Pedal Commander

[oldman]

Let me throw a rock in the pond

Banks PedalMonster vs Pedal Commander - Feature Comparison

This is how the patented Banks PedalMonster compares to Pedal Commander and other popular throttle controllers. How the Banks Pedal Monster compares to Pedal Commander, Sprint Booster, Roar Pedal and other popular throttle controllers in this review.

official.bankspower.com

 

[4Waters]

Let me throw a rock in the pond

Banks PedalMonster vs Pedal Commander - Feature Comparison

This is how the patented Banks PedalMonster compares to Pedal Commander and other popular throttle controllers. How the Banks Pedal Monster compares to Pedal Commander, Sprint Booster, Roar Pedal and other popular throttle controllers in this review.

official.bankspower.com

My dad's pedal commander (yes pedal commander) connected into his OBD2 port

 

[81Sprint]

I’ve got one on my 23 Silverado baby Dmax, also had one on my 19 L5P Silverado and my 21 Cummins. It is absolutely worth the money!

 

[oldman]

I’ve got one on my 23 Silverado baby Dmax, also had one on my 19 L5P Silverado and my 21 Cummins. It is absolutely worth the money!

Serious question, Do you know the MPG difference before and after?

 

[oldman]

My dad's pedal commander (yes pedal commander) connected into his OBD2 port

Is his truck faster than advertised? Or does he only use 50% of the pedal now?

 

[4Waters]

Is his truck faster than advertised? Or does he only use 50% of the pedal now?

It's not a tuner so it's not faster but it definitely increases the throttle response, he can't hardly drive it when it's in sport mode, constantly blowing the off of it, he leaves it in city mode which feels like it has a cable/linkage.

For the record I have been looking at the BANKS deal

 

[Loony Toon]

It's not a tuner so it's not faster but it definitely increases the throttle response, he can't hardly drive it when it's in sport mode, constantly blowing the off of it, he leaves it in city mode which feels like it has a cable/linkage.

For the record I have been looking at the BANKS deal

I've used Banks products since 95 and have had complete satisfaction with the products and their costumer service.
Cant go wrong with all the testing he does. He supplies the military with both marine and land based diesels.

 

[4Waters]

I've used Banks products since 95 and have had complete satisfaction with the products and their costumer service.
Cant go wrong with all the testing he does. He supplies the military with both marine and land based diesels.

Banks is definitely top quality equipment, that's why I'm looking at that as well

 

[oldman]

It's not a tuner so it's not faster but it definitely increases the throttle response, he can't hardly drive it when it's in sport mode, constantly blowing the off of it, he leaves it in city mode which feels like it has a cable/linkage.

For the record I have been looking at the BANKS deal

I know they are not a tuner, I just never got the difference between this and just flooring it around everywhere, It's the same difference.

 

[Melloyellovector]

Iv got the banks peddle monster, 23 ram 3500 mega cab 6.7
it is not the same as just mashing the skinny pedal.
it does increase the input level to throttle body.
‘there is preset levels you can select, and you can fine tune % in each level.

turbo lag on cummins and throttle delay make them pigs from a light. The banks wakes it up

freeway response is negligible, mpg overall is no difference

 

[4Waters]

I know they are not a tuner, I just never got the difference between this and just flooring it around everywhere, It's the same difference.

It's really not, the best way I can think on how to explain it is turbo lag and pre spooling the turbo before stepping on it. My f150 is a slug with the throttle response, no joke I have had a couple close calls (maybe not close but closer than needed to be) waiting for the throttle body to start responding, my dad's truck has zero wait, coworker put one on his Silverado and he loves the responsiveness it has now. I guess in a way you end up using less throttle because it now responds immediately.

 

[oldman]

I've used Banks products since 95 and have had complete satisfaction with the products and their costumer service.
Cant go wrong with all the testing he does. He supplies the military with both marine and land based diesels.

I've had an inside connection at Banks since 2000, they used my Excursion as a prototype in 1999, (we had one of the first diesels in CA) and I have over 200k on their products since, on two separate trucks, I've had two failures, ( one was a bridge, one was a tuner, I lost the SP tuner level on that one) and have done a couple of updates, going back to the palm pilot that was the original display, then the dash deal, now the pod. I ran the rear end cover for over a year before it was available to the public with temp probes in it, I was surprised on real world temps.

 

[oldman]

It's really not, the best way I can think on how to explain it is turbo lag and pre spooling the turbo before stepping on it. My f150 is a slug with the throttle response, no joke I have had a couple close calls (maybe not close but closer than needed to be) waiting for the throttle body to start responding, my dad's truck has zero wait, coworker put one on his Silverado and he loves the responsiveness it has now. I guess in a way you end up using less throttle because it now responds immediately.

It's all more pedal, an F150 has no turbo lag as a diesel does, it's applying 70% when your input is 40% as an example, if you applied more pedal you would get the same response. if your not holding the brake pedal and spooling the turbo the pedal control is not doing that.
You want turbo lag?? drive a 1999 Powerstroke you can measure it on a sundial.

 

[4Waters]

I've had an inside connection at Banks since 2000, they used my Excursion as a prototype in 1999, (we had one of the first diesels in CA) and I have over 200k on their products since, on two separate trucks, I've had two failures, ( one was a bridge, one was a tuner, I lost the SP tuner level on that one) and have done a couple of updates, going back to the palm pilot that was the original display, then the dash deal, now the pod. I ran the rear end cover for over a year before it was available to the public with temp probes in it, I was surprised on real world temps.

Go talk to them, guaranteed someone there has a pedal monster on their car or truck and would let you try it in stock vs city mode

 

[4Waters]

It's all more pedal, an F150 has no turbo lag as a diesel does, it's applying 70% when your input is 40% as an example, if you applied more pedal you would get the same response.

It's not, I get what you are saying but it's not the same, turbo lag of the 7.3 to the turbo lag of today's turbos are completely different,I've got close to 300k miles on 7.3 diesels over the years, almost 200k on my personal vehicles.

 

[Loony Toon]

When I traded my 2018 GMC 3500 in earlier this year I removed the Banks tuner, gauges and pedal Monster. I'll take some pictures and post them up in the classified if anyone is interested.

 

[oldman]

Go talk to them, guaranteed someone there has a pedal monster on their car or truck and would let you try it in stock vs city mode

I get the concept, 20%=40% or more. pretty simple.

 

[lbhsbz]

It's really not, the best way I can think on how to explain it is turbo lag and pre spooling the turbo before stepping on it. My f150 is a slug with the throttle response, no joke I have had a couple close calls (maybe not close but closer than needed to be) waiting for the throttle body to start responding, my dad's truck has zero wait, coworker put one on his Silverado and he loves the responsiveness it has now. I guess in a way you end up using less throttle because it now responds immediately.

It's exactly the same. The Pedal Commander plugs in between the throttle pedal and the thing the throttle pedal used to plug into. The ONLY thing it is capable of doing is manipulating the signal from the pedal to the ECM. That's it! It can't make the ECM do anything spectacular to the throttle body or anything else....all it can do, based on where it's plugged in and where it exists, is manipulate the accelerator pedal signal to the ECM.

Wanna accelerate quicker...floor it. The pedal commander basically does this at 50% pedal, giving drivers the illusion that their vehicle is faster and more powerful because it reacts like full throttle at 50% throttle....because it's telling the ECM that the driver is commanding full throttle.

Look at where the device plugs in and think about what it can possibly do that position....not much.

 

[4Waters]

It's exactly the same. The Pedal Commander plugs in between the throttle pedal and the thing the throttle pedal used to plug into. The ONLY thing it is capable of doing is manipulating the signal from the pedal to the ECM. That's it! It can't make the ECM do anything spectacular to the throttle body or anything else....all it can do, based on where it's plugged in and where it exists, is manipulate the accelerator pedal signal to the ECM.

Wanna accelerate quicker...floor it. The pedal commander basically does this at 50% pedal, giving drivers the illusion that their vehicle is faster and more powerful because it reacts like full throttle at 50% throttle....because it's telling the ECM that the driver is commanding full throttle.

Look at where the device plugs in and think about what it can possibly do that position....not much.

So because my brain knows something is plugged in that's says it will improve throttle response it feels like it is but it actually isn't?

You need to drive one with it and without it

 

[oldman]

So because my brain knows something is plugged in that's says it will improve throttle response it feels like it is but it actually isn't?

You need to drive one with it and without it

No, it is improving throttle, so the first 50% is better, then the last 50% is dead pedal.

but if it makes you feel better do it.

 

[4Waters]

It's exactly the same. The Pedal Commander plugs in between the throttle pedal and the thing the throttle pedal used to plug into. The ONLY thing it is capable of doing is manipulating the signal from the pedal to the ECM. That's it! It can't make the ECM do anything spectacular to the throttle body or anything else....all it can do, based on where it's plugged in and where it exists, is manipulate the accelerator pedal signal to the ECM.

Wanna accelerate quicker...floor it. The pedal commander basically does this at 50% pedal, giving drivers the illusion that their vehicle is faster and more powerful because it reacts like full throttle at 50% throttle....because it's telling the ECM that the driver is commanding full throttle.

Look at where the device plugs in and think about what it can possibly do that position....not much.

No, it is improving throttle, so the first 50% is better, then the last 50% is dead pedal.

but if it makes you feel better do it.

I guess I can just floor it from every stop light, stop sign and every time I pull into traffic but it's my guess LEO is not going to be happy with me and write me lots of tickets. The pedal commander makes city driving better and easier, I don't understand why you guys don't understand that, I never said it makes the veh faster it just gives a better throttle response, more like a veh with a cable or linkage. For the record the fake brake pedal feels like shit as well but there is nothing that can be done about that.

I can't stand the lag with the gas pedal, it doesn't matter how fast you smash the pedal to the floor it has a lag. That's right a lag meaning it's slow to react, sluggish, I expect it do something and I have to wait for it to do it.

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

There are 4-5 names in here that haven’t been seen in quite some time.

They may have went somewhere else to be poor.

 

[BabyRay]

I have a Banks Pedal Monster on my ‘23 Canyon, and I can tell you it isn’t just all about mashing the pedal. When stock, the throttle doesn’t ramp up evenly, and it’s like there are dead spots as you press the pedal. After installing the pedal Monster, the ramp up became linear, and the dead spots were gone. I’ve had it for about a year, and still loving it. I have it set at “City 4”, as any higher I was spinning tires on wet pavement (we get that a lot here!).

 

[lbhsbz]

So because my brain knows something is plugged in that's says it will improve throttle response it feels like it is but it actually isn't?

You need to drive one with it and without it

It simply ramps up the throttle potentiometer signal....but the max is still 100%. It doesn't reprogram anything, just changes the non-linear curve to something more aggressive....If you simply mat the pedal, it does the same thing. Since it plugs in in-line between the pedal and the ECM, there is absolutely nothing more that it can do.

I have driven vehicles with them, and installed them for a few buddies. They give you an illusion of greater performance, but they really do nothing you can't accomplish by simply pushing the pedal further down.

 

[BabyRay]

It simply ramps up the throttle potentiometer signal....but the max is still 100%. It doesn't reprogram anything, just changes the non-linear curve to something more aggressive....If you simply mat the pedal, it does the same thing. Since it plugs in in-line between the pedal and the ECM, there is absolutely nothing more that it can do.

I have driven vehicles with them, and installed them for a few buddies. They give you an illusion of greater performance, but they really do nothing you can't accomplish by simply pushing the pedal further down.

LOL!! Apparently you haven’t driven a vehicle with poorly designed throttle mapping. When you hit the pedal to pull into traffic, and your car slowly crawls forward, waiting for that semi to hit you, you’ll understand.

The logic used in the original throttle programming eludes me, as it’s not consistent at all. It seems that the effect at a given point in the throttle varies based on current speed or possibly other factors. Thus, it often feels as though there’s a significant lag, regardless of how far you press the pedal, until suddenly it may rapidly accelerate, while with a Pedal Commander it accelerates as one would expect.

 

[4Waters]

It simply ramps up the throttle potentiometer signal....but the max is still 100%. It doesn't reprogram anything, just changes the non-linear curve to something more aggressive....If you simply mat the pedal, it does the same thing. Since it plugs in in-line between the pedal and the ECM, there is absolutely nothing more that it can do.

I have driven vehicles with them, and installed them for a few buddies. They give you an illusion of greater performance, but they really do nothing you can't accomplish by simply pushing the pedal further down.

I'm confused, where did I say that it increases horsepower and exceeds 100% throttle (which makes no sense)

 

[lbhsbz]

I'm confused, where did I say that it increases horsepower and exceeds 100% throttle (which makes no sense)

You make claims that it does something that’s simply not possible given the inputs and outputs.

 

[4Waters]

You make claims that it does something that’s simply not possible given the inputs and outputs.

I flat said it's not a tuner, I never claimed it added horsepower, I claimed it improved throttle response, which it does. In stock form it doesn't matter if you roll on the throttle if stomp on it there is a lag, pedal commander gets rid of that lag. You keep eluding that I have said it's a tuner. Where am I saying it's a tuner and adds horsepower?

 

[lbhsbz]

LOL!! Apparently you haven’t driven a vehicle with poorly designed throttle mapping. When you hit the pedal to pull into traffic, and your car slowly crawls forward, waiting for that semi to hit you, you’ll understand.

The logic used in the original throttle programming eludes me, as it’s not consistent at all. It seems that the effect at a given point in the throttle varies based on current speed or possibly other factors. Thus, it often feels as though there’s a significant lag, regardless of how far you press the pedal, until suddenly it may rapidly accelerate, while with a Pedal Commander it accelerates as one would expect.

I’ve driven plenty of Toyotas…lol

100% of the benefit is subliminal. Just like the brake pedal in a ‘90s GM half ton truck….its a sponge, goes to the floor, feels like shit and nobody in their right mind would let one out of the shop….except it’s how they work. With a good brake pad, they create enough friction to achieve the desired result without much pedal travel or effort. The brain is only going to apply enough brake to achieve the desired result….and then stop advancing further. The pedal “feels” firm at this point, even though it’s the furthest thing from firm, simply because there is no need to press it harder or further.

The pedal commander works using the same concept…

The mapping is in the ECM, and the pedal commander cannot manipulate that…since it is ahead of the ECM and only has the capability of acting as an input device. All it can do is manipulate the input signal to the ECM…it just creates a steeper curve, but once you’re at the top of the range, it can’t get any higher.

If one was to scope the output from the pedal at the ECM connector, which I have done….the results are exactly the same quickly pushing the pedal to the floor as they are with the application of partial throttle using the pedal commander. But the brain processes both actions differently.

 

[lbhsbz]

I flat said it's not a tuner, I never claimed it added horsepower, I claimed it improved throttle response, which it does. In stock form it doesn't matter if you roll on the throttle if stomp on it there is a lag, pedal commander gets rid of that lag. You keep eluding that I have said it's a tuner. Where am I saying it's a tuner and adds horsepower?

It doesn’t do that either. The exact same result would occur if you cut the gas pedal in half and put a block of wood under your heel.

 

[4Waters]

It doesn’t do that either. The exact same result would occur if you cut the gas pedal in half and put a block of wood under your heel.

Ok got it it does nothing, it's a placebo effect

 

[lbhsbz]

Now you’ve got it.

 

[4Waters]

Now you’ve got it.

Yup, the lag is just a figment of my imagination, it's not actually there

 

[lbhsbz]

Yup, the lag is just a figment of my imagination, it's not actually there

If you push the pedal to the floor, the output will be 100%.

With a pedal commander, you can push it halfway to the floor and the output will be 100%

Tell me what the ECM sees differently between those 2 scenarios


Also tell me what else an inline device is capable of doing.

 

[4Waters]

If you push the pedal to the floor, the output will be 100%.

With a pedal commander, you can push it halfway to the floor and the output will be 100%

Tell me what the ECM sees differently between those 2 scenarios


Also tell me what else an inline device is capable of doing.

Wrong, you are not reading what I am saying. The lag still exists if I stomp the pedal from idle, I still wait, the stock "program" (lack of a better term) still has a lag from idle to 50% and that is where the pedal commander comes in.

 

[lbhsbz]

Wrong, you are not reading what I am saying. The lag still exists if I stomp the pedal from idle, I still wait, the stock "program" (lack of a better term) still has a lag from idle to 50% and that is where the pedal commander comes in.

There is no manner in which the pedal commander can fix that

 

[4Waters]

There is no manner in which the pedal commander can fix that

Ok

 

[HCP3]

Banks chooses their words carefully. Like the Monster Ram intake elbow. All that air flow but somehow doesn't need a tune to add fuel.

 

[Melloyellovector]

There is no manner in which the pedal commander can fix that

Your getting arguments for 2 different products, lol

pedal commander and banks pedalmonster
banks for sure isn’t just plugging into wire at pedal it plugs into obd2
pedal commander, used to be wire at pedal only, maybe newer version different

 

[BabyRay]

Your getting arguments for 2 different products, lol

pedal commander and banks pedalmonster
banks for sure isn’t just plugging into wire at pedal it plugs into obd2
pedal commander, used to be wire at pedal only, maybe newer version different

Yes, that’s part of the confusion. One nice thing about the obd2 connection is it senses reverse, and tames the throttle. Also, if the Banks device ever fails, it defaults to the stock input, whereas other devices cut the throttle off completely if they fail.

I can say from experience that my Canyon’s throttle curve is completely different with the Pedal Monster installed. Without it, the throttle response varies tremendously. Pressing harder will sometimes do very little, and other times it’ll snap your head back. Being as it’s inconsistent, mashing the pedal isn’t a good option. With the Pedal Monster that inconsistency goes away entirely.

 

[Sharky]

All I can say about the Pedal Commander is-

Friend of mine put one on his RZR. Was following him on some trails. Thing sounded like a 125 2 stroke. It was either on or off.

Made it real fun following him through rough stuff. He said he was trying to hold the pedal steady but it would blip like a 2 stroke MX bike through hard stuff. . . uncontrollable.

We removed it as soon as he got back.

If you want more throttle, learn how to push the go pedal down faster.

 

[4Waters]

All I can say about the Pedal Commander is-

Friend of mine put one on his RZR. Was following him on some trails. Thing sounded like a 125 2 stroke. It was either on or off.

Made it real fun following him through rough stuff. He said he was trying to hold the pedal steady but it would blip like a 2 stroke MX bike through hard stuff. . . uncontrollable.

We removed it as soon as he got back.

If you want more throttle, learn how to push the go pedal down faster.

It's inconsistent, I want the pedal to do the same thing every time like cars did 30 years ago.

Guess I'm too picky and should settle on accepting junk like you guys have

 

[4Waters]

I actually still drive a car with a throttle cable as my daily MPG commuter, the throttle is 10x more responsive than my wife's flex and my F150 and it's constant, does the same thing every time and is predictable. I guess if all you drive is FBW shit all the time and nothing else then you don't know how shitty the FBW is.

 

[Bigbore500r]

How about just pushing the skinny pedal down to the floor...in a pair of these bad boys

 

[n2otoofast4u]

How about just pushing the skinny pedal down to the floor...in a pair of these bad boys

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Those only work while wearing a jean jacket and driving a Corvette!

 

[attitude]

How about just pushing the skinny pedal down to the floor...in a pair of these bad boys

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Those bad boys put your foot in eco mode, I doubt any motor has seen over 4k rpm when being controlled by a New Balance

 

[lbhsbz]

Those bad boys put your foot in eco mode, I doubt any motor has seen over 4k rpm when being controlled by a New Balance

You're not wrong.

I had a guy I went round and round with....had a newish Z06 or some such fast as shit corvette and complained about brake noise...didn't matter what pads he used they always made noise. He came by to take me for a ride and show me. Fucker drove slower than my wife. When we got back from our 4 miles test drive, I could hold my hand on the rotor. I hopped in the hot seat and drove the car....poor fucker was shaking in his denim shorts and white new balance shoes when we got back, and the brakes were quiet....lol.

 

[attitude]

You're not wrong.

I had a guy I went round and round with....had a newish Z06 or some such fast as shit corvette and complained about brake noise...didn't matter what pads he used they always made noise. He came by to take me for a ride and show me. Fucker drove slower than my wife. When we got back from our 4 miles test drive, I could hold my hand on the rotor. I hopped in the hot seat and drove the car....poor fucker was shaking in his denim shorts and white new balance shoes when we got back, and the brakes were quiet....lol.

My Z06 did the same thing. Apparently it’s the ceramic pads GM uses. I lived in a town that was mainly 25mph speed limits and stop signs, I would drag the brakes to get them warm enough to not squeak lol.

 

[Ziggy]

My boat has fly-by-wire throttle & I can tell it is controlling the throttlebody response when taking off. It won't just react to your stick position but regulates throttle
body position as the boat gets onto plane.
These pedal dohickies you're discussing effectively eliminates(or improves) that regulation.

 

[Spitfire]

I bought one for my f150. Not the pedal commander brand but another in American Trucks magazine for about 50 bucks. It has all kinds of settings. I like not mashing pedal to the floor for same result. Put it in race mode and the truck becomes undrivable if heavy foot is used as transmission won’t shift correctly for smooth acceleration. Buddy who has 37s on his truck tried one as well and likes the different feel as well. Yes regearing would be better the choice but for 50 bucks it was worth it. To each their own.