Riviera Slips

[PlanB]

Got some gas at the Rivera last week. Nice place and the guy on the dock was very nice (gave us some free drinks from the store). I am wondering though how bad the slips are going to get hammered in a storm. I have one of the best covered slips in the LHC Marina and we are very well protected. When I was getting gas a boat went by outside the sea wall and the surge from the wake was pretty bad (boat and dock both moving up and down).

 

[mbrown2]

Got some gas at the Rivera last week. Nice place and the guy on the dock was very nice (gave us some free drinks from the store). I am wondering though how bad the slips are going to get hammered in a storm. I have one of the best covered slips in the LHC Marina and we are very well protected. When I was getting gas a boat went by outside the sea wall and the surge from the wake was pretty bad (boat and dock both moving up and down).

I wondered the same....very open area and they seem to have went the less is more route with the sea wall...

 

[Racer56]

Got some gas at the Rivera last week. Nice place and the guy on the dock was very nice (gave us some free drinks from the store). I am wondering though how bad the slips are going to get hammered in a storm. I have one of the best covered slips in the LHC Marina and we are very well protected. When I was getting gas a boat went by outside the sea wall and the surge from the wake was pretty bad (boat and dock both moving up and down).

I think the farther away from the breakwater and the closer to shore you are the better it will be. I have seen it really rough on the lake and the marina was really calm. It's not as protected as Havasu Marina but I think it will be fine.

 

[Racer56]

Well looks like the hats aren't flying off in Havasu yet. Can we get some slips on the north side?? What I would give to not have to pull out everyday and be able to rent out when not using it. Great program for those on the south side or center of town

I don't like to pullout either!

 

[Racer56]

@Ace in the Hole what is your slip number?

 

[Ace in the Hole]

@Ace in the Hole what is your slip number?

c41, You?

 

[RiverDave]

I wondered the same....very open area and they seem to have went the less is more route with the sea wall...

Really? That wave attenuatior I thought was pretty damn massive?

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Really? That wave attenuatior I thought was pretty damn massive?

It is...especially compared to others I've seen. It's way more stout than the one at the Marina in TX where @Shlbyntro is now and I used to be at. It had to be really rolling for stuff to get through. I at least was pretty impressed by the one at the riviera....

They are going to have to do something about the fucking jet skis buzzing in and out of the marina though... When I was up there for the regatta that was occurring. A potato launcher or paintball gun may be needed

 

[Racer56]

c41, You?

D7

 

[PlanB]

Really? That wave attenuatior I thought was pretty damn massive?

Guy working there said it was 7' deep. Too bad they could not do rocks from the bottom like a regular jetty. I could see them trying to move the no wake zone further out.

 

[mbrown2]

Really? That wave attenuatior I thought was pretty damn massive?

I think it will fine for most Saturday and Sunday chop....but PlanB said storm... there is no natural barrier to that marina and if in a storm the wind is blowing to the north or northwest the attenuator will be tested. It is a not a like a natural barrier where you are buffering the top and bottom of the wave....If PlanB was feeling the swell on an off season weekend inside the break....then I have to wonder what it would be like in storm/monsoon with wind swept waves blowing towards the marina without a natural barrier/harbor...

 

[HNL2LHC]

With this dialog anyone else thinking about this????

@Ace in the Hole what is your slip number?

c41, You?

D7

As for us and having a dock….I see both with ourselves and friends. I don’t mind the daily launch and retrieve at this point. THen you add in the fact that I am a cheap sucker that just seals the deal for us. LOL

 

[mbrown2]

Guy working there said it was 7' deep. Too bad they could not do rocks from the bottom like a regular jetty. I could see them trying to move the no wake zone further out.

Exactly that would suck....if they moved the no wake and took more of the lake away...

 

[QC22]

I've been getting fuel there for a couple of months now and haven't noticed any unusual movement. The fuel docks are right along the attenuator so would be the most susceptible to any wakes, swells etc. So far my favorite thing there is how you can power right up to the entrance. I could see them moving those buoys out some, but love it the way it is today.

 

[WildWilly]

I've been getting fuel there for a couple of months now and haven't noticed any unusual movement. The fuel docks are right along the attenuator so would be the most susceptible to any wakes, swells etc. So far my favorite thing there is how you can power right up to the entrance. I could see them moving those buoys out some, but love it the way it is today.

I drove in there for the first time last weekend and was surprised by that. we know how some treat the no wake buoys as a finish line to shut down, that would carry a ton of wake inside the barrier and cause problems.

 

[QC22]

I drove in there for the first time last weekend and was surprised by that. we know how some treat the no wake buoys as a finish line to shut down, that would carry a ton of wake inside the barrier and cause problems.

Selfishly I like it now, but I can see it becoming an issue. I'm backing off short of the buoy line for sure, but there are going to be traffic issues there.

 

[RiverDave]

With this dialog anyone else thinking about this????

As for us and having a dock….I see both with ourselves and friends. I don’t mind the daily launch and retrieve at this point. THen you add in the fact that I am a cheap sucker that just seals the deal for us. LOL

Honestly Stacy and I have the launching and retrieving thing down to a science.. it doesn’t bother me to launch and retrieve..

I Just wanted to try the slip program and see if we like it. If it doesn’t work for us I will sell it next summer. I think we will like it though if we use it for the Thursday to Monday program.

 

[Singleton]

Honestly Stacy and I have the launching and retrieving thing down to a science.. it doesn’t bother me to launch and retrieve..

I Just wanted to try the slip program and see if we like it. If it doesn’t work for us I will sell it next summer. I think we will like it though if we use it for the Thursday to Monday program.

Better program. Leave trailer at marina, have detailer retrieve boat Monday, detail and return to storage Monday night.

 

[Racer56]

With this dialog anyone else thinking about this????

As for us and having a dock….I see both with ourselves and friends. I don’t mind the daily launch and retrieve at this point. THen you add in the fact that I am a cheap sucker that just seals the deal for us. LOL

If you give me a good deal on my door's and windows you can use my dock.

 

[Cole Trickle]

I don't think i could ever justify the monthly nut but if you lived there i could see the dock or especially the covered ones being a pretty cool hang out spot at the end of the day if the neighbors ended up being cool.

little party action while the kids fish

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Better program. Leave trailer at marina, have detailer retrieve boat Monday, detail and return to storage Monday night.

Even better program... Rack Storage

 

[Racer56]

Better program. Leave trailer at marina, have detailer retrieve boat Monday, detail and return to storage Monday night.

Don't let @RiverDave fool you. He already has Jake and Joe to launch and retrieve his shit.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Even better program... Rack Storage

If people are complaining about the monthly nut on slips...their heads will spin when they see what rack storage may run them. It's convenient as shit but I know what it cost in Texas and I guarantee it will be more out here.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If people are complaining about the monthly nut on slips...their heads will spin when they see what rack storage may run them. It's convenient as shit but I know what it cost in Texas and I guarantee it will be more out here.

And nonexistent except for people with boats over $1M.

Not happening here in Havasu.

 

[Racer56]

And nonexistent except for people with boats over $1M.

Not happening here in Havasu.

If the Havasu Riviera Penthouses houseboat program is successfull, than the rack storage would be successful.

 

[BabyRay]

I see some are looking forward to the covered slips. Just a thought; I had a covered slip on the Thea Foss Waterway in Tacoma. The birds roosting in the rafters, and the constant cleaning of the resulting mess, convinced me I’d rather leave it out in the sun and rain. Of course, the sun isn’t quite as brutal or common here, and I don’t know what the bird situation is in Havasu, but thought I’d toss this out there for consideration.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

And nonexistent except for people with boats over $1M.

Not happening here in Havasu.

I think you are off on the kinds of boats in rack storage...this isn't Miami. You will see ski/wake boats, small runabouts etc in rack storage... Not just 1mil+ boats.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think you are off on the kinds of boats in rack storage...this isn't Miami. You will see ski/wake boats, small runabouts etc in rack storage... Not just 1mil+ boats.

Not in Havasu for the prices it will command... and those boats are already in storage or RV garages.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Not in Havasu for the prices it will command... and those boats are already in storage or RV garages.

Curious…did you get a slip?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Curious…did you get a slip?

Thought about it but no. If I did I was going to rent it out. I don't really have a need for it when I am here.

 

[RiverDave]

And nonexistent except for people with boats over $1M.

Not happening here in Havasu.

At 8,000.00 buy in and 600 a month I woulda bet they would have 1/2 to 3/4 of them in the market still.. they now have two or three left..

I think you are dead wrong.. but I guess we will find out in the next year or two because they are building it

RD

 

[2Driver]

Best slip I ever owned and no monthly

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

At 8,000.00 buy in and 600 a month I woulda bet they would have 1/2 to 3/4 of them in the market still.. they now have two or three left..

I think you are dead wrong.. but I guess we will find out in the next year or two because they are building it

RD

We will find out... They all sold because that is cheap, and you can resell it down the road, probably at a profit.

Rack storage is just paying for storage. If it builds It is not gonna be for 300 boats like they said originally. I've always said maybe a high end place for 50 boats could work.

The added fees will eat normal boaters alive. Fuel? Boat detailing? Boat repairs?

Way easier to just buy or rent a slip for the time you are here, and pay a concierge service to launch and retrieve for you from your HVAC controlled storage or garage.

The slips just slit the throat of the tiny Rack Storage market that might have existed in the first place.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Slip vs Launching and Retrieving - We had various boats at Black Meadow Landing for over 20 years. BML and the Riviera are certainly 2 totally different Marina arrangements. In those years I was working a month on and a month off. So, that gave us numerous occasions to enjoy extended stays at BML. It was our choice to launch and retrieve. At times, that was nearly every day. My wife was also very good maneuvering our boat trailers. It always felt nice to have our various boats parked by our various RVs. Besides, the slips at BML suck. Always have. Only used them once, on our very first visit. Overnight that boat got vandalized and items stolen. That was enough. No more slips for us. Once again, I completely understand there's no comparison between BML and the Riviera. Some trivia. - George Field, the longtime owner concessionaire of BML, told me he and his father had once owned the Riviera land. ?? Really don't know how true that was. I do know, they did once hold the concessions on a number of resorts on the Parker Strip. Can only imagine, George would love to get $8K and $600/month for his terrible BML slips! ! Lol!

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Not for 300 boats like they said originally. I've always said maybe a high end place for 50 boats.

The added fees will eat normal boaters alive. Fuel? Boat detailing? Boat repairs?

Way easier to just buy or rent a slip for the time you are here.

The model works quite well on a number of lakes. Convenience comes at a cost…and to keep costs down volume needs to increase. A lot more people “with money” have a small sea ray or Malibu etc than have a DcB/mti etc….those same people value time and convenience.

The demographics of havasu are changing..more money than ever is floating around it seems so I disagree with you.

I think you also may be missing how dry stack actually works.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I see some are looking forward to the covered slips. Just a thought; I had a covered slip on the Thea Foss Waterway in Tacoma. The birds roosting in the rafters, and the constant cleaning of the resulting mess, convinced me I’d rather leave it out in the sun and rain. Of course, the sun isn’t quite as brutal or common here, and I don’t know what the bird situation is in Havasu, but thought I’d toss this out there for consideration.

Yeah I was thinking the covered slips are nice until the local wildlife moves in.

For that, I would either screen off the under part of the cover or put any kind of deterrent on the rails or flat beams that would allow roosting (such as those clumps of spikes things). I think creating a crap free zone under the cover is doable.

As for what if wasps decide to build nests I recommend the shoot with the 25 foot spray and run back to the store and have some beers while you wait for that to take effect.

 

[clarence]

I don't think i could ever justify the monthly nut but if you lived there i could see the dock or especially the covered ones being a pretty cool hang out spot at the end of the day if the neighbors ended up being cool.

little party action while the kids fish

Exactly.

Many of the slips at my marina have bars, grills.

Most of the larger boats almost never leave the dock, just serve as waterfront condos.

 

[mbrown2]

At 8,000.00 buy in and 600 a month I woulda bet they would have 1/2 to 3/4 of them in the market still.. they now have two or three left..

I think you are dead wrong.. but I guess we will find out in the next year or two because they are building it

RD

I think along the same lines.... I would expect storage occupancy in town is greater than 90%.... I would think if they could do rack storage for prices similar to traditional storage it will have likewise occupancy within the first 5 years. I don't think we can compare to FL where the cost per sq ft in SoFlo is much higher than cost in Havasu... I think about the warehouse storage in Parker ...where you drop off/pick up..and they have services like maintenance and detail built in....that place is full.

I think if I was thinking storage in traditional setting vs rack....having your boat right next to the launch ramp and getting rid of the need to tow around town really has its advantages...if they can launch/retrieve for you.... you no longer require a truck/tow vehicle..

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The model works quite well on a number of lakes. Convenience comes at a cost…and to keep costs down volume needs to increase. A lot more people “with money” have a small sea ray or Malibu etc than have a DcB/mti etc….those same people value time and convenience.

The demographics of havasu are changing..more money than ever is floating around it seems so I disagree with you.

I think you also may be missing how dry stack actually works.

We'll see. I'm not missing how it works.

It works well at a number of lakes because they don't have the proliferation of RV garages we see here. Also show me the outdoor stacks of boats, and I'll show you what a boat looks like out in the Havasu Sun for 6..months.

Oh its gonna be indoor you say! Great! That sounds like it will drive up the prices but whatever. HVAC in there? No? Darn! I'm going to take my boat out of climate controlled storage of my garage or the storage I pay for down the street, to toss it in a building that will have the door wide open all day. I guess I will just have to pay for it to be detailed every time I use it because the boat above mine pisses all over my Alcantara. and the boat is always dusty. Perfect. Ok my boat needs gas? $7/gallon from the Marina for concierge 91 fillup? Awesome! Glad I didnt need the $12/gallon race gas fillup. I need Barrett to work on my boat? Will they work on it in my Rack? Oh no, its got to be pulled out and towed over there. Perfect they will do it for a fee.

At least I got the money to pay for all this. Live was so much harder when I launched the boat for the weekend and left it in the slip and it was in my garage the rest of the time!

I want to see them cram 300 Sea Rays into a building in the back corner of the Marina Parking lot.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think along the same lines.... I would expect storage occupancy in town is greater than 90%.... I would think if they could do rack storage for prices similar to traditional storage it will have likewise occupancy within the first 5 years. I don't think we can compare to FL where the cost per sq ft in SoFlo is much higher than cost in Havasu... I think about the warehouse storage in Parker ...where you drop off/pick up..and they have services like maintenance and detail built in....that place is full.

I think if I was thinking storage in traditional setting vs rack....having your boat right next to the launch ramp and getting rid of the need to tow around town really has its advantages...if they can launch/retrieve for you.... you no longer require a truck/tow vehicle..

There is no way they can make it comparable to traditional storage prices storage in Havasu. Under $300 a month for indoor rack storage for a 25-28 foot boat at a Marina that costs $400/year just to enter? That's not going to happen.

As you said, a better business model for Havasu is to just do a traditional storage with concierge service, detailing and maintenece built in or offsite.

Racks all sound great but the prices are gonna be at least double what people are paying for a similar storage unit. The monthly slip rental is double the storage cost already.

 

[RiverDave]

We will find out... They all sold because that is cheap, and you can resell it down the road, probably at a profit.

Rack storage is just paying for storage. If it builds It is not gonna be for 300 boats like they said originally. I've always said maybe a high end place for 50 boats could work.

The added fees will eat normal boaters alive. Fuel? Boat detailing? Boat repairs?

Way easier to just buy or rent a slip for the time you are here, and pay a concierge service to launch and retrieve for you from your HVAC controlled storage or garage.

The slips just slit the throat of the tiny Rack Storage market that might have existed in the first place.

Good to know 8k & 600 a month is cheap? . Lol.

The 600 was my waffling point but I pulled the trigger because I figured we would use it enough to justify.

I think you are dead wrong on the rack storage.. but I’m not gonna argue it. We will see.

BTW I think the rack storage was for 150 boats

 

[69hondo]

How any of you can justify that much money is beyond me. I guess if you live there full time and use your boat everyday maybe. I am 44, bought my first house at 20 and the payment wasnt even that much for a house. I know how I sound but damn! I have left my boat slipped a few times and it stresses me out. I am always thinking about what if someone is fucking with it or what if a storm pops up real quick, etc.

I do however wish I had the idea for it because obviously I am the minority and this shit went like it was free beer at the strip club somebody making a shit ton of money

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Hmm...those without any interest/investment in the project seem to be the most questioning.... This sounds very familiar...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Good to know 8k & 600 a month is cheap? . Lol.

The 600 was my waffling point but I pulled the trigger because I figured we would use it enough to justify.

I think you are dead wrong on the rack storage.. but I’m not gonna argue it. We will see.

BTW I think the rack storage was for 150 boats

If $600/month is expensive, the rack rate and associated concierge services will be unaffordable for you

Back in the beginning they said 300 boats. I can't find it because of paywalls.

Remember when $40K for a storage condo was expensive?... That was like 6 years ago.

In another 6 years if you sell your slip it will probably be close to "free"

6 years of Rack storage leaves you with needing to pay for a new interior.

I agree, no need to argue. 150 or 300, probably not.. 50 spots maybe for ballers.

I remember when the West Coast CC's were gonna be the next thing in 2 years.. And then came the twin engine quarter million pontoons and that left the ballers buying $750-$1M+ CC's Those guys are your rack storage guys..

I don't know anyone that wants to put their $200K-300K+ deckboat with alcantara interior on a rack. I'm sure there are a few, but not 100 of them.

 

[RiverDave]

If $600/month is expensive, the rack rate and associated concierge services will be unaffordable for you

Back in the beginning they said 300 boats. I can't find it because of paywalls.

Remember when $40K for a storage condo was expensive?... That was like 6 years ago.

In another 6 years if you sell your slip it will probably be close to "free"

6 years of Rack storage leaves you with needing to pay for a new interior.

I agree, no need to argue. 150 or 300, probably not.. 50 spots maybe for ballers.

I remember when the West Coast CC's were gonna be the next thing in 2 years.. And then came the twin engine quarter million pontoons and that left the ballers buying $750-$1M+ CC's Those guys are your rack storage guys..

I don't know anyone that wants to put their $200K-300K+ deckboat with alcantara interior on a rack. I'm sure there are a few, but not 100 of them.

I still think the CC’s are gonna take off out here.. I am seeing more and more of them on the lake, but not like twin toons..

The luxe deal is kind of a compromise

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I still think the CC’s are gonna take off out here.. I am seeing more and more of them on the lake, but not like twin toons..

The luxe deal is kind of a compromise

They wont take off until regular people are comfortable paying half a million for a boat. We are up to $300k presently. Lux deal is gonna get us to $350-400K (outside of Pavatis) I bet because a twin engine Trifecta is gonna look pedestrian next to one.

 

[RiverDave]

They wont take off until regular people are comfortable paying half a million for a boat. We are up to $300k presently. Lux deal is gonna get us to $350-400K (outside of Pavatis) I bet because a twin engine Trifecta is gonna look pedestrian next to one.

Twin 450 trifecta is 400k right now..

 

[mbrown2]

All you need is about 2-3acres min to build a 52K sq ft indoor accounting for 35' rack lengths, 70' single drive aisle for fork lift.... 52K sqft for the closed facility another 50K sqft for outside parking, outdoor stacks for temporary space, trailers ect. 52K would allow for 200 boats indoor. Traditional storage for 200 boats requires much more land and building.. If you can charge 200 boats 250 a month just base storage no concierge stuff its 600K annually....I would guess break even in year 4-5 based on land value, construction, racks, ect... Havasu is growing and if storage was more available folks would leave their boats there. Just considering that occupancy for traditional storage is over 90% tends to poke holes in the concept everyone has a RV garage or a house for that matter. Most storages in town are not temp controlled and probably get dust as a they not insulated all that well at least mine do in Parker... The other items pointed out...I think have been managed in other rack storage facilities so I think they could be managed...

Boat storage will continue to thrive as long as the lake has water...

 

[mbrown2]

There is no way they can make it comparable to traditional storage prices storage in Havasu. Under $300 a month for indoor rack storage for a 25-28 foot boat at a Marina that costs $400/year just to enter? That's not going to happen.

As you said, a better business model for Havasu is to just do a traditional storage with concierge service, detailing and maintenece built in or offsite.

Racks all sound great but the prices are gonna be at least double what people are paying for a similar storage unit. The monthly slip rental is double the storage cost already.

I think $300 a month for traditional storage at 30' is the norm.... they will only go up... I think the math shows, the big expense is in the land and building expense, and the rack option for the same number of boats takes a fraction of the space and building.....I think the land math alone you can make the case for better return long term.

 

[Paradox]

“They wont take off until regular people are comfortable paying half a million for a boat. We are up to $300k presently.”

We’re solidly middle class in terms of income and I’d never pay $300k for a boat, let alone 1/2 a mil.

We’re close to closing the purchase on our 8th boat (over the decades) and it just touches 6 figures.

We buy only used, smaller boats (it’s a 32 footer) and we don’t finance toys so there’s that.

That said, I’m all in for a rack storage spot and would be willing to pay double what we are paying for our rental storage unit, if it’s nice.

The convenience factor is undeniable..