Pitbulls KILL 2 YEAR OLD

[rivermobster]

Well then let's start seeing owners get locked up. I have not read thru all these pages, but a babysitter's 2 pitbulls also killed a child other day. When a child gets mauled there is negligence somewhere. Parents can go to jail for kids missing school for crying out loud....Saying these events are terrible accidents is nonsense.

This. ^^^

 

[Nordie]

Me and the wife are starting to discuss children, I also have 3 dobermans, I always keep it in the back of my mind that this might not mix. However my friends bring their kids over and the dogs will not leave their side. To the point my pup, 2 years old, let my 4 year old neice walk him around on a leash and he stayed in exact stride with her, if it was me holding the leash that bastard would try to drag me somewhere.

I got a new neighbor about a month ago and he mentioned, so you got dobermans, so yesterday I brought my pup over to meet him, he brought his chocolate lab out, and they ended up playing for 2 hours, as I drug cash home he kept stopping and looking back at the neighbors house, like he didn't want play time to end.

When I have bbq's at the house I let the kids go into my bedroom to watch movies or play xbox or whatever and my oldest dobie camps out in there and just watches them, they could hang off of her and she wouldnt care at all.

A dog is only as good as its owner.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Here are the facts according to the CDC regarding dog bites in the U.S.


1. According to hospital records in 1994, more than 16,000 people were bitten or attacked by dogs that year; none of which were fatal but a good 6% of the victims needed one or more forms of reconstructive surgery. In 2001, that number rose to an estimate of about 80,000 people nationwide, and 22% of the those needed extensive hospitalization and reconstructive surgery. And from that 22%, one-third of the victims were children 7 years and younger. Infants or children who have yet learned to walk are the most vulnerable, constituting almost all of the cases of the victims who were under 7 years of age.

2. Pit Bulls have the most notorious reputation for biting people. In 2005, it is estimated that about 82% of all the dog attacks in the country were from this breed or from Pit Bull crossbreeds. This number may have been partly due to the fact that the population of Pit Bulls as home pets is also on the rise. Experts are estimating about 3 million to 10 million registered and unregistered Pit Bulls are now living in the country.

3. Other known dog breeds that have a lengthy record of dog bites and attacks are: Akitas, Alaskan Malamutes, Chow Chows, Doberman Pinschers, German Shepherds, Great Danes, Huskies, Rottweilers, and Saint Bernards. Rottweilers rank the second most dangerous dog in the CDC's list after the Pitt Bull.

end CDC, begin FBT

So, it seems pretty apparent the problem with the breed is growing. 82% is a pretty big margin.
It seems obvious since both the number of Pit Bulls in the country is growing that more people want the dog for whatever reason. It also seems apparent that SOME of those people should not be allowed to own a dog of any kind.
They probably shouldn't be allowed to procreate, either, but that is another story.
The problem we have is that the issues inherent to the breed are compounded by SOME of the owners, who are not the type that are going to have homeowners or renters insurance in the first place...
I don't know what the answer is.
Children dying tells me there is a problem, tho. Banning the breed?
Our government has done much crazier things.
I can certainly see a viable argument for it based on these statistics alone.
I live out in the country, and we have occasional problems with packs or single dogs annoying and or harassing livestock, which is a violation of the law. Three years ago I had two chow/pit mixes go after two steers I had.
I shot one of them. One of the steers about took the head off the other with a kick. Sent it about 20 ft. in the air, it was dead when it hit the ground.
The owner, when I found him, wanted to make an issue of it. He lived two miles away as the crow flies and didn't have a fenced yard. He liked to "let his dogs enjoy the freedom" of "living in the country".
I explained it to him. He was a blow-hard, which didn't surprise me.
I've told my wife ANY dog that comes on this property that she doesn't recognize and comes anywhere near our grandkids, our livestock, or our dogs (always restrained on the deck or a cable run) she is free to shoot.
May the Good Lord help the owner of any dog that comes on this 11 acres and goes after one of my family members.
Cause he is gonna need it.

 

[PVHCA]

My case in point FBT, the PIT breed is jacked up and yes of course some owners contribute to that as well but IMO and per the facts FBT just shared the dog has a much higher rate of biting than any other.

 

[Hammer]

My case in point FBT, the PIT breed is jacked up and yes of course some owners contribute to that as well but IMO and per the facts FBT just shared the dog has a much higher rate of biting than any other.

I agree with you on this. :thumbup:

 

[whiteworks]

I'd be willing to bet good money the majority of these incidents have taken place in the hood.

 

[Andy B.]

Me and the wife are starting to discuss children, I also have 3 dobermans, I always keep it in the back of my mind that this might not mix. However my friends bring their kids over and the dogs will not leave their side. To the point my pup, 2 years old, let my 4 year old neice walk him around on a leash and he stayed in exact stride with her, if it was me holding the leash that bastard would try to drag me somewhere.

I got a new neighbor about a month ago and he mentioned, so you got dobermans, so yesterday I brought my pup over to meet him, he brought his chocolate lab out, and they ended up playing for 2 hours, as I drug cash home he kept stopping and looking back at the neighbors house, like he didn't want play time to end.

When I have bbq's at the house I let the kids go into my bedroom to watch movies or play xbox or whatever and my oldest dobie camps out in there and just watches them, they could hang off of her and she wouldnt care at all.

A dog is only as good as its owner.

This thread should be closed with this statement!!! 100% true!!!!!Just like some people should not be allowed to have kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup

 

[stephenkatsea]

Sorry AB, not closed yet. I remain amazed at friends, otherwise very responsible people - not slum dwellers, who totally fail to reprimand their dog(s) (previously identified as an aggressive breed - DPs) when they obviously show aggressive behavior. It usually comes off as, "Oh, she was just talking. Or, she was upset because of (?)". What a Total Bunch of BS ! Next time they'll be attempting to pry her jaws off another dog or a child. Dog ownership can be a joy and IS a Responsibility ! Period.

 

[Hammer]

A dog is only as good as its owner.

I think the Staffordshire Terrier (pit bull) is an exception to this statement. IMO their minds are wired a little differently than ALL other breeds. Some are docile and sweet, and others are assholes from birth just like some humans. I think its a chemical make up of some of the pit bulls.

Sometimes you just can't change their mentality, I for one wasn't going to risk another dogs life/ well being to attempt to train Parker. Even though one friend offered.

I'm curious how some of you guys would attempt to train a dog you own that develops an aggressive behavior after a year or two after already being trained well. Basically walks around slowly just sniffing another dog, then attacks going straight for the kill within seconds.

What would you do to train it not to be that way anymore ?

 

[was thatguy]

I hate these threads too.
But I have to, unfortunately, agree with the OP.

Having said that, I also agree with the counterpoint.

It's all theory and opinion until you SEE the grease spot and bits of meat that used to be an infant

Years ago I worked in a machine shop in Anchorage. The back space was leased by a gentle giant of a man named Charlie. GOOD old boy who campaigned a Nova in division 7 and ran a mechanic shop.
"The Arkansas Traveler".

His boy was a dick. Huge kid.
Today he would be a flat biller/ tap out wearing/ mma baggy shorts wearing wanna be.

He had the required 120#+ pit bull.
Ears cropped, tail cut etc.
the son wanted that dog to be intimidating and hair triggered and it was.

One day Charlie got a frantic call from his son and raced out of his shop.
Minutes later my boss got a frantic call from Charlie.
He couldn't understand him but something was terribly wrong at the sons house.
We jumped in a truck a raced over there to find an Ocean of cops.
Charlie on a gurney and the son in hysterics.
We thought it was a home invasion.
We went to the front door and saw the blood stain, the meat, the baby clothes fragments just inside the door where the dog had ripped the sons one year old baby to shreds and eaten most of it.

We saw the dog dead where the son had shot it on the floor.

That dog was at least 2-3 years old.
It had known that baby since it was born, about a year.
I had seen it many times with the baby, I had seen it lick that baby before.

Yeah, any dog is capable of killing a child.
A pit is capable of killing near anything up to twice its size pretty easy.

When you have a dog and a child there is a risk.
When you have a pit and a child you are playing with fire.

When you have 5 pits in an enclosure you had better make god damned sure there is NO WAY for ANYTHING to get in or out....EVER.

Pits will go "pack mode" at the drop of a hat.

I will never own another pit. (I've had a few, as well as a huge Doby and a Chow)
The risk and liability is too great.

 

[Nordie]

One more thing, Hammer already pointed it out, but pit bull is not a breed. They are terriers.

 

[IinsureU]

Exactly how many more of these same stories do we have to hear before something changes ?? You don't hear of packs of Alaskan Huskies, Akitas, German Shepards, Doberman's, Bulldogs and so on attacking and killing kids, elderly folks, regular folks and so on. I have a Norfolk Terrier (all 20 lbs of him) and he ain't gonna be attacking anything anytime soon, solo or otherwise...

 

[DrHW]

Hearts go out to the Family of the child. What a waste.

 

[jman]

One more thing, Hammer already pointed it out, but pit bull is not a breed. They are terriers.

This. The terrier breeds were developed to hunt and kill. All dogs will kill to eat, but terriers as well as some other breeds have been bred to kill as 'job'. That's why these dogs exist. It's just recently that people have decided these dogs make good house pets. People have to realize that all terriers have the instinct to kill bred into them. I've fostered a few for a local rescue and while they have all been decent dogs, I'd never trust them around children or smaller pets.
I don't mean to single terriers or pits out. People always seem shocked when their golden retriever bites somebody. Well no shit. For years and years they were bred as a hunting dog. Twenty or thirty years for breeding for the traits that people want in a companion dog doesn't get rid of that hunting instinct. People need to realize that many of the 'cool' breeds of dog were never meant to be house pets.
While upbringing and training can help, a dog's instincts can take over at any time. My bull mastiffs have always been gentle, loving dogs. Hell one of them 'adopted' a two week old kitten. The cat thinks it's dog now. But I'd never leave the dog outside when I wasn't home. They have a strong instinct to protect their home and 'family' and while they are bred not to bite, they will corner/pin something they deem to be threat. Before anyone goes and fires up google, I know that there was a case of a bull mastiff killing a young kid in the news not that long ago. There's also recent cases of labs doing the same. Any and all breeds can be deadly, it's just some more so than others.

 

[DtB]

You're fuckin a right all breeds will maul a kid Phil.. To think otherwise is completely misinformed.

Yeah, There was an article about a Chihauha mauling two offense lineman from the Denver Broncos the other day the article stated that the lineman were drunk and teased the dog

 

[welldigger00]

These are first world problems. In other parts of the world, children get eaten by snakes, lions, gators, hippo's, velociraptors, and serial killers. The point is, keep an eye on your children. When did accountability become everyone else's problem?


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[Cajun]

 

[PVHCA]

The child's grandmother and uncle are in jail on $100K bail charged with some type of homicide, all 5 PITS were put down yesterday.

Riverside County has made it a misdemeanor for all PIT owners that don't have their dogs spayed before they hit 5 months.

It's very apparent this type of dog is a main problem with dog attacks, mauling, biting etc, if this wasn't the case then a lot more dog types would have the same types of restrictions.

 

[Andy B.]

Sorry AB, not closed yet. I remain amazed at friends, otherwise very responsible people - not slum dwellers, who totally fail to reprimand their dog(s) (previously identified as an aggressive breed - DPs) when they obviously show aggressive behavior. It usually comes off as, "Oh, she was just talking. Or, she was upset because of (?)". What a Total Bunch of BS ! Next time they'll be attempting to pry her jaws off another dog or a child. Dog ownership can be a joy and IS a Responsibility ! Period.

Exactly FAILED TO REPRIMAND!! Not a responsible owner, like I he said the dog is only as good as the owner..I see what you are saying every day, I agree with you.

 

[rivergames]

I have a French Mastiff and love him like family. No way in hell I would trust him around kids though. I don't trust any animal around kids. No way to tell what is going on in a animals head. A kids life is far more important than a dog

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Honestly, I think people should have the freedom to have whatever dog they want. However, if that dog is in a full on run towards me or my child, I should have the freedom to pull out my 44 mag and put it down before it hurts anyone. Oh, oops, our gun rights are just about to be taken away. I guess in Komifornia, we will not have any freedoms soon?

I just choose not to have a dog breed, type or whatever you want to call it, that is known to bite and maul. Why take the chance with my child? It's not worth it! I don't know about the rest of you, but once the child came, I could have done without the dogs period. If it wasn't for the wife, they would be gone. I only really care to have a dog to retrieve my dead bird.

 

[RiverDave]

It's very apparent this type of dog is a main problem with dog attacks, mauling, biting etc, if this wasn't the case then a lot more dog types would have the same types of restrictions.

Except Phil... Every single K-9 EXPERT in the free world disagrees with you. Lol. So there is that?

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Except Phil... Every single K-9 EXPERT in the free world disagrees with you. Lol. So there is that?

So would you maintain that there is no greater OVERALL risk in owning a Pit Bull than almost any other breed?

 

[PVHCA]

Except Phil... Every single K-9 EXPERT in the free world disagrees with you. Lol. So there is that?

Ya OK, probably the most stupid comment you have ever made. Rd your not an expert in this field because you have owned a Pit, but since you popped post your proof from these K9 experts, since I'm sure you have those connects, LOL!!

So would you maintain that there is no greater OVERALL risk in owning a Pit Bull than almost any other breed?

Don't disagree or argue with RD!! :rolleyes

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Ya OK, probably the most stupid comment you have ever made. Rd your not an expert in this field because you have owned a Pit, but since you popped post your proof from these K9 experts, since I'm sure you have those connects, LOL!!



Don't disagree or argue with RD!! :rolleyes

I'm actually just trying to understand his position on this.

I wouldn't hesitate to allow my child (if I had any) to own and play with a Red Eared aquarium turtle but I'm damn sure not bringing a 60 lb. Snapping Turtle into the house.
Sure they can both bite, the Red Ear might even sting a little but the Snapping Turtle will take a hand off.

That's an extreme example but in reality not that different.

 

[PVHCA]

I'm actually just trying to understand his position on this.

I wouldn't hesitate to allow my child (if I had any) to own and play with a Red Eared aquarium turtle but I'm damn sure not bringing a 60 lb. Snapping Turtle into the house.
Sure they can both bite, the Red Ear might even sting a little but the Snapping Turtle will take a hand off.

That's an extreme example but in reality not that different.

I was being sarcastic.

RD has his opinion on this and isn't gonna sway at all even though the facts are so opposite his opinions.

 

[RiverDave]

So would you maintain that there is no greater OVERALL risk in owning a Pit Bull than almost any other breed?

I would maintain that I would much rather have a pitbull in my home then a german shepard or a rottie, or several other large breed dogs that would be incredibly "difficult" to contain if they got their switch flipped.. People can talk about how pitbulls get in this zone and you can't get them off etc. I'd rather contend with a 55 lb dog then a 150lb dog.

As for the rest, stats can be read any # of ways.. Above I read 82% of dog bites are pitbulls.. (not true btw) You have to wonder how many kids got bit by smaller animals that weren't reported.. You have to factor in that in modern times just about anything is considered a pitbull or a "pit mix" which gets filed under that stat. etc.. etc..

If you look at the dog experts, if you goto the AKC sites, if you look at the temperament statistics as judged by EXPERTS IN THE FIELDS not idiots that are paid to sell newspapers on headlines and shock value, you would quickly find out that just about everything most people believe about the breed is actually BACKWARDS..

In this thread - Pitbulls were bred to kill.
Truth - Pitbulls are THE ONLY BREED OF DOG THAT WAS BRED TO NEVER BITE A HUMAN. During the fight days if a dog bit a person it was killed immediately.

In this thread - Pitbulls should not be around children.
Truth - In the blood sport days a fight dog would weigh in at a whopping 20-25 lbs.. The modern day pit is between 40 - 60 lbs. The dogs were bred with other larger breeds (you're gonna love this) to run along the side of wagon trains of the pioneers coming out west. They were bred larger to fend off Mountain lions and other predators and to PROTECT CHILDREN IN THE WILDERNESS..

It's amazing how quickly media can change peoples perceptions and re-write history.. Remember the little Rascals? Their dog was a pitbull. The fact is they are a "working" breed, and they need a job, just like all other working breeds. Their sole purpose in life is to do what ever it is you tell them to do, and Pit's have a lot of "game" in them, so they will do what ever that is until their dead without question and without hesitation, through pain, and any other distraction you can throw at them.

They are 2nd from the bottom on the list of dogs most likely to ever bite a human from the AKC.

You get these guys and their buddy had a pit and it.. Or "I owned a pit and..." They aren't dog trainers, they do not understand why a dog acted out?

IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE READ THIS..

Instead of being ignorant and saying "It's a breed of dog" etc.. Be smart enough to know that it's an animal. You can train ANY ANIMAL TO DO ANYTHING. People have tigers jumping through hoops of fire.. People train bears to ride tricycles.. Now sometimes that bear will jump off the tricycle and eat the monkey as we all saw in China not to long ago.. But they didn't say the problem was the bear. They said the problem was not enough training.

If your dog acts like an asshole, it's most likely because you're applying "human logic" to an animal that doesn't have it. Animals in particular dogs understand one thing. Pack mentality and who's in charge/alpha. I got bad news for 95% of the people on this board, if you're dog is walking in front of you on a leash? It thinks it's in charge, and at some point when you own that dog it's going to make a decision you disagree with.

I'm not Cesar Milan, but if nothing else I think he has proved better then anyone in history.. Don't use human logic on a dog. How does he have an entire pack of pitbulls getting along with bobo's, all running together off a leash etc.. etc.. He has found a way to become the alpha without having to battle the dog. It's exceptionally civilized and a science..

To the rest of the world, and even in America historically.. Alpha is simple. That dog does something stupid, you let it know quick like that if it ever does it again, it's gonna die on the spot. If they "know" that (not think it) they'll never do it again, and will follow you to the ends of the earth through fire if necessary.

RD

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I would maintain that I would much rather have a pitbull in my home then a german shepard or a rottie, or several other large breed dogs that would be incredibly "difficult" to contain if they got their switch flipped.. People can talk about how pitbulls get in this zone and you can't get them off etc. I'd rather contend with a 55 lb dog then a 150lb dog.

RD

Somewhat of a non-answer.

 

[Riverbound]

Rotties are bad news. How anyone could have one in their home is beyond me.

 

[RiverDave]

Somewhat of a non-answer.

I got trigger happy on it, and have added quite a bit to the post..

In my mind it doesn't matter if it's a golden retriever or a tiger.. If something happens I don't care who's fault it is, it's your fault.

The Nigerians are using Hiyena's and Baboon's for pets, guard dogs, and attack dogs.. LOL

http://woondu.com/the-nigerian-hyena-men-do-you-want-a-good-guarddog/

RD

 

[pronstar]

When someone gets shot, do you blame the gun or the asshole with the gun?
When someone gets bitten by a dog, do you blame the dog or the dog's owner?
To me, these statements should elicit the same reply.


Most would blame the asshole with the gun.
But half of us say the dog, half say the dog's owner.
I see a disconnect here...

 

[Hammer]

Rotties are bad news. How anyone could have one in their home is beyond me.

Lol any recent pics of Duney ?

RD made a comment that hasn't really been talked about as far as dogs and breeds go....

There is something to be said about the lineage of your dog and knowing its parents. I think getting any breed from a AKC breeder is the way to go. I will do much more research on my next dogs heritage and breeders.

Didn't you do some research before picking up Duney as well as your previous rotties RB ?

 

[MissB]

I liked your post Hamms about your experience. And truthfully I'll never own an american bulldog, pit bull type again. My parent's had an AM and it was nuts. They ended up putting it down (I know exactly what you mean about "the switch goes off"). Then I go an get one (more like rescued), I HAD SERIOUS trust issue with him in the beginning. But, he's been a peach. I can even get rough with him, and he will play pretty hard, but has NEVER once attempted to bite me. BUT other male dogs... another story. And I truly get nervous when I see other dogs. So we make every attempt at avoiding them. Small dogs, puppies, he just lays downs and wags his tail. But I truly feel that his aggression is a protective, pack mentality. I love him to bits, but he's a big boy and as I get older I want something easier, seems as I AM THE ONE RESPONSIBLE for what my dogs does and how he behaves. I've been on the loosing end, where he has taken on another dog, and it's horrible.

True statement about the lineage.

 

[Riverbound]

Lol any recent pics of Duney ?

RD made a comment that hasn't really been talked about as far as dogs and breeds go....

There is something to be said about the lineage of your dog and knowing its parents. I think getting any breed from a AKC breeder is the way to go. I will do much more research on my next dogs heritage and breeders.

Didn't you do some research before picking up Duney as well as your previous rotties RB ?

95lbs. I searched for months for the right dog and did tons of research.

 

[MissB]

Bill he's gorgeous!!

 

[Riverbound]

Bill she's gorgeous!!

Fixed it

Thanks. I did a lot of searching to find her.

 

[jman]

The statement that pits are responsible for 82% of dog bites is incorrect. They are responsible (per CDC) for 59% of fatal dog bites however. I don't disagree that pits can be great pets. I've fostered enough of them over the past 20 years, some of which were abused and/or used as bait dogs, to see why people like them. Most are decent dogs. Some however are, like any breed can be, bad apples. People have to know what they are getting into with these dogs. Their bite strength and ability to 'clamp down' is almost indescribable. They also have the inbred trait of wanting to do nothing more in life than please their master. Too often these dogs are part of a 'tough guy starter' kit, and not raised the way they need to be which is by someone with powerful breed experience. The rescue I did the foster work for would not place a pit unless the person already had experience in owning one. It's not a beginner's dog.
As someone who's had many pits come through the house over the years, I'd personally never have one (or any other terrier) as a pet if I had children or small animals in the house. I've seen the terrier instinct come out in them way too many times.

 

[Meaney77]

These are first world problems. In other parts of the world, children get eaten by snakes, lions, gators, hippo's, velociraptors, and serial killers. The point is, keep an eye on your children. When did accountability become everyone else's problem?


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Well said!:thumbsup:thumbsup

 

[Meaney77]

I would maintain that I would much rather have a pitbull in my home then a german shepard or a rottie, or several other large breed dogs that would be incredibly "difficult" to contain if they got their switch flipped.. People can talk about how pitbulls get in this zone and you can't get them off etc. I'd rather contend with a 55 lb dog then a 150lb dog.

As for the rest, stats can be read any # of ways.. Above I read 82% of dog bites are pitbulls.. (not true btw) You have to wonder how many kids got bit by smaller animals that weren't reported.. You have to factor in that in modern times just about anything is considered a pitbull or a "pit mix" which gets filed under that stat. etc.. etc..

If you look at the dog experts, if you goto the AKC sites, if you look at the temperament statistics as judged by EXPERTS IN THE FIELDS not idiots that are paid to sell newspapers on headlines and shock value, you would quickly find out that just about everything most people believe about the breed is actually BACKWARDS..

In this thread - Pitbulls were bred to kill.
Truth - Pitbulls are THE ONLY BREED OF DOG THAT WAS BRED TO NEVER BITE A HUMAN. During the fight days if a dog bit a person it was killed immediately.

In this thread - Pitbulls should not be around children.
Truth - In the blood sport days a fight dog would weigh in at a whopping 20-25 lbs.. The modern day pit is between 40 - 60 lbs. The dogs were bred with other larger breeds (you're gonna love this) to run along the side of wagon trains of the pioneers coming out west. They were bred larger to fend off Mountain lions and other predators and to PROTECT CHILDREN IN THE WILDERNESS..

It's amazing how quickly media can change peoples perceptions and re-write history.. Remember the little Rascals? Their dog was a pitbull. The fact is they are a "working" breed, and they need a job, just like all other working breeds. Their sole purpose in life is to do what ever it is you tell them to do, and Pit's have a lot of "game" in them, so they will do what ever that is until their dead without question and without hesitation, through pain, and any other distraction you can throw at them.

They are 2nd from the bottom on the list of dogs most likely to ever bite a human from the AKC.

You get these guys and their buddy had a pit and it.. Or "I owned a pit and..." They aren't dog trainers, they do not understand why a dog acted out?

IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE READ THIS..

Instead of being ignorant and saying "It's a breed of dog" etc.. Be smart enough to know that it's an animal. You can train ANY ANIMAL TO DO ANYTHING. People have tigers jumping through hoops of fire.. People train bears to ride tricycles.. Now sometimes that bear will jump off the tricycle and eat the monkey as we all saw in China not to long ago.. But they didn't say the problem was the bear. They said the problem was not enough training.

If your dog acts like an asshole, it's most likely because you're applying "human logic" to an animal that doesn't have it. Animals in particular dogs understand one thing. Pack mentality and who's in charge/alpha. I got bad news for 95% of the people on this board, if you're dog is walking in front of you on a leash? It thinks it's in charge, and at some point when you own that dog it's going to make a decision you disagree with.

I'm not Cesar Milan, but if nothing else I think he has proved better then anyone in history.. Don't use human logic on a dog. How does he have an entire pack of pitbulls getting along with bobo's, all running together off a leash etc.. etc.. He has found a way to become the alpha without having to battle the dog. It's exceptionally civilized and a science..

To the rest of the world, and even in America historically.. Alpha is simple. That dog does something stupid, you let it know quick like that if it ever does it again, it's gonna die on the spot. If they "know" that (not think it) they'll never do it again, and will follow you to the ends of the earth through fire if necessary.

RD

Well said Dave with some real facts!

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

When someone gets shot, do you blame the gun or the asshole with the gun?
When someone gets bitten by a dog, do you blame the dog or the dog's owner?
To me, these statements should elicit the same reply.


Most would blame the asshole with the gun.
But half of us say the dog, half say the dog's owner.
I see a disconnect here...

That is an absurd comparison.
A gun sitting in a drawer, or on the floor for that matter, has zero ability to act on it's own. It requires the assitance of an asshole.
A dog on the other hand can, and sometimes will, act independant of it's owner/handler and contrary to all training it has had.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I got trigger happy on it, and have added quite a bit to the post..

In my mind it doesn't matter if it's a golden retriever or a tiger.. If something happens I don't care who's fault it is, it's your fault.

RD

Still a non-answer as it relates to my question.
:rolleyes

 

[jman]

That is an absurd comparison.
A gun sitting in a drawer, or on the floor for that matter, has zero ability to act on it's own. It requires the assitance of an asshole.
A dog on the other hand can, and sometimes will, act independant of it's owner/handler and contrary to all training it has had.

Well said. Guns don't get sick, or old, or just cranky. Animals of all types, not just dogs, do. As owners we are or should be 100% liable for any actions of our pets.

 

[pronstar]

As owners we are or should be 100% liable for any actions of our pets.

I know you say you disagree with what I posted, but this statement above makes my point.

What I posted:

When someone gets shot, do you blame the gun or the asshole with the gun?
When someone gets bitten by a dog, do you blame the dog or the dog's owner?
To me, these statements should elicit the same reply.

And you're saying the dog owner is 100% liable for the action of the dog.
How is this different from what I posted?

 

[FOCKER]

HERE IS MY KILLER.

 

[PVHCA]

Well said Dave with some real facts!

Whose facts? RD's? It's all his ramblings

 

[MissB]

HERE IS MY KILLER.

LMAO! Is he/she D) sleeping?

 

[OCMerrill]

OK Here's my story. For some reason I feel I have to share it. It does not have a thing to do with Pitbull's.

I had a Shepard Keeshond mix some 20 years ago that was a nasty fucking dog. Got him a 8 weeks old, took him to dog training classes, took him to the dog parks, work with me, everywhere. Real good looking dog and everybody loved that dude. He was neutered also.

Fast forward about 3 years and that fucker started biting. Little hand or lower leg snaps. You must have provoked him, he didn't mean it, it's not that bad...etc.

One day that fucker, while on the bed with us sleeping, got pissed apparently by me rolling over, lunged up and bit me in the face and would not let go. I punched that fucker in the head as hard as I could, over and over. He was a whopping 60 lbs.

Tough guys that think they can whip a dog, I laugh. I'm a big size fairly strong guy that can tolerate pain w/o panic. It was only my 1st wife hitting him with a clock radio at full cord swing that got me free.

We locked that guy in the bathroom and went to the emergency room.50+ stitches later inside and outside my mouth. Put that dog down the next day. No quarantine, no animal control, I paid a vet and ended him. I still cried at the deal. Stupid. I never hit this dog or nary yelled at him. He was an easily trainable dog. SNAP.

SO WHAT MISS B SAYS: Trust your dog, always, absolutely, NEVER.

So I am now on my second Lab, Somba. She is a big baby but my Yellow Lab just before this one bit a kid while camping back on 2005. I had to put her down immediately but she had serious hip issues and was on a bunch of meds. Mood altering so I was told. The bite was not bad but still and the kid was messing with her, taking her chew bone away, and giving it back kind of shit.

Somba is now 9 and very kind and loyal. I do trust her but the corner of my eye is always on her. There is no way in hell she gets on anyones bed to sleep, PERIOD. That will never go away.

 

[RiverDave]

Still a non-answer as it relates to my question.
:rolleyes

Thought I was pretty clear, but I'll answer it even clearer.. No I do not believe there is a higher risk with that breed of dog, over any other animal. I believe it has more to do with a case by case basis, and generally has more to do with the owner (and lack of knowledge, and or laziness in training) more so then anything else.

RD

 

[RiverDave]

Whose facts? RD's? It's all his ramblings

Phil go do some basic research with the AKC and K-9 Experts..

RD

 

[OCMerrill]

Phil go do some basic research with the AKC and K-9 Experts..

RD

I shared my deal to show it's not only pits that bite. I think every dog breed has the potential.

Also Like MissB said the pack animal deal is very real and a non alpha male will always try and prove he can be alpha male.