Pitbulls KILL 2 YEAR OLD

[460]

His current dog is more sketchy than any Pitbull I have ever met. She decides who's she is sweet and nice to. And I'm not one of those people. I always keep one eye on her.

Most "pits" are in fact muts so your comparison is void

Ain't that the truth. First few times I thought she was going to bite my leg off. Last time she was cool, but I still wouldn't trust her and never will back her in a corner.

With that being said, it's all dogs not just pitbulls .

 

[PVHCA]

Actually Phil the "lock jaw" deal with pitbulls is a myth.. Lol. Anything else?

I've typed what I needed too to get my points across, but I'd love to see more of your fabricated info/numbers if you have time to enlighten all of us on your many areas of expertise.

PVHCA,

You will never convince them of the truth.

Loss and Pain are lessons not learned by any means other than experience.

Like a lot of scenarios, until it hits home. Many people view things through rose colored glasses, that's how they deal with life unfortunately!!!

 

[was thatguy]

His current dog is more sketchy than any Pitbull I have ever met. She decides who's she is sweet and nice to. And I'm not one of those people. I always keep one eye on her.

Most "pits" are in fact muts so your comparison is void

Substitute Irish setter for mut if you wish.

Question stands though.

 

[2Driver]

Seeing the title of this thread every time you log on is focking depressing. Why is this POS still up?

This should be argued over on PitbullsRnicenotheyarent.com

 

[PVHCA]

Seeing the title of this thread every time you log on is focking depressing. Why is this POS still up?

This should be argued over on PitbullsRnicenotheyarent.com

It should stay up if it's getting the proper points across, keeping children safe around any animals.

IMO it's been a very good thread with a lot of useful info and little bullshit being slinged.

 

[C-2]

The thread also signals the end to the boating season . The only thing missing was Rex and Tish's input. :thumbup:

What's the other topic we argue about...we already tackled PC v MAC, Droid vs. iPhone, but I know there's one other...

 

[Gelcoater]

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG...www.all-creatures.org/stories/a-pitcobra.html

 

[Gelcoater]

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG...icle/pit-bull-saves-the-day-for-elderly-woman

 

[2Driver]

The thread also signals the end to the boating season . The only thing missing was Rex and Tish's input. :thumbup:

What's the other topic we argue about...we already tackled PC v MAC, Droid vs. iPhone, but I know there's one other...

LOL and Jeeps are better than SXS's.

Yep its October.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG...www.all-creatures.org/stories/a-pitcobra.html

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG...icle/pit-bull-saves-the-day-for-elderly-woman

Stories like that make me chuckle.
The people involved ascribe human emotions and thought processes to the dogs when in all probability, the dog saw the snake, got excited and wanted to be the first to it and got bit in the process.
The one that found the old woman was likely barking at something strange in the bushes but the owner heard it say, "Come quick, Timmy's in the well!".

 

[Old Texan]

The thread also signals the end to the boating season . The only thing missing was Rex and Tish's input. :thumbup:

What's the other topic we argue about...we already tackled PC v MAC, Droid vs. iPhone, but I know there's one other...

Roll Bar boats and their wake comes to mind.....

 

[NicPaus]

This a debate no one will win. I have had many dogs and the only one that ever snapped and I thought I was going to have to shoot it was a pit. When his eyes rolled back nothing was safe. He only did this to show dominance while around other dogs. By himself he was the dog you all think you own.

 

[RiverDave]

His current dog is more sketchy than any Pitbull I have ever met. She decides who's she is sweet and nice to. And I'm not one of those people. I always keep one eye on her.

Most "pits" are in fact muts so your comparison is void

Sasha isn't Sketchy.. She just doesn't like dudes, and it takes her forever and a day to warm up to them.

Dave,

What kind of dog do you have?

You have a family now.

Hypothetical question.

You have to leave child for 30 minutes.
(I know, I know, but its hypothetical)

You have 2 choices.
Leave infant in room with 50lb mut.
Leave infant in room with 50lb pit.

Choice?

The answer to that question is simple.. NEITHER, EVER.. I would never leave an infant in a room with ANY DOG for 30 minutes alone I don't care what kind of dog it is.

Now lets say it's "hypothetical world time" and there was no choice and you absolutely had too for some unfathomable reason.. I'd pick the dog that I felt most comfortable with around my kids. The breed would have little to do with it, and to be more on point I'd actually feel pretty comfortable with the old old dog whiplash (pitbull), my old dog (Neva), or my current dog Sasha if it was my infant, and the dog had been around them. In all three of the cases they have been very good with kids, and watching over them and ridiculously protective of them from strangers.

That being said, comfortable or not, you'd have to be a fucking idiot to ever put yourself, your kids, or your dog in that situation.

To answer the first question Sasha Bear is a Chow / Shepard mix I believe.. She weighs 120'ish lbs.

RD

 

[was thatguy]

Sasha isn't Sketchy.. She just doesn't like dudes, and it takes her forever and a day to warm up to them.



The answer to that question is simple.. NEITHER, EVER.. I would never leave an infant in a room with ANY DOG for 30 minutes alone I don't care what kind of dog it is.

Sasha Bear is a Chow / Shepard mix I believe.. She weighs 120'ish lbs.

RD

That's a wild mix!
Never seen one.

I had a beautiful pure red chow.
It decided that my then wife was its master.

Chows have only one person they consider the leader.
It would respect me as long as she was not there, but as SOON as she walked in the dog would literally turn on me.


To the question.
I've been informed that pits are mutts, so it is an invalid question.

You are saying you wouldn't do it with any dog. (As any sane adult would agree)

But both instances dodge the point of the scenario.

But that's OK too.

It answers the question, and although defenders of pits will never admit it, they know the answer.

The guy I knew whose pit ate his baby left the room for less than 1 minute.
The baby was in its walker in the kitchen.
In less than 1 minute the baby was a grease spot.

The dog knew the baby from birth.
Remember this thread when you walk to the garage for a beer, or use the restroom, or answer the phone in the next room.

That chow mix can do the same.
I love chows, but they have wicked attitude.
I actually like pits, but they can NOT be trusted.
I don't care for dobies, too high strung and go crazy at 5 YO or so.
I like Rotties the best.

 

[was thatguy]

 

[RiverDave]

That's a wild mix!
Never seen one.

I had a beautiful pure red chow.
It decided that my then wife was its master.

Chows have only one person they consider the leader.
It would respect me as long as she was not there, but as SOON as she walked in the dog would literally turn on me.


To the question.
I've been informed that pits are mutts, so it is an invalid question.

You are saying you wouldn't do it with any dog. (As any sane adult would agree)

But both instances dodge the point of the scenario.

But that's OK too.

It answers the question, and although defenders of pits will never admit it, they know the answer.

The guy I knew whose pit ate his baby left the room for less than 1 minute.
The baby was in its walker in the kitchen.
In less than 1 minute the baby was a grease spot.

The dog knew the baby from birth.
Remember this thread when you walk to the garage for a beer, or use the restroom, or answer the phone in the next room.

That chow mix can do the same.
I love chows, but they have wicked attitude.
I actually like pits, but they can NOT be trusted.
I don't care for dobies, too high strung and go crazy at 5 YO or so.
I like Rotties the best.

The point I think you're missing is again.. It isn't the breed, or any breed for that matter. It's the dog.. and dogs are dogs..

Here's the dog whisperer.. 25 years of dog training, considered to be the foremost expert etc.. Exact question "which breed is most aggressive" the answer is at 43:35 "none of the above"

[video=youtube;yKHznwVTxYg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHznwVTxYg[/video]

 

[was thatguy]

The point I think you're missing is again.. It isn't the breed, or any breed for that matter. It's the dog.. and dogs are dogs..

Here's the dog whisperer.. 25 years of dog training, considered to be the foremost expert etc.. Exact question "which breed is most aggressive" the answer is at 43:35 "none of the above"

[video=youtube;yKHznwVTxYg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHznwVTxYg[/video]

Not missing any points.
Have mad respect for Caesar.

But we aren't all dog whisperers either.
Caesar controls packs easily.

He also knows pack mentality.
He has a method of feeding all his pits in order of status.
Search UTube for those.
I've seen him MANY TIMES acknowledge the damage Pits (his personal favorite) can do as compared to other dogs.

Why is his pack predominantly pit bulls?
Because if you can control a pack of pits, hell you can do anything.

 

[thetub]

Sounds like you got a PETA member.....Idiots if they view coyotes as no risk. I hope one finds it's way into her sheltered lil' world so she can pet it and feed it a treat.:rolleyes

Tex its crazy. Complained and complained along with neighbors to finally get supervisor out. The dimwit comes out and says "well i can set up a cage trap if we have one available, but but but we have never caught one this way anyways". called the city and said they(city municipality) and their seacca are a useless entity.

I have lived here for over forty years and have never seen it this bad where they begin to pack up howl and go on a war path. Its been months now and is getting worse as seacca and wild fish and game admits too , but says dont do anything about it that they are suborbanized now so get used to it???

thats how it is Tex until one of these politicians or activists gets their own ass bit or greeted by one at the end of their driveway or yard it does not apply......

I hired a private trapper along with a few neighbors and have already caught some.

 

[whiteworks]

Sasha isn't Sketchy.. She just doesn't like dudes, and it takes her forever and a day to warm up to them.

RD

I'd call that sketchy.

The point I think you're missing is again.. It isn't the breed, or any breed for that matter. It's the dog.. and dogs are dogs..

Here's the dog whisperer.. 25 years of dog training, considered to be the foremost expert etc.. Exact question "which breed is most aggressive" the answer is at 43:35 "none of the above"

[video=youtube;yKHznwVTxYg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHznwVTxYg[/video]

You remember this guy, he was an animal expert also, just sayin

 

[Andy B.]

I was with my wife when I met Dave's dog and she was nothing but friendly! There was no stare down,funny look, just a dog happy for the attention! Dogs do sense hostility, etc, maybe his dog was sensing attitude lol.:skull

 

[Hye Power]

Actually Phil the "lock jaw" deal with pitbulls is a myth.. Lol. Anything else?

Got to admit that was funny to read as a owner of 2 pitbulls soon as I read that comment from him, instantly told me how ignorant he is of the breed. I try to stay out of these threads cause it's beating a dead horse I've learned over the years and the people that claim to know so much of the breed and talk about how dangerous they are, are always the least educated of the breed.

 

[Buoy]

Dogs do sense hostility, etc, maybe his dog was sensing attitude lol.:skull

So, that would explain the attitude toward Tyro?

 

[Hye Power]

Pitbull trainer working with a lab, ask him which is more aggressive.

 

[460]

So, that would explain the attitude toward Tyro?

Probably .

But in my defense I was miserable and hated life. Last time I saw her, i was single and living it up.

 

[Buoy]

Probably .

But in my defense I was miserable and hated life. Last time I saw her, i was single and living it up.

And now you're planning a wedding...

 

[PVHCA]

Got to admit that was funny to read as a owner of 2 pitbulls soon as I read that comment from him, instantly told me how ignorant he is of the breed. I try to stay out of these threads cause it's beating a dead horse I've learned over the years and the people that claim to know so much of the breed and talk about how dangerous they are, are always the least educated of the breed.

Whether it's a myth or not their jaws clamp down and seem to lock, it's common for many people to think they lock. And just because you have owned 2 of these dogs as has RD doesn't make you an expert on the breed, considering your comment I'd doubt you know anything more than the masses here. Word to the wise and this might omit you, just because RD says something doesn't make it gospel.

 

[Old Texan]

Tex its crazy. Complained and complained along with neighbors to finally get supervisor out. The dimwit comes out and says "well i can set up a cage trap if we have one available, but but but we have never caught one this way anyways". called the city and said they(city municipality) and their seacca are a useless entity.

I have lived here for over forty years and have never seen it this bad where they begin to pack up howl and go on a war path. Its been months now and is getting worse as seacca and wild fish and game admits too , but says dont do anything about it that they are suborbanized now so get used to it???

thats how it is Tex until one of these politicians or activists gets their own ass bit or greeted by one at the end of their driveway or yard it does not apply......

I hired a private trapper along with a few neighbors and have already caught some.

For whatever the reasons, coyotes seem to be growing in numbers nationwide and in places they haven't been prolific before. We were in MI last summer and they have moved in to areas they've never been. they have really hurt the rabbit and pheasant populations.

Some say it's the urban growth moving to them, I don't know but I do know they adapt and will feed on house pets. A family in an adjacent subdivision to ours when we lived in metro Atlanta had his boxer tore up pretty bad by 2 'yotes that jumped his backyard fence. Here in south TX they've become a dangerous nuisance and it's unsafe to leave cats out at night.

Many ranchers around here, have burros that run with the livestock. Those cute little burros will kick the shit out of coyotes and aggressively chase them off.

Private trappers/hunters are the way to go alright. It's a growing occupation not only for coyotes but the feral hog invasion. I wonder what the PETA lady thinks of cute lil' piglets that grow into dangerous 250+ lb boars with 1" tusks that can half rip a leg off......:yikes:skull

 

[Ultracrazy]

Pitbull trainer working with a lab, ask him which is more aggressive.

One dog, one show. Any breed is going to have a bad apple. I'm not a fan of pits at all. I have friends that have them and there good dogs. But ill say this, 33 years as an LEO, 90% of dog issues I responded to have involved pits/mix. Rotts are a close second.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

 

[Gelcoater]

Whether it's a myth or not their jaws clamp down and seem to lock, it's common for many people to think they lock. And just because you have owned 2 of these dogs as has RD doesn't make you an expert on the breed, considering your comment I'd doubt you know anything more than the masses here. Word to the wise and this might omit you, just because RD says something doesn't make it gospel.

It's a myth,just because its common for some to believe its true doesn't make it so

You keep saying that RD is no expert,fair point.Are you?
One non experts opinion vs another non experts opinion is all I see here.

 

[Hye Power]

Whether it's a myth or not their jaws clamp down and seem to lock, it's common for many people to think they lock. And just because you have owned 2 of these dogs as has RD doesn't make you an expert on the breed, considering your comment I'd doubt you know anything more than the masses here. Word to the wise and this might omit you, just because RD says something doesn't make it gospel.

True having 2 pitbulls doesn't make me an expert neither does me working with various pitbull rescues. But I would think its fair to say it makes me more of an expert than let's say someone that has never owned one or have experience with them. My comments were not based off of what rd had to say either, true made me like him a little more cause I do think its unfair how these dogs are portrayed as a whole and it's nice to see others who don't blindly believe what the media feeds them.

 

[PVHCA]

It's a myth,just because its common for some to believe its true doesn't make it so

You keep saying that RD is no expert,fair point.Are you?
One non experts opinion vs another non experts opinion is all I see here.

True having 2 pitbulls doesn't make me an expert neither does me working with various pitbull rescues. But I would think its fair to say it makes me more of an expert than let's say someone that has never owned one or have experience with them. My comments were not based off of what rd had to say either, true made me like him a little more cause I do think its unfair how these dogs are portrayed as a whole and it's nice to see others who don't blindly believe what the media feeds them.

I am no expert, never claimed to be, I am speaking from experience which really doesn't mean much because each breed has good and bad, all I've been saying is the Pitbull is by far the most common dog reported in attacks and biting injuries. I don't hate them, as I said my GF's was an awesome dog, her sons are good but they are very unpredictable, I'll only go around them when he is there.

I had a talk with Uplands Animal Control officer this morning, had to do with an issue from yesterday, quite embarrassing actually, LOL, I asked her about this debate we have been having, she flat out said, "I go out on more calls for attacks and bites in this city by PitBulls than any other breed". She followed that up by saying, "same deal when I worked in Ontario and Rancho". She said in her experience, no other breed comes close, not Rots, GS, Chows, Labs, I asked about a lot of other breeds.

I love dogs and it doesn't matter what kind, I just have always had a soft spot for dogs, I've had a Beagle, Golden Retriever, King Charles Spaniel(my favorite), Jack Russell/Chiwowwow(lol) Mix, and the Pitbull and I enjoyed each one of them.

 

[Vmjtc3]

I am no expert, never claimed to be, I am speaking from experience which really doesn't mean much because each breed has good and bad, all I've been saying is the Pitbull is by far the most common dog reported in attacks and biting injuries. I don't hate them, as I said my GF's was an awesome dog, her sons are good but they are very unpredictable, I'll only go around them when he is there.

I had a talk with Uplands Animal Control officer this morning, had to do with an issue from yesterday, quite embarrassing actually, LOL, I asked her about this debate we have been having, she flat out said, "I go out on more calls for attacks and bites in this city by PitBulls than any other breed". She followed that up by saying, "same deal when I worked in Ontario and Rancho". She said in her experience, no other breed comes close, not Rots, GS, Chows, Labs, I asked about a lot of other breeds.

I love dogs and it doesn't matter what kind, I just have always had a soft spot for dogs, I've had a Beagle, Golden Retriever, King Charles Spaniel(my favorite), Jack Russell/Chiwowwow(lol) Mix, and the Pitbull and I enjoyed each one of them.

I had a King Charles Spaniel, she was a high strung animal, I had her about 6 months. I came home one day and she bolted out the door at a dead run, never saw the dog again lol

 

[C-2]

Years ago, like 35 years ago we had 2 pits.

A couple of strays wondered into the yard, one pit flipped out and muscled its way thru the dog run and got a hold on a young mut. My dad grabbed a piece of firewood and knocked the pit on its head a few times. Then he started beating the pit, who started bleeding out of its eyes. This was going on for about 5 minutes and neighbors began to arrive, the whole time my dad was being bitten by the other dog [bitten bad, as in, had to get the full rabies vaccination since the dog ran off]. Finally my dad said go get the gun. But a neighbor had brought over a waterhose and started shooting wtater into the pits nose. finally, she released. And went on to live another year before we put her down for another incident. The other pit, same deal. Became such a threat that after taking down a one of our calves, my dad sai no more and took it in to be put down.

I don't know if their jaws lock - but I can tell you first-hand their resolve is second to none. I'm sure my dad could have busted the pits skull open and that fawker would still have the stray in its jaws.

My uncle had a pit for 12 years. Nice, gentle dog, I thought it was retarded it was so mellow. So my uncle spends $2500 on a white Bull Terrier, tattoo on it, a high quality pup. Apparently, the pit didn't like the attention the pup was receiving and one day my uncle came home to find the Bull Terrier in pieces.

No exaggeration on either story.

Guess we missed the guy in Lancaster being charged with 2nd degree Murder earlier this year for his pits killing that jogger; or the story from San Jacinto where another old lady was just excercising, walking on the street when she was attacked by a what?

I too am not a pit hater, but have seen first-hand what happens when they flip out.

Like I said, every pit attack story always starts with the family-loving, kid friendly opening lines.

Something needs to be done.

 

[PVHCA]

I had a King Charles Spaniel, she was a high strung animal, I had her about 6 months. I came home one day and she bolted out the door at a dead run, never saw the dog again lol

She is still with my ex, by far the smartest dog I've ever known, never really HIGH strung but always wanting to play and fetch balls. One problem, they shed like no other dog I've had.

I miss that dog.

 

[elcajones]

Two dogs ago I had an Akita. These dogs have a terrible reputation, maybe worse than pits, there are just fewer of them around.
This was a massive dog even for an Akita. He was a complete teddy bear. Small animals, cats, kids were completely safe, even around his food dish. However I couldn't ever take him off his leash because he was a runner, and a magnate for other alpha males. That was the only thing that wasn't safe around him. He could have a huge pitbull on his back by the throat before I could tighten the leash. They attack without growling or showing their teeth.

Anyway, my point is that My dog was a sweetheart and safe. I made him that way. But when others would tell me what they were capable of, and how dangerous they could be, I never argued. They are a dangerous breed, and in the wrong hands deadly. I guess I just don't understand why Pitbull owners cannot be just as honest with themselves about their dog of choice.
I say they are a dangerous breed. The comeback is " I had/have one and he was/is great", or "any breed can be dangerous". Neither of those really address the issue.
A logical argument would be "Pitbulls statistically bite fewer people and other animals than most breeds" and we know that is just isn't the case.

 

[was thatguy]

 

[Jersey Mike]

The amount of misinformation and generalizations in this thread is hilarious! To the OP, please do some research, there is a lot for you to learn besides your own opinion. I refuse to waste too much of my time debating this here with so many uneducated people because I had to do it so much over the years. Owning a Pit, Rott, Chow, etc. takes a responsible owner. They are not the correct dogs for just anyone......just like owning a 3,000hp boat is not for everyone. But the big issue is, anyone can purchase one of the dogs mentioned above, just like anyone can purchase a boat way above their level, all it takes is some money!

Pits have progressively gotten a horrible reputation because there are so few responsible owners. I will say, I do things a little different with my Pit than I have done in the past with other breeds I have owned, but that's where being responsible comes into play. I used to take him to the dog park all the time when he was a puppy to get him socialized and he has been great, but I do not take him as regularly now b/c of the potential damage he could do in an instant, especially when he is off leash and I can't get to the potential fight for more than a few seconds. I have never had an issue with Pit with any person or another dog, but there is always a risk. I carry a break stick with me wherever we go (most of you probably have no idea what that is).

As a previous poster said, having a Pit is part of the "tough guy starter set" (that was hilarious by the way! ), and it seems true. Many people get a big, tough looking dog b/c they feel it is a reflection of themselves. That along with the FACT that there has been such a bastardization of the breed by people breeding in the backyard for size, color, etc with no regard to temperament, there is no wonder why there are going to be some dogs out there with problems. If you were the direct result of 3 generations of inbreeding, you would probably be a little fucked up too.......look at Alabama ! Bottom line is, of course you will see more attacks by "Pits" because they are the dog of choice for many irresponsible owners. They are a fantastic breed who can be a dangerous b/c of the sheer ability to do harm, especially in the hands of the wrong owner.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Amazing.

 

[was thatguy]

The amount of misinformation and generalizations in this thread is hilarious! To the OP, please do some research, there is a lot for you to learn besides your own opinion. I refuse to waste too much of my time debating this here with so many uneducated people because I had to do it so much over the years. Owning a Pit, Rott, Chow, etc. takes a responsible owner. They are not the correct dogs for just anyone......just like owning a 3,000hp boat is not for everyone. But the big issue is, anyone can purchase one of the dogs mentioned above, just like anyone can purchase a boat way above their level, all it takes is some money!

Pits have progressively gotten a horrible reputation because there are so few responsible owners. I will say, I do things a little different with my Pit than I have done in the past with other breeds I have owned, but that's where being responsible comes into play. I used to take him to the dog park all the time when he was a puppy to get him socialized and he has been great, but I do not take him as regularly now b/c of the potential damage he could do in an instant, especially when he is off leash and I can't get to the potential fight for more than a few seconds. I have never had an issue with Pit with any person or another dog, but there is always a risk. I carry a break stick with me wherever we go (most of you probably have no idea what that is).

As a previous poster said, having a Pit is part of the "tough guy starter set" (that was hilarious by the way! ), and it seems true. Many people get a big, tough looking dog b/c they feel it is a reflection of themselves. That along with the FACT that there has been such a bastardization of the breed by people breeding in the backyard for size, color, etc with no regard to temperament, there is no wonder why there are going to be some dogs out there with problems. If you were the direct result of 3 generations of inbreeding, you would probably be a little fucked up too.......look at Alabama ! Bottom line is, of course you will see more attacks by "Pits" because they are the dog of choice for many irresponsible owners. They are a fantastic breed who can be a dangerous b/c of the sheer ability to do harm, especially in the hands of the wrong owner.

True on all counts.

BUT: "There's the way it ought to be, and there's the way it is".

 

[ROC]

I carry a break stick with me wherever we go (most of you probably have no idea what that is).

That along with the FACT that there has been such a bastardization of the breed by people breeding in the backyard for size, color, etc with no regard to temperament, there is no wonder why there are going to be some dogs out there with problems. If you were the direct result of 3 generations of inbreeding, you would probably be a little fucked up too.......look at Alabama ! Bottom line is, of course you will see more attacks by "Pits" because they are the dog of choice for many irresponsible owners. They are a fantastic breed who can be a dangerous b/c of the sheer ability to do harm, especially in the hands of the wrong owner.

Maybe you can describe a break stick then? I've never needed one as I use different technique to get a dog off a bite.

Breeding for size, color etc has been around for ages and you're right, it screws the breed up royally. Just one example........American German Shepards are (for the most part) NOT the same as "German" German Shepards. German breeding rules are way more strict than the Americans. I don't know a ton about AKC rules, but, German rules I do know a bit about.

Very simply put......................With some exceptions, Germans breed their dogs for function, first and foremost. Looks are not a huge priority when breeding. Temperament, nervous system, health and over all drive to work/play/hunt etc are what they breed for.

With total disregard to temperament etc, Americans breeding in their backyards will typically look at a big dog with certain beautiful coloring and think to themselves "Hey, If I breed this big goofy thing with beautiful colors with that smart but small and ugly bitch over there, I might get a big, beautifully colored dog with some brains". They don't even care how closely related the two dogs are. For all they know the dogs are brother and sister or some other 1st gerneration relative. Nature don't work that way.


All in all, improper breeding just makes a breed worthless and dangerous. Too many diseases, temperament issues and other health issues will be/is the result.

Oh, and if any of you think you can just shoot a dog to get him/her off of a true bite and hold, you better think hard about that. It ain't as easy as you might think and it usually takes proper placement of a bullet to put a dog down with one bullet.

This thread sucks because of all the negativity but I understand the resentment on both sides. I pray for the childs family.

 

[Jersey Mike]

Maybe you can describe a break stick then? I've never needed one as I use different technique to get a dog off a bite.

Breeding for size, color etc has been around for ages and you're right, it screws the breed up royally. Just one example........American German Shepards are (for the most part) NOT the same as "German" German Shepards. German breeding rules are way more strict than the Americans. I don't know a ton about AKC rules, but, German rules I do know a bit about.

Very simply put......................With some exceptions, Germans breed their dogs for function, first and foremost. Looks are not a huge priority when breeding. Temperament, nervous system, health and over all drive to work/play/hunt etc are what they breed for.

With total disregard to temperament etc, Americans breeding in their backyards will typically look at a big dog with certain beautiful coloring and think to themselves "Hey, If I breed this big goofy thing with beautiful colors with that smart but small and ugly bitch over there, I might get a big, beautifully colored dog with some brains". They don't even care how closely related the two dogs are. For all they know the dogs are brother and sister or some other 1st gerneration relative. Nature don't work that way.


All in all, improper breeding just makes a breed worthless and dangerous. Too many diseases, temperament issues and other health issues will be/is the result.

Oh, and if any of you think you can just shoot a dog to get him/her off of a true bite and hold, you better think hard about that. It ain't as easy as you might think and it usually takes proper placement of a bullet to put a dog down with one bullet.

This thread sucks because of all the negativity but I understand the resentment on both sides. I pray for the childs family.

That makes sense that you wouldn't know what a break stick is if you haven't had a Pit (I'm using the term "you" in general). They are actually very dangerous to use on most breeds other than Pits. Its a pretty simple design, if you think of a thicker carrot, or a larger door wedge, it is similar to that. The purpose is b/c contrary to what some of these people on this thread think :rolleyes Pits jaws do not lock. But the breed as a whole are very determined, so unlike many other breeds who bite then let go, Pits tend to do the opposite and hold on regardless of outside factors. The break stick is so you can slide the slimmer part in between the teeth and utilize the larger side to create leverage and "pry" the jaws open just enough for them to let go of whatever is in their mouth.

 

[Jersey Mike]

And Roc, to address the rest of your post. improper breeding will make a portion of the breed dangerous, but not the entire breed. Remember, there are many more Pits, Rotts, ect out there that are great loving dogs that have done nothing wrong. So for the OP to say the breed is useless is at best Idiotic!

 

[boatsntoys]

If a dog has teeth, It's a pitbull

This is our house in Costa Rica. This little pit has been livin in a creek that runs through our yard. He has been friendly for over 7 years. Never bitten or showed aggression to anyone. A truly great family pet. Here, my sons ties him to a tree so they could play with him as he is usually way to timid and scurrys off if any of you pit owners wanna bring your pit down to play, you're more than welcome

 

[lard ass]

Pit bull owner: shaved or almost shaved head, goatee, big ass beer belly, tatoos you have no idea what they are, $40,000 boat they own $50,000 on.
Just look at Tank Abbot. He had a pit named adolf.

 

[RiverDave]

Pit bull owner: shaved or almost shaved head, goatee, big ass beer belly, tatoos you have no idea what they are, $40,000 boat they own $50,000 on.
Just look at Tank Abbot. He had a pit named adolf.

Except I had two of them and I don't fit that description?

 

[Old Texan]

Good grief some of the arguments......Locking is a misconceived description of holding and it's a far reach to make a defensive point over a misconception, but far too many posts are focusing on just that.:rolleyes

The bottom line here is, a particular breed/hybrid/misbreed/type/look-a-like/misnamed/etc, on and on "dog", makes the news on a far too regular basis for attacking/mutilating/harming/killing humans and other animals to be a misnomer. Regardless of good/bad masters and regardless of how clean a track record many similar dogs to the bad ones have, a shit load of 'em are causing chaos and the public in general, based on pretty clear evidence and substantiated cases, is scared of them and want something done to keep the incidents from increasing and happening all together.

I'd wager that a very high percentage of folks that own dogs are near incapable of house training them properly much less being capable of keeping a potentially dangerous dog in check 100% of the time. So eventually we will see legislation passed that will limit how and where these gentle and misunderstood dogs are allowed to be kept. Facts are facts when it comes to seeing the carnage across the nation.

Sorry guys and gals who love your chosen breed of dog, it's just the way it is. I know next to nothing about them per what some here claim, but what I do know is I see recurring stories of tragedy on an increasingly regular basis. A pit killing a kid or old lady story is regular news. A lab or a collie or poodle, etc, not so much that I can even remember.......And that's what the legislation will be based upon, like it or not, right or wrong.

 

[RiverDave]

Phil and other ignorants.. I'm gonna have to deal with this on monday. I've been so slammed with work / enduro the last couple of days that I haven't had even 2 minutes to myself..

Don't you worry though, I'll be making you look stupid again in no time.. We'll pick it up again on monday.

RD

 

[YoPengo]

I just wanted to post I this thread before it's locked. Fuck you mutha fuggers.


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[RiverDave]

I just wanted to post I this thread before it's locked. Fuck you mutha fuggers.


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And fuck the pitbull haters!! Lol

 

[coz]

Maybe you can describe a break stick then? I've never needed one as I use different technique to get a dog off a bite.

Breeding for size, color etc has been around for ages and you're right, it screws the breed up royally. Just one example........American German Shepards are (for the most part) NOT the same as "German" German Shepards. German breeding rules are way more strict than the Americans. I don't know a ton about AKC rules, but, German rules I do know a bit about.

Very simply put......................With some exceptions, Germans breed their dogs for function, first and foremost. Looks are not a huge priority when breeding. Temperament, nervous system, health and over all drive to work/play/hunt etc are what they breed for.

With total disregard to temperament etc, Americans breeding in their backyards will typically look at a big dog with certain beautiful coloring and think to themselves "Hey, If I breed this big goofy thing with beautiful colors with that smart but small and ugly bitch over there, I might get a big, beautifully colored dog with some brains". They don't even care how closely related the two dogs are. For all they know the dogs are brother and sister or some other 1st gerneration relative. Nature don't work that way.


All in all, improper breeding just makes a breed worthless and dangerous. Too many diseases, temperament issues and other health issues will be/is the result.

Oh, and if any of you think you can just shoot a dog to get him/her off of a true bite and hold, you better think hard about that. It ain't as easy as you might think and it usually takes proper placement of a bullet to put a dog down with one bullet.

This thread sucks because of all the negativity but I understand the resentment on both sides. I pray for the childs family.

I have to say, back in the 90's we bought an AKC German Shepard from a long line from what was then East Germany and he was with out a doubt THEEE smartest and best dog I have ever had the pleasure of owning, didn't have to teach him shit, he already knew, no shit. Von Steppenwolf was his blood line, he was our protector and I miss Maximilian "max" Von Steppenwolf, he left us about a year after we moved here to Az