed from within, in real time.

God Bless You, and God Bless America
We're good bro, you're a good man and hope your surgery went splendid and recovery is quick and as painless as possible. 👌👍
 

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The counter offensive has been costly, both in human life and in equipment for Ukraine side, and I believe lives on the Russian side as well. The Russian media refers to Loyd Austin as Loyd "Raytheon" Austin...he actually said that "we've only seen 5 destroyed" armored cars "filmed from a thousand different angles by the Russians". BBC news showed one of the same clips, and actually claimed it was CGI, as the smoke and fire was burning in the wrong place.

In the south, reports coming out that the Ukraine troops were sent in, were told that they would have air support. They've had very little, if any...mostly artillery and rockets to try and cover their advances. Most of the destroyed tanks and APC's have been taken out by helicopters, which wouldn't have been the case if there were air support.

In the north, there has been increasing fighting in the Bolgorod region, Russian territory. On both fronts, lots of NATO weapons being captured or left behind.

The official statement from "Wagner" is that they are staying at the rear until August I believe. Resting, licking their wounds...I think they needed time to train replacements, but don't know.
 

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I was surprised to hear Zelenskyy admit their artillery was outmatched and the Russians have complete air superiority. Videos circulating showing Russian helicopters pounding apc’s. This has to be the most inhumane war ever, for both sides. Old style trench warfare with highly lethal modern weapons. Russia will not stop, Zelenskyy needs to tell the west to FO and get to the negotiating table before there are no Ukrainians left at all.
 

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I was surprised to hear Zelenskyy admit their artillery was outmatched and the Russians have complete air superiority. Videos circulating showing Russian helicopters pounding apc’s. This has to be the most inhumane war ever, for both sides. Old style trench warfare with highly lethal modern weapons. Russia will not stop, Zelenskyy needs to tell the west to FO and get to the negotiating table before there are no Ukrainians left at all.
It makes zero sense. The west wants to win a war they started using weapons they supply carried by "soldiers" that have no real business on the battlefield. The west is fine with losing 3 Ukrainian men for every single Russian of Chechen troop. Zelensky must be on drugs, on payroll, or quite possibly both. How can anyone be fine with sending so many of their countrymen to certain death? The only real upgrades the Ukraine troops have been given is some better missiles...which are being used on soft targets, not on the battle field...some better recon drones and more night vision.
 

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Truth is , Zelensky isn’t calling any shots. He’s just a puppet..... no different than the idiot we have in the White House. This is all about money, and Zelensky’s job is to STFU and do what he is told. Simple as that. The world elites that want this war, do not care a bit about how many Ukrainians are killed.
 
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On a separate note: Zelensky said in an interview today that he thinks the Russians are going to blow up the ZNPP nuke plant. He said they just want to destroy Ukraine, no matter the cost...

Notice, it wasn't big news that the international nuke inspectors were there last week. All but one reactor is shut down, and that one they said was "idle" or something...not currently spooled up?
 

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It makes zero sense. The west wants to win a war they started using weapons they supply carried by "soldiers" that have no real business on the battlefield. The west is fine with losing 3 Ukrainian men for every single Russian of Chechen troop. Zelensky must be on drugs, on payroll, or quite possibly both. How can anyone be fine with sending so many of their countrymen to certain death? The only real upgrades the Ukraine troops have been given is some better missiles...which are being used on soft targets, not on the battle field...some better recon drones and more night vision.
If the Ukrainians want to remain Ukrainians they have no other choice.

Fight til death or surrender all freedoms and National identity under occupation and submission.

I’m pretty sure I know what you or I would choose.
 

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On a separate note: Zelensky said in an interview today that he thinks the Russians are going to blow up the ZNPP nuke plant. He said they just want to destroy Ukraine, no matter the cost...
Notice, it wasn't big news that the international nuke inspectors were there last week. All but one reactor is shut down, and that one they said was "idle" or something...not currently spooled up?
i read they stopped fueling the reactors but they take months to cool down. Once they cool off, the plant will likely be shut down completely.
 

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It makes zero sense. The west wants to win a war they started using weapons they supply carried by "soldiers" that have no real business on the battlefield. The west is fine with losing 3 Ukrainian men for every single Russian of Chechen troop. Zelensky must be on drugs, on payroll, or quite possibly both. How can anyone be fine with sending so many of their countrymen to certain death? The only real upgrades the Ukraine troops have been given is some better missiles...which are being used on soft targets, not on the battle field...some better recon drones and more night vision.


Yes it's called "arms money"

morons call it "protecting democracy" 🤣🤣


This is 100% the fault of Obama and Newland, who facilitated a government coup in 2014 and a large segment of the eastern part of the country said "🖕 this is an illegal government."

So kiev tried shelling their own people into submitting to a government that was formed out of a coup, and those people don't want it.
 

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Some videos have been released the past few days, and they were filmed from a GoPro or helmet cam. These videos were "western mercenaries" as the Russians put it. English speakers, some American, some British I think. These videos were taken in Bahkmut it appears. These guys were well equipped, not like the Ukraine troops, and appeared better trained as well. The bad thing, usually videos like these are from captured, or killed, soldiers.

In the south, the counter offensive areas, a group of "mercenaries" was captured. Small UK patches...I'd assume to mark language, as no SF types would be patched (I don't think?)

In different news, the Ukraine MOD head made statement that the ZNPP, nuke facility, has been mined by the Russians to setup a massive catastrophe...like blowing up the dam. Zelensky echoed the remarks the next day...
The International Regulatory people came out immediately and said the mining story is not true. They were just allowed in to inspect the facility last week.

Most of the Kiev region has now been call to service. Anyone of age is required to show up to recruiting offices. This is as they are claiming 7:1 kill ratios...somethings amiss there.

A German publication released an issue this week with a cartoon of a French tank, plowed into a wall. The translation reads "This isn't a counter offensive, it's a bloody crash test"

Some are getting rich, and lots are dying. Evil, stupidity and greed.
 

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With Blinken as SOS,? they can't even process/get a passport. And these two clowns are Statesmen? With Biden as CIC? What now ?, WW3 in order to distract from the newest MOAB re: Hunter Biden and the Big Guy?
 
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Big news today...or yesterday?...the Russians hit a cafe. All the western media posting these Tweets or TikToks by English speaking "tourists". Some of these men make note, "no military targets in the area"...

These same people's IG and such show them training soldiers. It looks as if the Russians were watching their updates, and hit dinner time.

One of these "tourists" also happened to have a Ranger 3rd Battalion tattoo visible tending to an injured person. What kind of "tourist" takes a vacation near the front of an active war zone?

Russian media isn't saying these were active soldiers. They are saying "retired" volunteers from the US.
 

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Biden Close To Approving Cluster Bombs, Banned In 120 Countries, For Ukraine

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Could be included in military package as soon as next month.

FRI JUN 30, AT 6:05 AM


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Ahhhh come on Plank, tell the folks which other 16 countries have also not signed that same weapons ban. 😁
OH wait, I see that Russia, China and North Korea are included in those 16 🤔
I was comforted to note we were going to start using Skittles in our Claymore Mines instead of ball bearings. 🤣
 

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I think the only difference between what is being used, and this new statement of "cluster bombs" is the wording. PFM-1 "petal" mines have been used by both sides according to this...

Also, a few days before the "counter offensive" started, Ukraine sent some bigger mines in over the main road areas going into their targeted areas. This apparently was to slow reinforcements.

Both sides like to brag about "targeted strikes", but both sides are dumping massive amounts of ordinance. All a cluster bomb does is do it at one time.

On a side note, Claymore's filled with Skittles would probably be fun gifts come the holidays🤣
 
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I think the only difference between what is being used, and this new statement of "cluster bombs" is the wording. PFM-1 "petal" mines have been used by both sides according to this...

Also, a few days before the "counter offensive" started, Ukraine sent some bigger mines in over the main road areas going into their targeted areas. This apparently was to slow reinforcements.

Both sides like to brag about "targeted strikes", but both sides are dumping massive amounts of ordinance. All a cluster bomb does is do it at one time.

On a side note, Claymore's filled with Skittles would probably be fun gifts come the holidays🤣

You see, based on my extremely limited exposure a very long time ago, I'm an extremely avid believer in a few basic rules once you or a country decides to engage in mortal conflict.

Rule # 1: Do NOT FUCK AROUND ---- Hit hard, hit fast and do whatever it takes to accomplish as much devastation and eliminate (Injure or kill) as many of the opposing forces as possible in the shortest amount of time possible.
Mitigation of collateral damage should only be considered if it doesn't impede with the mission statement of rule # 1.

Rule # 2: When Rule # 1 has been accomplished, pack it up, get the fuck out and have beers. Whatever is left behind, is their fucking problem.

We as a country can not seem to get grasp the significance of these two very basic rules and as such we flounder, fuck around, engage in bantering dialog and suffer long term as a consequence. This dumb-ass "Humane" concept of war (Two completely conflicting ideologies) simply prolongs the pain and suffering and costs us countless billions and we're not very fucking good at it either.

Rip the damned band aid off already.
War is a horrible ugly reality that we as intelligent beings, shouldn't find necessary to engage in, but as we learn with our first infantile introduction to others, people are by their nature ravenous beasts of prey.
 

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You see, based on my extremely limited exposure a very long time ago, I'm an extremely avid believer in a few basic rules once you or a country decides to engage in mortal conflict.

Rule # 1: Do NOT FUCK AROUND ---- Hit hard, hit fast and do whatever it takes to accomplish as much devastation and eliminate (Injure or kill) as many of the opposing forces as possible in the shortest amount of time possible.
Mitigation of collateral damage should only be considered if it doesn't impede with the mission statement of rule # 1.

Rule # 2: When Rule # 1 has been accomplished, pack it up, get the fuck out and have beers. Whatever is left behind, is their fucking problem.

We as a country can not seem to get grasp the significance of these two very basic rules and as such we flounder, fuck around, engage in bantering dialog and suffer long term as a consequence. This dumb-ass "Humane" concept of war (Two completely conflicting ideologies) simply prolongs the pain and suffering and costs us countless billions and we're not very fucking good at it either.

Rip the damned band aid off already.
War is a horrible ugly reality that we as intelligent beings, shouldn't find necessary to engage in, but as we learn with our first infantile introduction to others, people are by their nature ravenous beasts of prey.

But how are you supposed to launder billions and billions of dollars doing that? 🤡🤡
 

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But how are you supposed to launder billions and billions of dollars doing that? 🤡🤡
Exactly, we no longer (Or haven't for well over 50 years maybe 100) wage decisive war, it's become the "Business" of waging war.
It's all about who gets to be made rich from not only the war itself, but the seemingly endless process of providing salvation and restoration to those poor people who's innocent lives you devastated.
 

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You see, based on my extremely limited exposure a very long time ago, I'm an extremely avid believer in a few basic rules once you or a country decides to engage in mortal conflict.

Rule # 1: Do NOT FUCK AROUND ---- Hit hard, hit fast and do whatever it takes to accomplish as much devastation and eliminate (Injure or kill) as many of the opposing forces as possible in the shortest amount of time possible.
Mitigation of collateral damage should only be considered if it doesn't impede with the mission statement of rule # 1.

Rule # 2: When Rule # 1 has been accomplished, pack it up, get the fuck out and have beers. Whatever is left behind, is their fucking problem.

We as a country can not seem to get grasp the significance of these two very basic rules and as such we flounder, fuck around, engage in bantering dialog and suffer long term as a consequence. This dumb-ass "Humane" concept of war (Two completely conflicting ideologies) simply prolongs the pain and suffering and costs us countless billions and we're not very fucking good at it either.

Rip the damned band aid off already.
War is a horrible ugly reality that we as intelligent beings, shouldn't find necessary to engage in, but as we learn with our first infantile introduction to others, people are by their nature ravenous beasts of prey.
I don't really know when "Rule#2" got canned. Maybe as far back as WW1? Not really familiar with the whole socioeconomic and global powers of the time. WWII, most assuredly, money was spent to "rebuild" what had been torn down. It was also rebuilt in a manor more suitable to the allies. "Nation building" is really nothing more than a different name for colonialism I think. A country may no longer fly a British or American flag, but the strings are still pulled by others, either financially or with heavily supported leadership.

War is definitely more of a business it seems, but done so on the premise of ideology.
 

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WW2 was the big eye opener that spawned the now behemoth Military Industrial Complex Eisenhower warned us of. Which spawned the Carpetbagger Political Leech MSM Thought Control Monetizing Complex. Brought to You by Evil.
 

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IDK much about as much abut WW1 as I do about WW2. If parallels could be drawn to outcomes. To defeat Germany was just. Britain France Europe Australia South Pacific and the Far East are toast if America doesn't intervene/deploy Rule#1...
Check...

Russia is not WW2 Germany. But the most productive farming region in Europe sure is toast. That's pretty bad.
The destruction of the Kakhovka Dam in Ukraine cut off the water supply to Crimea, and the entirety of water delivered by canal to the majority of all the Ukrainian farmland. 14.7 million acre feet of storage, gone. Attack on NATO?
 

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I read recently that there were concerns around that nuke plant in Ukraine, hopefully that thing stays safe and buttoned up! I never took it seriously when Ukraine was bitching about Russians wanting to sabotage it, but now that the Russians are telling their people to get out of there I'm almost wondering if that's what that whole Wagner deal was about??

Maybe Wagner boss got wind of some plans and was like "you're not blowing that place up with my men (and me) nearby....Plus it's a stupid idea anyway so stand down or we will go to Moscow and make you stop, or at tell the whole world." Nothing else makes sense, but that could be something that's scary enough and pissed him off enough to go through with his adventure's to Moscow... thoughts?
 

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Great question.
This guy breaks it all down, including the military implications.
Pretty informative on all the events, history, effects.

The Nuke Plant is above the dam, on the shore of the then, lake.

All generation units are powered down. But the cooling of all plant rods, and spent fuel rod storage must be maintained.

The spent rod storage pools have maintenance requirements that include recharging the cooling water which is drawn from the lake into storage pools that are of limited capacity to sustain these operations without lake water.


 

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I don't really know when "Rule#2" got canned. Maybe as far back as WW1? Not really familiar with the whole socioeconomic and global powers of the time. WWII, most assuredly, money was spent to "rebuild" what had been torn down. It was also rebuilt in a manor more suitable to the allies. "Nation building" is really nothing more than a different name for colonialism I think. A country may no longer fly a British or American flag, but the strings are still pulled by others, either financially or with heavily supported leadership.

War is definitely more of a business it seems, but done so on the premise of ideology.
My rules are of course completely asinine and with all but an exceptionally rare case, were abandoned in the Stone Age. 🤣
Wars might be fought on rare occasion with an ideological basis, but usually more as a front for show and tell.
Wars, even in Egyptian times required huge financial backing, somebody, somewhere, had to be gaining something to make it worth their while.
Hell, even scuffles between us common folk turned into a financial game of conquest once the attorneys came onboard. Only problem is, the cause to initiate the legal payday often means somebody has to lose really really big and probably won't enjoy any fruits from the beating they endured and quite possibly didn't survive.

So yes sir, you are 100% correct 👍👌
 

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It would be interesting to be more knowledgeable like Jaynes and have more of a working idea of what may be a strategic pullback by Russia, maybe a surrender even,? with a scorched earth aspect requiring an International response due to the critical danger posed to Europe by the Nuclear plant? Let the rebuilding begin. Cha Ching?
 
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