Packing Heat! Need some suggestions

[Cdog]

Not a ccw case but a year or two ago there was a guy in Anaheim hills that shot an unarmed burglar in his garage & front yard.

I believe there were no charges.

I think it’s highly dependent on where you’re at.

 

[Bobby V]

Not a ccw case but a year or two ago there was a guy in Anaheim hills that shot an unarmed burglar in his garage & front yard.

I believe there were no charges.

I think it’s highly dependent on where you’re at.

 

[Done-it-again]

Not a ccw case but a year or two ago there was a guy in Anaheim hills that shot an unarmed burglar in his garage & front yard.

I believe there were no charges.

I think it’s highly dependent on where you’re at.

In my class it was mentioned the front yard is public property but not the garage. I can’t come outside and cap someone in the front. As soon as they enter the garage, inside or back yard no questions just unload.

I agree it depends on the area you live in. That includes the LEO’s that petrol the area, SBCSD fully backs armed citizens.

 

[Cdog]

Yep! Thx for posting. I use to live down the street off of Silver Star, the neighborhood the perp was hiding in prior.

 

[Cdog]

In my class it was mentioned the front yard is public property but not the garage. I can’t come outside and cap someone in the front. As soon as they enter the garage, inside or back yard no questions just unload.

I agree it depends on the area you live in. That includes the LEO’s that petrol the area, SBCSD fully backs armed citizens.

In OC & SD I think you’re in good hands. Most of my LAPD & LA sheriff friends live in OC.

 

[was thatguy]

Could you give an example where pulling your weapon and not firing is appropriate?

Well, the several times I ran my drug addict brother off my front porch at 2 in the morning...

 

[Old Texan]

Carrying a loaded firearm includes keeping it out of the hands of a lunatic on drugs. If that unarmed lunatic attacks, he could possibly take that firearm and shoot the person and anyone else in the area.....Armed or not does not reduce the risk of danger. 'Choot 'em!

That's why anyone with a carry permit must have a group like Texas Lawshield on speed dial. They offer coverage in other states or check your state for similar coverage.....

https://www.uslawshield.com/

 

[BHC Vic]

Backing bldrinker up. This is what is taught at the Sheriffs department CCW class in CA and was told the same thing. Don’t escalate the situation and if you do, the chances become slimmer in proving self-defense. Also using your weapon in a self defense situation, the weapon is confiscated and more than likely not getting it back.

I agree. A crazy guy looking for an ass beating isn’t really putting my life in immediate danger. If he has a gun, completely different. I’m from ca and have only taken a few classes. I’m very pro gun but reading that situation I don’t think my gun comes out. The guy starts beating the shit out of me then that’s different. But again I live in California. Although right now I’m in Tucson, and there’s a sign at the Door that says leave your gun in your truck please

 

[pronstar]

The day you begin to EDC a gun, is the day choose to lose every argument and verbal altercation you ever encounter.

It’s also the day you become the nicest guy on the planet.

That doesn’t mean you run and/or act like a submissive bitch...if threatened with injury or death, you have every right to stand your ground and protect yourself.

And in TX at least, you’re afforded civil immunity if it’s a legal shooting.


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[Cdog]

Carrying a loaded firearm includes keeping it out of the hands of a lunatic on drugs. If that unarmed lunatic attacks, he could possibly take that firearm and shoot the person and anyone else in the area.....Armed or not does not reduce the risk of danger. 'Choot 'em!

That's why anyone with a carry permit must have a group like Texas Lawshield on speed dial. They offer coverage in other states or check your state for similar coverage.....

https://www.uslawshield.com/

My main concern was my daughter. I have no idea what that random wacko was capable of. He felt the need to prove something when I was trying to move on and in all honesty was caught off guard while trying to help someone.

I can tell you when you see someone high as a kite and looking for trouble you’ll know it. He was hopped up ready for war and I was directing traffic in a parking lot. Lol!

I’ve carried a gun with me since 1998 and this was the first time I had to pull my gun. The incident happened around 2012.

 

[BHC Vic]

My main concern was my daughter. I have no idea what that random wacko was capable of. He felt the need to prove something when I was trying to move on and in all honesty was caught off guard while trying to help someone.

I can tell you when you see someone high as a kite and looking for trouble you’ll know it. He was hopped up ready for war and I was directing traffic in a parking lot. Lol!

I’ve carried a gun with me since 1998 and this was the first time I had to pull my gun. The incident happened around 2012.

I believe in California if you feel your life or immediate family members life is in danger you can defend. Like I said only a few classes for me, but I was told life in danger is the key and if you can’t prove it you’re in trouble. In Cali unarmed crazy man I’m not sure that’s enough. Anyone know what happened to the cop who’s gun accidentally went off when he was arguing w the teenagers about walking on his grass?

 

[Cdog]

I believe in California if you feel your life or immediate family members life is in danger you can defend. Like I said only a few classes for me, but I was told life in danger is the key and if you can’t prove it you’re in trouble. In Cali unarmed crazy man I’m not sure that’s enough. Anyone know what happened to the cop who’s gun accidentally went off when he was arguing w the teenagers about walking on his grass?

Also on wether castle doctrine applies. In my case it did. I was in my truck and he showed malicious intent to harm both verbally and physically. I would have been in my legal right to shoot if he put his hand through the open window or tried to enter the vehicle. I stopped him in his tracks. He wasn’t looking for a conversation to work things out.

Considering my options at the moment.....

Try to roll up the window in time and back down. He probably would have taunted, hit the window & kicked my truck.

Exit the truck and try to calm him down. Don’t think he was rational and suspected he was high as a kite or had issues.

Call cops while he damages my property. He most likely would have beat the shit out of my door then taken off before cops got there.

Get out, fight. If I win I get sued, if I loose my daughter is in the truck.

What were my options?

 

[BHC Vic]

Also on wether castle doctrine applies. In my case it did. I was in my truck and he showed malicious intent to harm both verbally and physically. I would have been in my legal right to shoot if he put his hand through the open window or tried to enter the vehicle. I stopped him in his tracks. He wasn’t looking for a conversation to work things out.

Considering my options at the moment.....

Try to roll up the window in time and back down. He probably would have taunted, hit the window & kicked my truck.

Exit the truck and try to calm him down. Don’t think he was rational and suspected he was high as a kite or had issues.

Call cops while he damages my property. He most likely would have beat the shit out of my door then taken off before cops got there.

Get out, fight. If I win I get sued, if I loose my daughter is in the truck.

What were my options?

Me personally... I let him beat on my property. I’ve learned i don’t really have anything to prove anymore, and even if I was in the right 1. I Would never want to shoot someone in front of my kids, and 2 I don’t have the time or money to deal with all the legal issues that are sure to follow. Court dates appearances etc. he dents up my truck... eh not that big of a deal. Not worth killing someone anyways. Of course two years ago I would probably giving a much different answer. Back then I was very anti gun. But would have no problem getting out and putting him on his ass. Now I don’t want to beat anyone up in front of my kids and I damn sure don’t want to get beat up by anyone in front of my kids. I can’t believe I’m typing that lol. Times have changed


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[Cdog]

Me personally... I let him beat on my property. I’ve learned i don’t really have anything to prove anymore, and even if I was in the right 1. I Would never want to shoot someone in front of my kids, and 2 I don’t have the time or money to deal with all the legal issues that are sure to follow. Court dates appearances etc. he dents up my truck... eh not that big of a deal. Not worth killing someone anyways. Of course two years ago I would probably giving a much different answer. Back then I was very anti gun. But would have no problem getting out and putting him on his ass. Now I don’t want to beat anyone up in front of my kids and I damn sure don’t want to get beat up by anyone in front of my kids. I can’t believe I’m typing that lol. Times have changed


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I can respect that. It’s your choice.

At the time I was in my mid 30’s, with my toddler, caught off guard. Not a lot of time to sort out the details from the time shit got real.

Now days when I see a crazy person I go the opposite direction. I didn’t have the opportunity at that point.

There was nothing to prove other than this is the line in the sand where I’m no longer entertaining this bs. Move on or else.

I’d do the same today. I am the final line between danger & my family.

 

[DLC]

Maybe back up, drive away, honk your horn, pull up / out your phone pretending to video the incident.... you were the one with the gun, things happen fast, you made a comment so he focused /spotlighted on you, maybe he thought you wanted to rock and roll with a fight....


As long as you feel you did everything in your power to dissolve the situation, you should not loose any sleep or need to justify your actions....

Your the only one that can say that...

 

[CJ_Donahue]

First let me say I love guns and own 9 of them. Also I have carried in AZ as well.

But.....I wonder how often citizens with guns actually need to use them in public? I would think you would need them for home/business protection more so then out in public?

In my 37 years of existence I can't think of one situation out in public that I needed a gun??

I have a newer daily driver but still carry jumper cables and a small tool kit. Never expect to need them, hope I don't, but will be ready if needed. A gun is a tool in my opinion.

 

[DC-88]

I have a ccw valid in Az and had a close call in ,shockingly...BHC last summer. It was hot as hell and the wife and I took one of my old single cab work trucks which had a .40 in the console to pick up a bed she'd ordered. We pull up to a side loading dock I'd been to before off HWY 95 but all doors were closed, so I turned a partial U turn to head to the other side when I noticed an suv hauling ass out of the desert through a little opening in a beat up fence. I stopped to let it go by. As the dude (who was about my size and build but probably 10 years younger) passed he turned his whole shoulder and looked all bug eyed out the open window . My wife laughed and said "that dude is totally staring you down! ha ha "...
I laughed too cause he looked like a fuckin' freak on something a pay grade above meth but just then he skidded to a stop and started to make body language like... I could just tell he was gonna bum rush my side of the truck. It all happened so fast, just like us non LE types learn about from the class and our cop buddies. I had enough time to draw or get out and square up on him and fight but he looked unarmed and we had already made half the turn so before he got out I just made a split decision and wheeled it around to the other side of the store and parked. He didn't follow. We went in and while waiting for our bed to be located were still laughing about how stereotypically spun the dude looked when all the staff in the store started freaking out. Someone had come back into the other parking lot and jacked the delivery truck with a load of furniture in it. I asked them if the dude was driving a blue trooper and the guys said yes. Before we even loaded up reports came back he wrecked the stolen truck ( obviously the trooper was stolen too) and the cops had him.
I guess my point is , having your handgun in the nightstand with no kids in the house is easy. Carrying and getting caught in that grey area is where it gets tougher. Don't get me wrong, I grew up hunting and could've closed him out before heading to and eating a nice big lunch but you need to be prepared to shoot an unarmed attacker and deal with the legal nightmare to follow if it isn't a totally obvious situation. Having said that I'm thankful to be able to continue to carry !

 

[Old Texan]

My main concern was my daughter. I have no idea what that random wacko was capable of. He felt the need to prove something when I was trying to move on and in all honesty was caught off guard while trying to help someone.

I can tell you when you see someone high as a kite and looking for trouble you’ll know it. He was hopped up ready for war and I was directing traffic in a parking lot. Lol!

I’ve carried a gun with me since 1998 and this was the first time I had to pull my gun. The incident happened around 2012.

You did the right thing from my point of view.

 

[Ballyhoo]

Not a ccw case but a year or two ago there was a guy in Anaheim hills that shot an unarmed burglar in his garage & front yard.

I believe there were no charges.

I think it’s highly dependent on where you’re at.

Its more about the specific facts of the incident over where you are.

 

[Ballyhoo]

The day you begin to EDC a gun, is the day choose to lose every argument and verbal altercation you ever encounter.

It’s also the day you become the nicest guy on the planet.

That doesn’t mean you run and/or act like a submissive bitch...if threatened with injury or death, you have every right to stand your ground and protect yourself.

And in TX at least, you’re afforded civil immunity if it’s a legal shooting.


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Spot on

 

[dribble]

First let me say I love guns and own 9 of them. Also I have carried in AZ as well.

But.....I wonder how often citizens with guns actually need to use them in public? I would think you would need them for home/business protection more so then out in public?

In my 37 years of existence I can't think of one situation out in public that I needed a gun??

I had one with a couple of tweekers road raging on me. I was glad I had it. Didn't need to pull it but it was close.