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[robby dmax]

Another vote for federal HST ammo in 9mm for carry.

 

[robby dmax]

For the IWB holsters my goto is my Vedder then I also have a concealment Express that is pretty darn nice for the money.
Then I have an eclipse that is also pretty good.

 

[2Driver]

All I can say about your 40 Cal is you better hope to God it doesn't go threw that person and then strike an innocent bystander.

That’s true, there is a guy's life being ruined right now for shooting a dog that was attacking his puppy. The shot went into a bystanders foot. Besides a dog life is not cause for shooting a weapon in town.

The poor guy trying to save his dogs life is now looking at 10-20 and financial ruin.

I spoke with him for an hour at cabelas prior to his trial. It was a numbing moment to speak to this father and family man facing ruin.

 

[Ballyhoo]

So the facts needed to support your opinion that one caliber is superior to another, is predicated on me getting shot three times, by three different bullets?

I’m not sure if I’m down with your methodology.

So I’ll just rely on data collected from countless fatal and non-fatal shootings, and the near-unanimous opinions of well-respected experts in the field.

There’s little to no difference in the “end result” from 45acp, 40 and 9mm.

One caliber has no superiority when using modern, defensive loads. They’re statistically equal.


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100% correct.

I have studied the available data and have seen dozens of actual victims of gunshots.

Included in these victims was a guy that was hit ten times with quality 45 acp defensive ammo. He continued to fight and struggle for almost ten minutes. He made it to the trauma center and was still alive. He died in surgery. A single round out of ten ended up being the only fatal round. It just took awhile. Can you say shot placement?

I have many more real world examples that bust the handgun caliber and knockdown power myth.

In my opinion many folks believe what the whack job gun store guy tells them or what they see in a movie or on tv. Most don’t have any real world experience.

In the end I don’t care what you carry or how you carry it. Just make sure that you are properly trained, contiuously train, proficient and prepared to legally use it when the time comes.

If that commitment is not there, you are a liability to yourself, your family and you are giving yourself a false sense of security.

 

[Riverbound]

Best thing I've read on this thread, also because you can carry here in Az there's still a lot of places you can't. Another thing, when and if you get pulled over and you have a gun it's not going to be a quick traffic stop, they'll get you out, get the gun then check you out in every way to make sure you can legally own a gun, even with or without a ccw.

I have been pulled over a few times now. Only one time did the officer ask where the gun was. And had no interest in seeing it. Both in AZ and Ca.


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[Old Texan]

Interesting. In CA there is no specific law that prohibits carrying into a bar. There is a restriction on your CCW that says you can't carry into an establishment who's PRIMARY function is to serve alcohol. There is not a 51% rule nor are there signs posted. I carry into to establishments that serve food and alcohol all the time. I don't know what their ratio is and neither does LE. You cannot consume any alcohol while carrying though.


As stated on my license:

While exercising the privileges granted to the licensee under the terms of this license, the licensee
shall not, when carrying a concealed weapon:
• Consume any alcoholic beverage.
• Be in a place having a primary purpose of dispensing alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption.

If I were to get caught carrying into a bar without food service, the worst thing that could happen is that I would lose my permit.

Texas has screwy liquor laws. Many liquor permits require the establishment to serve food under the premise it brings in the majority of revenue. These are for restaurants and their permit is less in cost. The gun laws are effected by the liquor law guidelines.

 

[pronstar]

Texas has screwy liquor laws. Many liquor permits require the establishment to serve food under the premise it brings in the majority of revenue. These are for restaurants and their permit is less in cost. The gun laws are effected by the liquor law guidelines.

But seemingly no shortage of liquor licenses.

It’s surprising how many hole in the wall restaurants have a liquor license and a full bar.




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[River Runnin]

Even makes the small a bit mightier!

 

[Old Texan]

But seemingly no shortage of liquor licenses.

It’s surprising how many hole in the wall restaurants have a liquor license and a full bar.




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You will find various counties and communities with crazy liquor laws. Houston still has small pockets of dry areas. Still many dry counties. Places where you can only drink in a club and have to buy a membership. Some areas won't allow memberships to be given freely and you have to pay.

One of the dumbest rules I've ever seen is adult clubs that allow minors to enter if they purchase wear a colored arm band and promise not to drink......Hell when I was young, getting in was the hard part, drinking when inside was easy.

I live in Brazoria county which was dry except for beer until about 40 years ago. The deal was we had to go to the county line to get liquor where it was legal. Idiots never took into account they were putting drivers on the road that drank all the way home. We still only have several municipalities that allow liquor store and some have only allowed liquor by the drink with in the last decade.....Then you go to LA and can buy booze in damned near any store.

Nope Texas liquor laws are crazy and vary.

 

[Old Texan]

None so I really don't see a need for a gun to "subdue a bad guy".

No offense, but you seem to me the type I'd not want to have to depend on if there was trouble with bad guys.

Or do you have physical defense skills we haven't heard about? And not of a sexual nature......

 

[pronstar]

You will find various counties and communities with crazy liquor laws. Houston still has small pockets of dry areas. Still many dry counties. Places where you can only drink in a club and have to buy a membership. Some areas won't allow memberships to be given freely and you have to pay.

One of the dumbest rules I've ever seen is adult clubs that allow minors to enter if they purchase wear a colored arm band and promise not to drink......Hell when I was young, getting in was the hard part, drinking when inside was easy.

I live in Brazoria county which was dry except for beer until about 40 years ago. The deal was we had to go to the county line to get liquor where it was legal. Idiots never took into account they were putting drivers on the road that drank all the way home. We still only have several municipalities that allow liquor store and some have only allowed liquor by the drink with in the last decade.....Then you go to LA and can buy booze in damned near any store.

Nope Texas liquor laws are crazy and vary.

Yeah it’s definitely weird here.

Mesquite has no hard-liquor sales in stores. And gambling is illegal.

But beer/wine stores have slot machines, and winning gets you credits to be used toward beer/wine purchases.

I worked with a guy from a wealthy family that owns a liquor store in Texas.

The store is on the finger of the county that plunges deep into a neighboring dry county. It’s the only store for literally several miles that folks in the dry county can legally buy booze. They make a killing...

It still kills me that Costco carries no hard booze, I have to go to a hard-booze store to buy anything other than beer/wine, and I can’t buy booze on Sundays.



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[Old Texan]

Yeah it’s definitely weird here.

Mesquite has no hard-liquor sales in stores. And gambling is illegal.

But beer/wine stores have slot machines, and winning gets you credits to be used toward beer/wine purchases.

I worked with a guy from a wealthy family that owns a liquor store in Texas.

The store is on the finger of the county that plunges deep into a neighboring dry county. It’s the only store for literally several miles that folks in the dry county can legally buy booze. They make a killing...

It still kills me that Costco carries no hard booze, I have to go to a hard-booze store to buy anything other than beer/wine, and I can’t buy booze on Sundays.



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Houston Costos have attached liquor stores.

Specs dominates this area and is opening more and more around the state. They are great liquor stores and the original on Smith St in Houston is pretty cool. Great deli in store

No Sunday sales anywhere. Ask the old timers about the Texas Blue Laws.....Hasn't been all that long when all retail businesses had to close 1 day a week and Sunday was the one most chose. The Baptists and Methodists ran Texas with an iron hand for many years.

 

[pronstar]

Houston Costos have attached liquor stores.

Specs dominates this area and is opening more and more around the state. They are great liquor stores and the original on Smith St in Houston is pretty cool. Great deli in store

No Sunday sales anywhere. Ask the old timers about the Texas Blue Laws.....Hasn't been all that long when all retail businesses had to close 1 day a week and Sunday was the one most chose. The Baptists and Methodists ran Texas with an iron hand for many years.

I’ve read about the attached liquor stores. Brilliant idea.

Effects of the blue laws are still with us.

Car dealers can sell on Saturday or Sunday, but not both. Nearly all choose to close on Sunday.

Numerous bills to kill this law have been floated over the years, but dealers and dealer groups have never backed them, so they die in committee.

It’s strange for a former Californian to see every car dealership closed on Sunday.


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[BHC Vic]

You get what you pay for imo

 

[SKIDMARC]

First let me say I love guns and own 9 of them. Also I have carried in AZ as well.

But.....I wonder how often citizens with guns actually need to use them in public? I would think you would need them for home/business protection more so then out in public?

In my 37 years of existence I can't think of one situation out in public that I needed a gun??

 

[Riverbound]

First let me say I love guns and own 9 of them. Also I have carried in AZ as well.

But.....I wonder how often citizens with guns actually need to use them in public? I would think you would need them for home/business protection more so then out in public?

In my 37 years of existence I can think of one situation out in public that I needed a gun??

My Dad always said....better to have and not need then to need and not have.


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[SKIDMARC]

My Dad always said....better to have and not need then to need and not have.


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Wise words by a wise man....

I wonder if there are statistics out there re it. I tried a search but couldn't find anything other than gun hating articles.

 

[pronstar]

First let me say I love guns and own 9 of them. Also I have carried in AZ as well.

But.....I wonder how often citizens with guns actually need to use them in public? I would think you would need them for home/business protection more so then out in public?

In my 37 years of existence I can't think of one situation out in public that I needed a gun??

The stats are about the same for in your home also.

Most of us will never need to use a gun.

Nevertheless, anywhere from 500,000 - 3 million defensive gun use instances happen annually.




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[wsuwrhr]

Yessir.

My Dad always said....better to have and not need then to need and not have.

Wise words by a wise man....

I wonder if there are statistics out there re it. I tried a search but couldn't find anything other than gun hating articles.

 

[Old Texan]

First let me say I love guns and own 9 of them. Also I have carried in AZ as well.

But.....I wonder how often citizens with guns actually need to use them in public? I would think you would need them for home/business protection more so then out in public?

In my 37 years of existence I can't think of one situation out in public that I needed a gun??

My wife and I own a restaurant and carry cash home each night. Local LE is out there but crooks are smart in knowing where vulnerabilities exist. Also I've worked in very hard areas and had jobs where I had cash on me. I'm street smart enough to not get into vulnerable positions, plus make sure my "pacifist" wife isn't either, and done it for the most part without a gun. But times have drastically changed and I will not go about unarmed.

Guys like poor old, "all about me", Grads don't grasp this reality but frankly going "unheeled" in today's world is a fool's mission.....

 

[Old Texan]

The stays are about the same for in your home also.

Most of us will never need to use a gun.

Nevertheless, anywhere from 500,000 - 3 million defensive gun use instances happen annually.




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Exactly, no one ever knows when they could become a "statistic".....

 

[BoatCop]

First let me say I love guns and own 9 of them. Also I have carried in AZ as well.

But.....I wonder how often citizens with guns actually need to use them in public? I would think you would need them for home/business protection more so then out in public?

In my 37 years of existence I can't think of one situation out in public that I needed a gun??

I carry, nearly full time, on and off the job since 1987. Before that (since 1975) I carried off the job, more than on, since the Coast Guard issued our weapons for the specific operation, and we weren't armed on duty full time.

While I've pulled my weapon on duty more times than I can count, (high risk stop, home/business clearing, search warrant service, etc.) I've never had to fire it, outside of range or other training. I've racked my shotgun on my property a few times when I've heard prowlers (followed by the pitter-patter of fast running feet), but have otherwise never had to display or brandish my firearm(s) when off duty.

But with mall shootings, targeted police officers, kamikaze rental trucks, the knock-out game and general bad manners, I wouldn't think of going out without one. It only takes one incident, and having done this for 43 years, I never know when my ticket will get drawn.

 

[SKIDMARC]

I carry, nearly full time, on and off the job since 1987. Before that (since 1975) I carried off the job, more than on, since the Coast Guard issued our weapons for the specific operation, and we weren't armed on duty full time.

While I've pulled my weapon on duty more times than I can count, (high risk stop, home/business clearing, search warrant service, etc.) I've never had to fire it, outside of range or other training. I've racked my shotgun on my property a few times when I've heard prowlers (followed by the pitter-patter of fast running feet), but have otherwise never had to display or brandish my firearm(s) when off duty.

But with mall shootings, targeted police officers, kamikaze rental trucks, the knock-out game and general bad manners, I wouldn't think of going out without one. It only takes one incident, and having done this for 43 years, I never know when my ticket will get drawn.

Very good points...

My wife and I own a restaurant and carry cash home each night. Local LE is out there but crooks are smart in knowing where vulnerabilities exist. Also I've worked in very hard areas and had jobs where I had cash on me. I'm street smart enough to not get into vulnerable positions, plus make sure my "pacifist" wife isn't either, and done it for the most part without a gun. But times have drastically changed and I will not go about unarmed.

Guys like poor old, "all about me", Grads don't grasp this reality but frankly going "unheeled" in today's world is a fool's mission.....

Also some good points.

 

[CLdrinker]

First let me say I love guns and own 9 of them. Also I have carried in AZ as well.

But.....I wonder how often citizens with guns actually need to use them in public? I would think you would need them for home/business protection more so then out in public?

In my 37 years of existence I can't think of one situation out in public that I needed a gun??

We duh Ofcourse you can’t think of a time you needed it. If you would have needed it in the last 37yrs you would be dead because you didn’t have it.

 

[SKIDMARC]

We duh Ofcourse you can’t think of a time you needed it. If you would have needed it in the last 37yrs you would be dead because you didn’t have it.

Ummmm...Not necessarily ......

 

[CLdrinker]

Ummmm...Not necessarily ......

My issuing officer said if your drawing your weapon you have already made the decision to shoot. And that will be the case 99% of the time.

If a bad guy is robbing me and he clearly has no gun my gun most likely is not coming out.
That’s about the only situation I can see you drawing a gun and not firing. Could you give an example where pulling your weapon and not firing is appropriate?

 

[CLdrinker]

You know what really sucks about carrying?
If you are pulling your gun out it’s because someelse already has a gun out!
Never a good situation.

 

[DLC]

When traveling back and fourth to Havasu or Central Coast to visit my brother I have one in a locked box in my truck or any car I drive, I can’t reach it from the drivers seat but I can pull over and get it fairly quick with out opening the doors...

I got a flat tire just before eagle mountain rd and pulled off to change it and 1st thing I did was get my protection accessible just in case. I was also alone. Txted the wife I had to change a tire and where I was and let her know I would txt back when I got rolling again

I didn’t Realize that some guy walked up and asked if I was ok and if I needed help, I didn’t see him approach and didn’t hear him drive by, I kept some distance between us but I felt safe the entire time... it was kind of a weird situation... awkward

I swapped out the trailer tires and was back on the road in 19 minutes, the time between txts to my wife, and that was with a brief conversation and it was hot as Hell in July

 

[Cdog]

First let me say I love guns and own 9 of them. Also I have carried in AZ as well.

But.....I wonder how often citizens with guns actually need to use them in public? I would think you would need them for home/business protection more so then out in public?

In my 37 years of existence I can't think of one situation out in public that I needed a gun??

Two times.

I had my 2 year old in my truck with me while I was navigating around the parking lot of a CVS. I moved forward to make room for an old guy in a 70’s caddy when some whiskey tango freak on meth in another car came unglued and started yelling & threatening me for no reason. I yelled just move your shit box and go on your way then he slammed his car to a stop, jumped out of his shit box and approached the drivers side of my truck looking for a fight.

I had my widow down as I was previously trying to help out the old guy in the caddy. This guy rushed up to my truck in a way where you know something is about to go down, I pulled my 45 on this half wit when he was about 5 foot from my door and let him know if he gets closer I’m gonna kill him.

He backed away like some squirrelly fuck who knew he bit off too much. I wasn’t gonna mess around with my daughter in the truck with me.

This was within a year of taking a combat handgun class with magpul. It’s amazing how your training takes over.


Second time I had my 5 year old daughter and puppy out on a hike behind my house when a family of havalina came trotting by. The big one in back stopped and gave some contemplation on charging one of us. I drew my 45 and was ready if it made one step towards any of us. Luckily it moved on after a 30 second stand off.

Ya just never know what you’ll run across.

 

[CLdrinker]

Two times.

I had my 2 year old in my truck with me while I was navigating around the parking lot of a CVS. I moved forward to make room for an old guy in a 70’s caddy when some whiskey tango freak on meth came unglued and started yelling at me. I yelled just move your shit box then he slammed his car to a stop, jumped out of his shit box and approached the drivers side of my truck looking for a fight.

I had my widow down as I was previously trying to help out the old guy in the caddy so I pulled my 45 on this half wit when he was about 5 foot from my door and let him know if he gets closer I’m gonna kill him.

He backed away like some squirrelly fuck who knew he bit off too much. I wasn’t gonna fuck around with my daughter in the truck with me.

This was within a year of taking a combat handgun class with magpul. It’s amazing how your training takes over.


Second time I had my 5 year old daughter and puppy out on a hike behind my house when a family of havalina came trotting by. The big one in back stopped and gave some contemplation on charging one of us. I drew my 45 and was ready if it made one step towards any of us. Luckily it moved on after a 30 second stand off.

Ya just never know what you’ll run across.

You realize the meth incounter was your fault right?

 

[Cdog]

You realize the meth incounter was your fault right?

No it wasn’t. Dude was rushing my vehicle looking for a fight. I never left my vehicle.

Castle doctrine applies to your occupied vehicles in AZ.

 

[CLdrinker]

No it wasn’t. Dude was rushing my vehicle looking for a fight. I never left my vehicle.

Castle doctrine applies to your occupied vehicles in AZ.

Yes but you skipped a step in the scenario. “I yelled move your shitbox” ring a bell? That is escalating the situation.

If you hadn’t insulted the guy or if you would have ignored him then whe can discuss your point about castle doctrine.

 

[Cdog]

Yes but you skipped a step in the scenario. “I yelled move your shitbox” ring a bell? That is escalating the situation.

If you hadn’t insulted the guy or if you would have ignored him then whe can discuss your point about castle doctrine.

Wrong.

I’m now sworn LE and you’re wrong.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Stupidest comment of the day.

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You must be new. He wins that contest most days.

 

[CLdrinker]

Wrong.

I’m now sworn LE and you’re wrong.

So I can run my mouth over a parking spot and shoot a guy?

So you are saying that you won’t haul me to jail when there is a dead guy laying in the parking lot?
The DA and the dead guys family won’t sue me costing me thousands upon thousands of dollars?

How much is your pride worth to you?

If you are a sworn officer you know it’s better not to escalate the situation when guns are involved.

By the way making the comment I’m sworn LE is interesting. So we have a sworn LE that brandishes firearms over a parking lot argument?

Given your profession I would not be giving out any advice or what you can or can not do when it comes to shooting people.

 

[Cdog]

So I can run my mouth over a parking spot and shoot a guy?

So you are saying that you won’t haul me to jail when there is a dead guy laying in the parking lot?
The DA and the dead guys family won’t sue me costing me thousands upon thousands of dollars?

How much is your pride worth to you?

If you are a sworn officer you know it’s better not to escalate the situation when guns are involved.

By the way making the comment I’m sworn LE is interesting. So we have a sworn LE that brandishes firearms over a parking lot argument?

Given your profession I would not be giving out any advice or what you can or can not do when it comes to shooting people.

You can run your mouth all ya want, up until the time you threaten people.

You are obviously looking to pick your own story here and I have no interest in going round and round with your what ifs. The guy was hostile and yelling like an unhinged meth head. Did i need to detail that more for you? His reaction was beyond a road rage situation. This was prior to me yelling at him to move his shit box.

He charged my vehicle stopping within a couple feet when he found out what I had waiting for him.

Quit playing keyboard commando and have a coke.

The point to my post is you never know all the instances a gun is used to de escalate a situation when they don’t get reported. Bad guys don’t report when a gun was pulled on them.

 

[Old Texan]

So I can run my mouth over a parking spot and shoot a guy?

So you are saying that you won’t haul me to jail when there is a dead guy laying in the parking lot?
The DA and the dead guys family won’t sue me costing me thousands upon thousands of dollars?

How much is your pride worth to you?

If you are a sworn officer you know it’s better not to escalate the situation when guns are involved.

By the way making the comment I’m sworn LE is interesting. So we have a sworn LE that brandishes firearms over a parking lot argument?

Given your profession I would not be giving out any advice or what you can or can not do when it comes to shooting people.

But he does not breakdance with loaded weapon in his belt......

 

[CLdrinker]

You can run your mouth all ya want, up until the time you threaten people.

You are obviously looking to pick your own story here and I have no interest in going round and round with your what ifs. The guy was hostile and yelling like an unhinged meth head. Did i need to detail that more for you? His reaction was beyond a road rage situation. This was prior to me yelling at him to move his shit box.

He charged my vehicle stopping within a couple feet when he found out what I had waiting for him.

Quit playing keyboard commando and have a coke.

The point to my post is you never know all the instances a gun is used to de escalate a situation when they don’t get reported. Bad guys don’t report when a gun was pulled on them.

So you left out detailed information of the incedent before you yelled at him.

While discussing instance where it’s appropriate to use a gun you should always have the detailed information available but you did not provide that so I went off what you said

I’m sure your reports are better while you are on duty.

Not being a keyboard Commando at all just pointing out anything a Lawyer will take you to task on during a trial wether you like it or not that is going to come up.

I’m Procop and pro gun and I’ll take my Coke with Jack if you’re buying

 

[Cdog]

So you left out detailed information of the incedent before you yelled at him.

While discussing instance where it’s appropriate to use a gun you should always have the detailed information available but you did not provide that so I went off what you said

I’m sure your reports are better while you are on duty.

Not being a keyboard Commando at all just pointing out anything a Lawyer will take you to task on during a trial wether you like it or not that is going to come up.

I’m Procop and pro gun and I’ll take my Coke with Jack if you’re buying

I have edited the Og post to provide more details on the lead up to what happened. I typed it on my phone while waiting for a delayed flight out of Dallas.

I escalated force once I was given no choice. Luckily I didn’t have to pull the trigger. Bad words & insults are still considered protected by the 1st amendment. Threatening words with intent is where the red light turns on.

The spirit of my post was to point out you’ll never know all the times something bad was prevented by someone who stood their ground with a gun or another weapon.

Shortly after the event I explained the incident to a Scottsdale swat member during a carbine class. He backed up I had done nothing wrong.

Cheers

 

[CLdrinker]

I have edited the Og post to provide more details on the lead up to what happened. I typed it on my phone while waiting for a delayed flight out of Dallas.

I escalated force once I was given no choice. Luckily I didn’t have to pull he trigger.

The spirit of my post was to point out you’ll never know all the times something bad was prevented by someone who stood their ground with a gun or another weapon.

Shortly after the event I explained the incident to a Scottsdale swat member during a carbine class. He backed up I had done nothing wrong.

Cheers

It’s all good all I’m trying to illustrate is avoid the confrontation at all costs because if you shoot someone you are going to get arrested weather is a good shot or bad shoot and you sure as hell are going to end up in court.

A lot of people think if you shoot someone and the police think it is justified you get to go home and Netflix and chill that is not the fucking case At all.

 

[Cdog]

It’s all good all I’m trying to illustrate is avoid the confrontation at all costs because if you shoot someone you are going to get arrested weather is a good shot or bad shoot and you sure as hell are going to end up in court.

A lot of people think if you shoot someone and the police think it is justified you get to go home and Netflix and chill that is not the fucking case At all.

I guess it depends what state you’re in. In AZ if it’s justifiable self defense, theyre going to collect your weapon for evidence, get a statment and turn you loose providing you check out.

Once the DA has a look at the case and it’s determined justifiable self defense you can go in a pick up your weapon.

 

[SKIDMARC]

My issuing officer said if your drawing your weapon you have already made the decision to shoot. And that will be the case 99% of the time.

If a bad guy is robbing me and he clearly has no gun my gun most likely is not coming out.
That’s about the only situation I can see you drawing a gun and not firing. Could you give an example where pulling your weapon and not firing is appropriate?

If a guy is coming at you with a knife intending to stab you.........

Sounds like your LEO...so different circumstances than a civilians doing their daily thing.

Also see the post from CDOG.......Below

 

[SKIDMARC]

Two times.

I had my 2 year old in my truck with me while I was navigating around the parking lot of a CVS. I moved forward to make room for an old guy in a 70’s caddy when some whiskey tango freak on meth in another car came unglued and started yelling & threatening me for no reason. I yelled just move your shit box and go on your way then he slammed his car to a stop, jumped out of his shit box and approached the drivers side of my truck looking for a fight.

I had my widow down as I was previously trying to help out the old guy in the caddy. This guy rushed up to my truck in a way where you know something is about to go down, I pulled my 45 on this half wit when he was about 5 foot from my door and let him know if he gets closer I’m gonna kill him.

He backed away like some squirrelly fuck who knew he bit off too much. I wasn’t gonna mess around with my daughter in the truck with me.

This was within a year of taking a combat handgun class with magpul. It’s amazing how your training takes over.


Second time I had my 5 year old daughter and puppy out on a hike behind my house when a family of havalina came trotting by. The big one in back stopped and gave some contemplation on charging one of us. I drew my 45 and was ready if it made one step towards any of us. Luckily it moved on after a 30 second stand off.

Ya just never know what you’ll run across.

Those are crazy situations for sure, especially with you kids!!!!

 

[SKIDMARC]

I guess it depends what state you’re in. In AZ if it’s justifiable self defense, theyre going to collect your weapon for evidence, get a statment and turn you loose providing you check out.

Once the DA has a look at the case and it’s determined justifiable self defense you can go in a pick up your weapon.

So let me understand.....in AZ if a unarmed person charges you, you have the legal right to shoot and kill them?? That doesn't seem right?

 

[Cdog]

So let me understand.....in AZ if a unarmed person charges you, you have the legal right to shoot and kill them?? That doesn't seem right?

They don’t have to be armed with a gun to hurt or kill you. You have a right to self defense even if you have a better weapon. Especially if castle doctrine applies. In AZ it applies to your home & vehicle.

In my case I was caught in a situation where I normally wouldn’t be. I was trying to help out a blue hair and I ran across a freak looking for a fight. My kid was in the back seat and I was wearing flip flops and board shorts. This dude charged me like he was possessed. It’s rare to see a person like this but you know It when you see it. He wigged out like a dude turning into a zombie. Haha! Serious shit.

Brandishing a firearm will get you in a load of trouble if you’re the aggressor. I wasn’t the aggressor, but was in a defensive position.

 

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Wrong.

I’m now sworn LE and you’re wrong.

Backing bldrinker up. This is what is taught at the Sheriffs department CCW class in CA and was told the same thing. Don’t escalate the situation and if you do, the chances become slimmer in proving self-defense. Also using your weapon in a self defense situation, the weapon is confiscated and more than likely not getting it back.

 

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Backing bldrinker up. This is what is taught at the Sheriffs department CCW class in CA and was told the same thing. Don’t escalate the situation and if you do, the chances become slimmer in proving self-defense. Also using your weapon in a self defense situation, the weapon is confiscated and more than likely not getting it back.

In CA I believe it.

In AZ (Maricopa Co) you’ll get your weapon back if it’s justifiable. Telling someone to move on with their shit box once they’ve called you everything under the sun with hand jestures is not what I consider escalating the situation. I’d bet $1000 the guy was on drugs or some kind of mentality unstable nut.

Running up to my truck like a zombie freak is escalating.

Do you have to wait until someone car jacks you to defend yourself.

 

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They don’t have to be armed with a gun to hurt or kill you. You have a right to self defense even if you have a better weapon. Especially if castle doctrine applies. In AZ it applies to your home & vehicle.

In my case I was caught in a situation where I normally wouldn’t be. I was trying to help out a blue hair and I ran across a freak looking for a fight. My kid was in the back seat and I was wearing flip flops and board shorts. This dude charged me like he was possessed. It’s rare to see a person like this but you know It when you see it. He wigged out like a dude turning into a zombie. Haha! Serious shit.

Brandishing a firearm will get you in a load of trouble if you’re the aggressor. I wasn’t the aggressor, but was in a defensive position.

Ok very interesting....

 

[Cdog]

Ok very interesting....

Forgot to mention.
Trayvon martin wasn’t armed.

 

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In CA I believe it.

In AZ (Maricopa Co) you’ll get your weapon back if it’s justifiable. Telling someone to move on with their shit box once they’ve called you everything under the sun with hand jestures is not what I consider escalating the situation. I’d bet $1000 the guy was on drugs or some kind of mentality unstable nut.

Running up to my truck like a zombie freak is escalating.

Do you have to wait until someone car jacks you to defend yourself.

In CA I think you do.

It’s a fine line with intent. It’s even finer when your a citizen with a CCW and not LEO. But I took the responsiblity anyways. Cause you never know. I freak out in movie theaters, like fish in a barrel so we hardly go.