Rivian Towing Test

[pronstar]

Power is there

Range is atrocious…it’s really just math - moving a mass against gravity over a known distance, and the kWh required to do it - nothing against the truck.

Might be good for some, but not quite ready to displace gas/diesel if you need to tow beyond local.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Rivian may be cool for some, but I really like the truck on the trailer.

Someone needs to build a hybrid on steroids. A diesel hybrid that can use the electric to roll around town and parking lots, and, say, a Cummins for when towing or loaded. Someone smarter than me will figure it out, and hopefully soon.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Power is there

Range is atrocious…it’s really just math - moving a mass against gravity over a known distance, and the kWh required to do it - nothing against the truck.

Might be good for some, but not quite ready to displace gas/diesel if you need to tow beyond local.

Pretty much what was expected. If you had a charger In Havasu, it might not be a bad Havasu boat launcher!

 

[pronstar]

Rivian may be cool for some, but I really like the truck on the trailer.

Someone needs to build a hybrid on steroids. A diesel hybrid that can use the electric to roll around town and parking lots, and, say, a Cummins for when towing or loaded. Someone smarter than me will figure it out, and hopefully soon.

That comes down to cost, methinks.

Now you’ve got two very expensive, very heavy drivetrains to maintain. And a carrying capacity that’s significantly reduced due to all that weight.

 

[pronstar]

Pretty much what was expected. If you had a charger In Havasu, it might not be a bad Havasu boat launcher!

Yeah no real surprise.

But I think it’ll be a reality check for people thinking there’s some magical Tesla/Rivian/whatever-EV engineering that’ll close the gap.

It comes down to battery capacity…full stop.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yeah no real surprise.

But I think it’ll be a reality check for people thinking there’s some magical Tesla/Rivian/whatever-EV engineering that’ll close the gap.

It comes down to battery capacity…full stop.

Yep. Agreed 1000%.

 

[BUDMAN]

Actually seen one of these trucks on the road Saturday. Thing took off from the light like a rocket.

 

[CLdrinker]

Yeah no real surprise.

But I think it’ll be a reality check for people thinking there’s some magical Tesla/Rivian/whatever-EV engineering that’ll close the gap.

It comes down to battery capacity…full stop.

I think nobody gives a shit about towing range. If you can’t transport our gas burning toys they can’t be used to pollute.

I think this by design.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think nobody gives a shit about towing range. If you can’t transport our gas burning toys they can’t be used to pollute.

I think this by design.

Have you seen Tesla threads? It’s a bunch of people living in fantasy camps.

My friend with a Cybertruck on order thinks he’s gonna tow his Speed UTV to the desert with it

He can I suppose but he will spend more time charging the truck than in the desert with the UTV

This is of course all depends on if either are delivered.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Have you seen Tesla threads? It’s a bunch of people living in fantasy camps.

My friend with a Cybertruck on order thinks he’s gonna tow his Speed UTV to the desert with it

He can I suppose but he will spend more time charging the truck than in the desert with the UTV

This is of course all depends on if either are delivered.

Living in your head 24/7... Love it..

 

[pronstar]

Let’s be real…diesel has ~40 kWh/gallon.
The Rivian has a 144 kWh battery.

How much work, how far can we reasonably expect to tow, using 4 gallons diesel fuel?

That’s really what it comes down to.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Living in your head 24/7... Love it..

Lol like I said.. here comes the electric car fantasy campers

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I did see this a couple months ago on the 15.

 

[pronstar]

Actually seen one of these trucks on the road Saturday. Thing took off from the light like a rocket.

I think it hits 60 in 4 seconds or less

It’s faster than a TRX…heck in that video I posted, it was towing a trailer uphill and pulled away from a Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi that was unloaded.

 

[pronstar]

Waiting for the “I’ll put a solar panel on it” comment from the peanut gallery

 

[Icky]

Have you seen Tesla threads? It’s a bunch of people living in fantasy camps.

My friend with a Cybertruck on order thinks he’s gonna tow his Speed UTV to the desert with it

He can I suppose but he will spend more time charging the truck than in the desert with the UTV

This is of course all depends on if either are delivered.

What will be delivered first

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Power is there

Range is atrocious…it’s really just math - moving a mass against gravity over a known distance, and the kWh required to do it - nothing against the truck.

Might be good for some, but not quite ready to displace gas/diesel if you need to tow beyond local.

This is no surprise to anyone. These EV trucks are a long ways away from replacing ICE trucks. EV's need a range of at least 500 miles if they're gonna tow anything, especially a truck. Fords Lightning is even a bigger disappoint with it's low range considering how much it's going to cost. They batteries are just not there yet...

 

[Mandelon]

Rivian et al will be great for working around town, but long distance...obviously the tech is not there.

Maybe if you toss a Honda Generator in the back of the truck. Can it charge at the same time it is driving around?

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Rivian et al will be great for working around town, but long distance...obviously the tech is not there.

Maybe if you toss a Honda Generator in the back of the truck. Can it charge at the same time it is driving around?

That's what the Fisker Karma had, but its Genny was a turbo ecotec. You could drive it with the generator running just to charge the batteries. lol

 

[pronstar]

Rivian et al will be great for working around town, but long distance...obviously the tech is not there.

Maybe if you toss a Honda Generator in the back of the truck. Can it charge at the same time it is driving around?

Can’t charge and tow.

But if we need to generate 2 kWh per mile towing, we’re gonna need a pretty big diesel generator LOL

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What will be delivered first

Well Tesla just said another year for the truck...

 

[hallett21]

What’s the towing range?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What’s the towing range?

None.

 

[HBCraig]

Yeah no real surprise.

But I think it’ll be a reality check for people thinking there’s some magical Tesla/Rivian/whatever-EV engineering that’ll close the gap.

It comes down to battery capacity…full stop.

Yep

Add the heat and pulling your boat up Chiriaco Summit in July. Best of luck

 

[hallett21]

None.

Lol I can’t watch the video right now. 20,40,100 miles?

 

[Taboma]

Let’s be real…diesel has ~40 kWh/gallon.
The Rivian has a 144 kWh battery.

How much work, how far can we reasonably expect to tow, using 4 gallons diesel fuel?

That’s really what it comes down to.

Does this comparison consider actual efficiency to the pavement or an on paper fuel energy to KWH conversion ?

 

[BUDMAN]

Waiting for the “I’ll put a solar panel on it” comment from the peanut gallery

You just did

 

[pronstar]

Does this comparison consider actual efficiency to the pavement or an on paper fuel energy to KWH conversion ?

Just paper.

Diesel aren’t 100% efficient, and an electric motor is over 90% efficient.

 

[pronstar]

What’s the towing range?

They got about 2kwh per mile.
So about 70 miles LOL

 

[TPC]

Based on this, imagine what the Ford & GM 350/3500's power is going be like.
Solid state batteries are not to many years away and we may see 500 miles on a short charge too.

 

[Jefftowz]

I did see this a couple months ago on the 15.

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Great idea to bring the motorcycle, so when it’s charging for 5 hours you can get around.

 

[Wedgy]

Rivian may be cool for some, but I really like the truck on the trailer.

Someone needs to build a hybrid on steroids. A diesel hybrid that can use the electric to roll around town and parking lots, and, say, a Cummins for when towing or loaded. Someone smarter than me will figure it out, and hopefully soon.

The Toyota Prius is a solid vehicle. My GF had a 2012 Prius V. The regenerative brake recharge technology is really cool.
With the price of Semi truck, farm equipment through the roof anyway, scaling up the Prius concept may be a way to "Go Green," on the bigger scale of Tractors, any current large, heavy vehicles.
I joke you are not towing fleets of trailers full of batteries behind an 8 row electric Cotton Stripper to harvest cotton. Or rotate a fleet of Frack tank sized trailers full of batteries out to a Location. Laughable. But Rabid Democrats say "Make it So."

On the other hand,
So why are they not putting battery recharger wind tubines on vehicles? Sleek shrouded powerful high tech ones with radar bird deflector mesh intakes

 

[boatpi]

They just announced delivery not until 2023 everything‘s delayed, If ever….

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Based on this, imagine what the Ford & GM 350/3500's power is going be like.
Solid state batteries are not to many years away and we may see 500 miles on a short charge too.

For the low low price of $250k!!

 

[Racey]

Let’s be real…diesel has ~40 kWh/gallon.
The Rivian has a 144 kWh battery.

How much work, how far can we reasonably expect to tow, using 4 gallons diesel fuel?

That’s really what it comes down to.

It would be closer to 12 gallons, diesel may have ~40kWh/gallon, but that doesn't factor in the 33/33/33 split of energy converted to 33% exhaust heat, 33% cooling heat, and 33% mechanical use. Correct?

The electric will have much better conversion efficiency, maybe a 10% loss, not a ~60% loss.

But still, yeah, untill the battery problem is solved, they will be limited.

 

[Boat 405]

It would be closer to 12 gallons, diesel may have ~40kWh/gallon, but that doesn't factor in the 33/33/33 split of energy converted to 33% exhaust heat, 33% cooling heat, and 33% mechanical use. Correct?

The electric will have much better conversion efficiency, maybe a 10% loss, not a ~60% loss.

But still, yeah, untill the battery problem is solved, they will be limited.

What about the loss involved creating electricity from coal and then transferring to a battery..... LOL

Also the use of a Turbo charger sheds some of the 33/33/33 loss calculation because part of the 33% going out the exhaust is recaptured and turned into mech use.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It would be closer to 12 gallons, diesel may have ~40kWh/gallon, but that doesn't factor in the 33/33/33 split of energy converted to 33% exhaust heat, 33% cooling heat, and 33% mechanical use. Correct?

The electric will have much better conversion efficiency, maybe a 10% loss, not a ~60% loss.

But still, yeah, untill the battery problem is solved, they will be limited.

I don't understand why this is so limited if the electric car charging grid is as robust and plentiful as some people with an electric car claim. This sounds like an easy 10 minute charge every 20 minutes while towing something, and you can get where ever you want to go. What's the problem?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What about the loss involved creating electricity from coal and then transferring to a battery..... LOL

Also the use of a Turbo charger sheds some of the 33/33/33 loss calculation because part of the 33% going out the exhaust is recaptured and turned into mech use.

That's true but you are also burning more fuel with more air.

 

[Boat 405]

That's true but you are also burning more fuel with more air.

Yes exactly and the efficiency goes up.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yes exactly and the efficiency goes up.

Yea it makes more power for sure. Have to do a little more math on that one to figure it out.

 

[Racey]

What about the loss involved creating electricity from coal and then transferring to a battery..... LOL

Also the use of a Turbo charger sheds some of the 33/33/33 loss calculation because part of the 33% going out the exhaust is recaptured and turned into mech use.

That's true on both counts, it's just a rule of thumb, and diesels are better than gas.

Large scale commercial power generation is WAYYYYYY more efficient than small motor generation. They pull as much energy as possible from the process, they do this mainly by using the exhaust to pre-heat the water as it comes in, and any residual heat exiting the steam turbine. Probably around twice as efficient in capturing heat energy than your car.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

I'm sorry, but that is garbage! This truck is fine for the same people that buy the Honda platform truck which is basically a car. Personally, I don't want a car, I don't even want a gas truck. I sold my Cummins because of the market, but it was the worst thing I did. I want nothing more than another diesel truck and this time, I'm putting a tank in the bed so I can go 1000 miles and not even think about it. I'm the consumer that will reject technology until I am forced to I guess.

 

[TPC]

Koenigsegg's Tiny Electric Motor Makes 335 HP and 443 LB-FT of Torque​

"Swedish hypercar maker Koenigsegg has long been a home for novel engineering, and that's evident in its new electric motor. Developed for the Gemera four-seater, this electric motor, dubbed the Quark, is a tiny powerhouse. In a package that weighs just 63 pounds, the Quark develops 335 hp and 443 lb-ft of torque. For scale, that's a 330-mL energy drink in the pictures seen throughout.

Koenigsegg is also marketing an EV drive unit made up of two Quark motors, plus its small-but-powerful inverter, and small low-ratio planetary gearsets at each output shaft. The unit is called the Terrier, and serves up 670 hp and 811 lb-ft in a package that weighs just 187 pounds, and which offers torque vectoring across an axle. A Terrier can be bolted directly to a car's monocoque as well." - Road&Track

 

[pronstar]

This is also pretty interesting…a drop-in EV live axle for trucks.

News Release - Magna Drives Pickup Truck Electrification With Its New eBeam Technology

www.magna.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This is also pretty interesting…a drop-in EV live axle for trucks.

News Release - Magna Drives Pickup Truck Electrification With Its New eBeam Technology

www.magna.com

That is pretty cool.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm sorry, but that is garbage! This truck is fine for the same people that buy the Honda platform truck which is basically a car. Personally, I don't want a car, I don't even want a gas truck. I sold my Cummins because of the market, but it was the worst thing I did. I want nothing more than another diesel truck and this time, I'm putting a tank in the bed so I can go 1000 miles and not even think about it. I'm the consumer that will reject technology until I am forced to I guess.

You can put an aftermarket replacement tank under the bed, have a 1000 mile range, and not lose the bed space.

For those that travel outside CA often, or even just to Havasu, the couple grand cost of the tank up front will pay for itself in just a few years of trips.

 

[hallett21]

You can put an aftermarket replacement tank under the bed, have a 1000 mile range, and not lose the bed space.

For those that travel outside CA often, or even just to Havasu, the couple grand cost of the tank up front will pay for itself in just a few years of trips.

I really need to get this done. Is titan the go to on this?

 

[spectras only]

Rivian may be cool for some, but I really like the truck on the trailer.

Someone needs to build a hybrid on steroids. A diesel hybrid that can use the electric to roll around town and parking lots, and, say, a Cummins for when towing or loaded. Someone smarter than me will figure it out, and hopefully soon.

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[Boat 405]

You can put an aftermarket replacement tank under the bed, have a 1000 mile range, and not lose the bed space.

For those that travel outside CA often, or even just to Havasu, the couple grand cost of the tank up front will pay for itself in just a few years of trips.

My new ram has a 50 gallon fuel tank average driving I get about 1000 miles per tank, towing knocks it down to about 600

 

[Boat 405]

That's true on both counts, it's just a rule of thumb, and diesels are better than gas.

Large scale commercial power generation is WAYYYYYY more efficient than small motor generation. They pull as much energy as possible from the process, they do this mainly by using the exhaust to pre-heat the water as it comes in, and any residual heat exiting the steam turbine. Probably around twice as efficient in capturing heat energy than your car.

No questions there. Coal, gas turbine and nuclear are very efficient processes