Rivian Towing Test

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What I find this is laughable,TFLT calls this world's toughest towing test. My buddies have to tow from Vancouver to Area27 Oliver, which is 250 miles. Only relatively flat part is in between Vancouver and Hope. From Hope, most of the road to Oliver is uphill, slow to accelerate with all the winding roads there, with 7 to 9 %. Get into momentum constantly, would kill this Rivian much quicker than this TFL test road, and no charging stations to rely on until Manning Park. It's cool how powerful the Rivian is, great for getting groceries around town.

I can do the 250 miles, towing my boat [ 8300lbs ] or TT [ closer to 10000lbs ] without stopping!

 

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Just in , Tesla Giga factory

 

[River Runnin]

Best thing I can say about electric is! — Fuck that shit!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What I find this is laughable,TFLT calls this world's toughest towing test. My buddies have to tow from Vancouver to Area27 Oliver, which is 250 miles. Only relatively flat part is in between Vancouver and Hope. From Hope, most of the road to Oliver is uphill, slow to accelerate with all the winding roads there, with 7 to 9 %. Get into momentum constantly, would kill this Rivian much quicker than this TFL test road, and no charging stations to rely on until Manning Park. It's cool how powerful the Rivian is, great for getting groceries around town.

I can do the 250 miles, towing my boat [ 8300lbs ] or TT [ closer to 10000lbs ] without stopping!

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With an F150???? !!! ???????

Now you’ve done it.

 

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With an F150???? !!! ???????

Now you’ve done it.

Just sold my Ecoboost while it's still worth money, and will use my son's 08 Cadillac Escalade for boat towing duty. With this Covid BS, last year was the first time , I didn't go boating once, being busy at the race track anyway. I may use the the boat a few times this year though.

 

[Heylam]

I saw a Rivian Cargo delivery van today. Trippy looking.

 

[Boat 405]

I did see this a couple months ago on the 15.

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In the wrong lane none the less. LOL

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Good thing all those installed chargers are easily pull through to account for all the electric trucks towing.......
Oh wait...... guess you'll just have to drop your trailer and hope it doesn't "roll away" on another hitch while you wait for your battery to charge to 80%...... fucking stupid!

 

[Sleek-Jet]

What was really surprising about that test was not the range, that is a given, it was the DC fast charging. They spent 30 minutes on the charger and only got about 60 miles of range.

 

[TPC]

It's only the beginning. Check this out:

Toyota isn't the only company perfecting Solid State batteries but they just may dominate it.

Honda has been crying they're behind in EV tech and that's all HONDA dis-information BS.
They've been at it longer than anyone and they'll have some good products released over the next decade too.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

What was really surprising about that test was not the range, that is a given, it was the DC fast charging. They spent 30 minutes on the charger and only got about 60 miles of range.

Yeah, not good. The technology is just not there to replace a tow vehicle like a truck. Trucks are typically on a mission, to move or tow something, sometimes for long distances with a big payload. Like I've been saying, without a minimum range of about 500 miles, EV's will never be the long haul tow solution and isn't gonna win everyone over. I think they'll get there. Tesla's Cybertruck quad motor should have a 500 miles range. That will probably mean with towing a boat you would have to charge once on a long haul to get to NV or AZ from SoCal. I'm fine with that. Tesla is always improving and expanding their Supercharges, their current V3 chargers can charge up to 1000 miles in an hour right now. We'll just have to wait and see

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Yeah, not good. The technology is just not there to replace a tow vehicle like a truck. Trucks are typically on a mission, to move or tow something, sometimes for long distances with a big payload. Like I've been saying, without a minimum range of about 500 miles, EV's will never be the long haul tow solution and isn't gonna win everyone over. I think they'll get there. Tesla's Cybertruck quad motor should have a 500 miles range. That will probably mean with towing a boat you would have to charge once on a long haul to get to NV or AZ from SoCal. I'm fine with that. Tesla is always improving and expanding their Supercharges, their current V3 chargers can charge up to 1000 miles in an hour right now. We'll just have to wait and see

Have you ever seen any of them installed in a manner where a trailer was taken into consideration? I haven't. I've only seen standard stall-type chargers. I'm sure they will eventually put in some, but you'd be back to massive lines on big weekends due to the extremely limited number of them along key travel routes.

 

[HTMike]

Let’s be real…diesel has ~40 kWh/gallon.
The Rivian has a 144 kWh battery.

How much work, how far can we reasonably expect to tow, using 4 gallons diesel fuel?

That’s really what it comes down to.

How do rolling brown outs effect tow range ? How about waiting several hours to get access to a charging station ?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How do rolling brown outs effect tow range ? How about waiting several hours to get access to a charging station ?

Don't ask that, it triggers some electric car owners.

 

[2Driver]

I don't understand why this is so limited if the electric car charging grid is as robust and plentiful as some people with an electric car claim. This sounds like an easy 10 minute charge every 20 minutes while towing something, and you can get where ever you want to go. What's the problem?

Just plug the truck in while out boating. You know all the Marinas are gearing up to install the $150k chargers

 

[hallett21]

Can’t wait to revisit this is 5-10 years

 

[2Driver]

Can’t wait to revisit this is 5-10 years

Due to vehicle charging overloading the grid capacity, Governor Greta Thunberg initiates a mandatory work or walk from home order.
In a statement she said, due to the lack of windmills built during the Trump era, we will need to live with the consequences of the oil era. Only during Santa Ana events will there be enough generating capacity to allow vehicle charging. Remember to please wear a mask when in gatherings.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Can’t wait to revisit this is 5-10 years

Electric cars have done nothing but go up in price for the last decade. The only cheap electric cars have no range. This electric truck range problem does not get solved in 5 years unfortunately.... not without substantially more batteries in the truck which drives up the cost.

An Electric F150 XLT starts at $20k more than the equivalent XLT gas version. That is not going to make sense for a great number of truck people given the range.

 

[hallett21]

Electric cars have done nothing but go up in price for the last decade. The only cheap electric cars have no range. This electric truck range problem does not get solved in 5 years unfortunately.... not without substantially more batteries in the truck which drives up the cost.

An Electric F150 XLT starts at $20k more than the equivalent XLT gas version. That is not going to make sense for a great number of truck people given the range.

Not directed at you but there’s been a lot of absolutes on this board.

Remember when everyone basically laughed KAP out of the room when he said outboards would be the future of performance boating.

The real estate market imploding any minute now

Tesla can do nothing but fail

Emission diesels will be the end of the economy

F150s can’t tow worth shit.

Speed is a Ponzi Scheme.

EVs will never work.

The list grows by the week lol.

 

[TPC]

Electric cars have done nothing but go up in price for the last decade. The only cheap electric cars have no range. This electric truck range problem does not get solved in 5 years unfortunately.... not without substantially more batteries in the truck which drives up the cost.

An Electric F150 XLT starts at $20k more than the equivalent XLT gas version. That is not going to make sense for a great number of truck people given the range.

I wager Musk will roll out a cheap-O no frills mini from the China plant. It'll be it's own segment. Basic un plug n go.

My wife has been following this couple.
Chix love the Porsche Taycan:

Close caption will translate from British to American.

 

[ConcreteDr]

Let’s be real…diesel has ~40 kWh/gallon.
The Rivian has a 144 kWh battery.

How much work, how far can we reasonably expect to tow, using 4 gallons diesel fuel?

That’s really what it comes down to.

THIS.... I have several clients in the Bay Area that were forced to buy and start using electric garbage trucks and roll off trucks and there NOT happy the technology is a ways out....also there natural gas fleets don't remotely compare to diesel...

But hey we the rate payers will pay for the R&D & the new food waste laws are going to hit us all starting this year..

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Not directed at you but there’s been a lot of absolutes on this board.

Remember when everyone basically laughed KAP out of the room when he said outboards would be the future of performance boating.

The real estate market imploding any minute now

Tesla can do nothing but fail

Emission diesels will be the end of the economy

F150s can’t tow worth shit.

Speed is a Ponzi Scheme.

EVs will never work.

The list grows by the week lol.

If the electric car range problem was gonna be solved in 5 years, there would be a $250K electric car with solid state batteries in it TODAY. We don't have that yet. We are just getting the first electric trucks today with the same lithium battery tech.

Remember 7 years ago when they said 20 million cars on the road by 2020 will be self driving... Yea.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I wager Musk will roll out a cheap-O no frills mini from the China plant. It'll be it's own segment. Basic un plug n go.

My wife has been following this couple.
Chix love the Porsche Taycan:

Close caption will translate from British to American.

We had that in the Fiat 500e. If you only needed to go 90 miles, it is (was) the cheapest transportation there is.

Taycan is killer. If I was buying an electric car, that is what I'd buy.

I'm just saying these problems are still a ways out from being solved.. Or are still too cost prohibitive.

 

[hallett21]

If the electric car range problem was gonna be solved in 5 years, there would be a $250K electric car with solid state batteries in it TODAY. We don't have that yet. We are just getting the first electric trucks today with the same lithium battery tech.

Remember 7 years ago when they said 20 million cars on the road by 2020 will be self driving... Yea.

Maybe. Or someone is sitting on the tech waiting to bring it to market. Same reason I’m sure Mercury doesn’t release a 600 version of the 450 outboard.

Fair enough on the self driving cars. But I bet in another 7 years that mark will be hit (meaning the cars are capable, I doubt we see liability free self driving for a long time).

Either way this tech has made leaps and bounds in the last 10 years. I know members here will cherry pick facts to beat EVs down but any reasonable person can see where we are headed.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Maybe. Or someone is sitting on the tech waiting to bring it to market. Same reason I’m sure Mercury doesn’t release a 600 version of the 450 outboard.

Fair enough on the self driving cars. But I bet in another 7 years that mark will be hit (meaning the cars are capable, I doubt we see liability free self driving for a long time).

Either way this tech has made leaps and bounds in the last 10 years. I know members here will cherry pick facts to beat EVs down but any reasonable person can see where we are headed.

Where the tech is headed and where it can cost effectively go are 2 different trajectories right now.

No one is sitting on that battery tech. There is a difference between a staged rollout (an outboard engine) and a revolutionary change in technology. If it was ready for prime time it would be in every phone and tablet already. It’s not going to debut in cars.

Addtionally, no one wants a $250k electric car. The damage done to the earth mining and processing lithium on a large scale will be recognized for what it is.. an extremely dirty and toxic process.

You won’t see liability free self driving until cars don’t have steering wheels.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Electric cars have done nothing but go up in price for the last decade. The only cheap electric cars have no range. This electric truck range problem does not get solved in 5 years unfortunately.... not without substantially more batteries in the truck which drives up the cost.

An Electric F150 XLT starts at $20k more than the equivalent XLT gas version. That is not going to make sense for a great number of truck people given the range.

Then why did you buy so much stock in Rivian if you don't believe in EV trucks? That's what they make.. lol

 

[hallett21]

Where the tech is headed and where it can cost effectively go are 2 different trajectories right now.

No one is sitting on that battery tech. There is a difference between a staged rollout (an outboard engine) and a revolutionary change in technology. If it was ready for prime time it would be in every phone and tablet already. It’s not going to debut in cars.

Addtionally, no one wants a $250k electric car. The damage done to the earth mining and processing lithium on a large scale will be recognized for what it is.. an extremely dirty and toxic process.

You won’t see liability free self driving until cars don’t have steering wheels.

Well we gotta walk before we can run. I’m not saying the Rivian is gods gift to earth. But if it can tow a load 70 miles today I bet in 5 years it’ll be 250 miles.

And understandably that will impress no one here because every cash paying member has an auxiliary 250 gallon diesel tank. That way they can tow from NY to CA at a moments notice. And these people routinely do it .

My point was that this board will shit on anything after the 7.3, 1990 schiada 21, OSB Chevy duallys & camping at Blue Water or black meadows etc.

100 years ago it made more sense to ride a horse because gas stations were far and few between. 50 years ago we had the Muscle Car era. Today we have vehicles that will snap your neck if you’re not careful.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well we gotta walk before we can run. I’m not saying the Rivian is gods gift to earth. But if it can tow a load 70 miles today I bet in 5 years it’ll be 250 miles.

And understandably that will impress no one here because every cash paying member has an auxiliary 250 gallon diesel tank. That way they can tow from NY to CA at a moments notice. And these people routinely do it .

My point was that this board will shit on anything after the 7.3, 1990 schiada 21, OSB Chevy duallys & camping at Blue Water or black meadows etc.

100 years ago it made more sense to ride a horse because gas stations were far and few between. 50 years ago we had the Muscle Car era. Today we have vehicles that will snap your neck if you’re not careful.

This is a forum comprised of middle aged dudes, of course they are gonna shit on everything different.

That would be a massive leap in tech that I don’t see possible in 5 years. Electric cars have not increased range at that rate to date. The only way that range will increase is with more batteries at the current technology level, and that drives up costs.

Honestly I like the Lucid strategy - Trade performance for longer range.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Then why did you buy so much stock in Rivian if you don't believe in EV trucks? That's what they make.. lol

Because I believe in making money. A Rivian is not for someone that tows recreationally. It is for someone that drives to Home Depot to buy rugs and window coverings.

If electric cars were so great, we would see them in areas other than the coasts. That time may come in the future, but we are not there yet. Electric cars and trucks are fine, as long as we admit what they are good at and what their shortcomings are.

 

[hallett21]

This is a forum comprised of middle aged dudes, of course they are gonna shit on everything different.

That would be a massive leap in tech that I don’t see possible in 5 years. Electric cars have not increased range at that rate to date. The only way that range will increase is with more batteries at the current technology level, and that drives up costs.

Honestly I like the Lucid strategy - Trade performance for longer range.

Idk what the current model S ranges are. But according to Wikipedia the original roadster had a range of 200 miles. Granted I think they came out in 2008 so the time difference is 14 years.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Because I believe in making money. A Rivian is not for someone that tows recreationally. It’s for someone that drives to Home Depot to buy rugs and window coverings.

Haha, all you do is bash EV's on here, but buy a shit ton of Rivian stock.... If you truly didn't believe in the technology you wouldn't have spent a dime on it... Dude, you're really something special... I sincerely hope that Rivian does great, I'm pulling for them and I hope you do well with your stock.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Idk what the current model S ranges are. But according to Wikipedia the original roadster had a range of 200 miles. Granted I think they came out in 2008 so the time difference is 14 years.

The roadster is a different platform with less room for batteries. The Model S is 10 years old now.

 

[hallett21]

The roadster is a different platform with less room for batteries. The Model S is 10 years old now.

Did the new one come out yet?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Haha, all you do is bash EV's on here, but buy a shit ton of Rivian stock.... If you truly didn't believe in the technology you wouldn't have spent a dime on it... Dude, you're really something special... I sincerely hope that Rivian does great, I'm pulling for them and I hope you do well with your stock.

I don’t bash EVs. There is nothing wrong with EVs. I bash the fallacy that some EV owners think their $50-100k car is somehow cheap transportation. That and every long distance trip they take is all roses and unicorn farts.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Because I believe in making money. A Rivian is not for someone that tows recreationally. It is for someone that drives to Home Depot to buy rugs and window coverings.

If electric cars were so great, we would see them in areas other than the coasts. That time may come in the future, but we are not there yet. Electric cars and trucks are fine, as long as we admit what they are good at and what their shortcomings are.

Be patient my friend... Give it some time...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Did the new one come out yet?

No. Teslas have all been late except for the Model Y.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

I don’t bash EVs. There is nothing wrong with EVs. I bash the fallacy that some EV owners think their $50-100k car is somehow cheap transportation. That and every long distance trip they take is all roses and unicorn farts.

My buddy just bought a new F350.. He spent a hundred grand on it..

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Be patient my friend... Give it some time...

They will be fine when the infrastructure is there. But when the infrastructure is there, it is gonna cost as much as a tank of gas for a quick charge in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

No. Teslas have all been late except for the Model Y.

They can't built them fast enough.... They can't keep up with the demand

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My buddy just bought a new F350.. He spent a hundred grand on it..

And it will tow 20k pounds, 300 miles in one shot.

You can also buy a $50k F350. There is no $50k Rivian.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

They will be fine when the infrastructure is there. But when the infrastructure is there, it is gonna cost as much as a tank of gas for a quick charge in the middle of nowhere.

Could be.. But there is no guarantee how much a gallon of gas or diesel will be. We have no control over it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

They can't built them fast enough.... They can't keep up with the demand

That isn’t what I said.. every model that have come out with has been late.

Model 3s are everywhere here in OC.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

That isn’t what I said.. every model that have come out with has been late.

Model 3s are everywhere here in OC.

They are a young car company.. They will get there. Just like Rivian, they will get there and succeed.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Could be.. But there is no guarantee how much a gallon of gas or diesel will be. We have no control over it.

You have no control over the electricity prices either. They will have you by the proverbial balls. For the next 5-10 years you are probably ok. That charging infrastructure has to be paid for somehow. Giving away a 30 min charge for $10 isn’t gonna cut it.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

You have no control over the electricity prices either. They will have you by the proverbial balls. For the next 5-10 years you are probably ok. That charging infrastructure has to be paid for somehow. Giving away a 30 min charge for $10 isn’t gonna cut it.

I agree, but if gas were 2-3 dollars a gallon we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Gas is 4-5 dollars a gallon now and only going to go up. The US still produces the majority of our oil but the rest of it is making Canada, South America and Middle Eastern countries rich as hard working Americans are bending over at the pump. I got sick of it. I just feel stupid spending $125 to fill up my truck. Yes I know I can drive a Honda.. I feel like I'm getting played. But everyone feels that paying 4-5 for gas is so patriotic for some odd reason, nothing can be farther from the truth. Just my opinion.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I agree, but if gas were 2-3 dollars a gallon we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Gas is 4-5 dollars a gallon now and only going to go up. The US still produces the majority of our oil but the rest of it is making Canada, South America and Middle Eastern countries rich as hard working Americans are bending over at the pump. I got sick of it. I just feel stupid spending $125 to fill up my truck. Yes I know I can drive a Honda.. I feel like I'm getting played. But everyone feels that paying 4-5 for gas is so patriotic for some odd reason, nothing can be farther from the truth. Just my opinion.

Gas could also go back down, it is a commodity. It could also stay where it is. In CA we are absolutely getting played. I get the draw of the EV. But in much of the country gas is $3/gallon, and why they have not taken off.

The lithium batteries in EVs are making China rich. And Musk has sold himself to China to make Teslas there. It’s 6 of one half a dozen of another. But we all have to get around somehow.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Gas could also go back down, it is a commodity. It could also stay where it is. In CA we are absolutely getting played. I get the draw of the EV. But in much of the country gas is $3/gallon, and why they have not taken off.

No, go look.. Gas is skyrocketing right now. The National gas average is $3.39.. I can't defend the idiots that voted for the gas tax in CA. AZ is in the top 10 highest gas prices in the country and less than a dollar away from CA.

 

[Taboma]

This is a forum comprised of middle aged dudes, of course they are gonna shit on everything different.

That would be a massive leap in tech that I don’t see possible in 5 years. Electric cars have not increased range at that rate to date. The only way that range will increase is with more batteries at the current technology level, and that drives up costs.

Honestly I like the Lucid strategy - Trade performance for longer range.

Doesn't seem as if Lucid has traded ALL their performance for longer range. I mean 0-60 @ 3.0s and the quarter mile at 10.8 @ 130 aren't as good as a S-Plaid, but nothing to yawn about.

And no, I'm pretty sure I won't be jumping to EVs during this life-cycle, but I've sure enjoyed burning my share of hydrocarbons.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Most here and guys I know have at least two vehicles. I have 2 trucks myself 1/2 ton and mid sized.
(3 really the f450 is a business truck so I dont call it mine but its in my stable if I want to book time on it)
The mid sized doubles as my car a more flexible version in any case.

Right tool right job.

The bigger trucks can tow a lot of weight a long distance - and when I do that I'll take them.

The little truck rides better, is way cheaper to run, more fun and the better choice unloaded every time.
It can tow some weight, or carry some cargo.

The Rivian fits the " little" truck mold great for me.


I like to quote the comedian Adam Corolla after the first time he drove a tesla.

"This is the future no doubt - you get this - and an F350 and you are done"

 

[Uncle Dave]

Doesn't seem as if Lucid has traded ALL their performance for longer range. I mean 0-60 @ 3.0s and the quarter mile at 10.8 @ 130 aren't as good as a S-Plaid, but nothing to yawn about.

No shit thats supercar level performance.