Prescott Bear Attack, One Dead

[Cdog]

Train
&
Carry what you train with.

Hand cannon won’t do shit if you can’t operate it proficiently under pressure

 

[Blackmagic94]

S&W 500 MAGNUM with 700 grain projectile is my preferred deterrent. 500 mag beside 44 mag cartridge pic for comparison. View attachment 1243250 View attachment 1243251 View attachment 1243252

Holy ouch. I’ve shot 500 grain out the snub .500 they don’t make anymore and that would be awful.

I went .44 mag for the idea that I can get a second shot off and double my odds of making a hit. The super magnums make a lot of assumptions that you will connect that one rounds

 

[Jonas Grumby]

Holy ouch. I’ve shot 500 grain out the snub .500 they don’t make anymore and that would be awful.

I went .44 mag for the idea that I can get a second shot off and double my odds of making a hit. The super magnums make a lot of assumptions that you will connect that one rounds

Ya, you better hit what your aiming for, because you don’t want to take that second shot,,,lol

 

[Cdog]

G20 supported & unsupported chamber. This is an issue with 40’s too. But 10mm has a large range of pressures based on load & purposes.

 

[clarence]

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[dave29]

We had a woman killed and partially eaten by a mother and cubs about 2 years ago. She was walking her dogs. Happened about three miles south of us.
Wildlife officer put down the bears including the cubs. Sad deal all around.
When walking I carry bear spray unless it's windy at which time I carry a piece.

 

[4Waters]

If I missed his post I'm sorry but I would like to hear what @Skinny Tire AH has to say on this subject

 

[Taboma]

I wouldn't be surprised, brown bear had a historical range that stretched as far south as Sonora Mexico. They were hunted to extinction in the southern areas of their range around the turn of the 20th Century.

If memory serves the last brown bear killed in Colorado was taken west of Telluride in the 1910's sometime. There are reported sightings every once in a while, but nothing definitive, and these are usually chalked up to very large Cinnamon colored black bears.

The last Grizzly killed in Orange County California --- The very last of Orange County’s grizzlies – a trouble-making elderly female, misleadingly nicknamed “Little Black Bear” – was shot by local pioneer Ed Adkinson (with assistance from Andrew Joplin) somewhere above Holy Jim Canyon in 1908. The bear’s skin was displayed in the window of Turner’s Shoe Store in Downtown Santa Ana before being sent to the Smithsonian, along with the bear’s skull. (Turner’s was located at 121 W. 4th St. The display window faced Sycamore St. where Pizza Press is today in the Rankin Building. And yes, that’s only a few yards from the spot where Francisco Torres had been lynched, 16 years earlier.)

The credit for the excerpt from this article and other intriguing stories of Orange County History goes to Mr. Jim Sleeper, gone but not forgotten.
His OC History blog is filled with fascinating stories of OC history, as an OC native I'd never heard about.
I know many here on RDP either are or were residents of "The OC", so if you're up for reading some entertaining and even surprising local history visit Mr Sleepers blog which is currently being continued quite admirably by Mr. Chris Jepsen.

Spare a thought for Orange County’s bears

California grizzly (taxidermied) on display at the Old Orange County Courthouse in 2010 (Photo by author) For the modern Orange Countian – ...

ochistorical.blogspot.com

 

[was thatguy]

I carry a big canister of bear spray in the side door of my car, but it’s mostly for non lethal urban encounters should one arise

I can’t imagine a human would enjoy getting hit with bear spray

Always buy bear spray even for protection against all the walking zombies out there. It is way stronger than the regular pepper spray they push.

Who told you that?
Bear spray is usually less potent.
A bears sense of smell is like 2000 times more sensitive than a human.
It’s 7 times more sensitive than the average bloodhound.
A bear can smell you 20 miles away in the right conditions. Their nose is a miracle of nature.
It takes almost nothing to fuck their nose up.
I’d double check the numbers on whatever you’re buying, because unless things have changed since I last bought pepper spray for my daughters to have, human defense spray is much stronger than bear spray.

 

[4Waters]

Who told you that?
Bear spray is usually less potent.
A bears sense of smell is like 2000 times more sensitive than a human.
It’s 7 times more sensitive than the average bloodhound.
A bear can smell you 20 miles away in the right conditions. Their nose is a miracle of nature.
It takes almost nothing to fuck their nose up.
I’d double check the numbers on whatever you’re buying, because unless things have changed since I last bought pepper spray for my daughters to have, human defense spray is much stronger than bear spray.

This is what I found but this is just one brand, you might be correct on others but what you said does make sense.

The strength of pepper spray is determined by measuring the Major Capsaicinoids level, which are a better indicator of heat than oleoresin capsicum percentages as they measure the strength of the entire formula. Oleoresin Capsicum, on the other hand, only measures the amount of raw pepper in the formula. Our pepper sprays range from 1.0% (Dog Spray) Major Capsaicinoids to 1.33% (Human Spray) while our Bear Sprays measure 2.0% Major Capsaicinoids.

https://www.sabrered.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/#:~:text=Which%20is%20More%20Effective%20%2D%20Bear,much%20more%20potent%20and%20effective.

 

[Paradox]

S&W 500 MAGNUM with 700 grain projectile is my preferred deterrent. 500 mag beside 44 mag cartridge pic for comparison. View attachment 1243250 View attachment 1243251 View attachment 1243252

I had the same gun for a while. Even 500 gr. rounds are massive. Actually hurt my hands when firing it.

Easier to do it with 3” slug shots out of this.

 

[Luvnlife]

Who told you that?
Bear spray is usually less potent.
A bears sense of smell is like 2000 times more sensitive than a human.
It’s 7 times more sensitive than the average bloodhound.
A bear can smell you 20 miles away in the right conditions. Their nose is a miracle of nature.
It takes almost nothing to fuck their nose up.
I’d double check the numbers on whatever you’re buying, because unless things have changed since I last bought pepper spray for my daughters to have, human defense spray is much stronger than bear spray.

I read it on the internet.

 

[Luvnlife]

This is what I found but this is just one brand, you might be correct on others but what you said does make sense.

The strength of pepper spray is determined by measuring the Major Capsaicinoids level, which are a better indicator of heat than oleoresin capsicum percentages as they measure the strength of the entire formula. Oleoresin Capsicum, on the other hand, only measures the amount of raw pepper in the formula. Our pepper sprays range from 1.0% (Dog Spray) Major Capsaicinoids to 1.33% (Human Spray) while our Bear Sprays measure 2.0% Major Capsaicinoids.

https://www.sabrered.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray/#:~:text=Which%20is%20More%20Effective%20%2D%20Bear,much%20more%20potent%20and%20effective.

Interesting

 

[Paradox]

Holy ouch. I’ve shot 500 grain out the snub .500 they don’t make anymore and that would be awful.

I went .44 mag for the idea that I can get a second shot off and double my odds of making a hit. The super magnums make a lot of assumptions that you will connect that one rounds

I replaced mine with the large frame (8 round) smith 357. They make powerful ammo for it and you can hold a target for multiple rounds. Anything bigger and I find myself having to reacquire.

 

[was thatguy]

Interesting

It is interesting.

2% is the legal limit for that chemical.
But this faq states that it’s less effective on humans than “pepper spray”?
https://www.officialtop5review.com/best-bear-sprays/#:~:text=Bear%20spray%20isn’t%20stronger%20than%20pepper%20spray%2C%20but%20it’s%20more%20effective%20at%20deterring%20bears%20than%20pepper%20spray%20is.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Wasp spray was my normal door carry security in Baja. Extra credit if you could get the lighter sparked for a spicy additional deterrent.

We keep Bear spray handy in the door on both sides of the truck, it is handy, for grabbing when we need it. I don't feel like we would use bear spray on a human, but perhaps I would if other forms of self-defense were not legal in my state.

 

[Cdog]

I had the same gun for a while. Even 500 gr. rounds are massive. Actually hurt my hands when firing it.

Easier to do it with 3” slug shots out of this. View attachment 1243520

In this guys case he would have likely never been able to access this rifle in a way to get off a shot at the bear. I’m a “handgun is a tool to fight to a better weapon” guy but being attacked by a bear is like a knife fight. Up close & personal

 

[Luvnlife]

It is interesting.

2% is the legal limit for that chemical.
But this faq states that it’s less effective on humans than “pepper spray”?
https://www.officialtop5review.com/best-bear-sprays/#:~:text=Bear%20spray%20isn’t%20stronger%20than%20pepper%20spray%2C%20but%20it’s%20more%20effective%20at%20deterring%20bears%20than%20pepper%20spray%20is.

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And we’re off

 

[4Waters]

And we’re off
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[Outdrive1]

And we’re off
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Great, another topic we can beat to death!

 

[Luvnlife]

Great, another topic we can beat to death!

Exactly something that has nothing to do with boating, something that most of the people on here don’t use including myself, and won’t effect most of the people on here in any way Carry a 44 mag or bigger people

 

[4Waters]

Exactly something that has nothing to do with boating, something that most of the people on here don’t use including myself, and won’t effect most of the people on here in any way Carry a 44 mag or bigger people

Lol. It is informative and you never know when this information might be useful.

 

[was thatguy]

I’m not arguing any of it.
I said “unless things have changed” and apparently they have changed…or at least the marketing has.
I dont use any of it anyway.
We laugh at people with bear spray, and usually at their “dinner bells” hanging on their Cabella vest as well!
My bear spray is 00 buck and .50 slugs alternating.
And .44 mag for the win.

 

[Outdrive1]

Back to 44mag. Mine is single action, realistically I’m getting maybe 1 shot off, I’ve always been a good shot, but I don’t know if I could hit a charging bear. Honestly, I’m probably gonna die if a bear is charging me, that’s the reality. I like how someone said to shoot your friend in the leg so the bear will eat him instead.

 

[4Waters]

Back to 44mag. Mine is single action, realistically I’m getting maybe 1 shot off, I’ve always been a good shot, but I don’t know if I could hit a charging bear. Honestly, I’m probably gonna die if a bear is charging me, that’s the reality. I like how someone said to shoot your friend in the leg so the bear will eat him instead.

Well I'm not a fast runner so I'm definitely gonna have to shoot my buddy

 

[was thatguy]

“You don’t have to be the fastest, just second slowest…”

 

[was thatguy]

Exactly something that has nothing to do with boating, something that most of the people on here don’t use including myself, and won’t effect most of the people on here in any way Carry a 44 mag or bigger people

Um…this thread was about a bear attack.
But I am in agreement with weapons over chemical.

 

[evantwheeler]

Then again my buddy got a grizz, polar and a kodiak with a bow and was unarmed.. nuts.

What a bad ass. Probably no higher thrill in life than getting that close to an apex predator with nothing but a bow, and coming out alive. He probably doesnt waste time on internet forums arguing about what hand cannon or aerosol spray is best for an encounter with a bear.

 

[whiteworks]

Here’s my thought on bear spray in the door of the truck, if pookie gets out of line at the gas station he’s getting a face full of bear spray to start, as well those big canisters spray pretty far. Not every threat needs to be terminated, some just need to be fucked up a bit

 

[2Driver]

What a bad ass. Probably no higher thrill in life than getting that close to an apex predator with nothing but a bow, and coming out alive. He probably doesnt waste time on internet forums arguing about what hand cannon or aerosol spray is best for a encounter with a bear.

LOL true.

I think I’m guilty of starting all this saying I carry a 40 in AZ. Then the “if you don’t have at least a Napalm shooting Sherman tank you might as well rub yourself with bacon grease and get it over with” crowd entered the room.

 

[mjc]

Here’s my thought on bear spray in the door of the truck, if pookie gets out of line at the gas station he’s getting a face full of bear spray to start, as well those big canisters spray pretty far. Not every threat needs to be terminated, some just need to be fucked up a bit

this' bear spray sprays farther. I don't have any yet but will be getting some for my jeep and Rv.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Edit, sorry you gotta go to YouTube, but it is worth it. Fascinating watching these two bears fight for almost ten minutes.

 

[RiverDave]

If nobody was there how do we know he was not harassing the bear?

If the neighbors didn’t have a clear shot he wasn’t by himself

 

[4Waters]

Edit, sorry you gotta go to YouTube, but it is worth it. Fascinating watching these two bears fight for almost ten minutes.

That's insane and why I do what I can to stay out of areas where my place in the food chain drops

 

[77charger]

G20 supported & unsupported chamber. This is an issue with 40’s too. But 10mm has a large range of pressures based on load & purposes.

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I know with a supported barrel I could reload a little hotter. I’m already hot now with 180s but know the limits from measuring shot cases expansion at the unsupported area on my stock barrel. I can do 14.6 of aa9 powder at most right now this is before smiley territory.

My normal load for just shooting is 13.3 grains of powder.

 

[RiverDave]

Well I'm not a fast runner so I'm definitely gonna have to shoot my buddy

I am crippled so you guys already know my plan if we have a bear randomly enter an rdp party..

 

[pronstar]

This guy was literally just attacked by a grizzly, and somehow survived

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I worked with a guy who was out with his buddy elk hunting in Wyoming - a bear came up behind and grabbed him and had him in a bear hug. As soon as the bear grabbed him his buddy took off running for his life leaving this guy with the bear. As the bear grabbed him he dropped his rifle and had his arms pinned by his sides. He thought he was dead right there, just waiting for the bear to rip his head off. He happened to look down and saw the bear’s genitals by his right hand. He figured he was going to die anyway, why the hell not? He grabbed the bears wang and started stroking it. He could feel it getting erect, so kept stroking it. As he was stroking it he could feel the bear starting to loosen his grip, so he kept going. Finally the bear loosened his grip enough that he could break free, when he did he just kept running for his life knowing that the bear could surely out run him and catch him. He ran until he had no strength left and just collapsed and fell to the ground. As he laid on the ground he kept waiting for the bear to attack him. After laying still for what seemed to be an eternity he lifted his head and didn’t see the bear anywhere. He got up very slowly and looked back about a quarter mile down the trail and he sees the bear just standing there waving his big ass bear arm and paw almost saying “come on back, come on back”.




That’s total bullshit, it’s an old joke - but it sucked you in though.

Ding Ding Ding..... post of the day right there.

 

[arch stanton]

I know with a supported barrel I could reload a little hotter. I’m already hot now with 180s but know the limits from measuring shot cases expansion at the unsupported area on my stock barrel. I can do 14.6 of aa9 powder at most right now this is before smiley territory.

My normal load for just shooting is 13.3 grains of powder.

There is a conversion called the Rowland 460 that is a 45 ACP case that is a 1/16 longer but case is thicker to handle the increased pressure and they are loaded pretty dam hot, the kit costs about 300$ for a 1911 but the have kits for the Glock 21 and others and you can shoot standard 45 ACP in the conversion barrel
and since you reload hear is some of there load data they also sell pre loaded for those that don't reload sorry for the pic quality

 

[Nanu/Nanu]

Wait i thought I said Chino Valley was bad news bears!

I have a feeling there's more to this story than what meets the eye.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Google must know I like researching bears because it offered a bear density map.

Our area in Montana has about 40 Grizzly bears per 250,000 acres, stretching down to Missoula.
Yellowstone/Grand Teton seems about the same density.
Kodiak Island AK, has about 175 Grizzly bears per 250,000 acres for perspective.

Each Grizzly bear needs over 200 square miles of territory.

 

[4Waters]

This guy was literally just attacked by a grizzly, and somehow survived

The spray probably saved his life, I figure the bear was really uncomfortable and retreated because of the unknown.

 

[77charger]

There is a conversion called the Rowland 460 that is a 45 ACP case that is a 1/16 longer but case is thicker to handle the increased pressure and they are loaded pretty dam hot, the kit costs about 300$ for a 1911 but the have kits for the Glock 21 and others and you can shoot standard 45 ACP in the conversion barrel
and since you reload hear is some of there load data they also sell pre loaded for those that don't reload sorry for the pic quality
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Yes seen those and if i saw it sooner i would have just dont that for my 1911 vs buying the 10mm.Some impressive results i guess its reason to get another 1911 though.

 

[endobear]

We get lots of black bears at my place. Mountain lion also.
They are a pain. Broken into my wife's car.
Blew the door jamb out on my garage man door to get in for a bag of dog food.

My rotties would tree them regularly.

Some of the bigger ones would get tired of their nonsense and climb down to stand their ground. My dogs new to get the hell back.
I'll zap them with some rubber buck shot and they will stay away for little while.

 

[PlanB]

There is a conversion called the Rowland 460 that is a 45 ACP case that is a 1/16 longer but case is thicker to handle the increased pressure and they are loaded pretty dam hot, the kit costs about 300$ for a 1911 but the have kits for the Glock 21 and others and you can shoot standard 45 ACP in the conversion barrel
and since you reload hear is some of there load data they also sell pre loaded for those that don't reload sorry for the pic quality
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Interesting. My G21 sits in my safe unused. Might be a good option for w woods gun.

 

[Nanu/Nanu]

We get lots of black bears at my place. Mountain lion also.
They are a pain. Broken into my wife's car.
Blew the door jamb out on my garage man door to get in for a bag of dog food.

Just had to add in the part about the black bear breaking in to your wifes car didn't ya!

 

[hallett21]

S&W 500 MAGNUM with 700 grain projectile is my preferred deterrent. 500 mag beside 44 mag cartridge pic for comparison. View attachment 1243250 View attachment 1243251 View attachment 1243252

Does your hand break every time you fire?

 

[Jonas Grumby]

Does your hand break every time you fire?

No, but you know it’s one bad mo-fo.

 

[poncho]

Years ago we anchored up for a day next to a small island. When I checked out the beach I saw several bouys and decided to jump in the skiff and go collect some, going for about $80 a piece back then.
Took the deck boss and off we went, I stayed close to the skiff but the deck boss headed down the beach.

When we got back to the boat the crew said get up to the wheelhouse, Captain says look at where you were and hands me binoculars.

There were 2 of them, I had better pictures at one time.

Captain said as we were pulling away from the beach they were trotting down the hill and everyone in the wheelhouse was shitting their pants.

 

[Paradox]