Need aircraft dry lease / light jet next week

[Shlbyntro]

Free my ass. nothing is free.

what, you've never been given a free boat??

 

[monkeyswrench]

what, you've never been given a free boat??

Just like herpes, the gift that keeps on giving

 

[RiverDave]

what, you've never been given a free boat??

Scratch my earlier post.. sex is the second most expensive thing on earth. A free boat is the most expensive lol

 

[spectras only]

Taylor Swift rents her jet out when she isn't flying. Even her, with a B, can't afford flying a 70 mil jet with all the maintenance and upkeep , without renting it out.

 

[wzuber]

Most expensive thing on earth..

Right? Exactly my thoughts....lol

 

[Blackmagic94]

People fail to realize how expensive flying private really is.

A 12 year old TBM is over 60k a year just for insurance. It flies about 100 hours a year and that equates to 600 an hour. Throw in life limited components, fuel, maintenance, a hangar at 2000 a month, landing fees, storage fees at your destination airport and all the other stuff and you are at 2000 an hour for an old turbo prop that can go four hours if loaded light, you fly it yourself and your bladder can make it four hours. And that excludes the cost of capital for the 2.5 million that old plane would cost to buy today used.

The costs of flying around in a 24 million dollar depreciating latitude is astronomical and it may not make it west coast to east coast without a stop.

If the government didn’t subsidize flying private with all sorts of tax benefits and a free ATC system that every commercial passenger chips in for on every ticket with fees, flying private would drop substantially.

It makes a 1,200 dollar round trip first class ticket from the west coast to New York seem like peanuts and a great deal.

lol. I think it’s funny that you are calling a TBM an old airplane.


Most the GA fleet os probably a min of 50 years old on average.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Well pistons are way less cost to operate but slower etc.

421C at new years and my bmw

 

[El Rojo]

Well pistons are way less cost to operate but slower etc.

421C at new years and my bmw View attachment 1325967

I see that plane and I think Richie Valens, Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper etc…lol

 

[Blackmagic94]

I see that plane and I think Richie Valens, Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper etc…lol

What does that have to do with a Cessna 421C. Not sure how people who died in the 50s related to a plane built in the 80s.

 

[clarence]

what, you've never been given a free boat??

Can't get into a boat for the cost of a couple drinks.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Well pistons are way less cost to operate but slower etc.

421C at new years and my bmw View attachment 1325967

West bound in the winter the 421 is probably faster than most comparable turbo props, since it can cruise at 7000 feet while not burning a shit load of fuel. Probably one of the most comfortable piston twins made.

 

[mesquito_creek]

lol. I think it’s funny that you are calling a TBM an old airplane.


Most the GA fleet os probably a min of 50 years old on average.

I think there was a little tongue in cheek humor when he was putting that out there!

 

[clarence]

Free my ass. nothing is free.

Most expensive thing on earth..

Right? Exactly my thoughts....lol

You guys aren't 6'4"?

 

[mesquito_creek]

If anyone wants to haul ass at 100-110 knots in a Cherokee/sundowner for a pro rata share from stellar air park… hit me up! I can have you in havasu from Scottsdale in an hour and a half … maybe 10 minute less if the winds are favorable!

 

[lbhsbz]

If anyone wants to haul ass at 100-110 knots in a Cherokee/sundowner for a pro rata share from stellar air park… hit me up! I can have you in havasu from Scottsdale in an hour and a half … maybe 10 minute less if the winds are favorable!

That reminded me of the 152 I rented one day when I was training... I usually flew a 182. Me and instructor were laughing at how slow it was....I asked him why not just drive? He said the plane was only faster because you could go in mostly a straight line. lol.

 

[RiverDave]

If anyone wants to haul ass at 100-110 knots in a Cherokee/sundowner for a pro rata share from stellar air park… hit me up! I can have you in havasu from Scottsdale in an hour and a half … maybe 10 minute less if the winds are favorable!

Shoot me a dm for a price to fly me from havasu to Scottsdale on Sunday and then Scottsdale to havasu on Tuesday morning..

 

[JB in so cal]

Take that hiring a plane thing off line. FAA and shit

 

[mesquito_creek]

Shoot me a dm for a price to fly me from havasu to Scottsdale on Sunday and then Scottsdale to havasu on Tuesday morning..

75 an hour … for the internet police thats 50% pro rata!

 

[530RL]

75 an hour … for the internet police thats 50% pro rata!

Sounds a little low being in compliance with the law.

• FAR 61.113 (c) is the commonly used exception for sharing costs with passengers. That regulation is relatively short at only 33 words: “A private pilot may not pay less than the pro rata share of the operating expenses of a flight with passengers, provided the expenses involve only fuel, oil, airport expenditures, or rental fees.”

 

[RiverDave]

75 an hour … for the internet police thats 50% pro rata!

So like 200 bucks? If so count me in!

 

[mesquito_creek]

Sounds a little low being in compliance with the law.

• FAR 61.113 (c) is the commonly used exception for sharing costs with passengers. That regulation is relatively short at only 33 words: “A private pilot may not pay less than the pro rata share of the operating expenses of a flight with passengers, provided the expenses involve only fuel, oil, airport expenditures, or rental fees.”

If I pay 150 wet per hour can’t my friend/passenger pay 75 as per the FAR? I make my wife pay the whole 150!?

 

[Sleek-Jet]

If I pay 150 wet per hour can’t my friend/passenger pay 75 as per the FAR? I make my wife pay the whole 150!?

There is case law and letters of interpretation out there on this... Learn it, live it, love it.

Essentially, airplanes do run on 'Thanks', don't worry about collecting anything from your passengers for the flight other than a handshake and don't post on public forums that you'll fly anyone anywhere for any reason.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Most expensive thing on earth..

Facts!

 

[mesquito_creek]

There is case law and letters of interpretation out there on this... Learn it, live it, love it.

Essentially, airplanes do run on 'Thanks', don't worry about collecting anything from your passengers for the flight other than a handshake and don't post on public forums that you'll fly anyone anywhere for any reason.

I don’t think most people understand just how slow 100 knots is anyways. I really just wanted a chance to use the term “pro rata” in a sentence correctly. Since I got that out of my system I will go back to the free ride system I have been using to date.

 

[callbob]

Scratch my earlier post.. sex is the second most expensive thing on earth. A free boat is the most expensive lol

Not to mention the most addictive. Once you’ve been in one, you want to be in all of em

 

[DUNEFLYER]

So like 200 bucks? If so count me in!

That would be a smoking deal for what is really 2 round trips from Scottsdale-Havi, he has aprox 6hrs of flying at 150.00hr not including his time.

 

[t&y]

So like 200 bucks? If so count me in!

Dave, when is the last time you've been in a small plane? They are a blast, but not all of them are too friendly to climb into. If the Pro Rata rate is only 75 per hour I guarantee you will need to do some gymnastics to get in the passenger seat

 

[mesquito_creek]

It was meant to be a self-deprecating joke to make fun of how small and slow my piloting and planes are. Plus, just the weight and balanced calculation for most RDP members would throw us outside the envelope! … I know, I should just stop while I am ahead.

 

[mesquito_creek]

This thread got as tight as mentioning something about your job on a HAM radio forum!

That was the last one, I promise!

 

[Blackmagic94]

West bound in the winter the 421 is probably faster than most comparable turbo props, since it can cruise at 7000 feet while not burning a shit load of fuel. Probably one of the most comfortable piston twins made.

7000. More like mid 20s. But yeah it will do upper 200s with a good wind.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

7000. More like mid 20s. But yeah it will do upper 200s with a good wind.

Westbound... Into the headwinds. When it's blowing 75-100 knots in the low flight levels, a piston twin can drop down out of the winds without the resulting high fuel flows on a turbine.

7000 might be a bit of an exaggeration, the best winds in the winter going west are usually in the low teens.

 

[Blackmagic94]

oh ok. Flying west from Dallas the other day in the p210 it was 60 plus at 21k. We flew damn near off the ground for first leg to avoid when finally ended up at 8k. Average GS was 157 kn