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The result of hiring unqualified people that cannot deal with these life and death situations. Poor guy was likely scare shitless. Not his fault as there are only so many sheepdogs per capita. They have to try and hide them somewhere and school duty "was" considered that kind of assignment. From this point forward, we need "warriors" placed in charge of securing our youth.This is so disturbing I can't believe what I just heard on the news. Armed officer on Florida High School Campus does absolutely nothing...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/nikolas-cruz-florida-shooting.html
This is so disturbing I can't believe what I just heard on the news. Armed officer on Florida High School Campus does absolutely nothing...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/nikolas-cruz-florida-shooting.html
now this? WTF
http://fox6now.com/2018/02/22/security-footage-from-school-massacre-scene-was-on-26-minute-delay/
Security footage from school massacre scene was on 26-minute delay
Surveillance footage from the Florida high school where 17 people were gunned down was not shown live, as responding officers initially thought.
It was on a 26-minute delay — leading police to brace for a shootout when the gunman was actually long gone, Coral Springs police Capt. Brad McKeone said.
“Nobody told us,” Coral Springs police Chief Tony Pustizzi told the Sun Sentinel, which first reported the tape delay.
But McKeone, one of the responding officers, said the delay did not hinder the police response to the victims.
This is so disturbing I can't believe what I just heard on the news. Armed officer on Florida High School Campus does absolutely nothing...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/nikolas-cruz-florida-shooting.html
now this? WTF
http://fox6now.com/2018/02/22/security-footage-from-school-massacre-scene-was-on-26-minute-delay/
Security footage from school massacre scene was on 26-minute delay
Surveillance footage from the Florida high school where 17 people were gunned down was not shown live, as responding officers initially thought.
It was on a 26-minute delay — leading police to brace for a shootout when the gunman was actually long gone, Coral Springs police Capt. Brad McKeone said.
“Nobody told us,” Coral Springs police Chief Tony Pustizzi told the Sun Sentinel, which first reported the tape delay.
But McKeone, one of the responding officers, said the delay did not hinder the police response to the victims.
Might have been the case where they (Sheriff) put out to pasture the sick, lame, and lazy LE personnel.So I guess having an armed deputy on the school grounds is not a solution either?
The armed Deputy/Cop can't be a coward. Hopefully all the schools across the nation are doing gut check with their school officers for that exact reason.So I guess having an armed deputy on the school grounds is not a solution either?
Sheepdog. Warrior. "Dalton".......Deputy is distinguished and position in LE, being capable of being any of the 3. Sadly and tragically the FL school fella, was none and worse.So I guess having an armed deputy on the school grounds is not a solution either?
The Country just implemented a very large tax cut, and a change in the tax code that would force local municipalities to cut the amount of spending as those local taxes are no longer deductible.
To now call for an increase in law enforcement on campuses, seems economically inconsistent with the supported policy of cutting taxes and promoting large reductions in spending at the local level.
As a Cop, I am completely disgraced by this POS who put on a badge. Grab your M4, say a prayer, and bring the rain to the shooter.
We are 19yrs post Columbine! Think about that for a second. In 19yrs there hasn't been an effort to harden our schools to keep the lunatics out and our kids safe.
Entrances need to be locked and the open ones guarded. Nobody should be able to just walk in without contact.
The Dept. of Education should have had a plan/guidelines in summer of 09' for the states to implement.
Why isn't there a K9 officer or two at a school? I haven't heard anyone bring that up as a partial solution. I think a dog could neutralize an active shooter faster than just having security guards there. Maybe some of the LEO on here can chime in.
Funding. Every talking head is going to say well it's expensive. Well no shit it is but what are your kids lives worth? And the peace of mind that goes along with the fact that there is a well defined barrier between your most precious asset and the crazy assholes that wish to do them harm.
There's a lyric from a Zac Brown Band song Chicken Fried -
"It's funny how it's the little things in life that mean the most- Not where you live, what you drive or the price tag on your clothes - There's no dollar sign on a peace of mind this I've come to know" Just my .02
I agree completely that train funding is an absolute travesty. Protecting our kids/schools isn't a matter of can they, it's a matter of will they do the right thing.I agree with you TG. Interesting, last night local news here in Sacramento, school officials talking about updating the locking devices to a (fob) type on all classroom doors. They threw out a # of $200,000 to update/convert the locks but....the funding could be an obstacle.
Here in wonderful Ca. we have the state lottery that was "orginally" set up to help fund schools. In addition, Ca. is funding a $64 billion bullett train, sanctuary state, etc.
Not trying to turn your post into a Ca. rant but how hard is it to protect our kids. The absolute stupidity of what is prioritized & where our tax payer $ is spent, mind numbing.
What changed? Before I write my post I just want to say that this isn't right or the solution but is what it was 50+ years ago.Why?
Fifty years ago when per capita gun ownership was higher and kids carried guns in their vehicles to school frequently we didn't have this problem.
What's changed? I know, but you'll never admit it.
$$$$$ For every K9 Officer, you are going to actually have to have 2 or 3. The main K9 won't always be available because of vacation, time off, court, sick, training etc. so you will have to have a backup. However, school is pretty much open from 7 AM to 5 PM (after school sports and stuff). Thus, you would have to have a k9 officer work a 12 hour day which would ultimately be a 3 day work week. That would necessitate the 3rd k9 Officer into the fiscal equation.Why isn't there a K9 officer or two at a school?
What changed? Before I write my post I just want to say that this isn't right or the solution but is what it was 50+ years ago.
My dad said that when he was in school (He is 71yrs old) there was no kids that acted out of control on a daily bases, the few in the early years of elementary school disappeared never to be seen again. They were institutionalized as that is the only way they knew how to deal with them. Now seeing one of his grandkids with autism he knows that is what those (at least most) kids suffered from. The FL shooter is on the autism spectrum as well as the kid at Sandy Hook as well as a kid that shot up the movie theater in Colorado. Again I don't think we should lock them up but they need to be kept from guns, this is a mental health issue and the government is FAILING the VICTIMS and the SHOOTER.
Please don't attack me I'm just stating how autism was dealt with before they knew what it was.
He added heat to the usualReally?
Don't forget the billion dollar surplus.I agree with you TG. Interesting, last night local news here in Sacramento, school officials talking about updating the locking devices to a (fob) type on all classroom doors. They threw out a # of $200,000 to update/convert the locks but....the funding could be an obstacle.
Here in wonderful Ca. we have the state lottery that was "orginally" set up to help fund schools. In addition, Ca. is funding a $64 billion bullett train, sanctuary state, etc.
Not trying to turn your post into a Ca. rant but how hard is it to protect our kids. The absolute stupidity of what is prioritized & where our tax payer $ is spent, mind numbing.
So be it. The gov wastes so much money on shit that doesn't matter, spend it where it does.$$$$$ For every K9 Officer, you are going to actually have to have 2 or 3. The main K9 won't always be available because of vacation, time off, court, sick, training etc. so you will have to have a backup. However, school is pretty much open from 7 AM to 5 PM (after school sports and stuff). Thus, you would have to have a k9 officer work a 12 hour day which would ultimately be a 3 day work week. That would necessitate the 2rd k9 Officer into the fiscal equation.
First, where the hell did you go to school? Ever since the North Hollywood B of A bank robery, every department i know of carries an AR and a 12 gauge in the car or on their bike. Also, doesnt matter gun the officer has, returning fire to an untrained shooter will COMPLETELY derail thier plans. I do not know youre story, but if you ask anybody that has ever been in a firefight, being shot at changes everything (thankfully i have never been in that situation but i have been told that by many others who have been).I'm not all that surprised that an SRO failed to react. My opinion is that he probably lost his "edge" by having such a cushy position as an SRO. Most of the "action" that he has had in the last few years has probably been dress code violations, a handful of fights, and a handful of joints.
Also, in my experience, SRO's have a glock 26 and maybe a spare mag. None of the SRO's in my school (this was 6 years ago) had rifles, even in their squad car.
I'm not all that surprised that an SRO failed to react. My opinion is that he probably lost his "edge" by having such a cushy position as an SRO. Most of the "action" that he has had in the last few years has probably been dress code violations, a handful of fights, and a handful of joints.
Ironically the officers name is Scott Peterson, does this name sound familiar? They must all be cowards...The armed Deputy/Cop can't be a coward. Hopefully all the schools across the nation are doing gut check with their school officers for that exact reason.
I agree with you absolute bullshit, however the police don't want to get involved with shit in general because everyone cries police brutality but that is not an excuse for this situation they were just pussies.This is some bullshit. 4 cops all sitting together having a tea party. How many lives could they have saved? There is a reason why first responders are often praised. Not in this case... Complete and utter incompetence from the chief down they all deserve to be fired.
I'm getting really tired of people saying that in our modern society we don't need guns for our own protection. We have the police for that. Bullshit. Lot of good it did the kids at this school. It took Vegas PD an hour to get to Paddock? Cruz kills 17 people and walks off the campus while the police figure out what to do? I need to apply for my damn CCW.
This: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...d-carry-as-washington-debates/article/2649869
This is some bullshit. 4 cops all sitting together having a tea party. How many lives could they have saved? There is a reason why first responders are often praised. Not in this case... Complete and utter incompetence from the chief down they all deserve to be fired.
I'm getting really tired of people saying that in our modern society we don't need guns for our own protection. We have the police for that. Bullshit. Lot of good it did the kids at this school. It took Vegas PD an hour to get to Paddock? Cruz kills 17 people and walks off the campus while the police figure out what to do? I need to apply for my damn CCW.
This: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...d-carry-as-washington-debates/article/2649869
They literally just shattered any reasonable gun control argument ever made.
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Ummm NO. The Deputy did the right thing in resigning. Read yesterday that he had 30 years on and the last 8 at the school. I know many of the type, and I'd say the majority have no business being in the field. He FUCKED UP. Plain and simple. I heard he coordinated units as there were arriving. BIG FUCKING DEAL... I can do that sliding corners lights and sirens while working the car computer and yelling at my trainee to get ready. I also heard one of his reasons for not entering was he was outgunned. Again, BIG FUCKING DEAL. I'll roll with my 9 against a rifle in close quarters if I have to, that is the job. It's tragic that those kids died. For all we know that cop would have been taken out by the shooter had he gone in. But he didn't, and for that he is a failure. Sad deal all around.It also seems like this officer has been thrown under the bus, almost seems like the sheriff and the FBI are trying to deflect blame to this one guy rather than take responsibility for how badly they dropped the ball.
Ummm NO. The Deputy did the right thing in resigning. Read yesterday that he had 30 years on and the last 8 at the school. I know many of the type, and I'd say the majority have no business being in the field. He FUCKED UP. Plain and simple. I heard he coordinated units as there were arriving. BIG FUCKING DEAL... I can do that sliding corners lights and sirens while working the car computer and yelling at my trainee to get ready. I also heard one of his reasons for not entering was he was outgunned. Again, BIG FUCKING DEAL. I'll roll with my 9 against a rifle in close quarters if I have to, that is the job. It's tragic that those kids died. For all we know that cop would have been taken out by the shooter had he gone in. But he didn't, and for that he is a failure. Sad deal all around.
Yes... That is the point. My guess is he was very personable, problaby got along great with the kids and was easy to talk to. Well guess what, sometimes you need the guys that don't give a shit about emotional connections to be on the front line. There is a reason why many aggressive cops aren't the life of the party all the time. Same could be said for front line military guys... and I don't mean a scale of how many beers you can drink. lol. I mean many of the cops I know tend to stay out of the crowd and observe. There is a reason. Unfortunately the rest of the cops still left out there now have to deal with the reprecussions of this guys failure. Part of the job, but just anther tack on the board against us.seems like older and should have been with a desk job or detective already...
seems like they need younger types with more piss and vinegar ...
Yes. When the penalty to the shooter becomes greater than they wish to bear. And these turds have all proven to be cowards. You don't even have to shoot them. If they see a gun or feel a bullet whiz by, they run away and eat the barrel of their own weapon.Claiming between 20-50 kids shot inside a high school.
Will this ever stop?
Some clues may have emerged from a report chronicled by the editors of the Conservative Treehouse (CTH), an independent blog, who have provided corroborating documentation that paint a very convincing picture for the circumstances that may have enabled Cruz to slip through the cracks.
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Broward County Sheriff’s Office Did Not “Miss Warning Signs” or Make “Mistakes”… https://t.co/MhOgW86TCe pic.twitter.com/L00J4f2Gxh
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) February 23, 2018
“I spent about 18 months in 2012, 2013 and 2014 investigating Broward and Miami-Dade school policies and how those policies transfer to law enforcement practices,” CTH explains. “What I stumbled upon was a Broward County law enforcement system in a state of conflict. The Broward County School Board and District Superintendent, entered into a political agreement with Broward County Law enforcement officials to stop arresting students for crimes.”
“The motive was simple. The school system administrators wanted to ‘improve their statistics’ and gain state and federal grant money for improvements therein.”
The 2013 “Collaborative Agreement On School Discipline” between the School Board of Broward County and the Sheriff of Broward Country, as well as the Fort Lauderdale Branch of the NAACP and a variety of other state and local legal bodies, can be found HERE.
In short, the agreement established new standards and practices by which law enforcement would seek alternatives to arresting students who had committed crimes or “minor disturbances,” with a specific focus on “students of color, students with disabilities and LGBTQ students,” who were “disproportionately impacted by school-based arrests for the same behavior as their peers.”
CTH asserts that the types of lawbreaking being swept under the rug quickly escalated from minor offenses to serious felonies.
“The need to continue lowering the arrests year-over-year meant that increasingly more severe unlawful behavior had to be ignored. Over time even the most severe of unlawful conduct was being filtered by responding police,” CTH writes. “We found out about it, when six cops blew the whistle on severe criminal conduct they were being instructed to hide.”
Media reports corroborate the external results of the new policies implemented in Broward, and school district superintendent Robert Runcie, who had been brought in from the Chicago public school system to mitigate the massive issues in Broward, was hailed as a hero as suspensions magically dropped by 40% percent and arrests by 66% in just two years.
Don't think he is going to get re-elected.