On a completely different note...

[rivermobster]

I hate to distract from all the drama, but...

 

[warpt71]

good distraction

 

[OLDRAAT]

Tell us more about it, Joe!

OR

 

[SBMech]

Awesome! Seriously one of my favorite cars, 69?

 

[Runs2rch]

OH MY!!!!!

That is gorgeous!!!!

 

[SoCalDave]

Buddy of mine had one in High School, that thing was a blast.

 

[Rondog4405]

Bad ass!!

 

[rivermobster]

Tell us more about it, Joe!

OR

1970. It's not a numbers matching car, but almost everything on it is period correct. Basically a tribute car. It has a few nice upgrades. Hydroboost brakes, MSD ignition, aluminum heads and I'm sure a few other things.

A guy I used to work with at Longo owns it. And what's funny is, a guy we both also worked with referred him to me. The middle guy doesnt work on these kinna cars, but he does have his own shop.

Runs like shit right now! lol Needs some love and attention. Six packs are a bitch to tune...doing a compression test right now to make sure the mechanicals are good. Such a pain in the azz to get a compression gauge on every cylinder!!!

 

[Sharp Shooter]

I'll take that over any beemer.

 

[nowski]

I hate to distract from all the drama, but...

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I'd love to sleep with her but I'm a married man, I'll have to wait for a distraction. Beep Beep...

 

[SBMech]

1970. It's not a numbers matching car, but almost everything on it is period correct. Basically a tribute car. It has a few nice upgrades. Hydroboost brakes, MSD ignition, aluminum heads and I'm sure a few other things.

A guy I used to work with at Longo owns it. And what's funny is, a guy we both also worked with referred him to me. The middle guy doesnt work on these kinna cars, but he does have his own shop.

Runs like shit right now! lol Needs some love and attention. Six packs are a bitch to tune...doing a compression test right now to make sure the mechanicals are good. Such a pain in the azz to get a compression gauge on every cylinder!!!

Make sure you use a AFM (calibrated air flow meter) on each horn before you touch shit, my experience with multiple carb tuning makes that "basic" measurement the MOST important part where to start.

Remember that unlike GM tri-power, all of the carbs run idle circuits, and need matching airflow to make any adjustments, only the center carb has an accelerator pump, and it's a HUGE squirt.

With an MSD plugs should be gapped at .050.

I know you probably know this shit already Joe, but my OCD makes me post it anyhow lol!

 

[robert1050]

I used to own a '70 440-6 "coda and learned a lot about keeping the motor running correctly. PM a phone number, I"ll try to talk you through it. There"s lots of things it could be.....

Oh, I own a 440 Magnum Challenger now.

 

[rivermobster]

I used to own a '70 440-6 "coda and learned a lot about keeping the motor running correctly. PM a phone number, I"ll try to talk you through it. There"s lots of things it could be.....

Oh, I own a 440 Magnum Challenger now.

Thanks Robert. I'm good. This kinna stuff is what I do for a living.

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https://rettsautomotive.com/

 

[FlyByWire]

One year too new. Still gorgeous though.

My absolute dream car is a 69.5.

 

[milkmoney]

Beep beep ............[emoji230]

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[rivermobster]

Compression is good, but...

Might need some fresh gas?

 

[Jonas Grumby]

Compression is good, but...

Might need some fresh gas?

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So,,she runs a bit rich, what’s the jar of gas, I can’t smell it from here?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Hey Mobster, you're from the Glendora area...A kid from Baja Glendora had a daily 383 Charger, auto car...The other car he and his dad built was a weekend bruiser, 440 4spd Roadrunner, black on black. This was 1995 or so. Beautiful cars, both of them!

 

[rivermobster]

So,,she runs a bit rich, what’s the jar of gas, I can’t smell it from here?

Old and nasty is what that is! LoL

Gas today is perfectly clear. It takes on a yellow like tint in about 3 weeks. This gas is almost orange. Tank is gonna get drained and flushed.

Customer told me when he fills it up, it only goes to half a tank. Found the sender float half full of fuel. A new sender will fix that problem for him.

 

[spectras only]

I remember the quote from the dealer to upgrade from the TQ carb in my 72 340 Challenger to the triple setup was $1500 It was quite bit of $$$, considering that I paid $4700+tax for the whole car
Was always envious of guys with their Charger 440 Magnums, leaving me in the dust

 

[rrrr]

1970. It's not a numbers matching car, but almost everything on it is period correct. Basically a tribute car. It has a few nice upgrades. Hydroboost brakes, MSD ignition, aluminum heads and I'm sure a few other things.

A guy I used to work with at Longo owns it. And what's funny is, a guy we both also worked with referred him to me. The middle guy doesnt work on these kinna cars, but he does have his own shop.

Runs like shit right now! lol Needs some love and attention. Six packs are a bitch to tune...

Speaking of tuning multiple carbs...

Years ago I bought an old homemade ganged up vacuum gauge dealio with four gauges at a pawn shop. It has a Honda decal on the backing plywood, so was probably used to tune Honda Fours. I paid eight bucks for it.

I used to use it to set up the two Holley 4bbls on the 427 FE in my flatty, since I sold the boat it's been in a drawer.

I also have an ancient vane anemometer to measure the air flow. It's not old enough to be carved out of stone but it's close.

 

[Carlson-jet]

I used to own a '70 440-6 "coda and learned a lot about keeping the motor running correctly. PM a phone number, I"ll try to talk you through it. There"s lots of things it could be.....

Oh, I own a 440 Magnum Challenger now.

You are obligated to post a pic.

 

[ibelio]

I live in baja Glendora he he

 

[Hallett_Whacker]

 

[spectras only]

You are obligated to post a pic.

yeah, what he ^^^ said. What year is your Challenger, 70 or 71? Is it a manual or 727 TF?

 

[RiverDave]

Bad ass!

 

[robert1050]

The Challenger is a 70, auto. I'll have to post a pic of the 'coda from my desktop = tonight.

 

[spectras only]

I guess you're easy on the go pedal, because the torque of the 440 would kill the 727 TorqueFlite tranny in no time. My 68 Charger had a 383 with the 727. The A833 manual tranny in my 68 Barracuda and 72 Challenger lived forever.

 

[rivermobster]

So anyone want to buy a 6 pack set-up for a 440? The carbs seem to be numbers matching for a 1970 440, from what I can tell anyway.

This set up is coming off, the carbs are so hacked it's unreal. It would be pointless (on a non numbers matching car, that didn't come with this engine anyway) to invest the money to fix them. IF it WAS a numbers matching car, then it probably be worth the money.

The customer has has this car since 07, and has put a total of six hundred miles on it, cause it's almost impossible to drive!! Some "other" shop has (supposedly) rebuilt these carbs THREE times for him, trying to get it to run right. What a complete waste of time/money.

I'm gonna put a single 4 barrel Edelbrock intake on it (that matches the Edelbrock heads) and a Edelbrock carb on it that Should work well with this engine. Tune it and curve the distributor and see how it runs after that.

Stay tuned...

 

[spectras only]

If I had a 440 laying around the garage, I'd be interested. Can't believe that 'other shop' couldn't make the carbs work. No more difficult than synchro 3 dual Webers we have in my buddy's Austin Healey

 

[DaveC]

Nice setup

 

[575cat]

I have a 70 challenger I picked up a little over a year ago built a 511 stroker put the whole Brewer,s 833 4 speed kit in W pistol grip of course , shes a mover .

 

[rivermobster]

If I had a 440 laying around the garage, I'd be interested. Can't believe that 'other shop' couldn't make the carbs work. No more difficult than synchro 3 dual Webers we have in my buddy's Austin Healey
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Exactly. I'd have to say the guy was a hack who had zero clue what he was doing...

There are so many things broken and/or distroyed in these carbs it's pathetic. When I pointed them out to my customer, he said the guy never mentioned any of the problems to him (shocker eh?).

Clearly the guy just wanted to relive my customer of his hard earned money.

My customer is a retired vet. He's not exactly rolling in dough.

I think this will be the most cost effective way to make this trailer queen into a real driver.

(See how one of the idle mixture screws has the head busted off of it? This is just tiny little tip of the iceberg)

 

[Tamalewagon]

Nice job Joe!

 

[Runs2rch]

So anyone want to buy a 6 pack set-up for a 440? The carbs seem to be numbers matching for a 1970 440, from what I can tell anyway.

This set up is coming off, the carbs are so hacked it's unreal. It would be pointless (on a non numbers matching car, that didn't come with this engine anyway) to invest the money to fix them. IF it WAS a numbers matching car, then it probably be worth the money.

The customer has has this car since 07, and has put a total of six hundred miles on it, cause it's almost impossible to drive!! Some "other" shop has (supposedly) rebuilt these carbs THREE times for him, trying to get it to run right. What a complete waste of time/money.

I'm gonna put a single 4 barrel Edelbrock intake on it (that matches the Edelbrock heads) and a Edelbrock carb on it that Should work well with this engine. Tune it and curve the distributor and see how it runs after that.

Stay tuned...

Great idea. No on the Edeljunk carb though. Last 350 I built an annular booster out of the box Holley destroyed the Edelbrock. Both 600 cfm.
They drive alright, just down on power.

 

[spectras only]

Exactly. I'd have to say the guy was a hack who had zero clue what he was doing...

There are so many things broken and/or distroyed in these carbs it's pathetic. When I pointed them out to my customer, he said the guy never mentioned any of the problems to him (shocker eh?).

Clearly the guy just wanted to relive my customer of his hard earned money.

My customer is a retired vet. He's not exactly rolling in dough.

I think this will be the most cost effective way to make this trailer queen into a real driver.

(See how one of the idle mixture screws has the head busted off of it? This is just tiny little tip of the iceberg)

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That's effed up, who would break an idle adjusting screw? a black smith maybe

 

[rivermobster]

Great idea. No on the Edeljunk carb though. Last 350 I built an annular booster out of the box Holley destroyed the Edelbrock.

They drive alright, just down on power.

QFT would have been my first choice. But when I called Edelbrock tech support to get the correct manifold part number, he gave me the correct carb number to use for this application too.

They have a couple different 750 cfm carbs. He said, use the wrong one, and you're screwed!

Plus the Edelbrock is half the price of the QFT. I'm doing my best to spend this guys money wisely.

 

[rivermobster]

Waiting on UPS now...

 

[robert1050]

The red 'cuda in the back is mine, I'm standing on the far right, wearing the OP shirt, with my arms crossed. This was supposed to be a cover shoot for Car Craft magazine, way back in the early 80's. I've got the magazine laying around here somewhere. The editor didn't like how dark the picture looked, so we met again a couple of days later to re-shoot the picture of the 3 cars again, in someone's driveway in Fountain Valley. The photographer wanted the my hood off and the other 2 gentleman parked in the driveway of the house. That magazine cover shot, I'll have to scan and get on my computer, so I can post it up also.

The hemi orange Challenger is sitting on a buddy's trailer, just after we towed it out to Arizona, from California. The interior is original, motor and trans are #'s matching and the old lady I bought it from (10 or so years ago), had the car re-shot at Earl Scheib in the early 80's. It's more or less original, except for the paint. Thank god the guy's at Earl's where to lazy to re-shoot the black bumble-bee stripe in the rear, it's still original to the car. Although, they didn't bother to mask off the hood black-out, it's still there under the hemi orange.

 

[robert1050]

I guess you're easy on the go pedal, because the torque of the 440 would kill the 727 TorqueFlite tranny in no time. My 68 Charger had a 383 with the 727. The A833 manual tranny in my 68 Barracuda and 72 Challenger lived forever.

No I'm not. I've been known to 'squeak' the tires on occasion. I just know how to moderate what I do. I had the trans re-built a few years ago, with a 2500 stall converter and a 4 pinion set-up. The owner of the shop said it should take 500 - 600 HP without any issues. Unfortunately, it'll never see that any time soon. That motor may get freshened up, but never come near those power levels.

 

[Carlson-jet]

No I'm not. I've been known to 'squeak' the tires on occasion. I just know how to moderate what I do. I had the trans re-built a few years ago, with a 2500 stall converter and a 4 pinion set-up. The owner of the shop said it should take 500 - 600 HP without any issues. Unfortunately, it'll never see that any time soon. That motor may get freshened up, but never come near those power levels.

That's worthy of it's own thread. and the last post. just sayin.

 

[rrrr]

So anyone want to buy a 6 pack set-up for a 440? The carbs seem to be numbers matching for a 1970 440, from what I can tell anyway.

This set up is coming off, the carbs are so hacked it's unreal. It would be pointless (on a non numbers matching car, that didn't come with this engine anyway) to invest the money to fix them. IF it WAS a numbers matching car, then it probably be worth the money.

The customer has has this car since 07, and has put a total of six hundred miles on it, cause it's almost impossible to drive!!
Should work well with this engine. Tune it and curve the distributor and see how it runs after that.

Stay tuned...

A friend of mine bought a really nice '64 Lincoln Continental four door with the 430 CI tri-power carb setup. I used my ancient multiple vacuum gauge board to tune it. The car sounded great after I futzed around with it for a day.

The car was black, black on black and in amazing condition. It was a blast to take it to lunch. We received lots of thumbs up and whistles, from people walking around downtown Plano.

 

[spectras only]

Tri power on a 64 Linc? Never seen one. Must of been some aftermarket fabrication, knowing the 60's Lincoln's cylinder head configuration. Do you happen to have a picture of his setup?

 

[rrrr]

The 1958 430 cubic inch MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) engine had three two bbls. I dunno exactly what was in the car.

 

[rrrr]

I guess you're easy on the go pedal, because the torque of the 440 would kill the 727 TorqueFlite tranny in no time. My 68 Charger had a 383 with the 727. The A833 manual tranny in my 68 Barracuda and 72 Challenger lived forever.

I'm pretty sure the TorqueFlite installed in hemis and 440s had a larger input shaft and stronger clutch packs. Maybe it was just in the hemis, I can't remember.

 

[robert1050]

I'm pretty sure the TorqueFlite installed in hemis and 440s had a larger input shaft and stronger clutch packs. Maybe it was just in the hemis, I can't remember.

440 Six Packs and Hemi's would get 4 pinion carrier assembly and higher torque converter stall speed. All the other big blocks got the same transmission.

 

[robert1050]

The eventual cover shoot.

I still have the Craftsman toolbox, socket set, box end wrench set and timing light. The OP shirt is sadly, long gone.

 

[rrrr]

My memory is fading but at least it's not completely gone.

 

[Sailor J]

Dang,
That's a nice lookin car. Funny thing is i'm just getting into resurrecting the family Roadrunner (68). Got tons of slides & pictures of my brother and I playing around the car & funny car races in Orange county back in the day. All numbers matching but very rough. My folks bought it in late 68 I believe.
Anyway, you don't see these on the road anymore so it's super cool to see the survivor's. Kind of like my Boat I guess? LOL

 

[spectras only]

The 1958 430 cubic inch MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) had three two bbls. I dunno exactly what was in the car.

Lincolns didn't come with tri carbs. Your friend must have swapped the tricarb setup from a 58 Mercury . Mercury had the 400HP Super Marauder version 430.
To think of it, the song 'Hot rod Lincoln' was created, because the writer of the song, had personal experience with one with a tri carb swap, maybe.

Can you guys tell me the title of the movie with Steve McQueen, him driving an early 60's convertible Lincoln like he stole it? I'd like to watch that movie on Netflix, again.