Pilots on the Board

[Sleek-Jet]

If you want to buy an airplane the first thing you need to find is a mechanic you can trust. This is key to affording an airplane.

 

[rrrr]

'46 7a/c Champion.

a video and a couple pics just for fun.

I watched the video again more closely. The side view shows the definitive shape of the Champ's nose and windscreen.

 

[whiteworks]

'46 View attachment 1251524 View attachment 1251525 7a/c Champion.

a video and a couple pics just for fun.

Are those jojoba beans on the downwind?

 

[t&y]

If you want to buy an airplane the first thing you need to find is a mechanic you can trust. This is key to affording an airplane.

I'll be taking a hard look at that too after I acquire the PPL. It would be awesome to getting a parking spot at least at Chino... but from what I'm seeing that is nearly impossible at the moment.

 

[mesquito_creek]

I'll be taking a hard look at that too after I acquire the PPL. It would be awesome to getting a parking spot at least at Chino... but from what I'm seeing that is nearly impossible at the moment.

You actually just completed your first course! At chino 100LL is $6.05 and it appear as if only one hangar is for rent on hangertrader for $2900 a month! But in all seriousness, get on the shade/hangar waitlist. The list I am on cost one months rent to start waiting. I should get a hangar in about 2 more years. I am the cheapest DIY guy around but there really is no way to lower the basic cost of flying. On the plus side is there are alot of rentals available once you start networking.

I rent a Beechcraft sundowner 180 and a piper warrior 160 for $150 an hour wet.

My checkride date will be almost at the 1 year mark since my first lesson.
I am at $11,722 in plane rentals ($150/hr)
I am at $2,293 in CFI rentals ($40/hr)

78.6 total hours, (26.5 solo, 53.8 dual)

I estimate $18k all in at PPL cert. that’s everything like testing fees, checkride fee, Zulu headset, Foreflight subscription, flight computer, VFR charts, test prep books etc etc..

It does not include commuter cost to and from airport (god forbid I know what that cost) …

Hopefully that helps with your decision on what route to take.

 

[MeCasa16]

You actually just completed your first course! At chino 100LL is $6.05 and it appear as if only one hangar is for rent on hangertrader for $2900 a month! But in all seriousness, get on the shade/hangar waitlist. The list I am on cost one months rent to start waiting. I should get a hangar in about 2 more years. I am the cheapest DIY guy around but there really is no way to lower the basic cost of flying. On the plus side is there are alot of rentals available once you start networking.

I rent a Beechcraft sundowner 180 and a piper warrior 160 for $150 an hour wet.

My checkride date will be almost at the 1 year mark since my first lesson.
I am at $11,722 in plane rentals ($150/hr)
I am at $2,293 in CFI rentals ($40/hr)

78.6 total hours, (26.5 solo, 53.8 dual)

I estimate $18k all in at PPL cert. that’s everything like testing fees, checkride fee, Zulu headset, Foreflight subscription, flight computer, VFR charts, test prep books etc etc..

It does not include commuter cost to and from airport (god forbid I know what that cost) …

Hopefully that helps with your decision on what route to take.

I can’t believe you can find a CFI for $40/hr. The flight school I worked at in 2002-2005 charged just a little more than that back then. When I started flying in 1996, I paid 20/hr for the instructor, and 40/hr wet for the piper tomahawk.

 

[mesquito_creek]

I can’t believe you can find a CFI for $40/hr. The flight school I worked at in 2002-2005 charged just a little more than that back then. When I started flying in 1996, I paid 20/hr for the instructor, and 40/hr wet for the piper tomahawk.

I am in my 50s so I have 4 friends who are senior ATPs… They have kids/cousins etc who are trying to become ATPs. It’s competitive for young CFI to build hours. Plus it’s all cash! Part 61 not a 100k 141 program…

If I pass my checkride next month I am going to do something real nice for my CFI!

 

[hallett21]

I can’t believe you can find a CFI for $40/hr. The flight school I worked at in 2002-2005 charged just a little more than that back then. When I started flying in 1996, I paid 20/hr for the instructor, and 40/hr wet for the piper tomahawk.

Do you fly much outside of work? I’d imagine you’d be over it after a while lol

 

[whiteworks]

For those on the boards with their own planes, post them up. I'm curious what everyone is flying. I'll be searching the various classifieds for awhile just trying to get a feel for the owner side and the cost of buying. So far it appears the basic trainer style or smaller 2-4 seaters are anywhere between 20 and 40 years old are between 30k - 60k.

Not my plane, but seemed relevant for this conversation. These older fastback Cessnas have a really nice view out the front windscreen vs just looking at a cowling.

 

[PlanB]

You actually just completed your first course! At chino 100LL is $6.05 and it appear as if only one hangar is for rent on hangertrader for $2900 a month! But in all seriousness, get on the shade/hangar waitlist. The list I am on cost one months rent to start waiting. I should get a hangar in about 2 more years. I am the cheapest DIY guy around but there really is no way to lower the basic cost of flying. On the plus side is there are alot of rentals available once you start networking.

I rent a Beechcraft sundowner 180 and a piper warrior 160 for $150 an hour wet.

My checkride date will be almost at the 1 year mark since my first lesson.
I am at $11,722 in plane rentals ($150/hr)
I am at $2,293 in CFI rentals ($40/hr)

78.6 total hours, (26.5 solo, 53.8 dual)

I estimate $18k all in at PPL cert. that’s everything like testing fees, checkride fee, Zulu headset, Foreflight subscription, flight computer, VFR charts, test prep books etc etc..

It does not include commuter cost to and from airport (god forbid I know what that cost) …

Hopefully that helps with your decision on what route to take.

This shows the difference between helicopters and fixed wings. In 1989 I was paying $200.00 an hour for a Hughes 300C (wet). A Bell 206 was about $500.00 an hour.

 

[t&y]

Prime day... Any suggestions on what IPad or similar device I should be looking for as a flight aid? I know for training it will all be paper and one of those totally cool flight tactical leg strap thingy's... but figured if I find a deal then why not...

 

[DaveH]

Prime day... Any suggestions on what IPad or similar device I should be looking for as a flight aid? I know for training it will all be paper and one of those totally cool flight tactical leg strap thingy's... but figured if I find a deal then why not...

pretty much the gold standard is flightaware on any Ipad........

 

[mesquito_creek]

Prime day... Any suggestions on what IPad or similar device I should be looking for as a flight aid? I know for training it will all be paper and one of those totally cool flight tactical leg strap thingy's... but figured if I find a deal then why not...

I would wait because a lot of planes have them already. The four planes I have been in all had ForeFlight. But I do subscribe to foreflight on my iPhone. I use the foreflight e-logbooks along my hard copy logbooks.

One other cool thing foreflight does is intergrate with my Microsoft flight simulator on my computer.

The airplanes iPad went dead on my XC solo to Havasu and I was able to connect my phone to the stratus and use foreflight on my phone… nice little adjustment on the go!

 

[Deano]

Prime day... Any suggestions on what IPad or similar device I should be looking for as a flight aid? I know for training it will all be paper and one of those totally cool flight tactical leg strap thingy's... but figured if I find a deal then why not...

Get an Ipad mini and load it with Foreflight. THAT is what you need. It will also be on your phone or another ipad for backup.
It is legal to learn and fly with foreflight and no paper on the plane. My daughter just passed her check ride and did it all with Foreflight. The DPE let her do W&B on it too.
Foreflight was available and legal when I took my ride, but the DPE wasn't having it. Paper charts for everything. No ipad allowed. Things have changed.

 

[mesquito_creek]

Prime day... Any suggestions on what IPad or similar device I should be looking for as a flight aid? I know for training it will all be paper and one of those totally cool flight tactical leg strap thingy's... but figured if I find a deal then why not...

Buy a headset first! I learned the hard way getting in the plane right after another student and put on the sweaty ear pads and the wet mic foam…. August in AZ

 

[Dcb.blake]

Shit ton of great info on here! Getting my license is the next thing I want to do. I just started looking into it and have a few questions. I just want to do it as a hobby for now. I remember as a kid my grandpa had a Barron and would take us wherever at the drop of a hat! Opens up a lot of experiences imo.

As far as acquiring the private license finically all in round about what should I expect? Not including the plane hanger maint. Etc. Not sure if it makes a difference but I’m in Ca, I’d imagine it would be a bit more expensive then out of state. I saw 18k? I’ve been told many different numbers all over the board so I’m curious what the brain trust has to say!

I plan to start this whole process (medical) here shortly then the actual flying and schooling closer to winter when I can actually breath and have some spare time. Any downfall other than weather in doing that?

If I wanted to bust ass and get everything done ASAP what kinda timeline am I looking at? Could I get everything done besides medical let’s say within 4-5 months?

 

[SJP]

iPad Pro 11 inch - Apple 2 Pencil - ForeFlight

Mini vs full is you can ditch the pad of paper and pen with iPad the size of a sheet of paper.

Headsets - deals to be had on Bose a20 they just released the a30.

 

[paradise]

iPad Pro 11 inch - Apple 2 Pencil - ForeFlight

Mini vs full is you can ditch the pad of paper and pen with iPad the size of a sheet of paper.

Headsets - deals to be had on Bose a20 they just released the a30.

This.

I started with a mini but very quickly moved to the pro. The extra real estate is awesome.

Bose A20 is worth the money.

 

[mesquito_creek]

Shit ton of great info on here! Getting my license is the next thing I want to do. I just started looking into it and have a few questions. I just want to do it as a hobby for now. I remember as a kid my grandpa had a Barron and would take us wherever at the drop of a hat! Opens up a lot of experiences imo.

As far as acquiring the private license finically all in round about what should I expect? Not including the plane hanger maint. Etc. Not sure if it makes a difference but I’m in Ca, I’d imagine it would be a bit more expensive then out of state. I saw 18k? I’ve been told many different numbers all over the board so I’m curious what the brain trust has to say!

I plan to start this whole process (medical) here shortly then the actual flying and schooling closer to winter when I can actually breath and have some spare time. Any downfall other than weather in doing that?

If I wanted to bust ass and get everything done ASAP what kinda timeline am I looking at? Could I get everything done besides medical let’s say within 4-5 months?

Based on my current experience as a student who is ready to check ride. I would say you could do it in 4-5 months if you don’t work a regular job, fly 3-5 days a week, have access to a plane full time and have a CFI dedicated to your schedule. I was endorsed by my CFI at 6 months and I am retired without a job. But I am going to be at the 1 year mark due to how hard it was to get a DPE scheduled for my checkride, plane going out of service a few times for a couple weeks and me not rushing to get my ticket over more practice and instruction.

 

[clarence]

Getting my license is the next thing I want to do. I just started looking into it and have a few questions. I just want to do it as a hobby for now.

Look into a Sports Pilot license?

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/light-sport-pilot-license/index.html

 

[clarence]

Maybe a Glider Pilot license first?

Once you have gained your private pilot certificate in gliders you may, if you wish, add a single-engined aircraft rating having met the additional skill requirements of the aircraft type. You must also gain an airman medical certificate. The hours you gain from your gliding all count to your total flying time. The cost benefits aside, there are many skills you gain from starting in gliders. . . .

Private Pilot – Glider: A Low-Cost Way To Fly? - Pilot Institute

Gliding has a reputation as a niche sport, and FAA statistics appear to support this view. With almost 700,000 active pilot certificates recorded in the US in 2020, only 20,000 of those are for gliders. Yet, gliding is a common low-cost entry to flying training outside the US, teaching students...

pilotinstitute.com

 

[clarence]

 

[clarence]

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This special offer includes the following:
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[rrrr]

I can’t believe you can find a CFI for $40/hr. The flight school I worked at in 2002-2005 charged just a little more than that back then. When I started flying in 1996, I paid 20/hr for the instructor, and 40/hr wet for the piper tomahawk.

I was surprised at the airplane rental rate! That's a good deal for a wet rental.

 

[rrrr]

This shows the difference between helicopters and fixed wings. In 1989 I was paying $200.00 an hour for a Hughes 300C (wet). A Bell 206 was about $500.00 an hour.

In 1979 I decided to get a helicopter ticket. The 206L I was flying cost $380 an hour including the instructor. After 22 hours I figured out some important truths.

First: No one will hire a pilot with less than 300 hours of turbine time.

Second: The cost of insuring a greenhorn rotary wing pilot was obscene.

Third: rrrr was 23 years old and broke. Spending almost $20K in 1978 dollars to get the certificate was not a happening deal. An inflation calculator pegs that at $93,591.72 in 2023 dollars.

 

[MeCasa16]

Do you fly much outside of work? I’d imagine you’d be over it after a while lol

I rarely fly for fun. Sometimes I do flight reviews or proficiency flights for friends. I enjoy it, but I’d rather blow my money on other hobbies, like boats..

 

[Sleek-Jet]

This.

I started with a mini but very quickly moved to the pro. The extra real estate is awesome.

Bose A20 is worth the money.

Bose is worth the hype anyway.

It always amazes me how we make our hobbies as expensive as possible.

 

[TimeBandit]

Bose is worth the hype anyway.

It always amazes me how we make our hobbies as expensive as possible.

I have not tried the A30's yet, my only hope is that the Mic boom is long enough to reach my mouth because I have a big fat head.

I tried the newest lightspeed headsets and the mic boom is too short.

Right now I'm using a conversion kit on Bose non aviation headphones because of the extra long mic boom.

Aviation is best enjoyed if you don't keep receipts.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

You actually just completed your first course! At chino 100LL is $6.05 and it appear as if only one hangar is for rent on hangertrader for $2900 a month! But in all seriousness, get on the shade/hangar waitlist. The list I am on cost one months rent to start waiting. I should get a hangar in about 2 more years. I am the cheapest DIY guy around but there really is no way to lower the basic cost of flying. On the plus side is there are alot of rentals available once you start networking.

I rent a Beechcraft sundowner 180 and a piper warrior 160 for $150 an hour wet.

My checkride date will be almost at the 1 year mark since my first lesson.
I am at $11,722 in plane rentals ($150/hr)
I am at $2,293 in CFI rentals ($40/hr)

78.6 total hours, (26.5 solo, 53.8 dual)

I estimate $18k all in at PPL cert. that’s everything like testing fees, checkride fee, Zulu headset, Foreflight subscription, flight computer, VFR charts, test prep books etc etc..

It does not include commuter cost to and from airport (god forbid I know what that cost) …

Hopefully that helps with your decision on what route to take.

This is where a club is nice. We have a 172 and an Archer. The 172 rents for $94/hr went, the Archer $106/hr went (varies based on fuel price). Instructors are $40/hr, usually rounded down to the nearest whole hour.

Scheduling is online, we fly off a residential airpark so it is super easy to get in and out of.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I have not tried the A30's yet, my only hope is that the Mic boom is long enough to reach my mouth because I have a big fat head.

I tried the newest lightspeed headsets and the mic boom is too short.

Right now I'm using a conversion kit on Bose non aviation headphones because of the extra long mic boom.

Aviation is best enjoyed if you don't keep receipts.

I did the ANR upgrade on my DC clones a couple years ago. I can't tell the difference other than weight. And I don't fly enough to make the difference between the two.

 

[mesquito_creek]

This is where a club is nice. We have a 172 and an Archer. The 172 rents for $94/hr went, the Archer $106/hr went (varies based on fuel price). Instructors are $40/hr, usually rounded down to the nearest whole hour.

Scheduling is online, we fly off a residential airpark so it is super easy to get in and out of.

What residential airpark? I have lived at Stellar Airpark for 26 years, off the taxiway in a no hangar house. But I could buy a hangar about 500 feet from my door! I am just learning how to fly now…. Haha

 

[Sleek-Jet]

What residential airpark? I have lived at Stellar Airpark for 26 years, off the taxiway in a no hangar house. But I could buy a hangar about 500 feet from my door! I am just learning how to fly now…. Haha

Naperaero in Naperville, IL. When I lived in AZ I had my airplane at La Cholla airpark outside of Tucson. Flying off private fields is fun.

 

[PlanB]

In 1979 I decided to get a helicopter ticket. The 206L I was flying cost $380 an hour including the instructor. After 22 hours I figured out some important truths.

First: No one will hire a pilot with less than 300 hours of turbine time.

Second: The cost of insuring a greenhorn rotary wing pilot was obscene.

Third: rrrr was 23 years old and broke. Spending almost $20K in 1978 dollars to get the certificate was not a happening deal. An inflation calculator pegs that at $93,591.72 in 2023 dollars.

I got my private rotorcraft / Helicopter certificate as a civilian. I then went into the Army and logged hours in an OH-58C and completed my commercial certificate thanks to the Army paying for most of my hours. I got out and went into LE with the intention of flying for my department. My career took a different path than I had envisioned but flying helicopters was a blast, especially in the Army. You are correct though, flying helicopters for a living is a harder path for sure. Fixed wings are much more affordable and there are many more jobs available.

 

[t&y]

Just passed my 2nd class physical. I spoke with the Doctor prior to this whole thing about my intentions and my plan to get there. He told me the only difference between the 1st and 2nd is an ekg. I've never had heart issues of any kind at this point in life. We went with the 2nd class, and when or if I get close enough for the ATP cert I'll revisit the 1st class. 2nd will cover me up to and through commercial and hit my goals in regards to an easy transition into a second career.

Pro-Tip here.... DO NOT have two cups of coffee prior to your FAA examine. My dumbass asked the Dr. on the phone if I needed to fast or anything for blood work and he said "No." Well, he was right, but my brain heard I don't need to fast followed immediately by BRING ON THE MORNING COFFEE Let's just say my blood pressure was a bit on the high side (within regulation of course) and after I told the Dr. what I did, he just kinda laughed and said it's usually some kind of espresso or something and he still can't figure out why anyone would drink those before their visit... lol. I guess If I'm good enough with two cups of coffee, my baseline should be well within the standards.

Anyways... I'll be starting the real training mid August. Trying to finish up as much of the on line ground school as I can before then.

 

[PlanB]

Good luck!

 

[Orange Juice]

Just passed my 2nd class physical. I spoke with the Doctor prior to this whole thing about my intentions and my plan to get there. He told me the only difference between the 1st and 2nd is an ekg. I've never had heart issues of any kind at this point in life. We went with the 2nd class, and when or if I get close enough for the ATP cert I'll revisit the 1st class. 2nd will cover me up to and through commercial and hit my goals in regards to an easy transition into a second career.

Pro-Tip here.... DO NOT have two cups of coffee prior to your FAA examine. My dumbass asked the Dr. on the phone if I needed to fast or anything for blood work and he said "No." Well, he was right, but my brain heard I don't need to fast followed immediately by BRING ON THE MORNING COFFEE Let's just say my blood pressure was a bit on the high side (within regulation of course) and after I told the Dr. what I did, he just kinda laughed and said it's usually some kind of espresso or something and he still can't figure out why anyone would drink those before their visit... lol. I guess If I'm good enough with two cups of coffee, my baseline should be well within the standards.

Anyways... I'll be starting the real training mid August. Trying to finish up as much of the on line ground school as I can before then.

I suggest going up only 3/4 hours on your first 2-3 flights. It will give you something to think about on the ground between flights. You’ll be really busy in the air, and referencing the manual, along with communications over the radio.

Actual flying is not that difficult to learn. It’s landing in high winds, on a cross country flight, in Wyoming. Or troubleshooting a problem in the cockpit 12,000 in the air ( carb icing).

I solo’d in a C-152, C-172, Piper Warrior, and a Piper Archer, before I finally got my PPL. I solo’d @ 9.9 hours out of Corona. Got my PPL at 84 hours in the Piper Archer. It took me 23 months.

 

[Deano]

Just passed my 2nd class physical. I spoke with the Doctor prior to this whole thing about my intentions and my plan to get there. He told me the only difference between the 1st and 2nd is an ekg. I've never had heart issues of any kind at this point in life. We went with the 2nd class, and when or if I get close enough for the ATP cert I'll revisit the 1st class. 2nd will cover me up to and through commercial and hit my goals in regards to an easy transition into a second career.

Pro-Tip here.... DO NOT have two cups of coffee prior to your FAA examine. My dumbass asked the Dr. on the phone if I needed to fast or anything for blood work and he said "No." Well, he was right, but my brain heard I don't need to fast followed immediately by BRING ON THE MORNING COFFEE Let's just say my blood pressure was a bit on the high side (within regulation of course) and after I told the Dr. what I did, he just kinda laughed and said it's usually some kind of espresso or something and he still can't figure out why anyone would drink those before their visit... lol. I guess If I'm good enough with two cups of coffee, my baseline should be well within the standards.

Anyways... I'll be starting the real training mid August. Trying to finish up as much of the on line ground school as I can before then.

reading the books is a good idea before you start. Ground school and talking to your CFI an hour or two a week about each chapter and following the syllabus helps a lot. I think there are 16 chapters in the Jeppesen book and every week I studied a chapter, applied it, and talked about it. I also watched a ton of youtube videos on the subject. Those guys love to hear themselves talk and make videos. Due to work and life, my goal was 16 weeks, 16 chapters. Fly a few hours and two hours of ground per week. It was a good pace, easy to make and the confidence will be there. Easier on the wallet too.
One thing I can say about part 61 schools. They do not have to follow any syllabus. If that is where you're going, the instructors usually jump around and it can screw you up. Follow the syllabus and fall back on everything else as you move forward. I've seen guys struggle. It's written that way for reason. Just my .02

 

[rrrr]

I suggest going up only 3/4 hours on your first 2-3 flights. It will give you something to think about on the ground between flights. You’ll be really busy in the air, and referencing the manual, along with communications over the radio.

Actual flying is not that difficult to learn. It’s landing in high winds, on a cross country flight, in Wyoming. Or troubleshooting a problem in the cockpit 12,000 in the air ( carb icing).

I solo’d in a C-152, C-172, Piper Warrior, and a Piper Archer, before I finally got my PPL. I solo’d @ 9.9 hours out of Corona. Got my PPL at 84 hours in the Piper Archer. It took me 23 months.

Good advice.

But I would like to take this opportunity to emphasize dealing with carb icing when you advance the throttle turning base to land while 500 feet above the ground or in many other conditions is something every student pilot should actively question his instructor about and study carefully.

A lot of things about flying an airplane are intuitive. There are others that aren't obvious at all, and those will occur at the worst possible time. Study, listen, learn, limit risk, and gain experience. That's a key to safety.

 

[mesquito_creek]

…. Just start flying… everything else will work itself out. If you blow through an extra 20 hours getting to PPL, big fucking deal!. It’s like saying I wasted 20 hours boating for no reason

 

[mesquito_creek]

Passed checkride today…. Who’s got a cheap 180hp for sale?

 

[MeCasa16]

Passed checkride today…. Who’s got a cheap 180hp for sale?

Congratulations! It’s a huge accomplishment.

 

[paradise]

Passed checkride today…. Who’s got a cheap 180hp for sale?

Congrats!

 

[copterzach]

Congratulations

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Congrats! Welcome to the 0.02% !!!

 

[hman442]

Passed checkride today…. Who’s got a cheap 180hp for sale?

Awesome! Congrats! I have nothing for sale, but a 180hp which ?

 

[PlanB]

Congrats! Welcome to the 0.02% !!!

.002%

 

[whiteworks]

Passed checkride today…. Who’s got a cheap 180hp for sale?

Badass

 

[rrrr]

Passed checkride today…. Who’s got a cheap 180hp for sale?

Solid!

 

[SJP]

Passed checkride today…. Who’s got a cheap 180hp for sale?

Awesome - welcome

 

[mesquito_creek]

Awesome! Congrats! I have nothing for sale, but a 180hp which ?

Something to build IFR time in and do a little travel. Piper PA-28 anything, Grumman tiger, beech -c23 ??? I am getting checkout on a warrior 161 this week, so maybe 160 might work? All my time is in a subdowner 180 and everyone tells me anything less than 180 is going to be limited in AZ all summer.

But I am fine renting for a while longer. I am 1.5 years deep on the waitlist for KDVT hanger so I don’t want to buy something nice that sits on open tiedowns for 2 years.

The funny part is I live in stellar airpark for 26 years. (Off the taxiway, no hanger). But that’s where I am renting the piper warrior. I am about 500 feet from the FBO. Going to be nice to walk to the plane instead of a 45 drive to deer valley.

If anyone has a trainer in the east valley who wants to sell some block time or partner in etc. call me.

OH and I can now be a safety pilot for anyone building hood time also!!!