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Monkey,

That about sums up my thoughts on raising my son. The farm is here if that’s the direction he wants to head. But, if teaching is, then that’s where he should go. He has always been a very quiet kid, and not a tremendously good student. His grades were often self induced. Not that he’s not smart.. he is very smart, just would Bring homework home and do it, then just not turn it in. Gggggrrrrrrrr. He eventually got it, and graduated just fine. But he got accepted as an environmental education counselor for his junior and senior years. This is a program at our small hick town school that utilizes our awesome school forest, and these counselors do the teaching. All grades 4K-8th go at least twice a year to the school forest for these classes. I could not believe it when the teachers, students and even parents that were present started telling me that my son was the best teacher in the group. Listened to the kids, explained stuff well, and helped the ones that were struggling. Maybe this is his calling?

He isn’t much on the political rhetoric though. As you may know our previous governor took most powers away from the education unions several years ago, and our new and current governor has plans to retract that. As my son was starting his college career this past fall, he stated if our new governor does as he says, he may transfer to a different school, and switch to an agronomy major.

Ultimately, my feeling is you raise them right, give them the tools to be successful, and let them carve their own path. It’s the only way it works anyway.
 

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I should clarify my comments from earlier. My son, at this time doesn't appear to want to come back to the farm. My older brother does have a son who will be finishing his tech school degree, and plans on returning. He has been helping on the farm for several years now, and will be starting full time this spring.

As for the rest of the next generation, this is where things get a lot more interesting. There is only less than two years between my older brother and me. My sister (and BIL) are about 5-6 years younger than I, and my little brother, 10 years younger. This has caused a few issues with the age differences, but not horrible. But, looking at the rest of the kids...there is one finishing college at 23 and coming back this spring, my son a freshman in college at 18, then the next one is currently 11. After him, in just the boys, my sisters kids are 6 and 4, my little brothers are the 11 yo, and a 5 yo and a 8 month old. This can potentially be an interesting dynamic in the making. I can honestly see my little brother farming with my nephews in the winter, in a few years when I become a snowbird.
 

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I should clarify my comments from earlier. My son, at this time doesn't appear to want to come back to the farm. My older brother does have a son who will be finishing his tech school degree, and plans on returning. He has been helping on the farm for several years now, and will be starting full time this spring.

As for the rest of the next generation, this is where things get a lot more interesting. There is only less than two years between my older brother and me. My sister (and BIL) are about 5-6 years younger than I, and my little brother, 10 years younger. This has caused a few issues with the age differences, but not horrible. But, looking at the rest of the kids...there is one finishing college at 23 and coming back this spring, my son a freshman in college at 18, then the next one is currently 11. After him, in just the boys, my sisters kids are 6 and 4, my little brothers are the 11 yo, and a 5 yo and a 8 month old. This can potentially be an interesting dynamic in the making. I can honestly see my little brother farming with my nephews in the winter, in a few years when I become a snowbird.
You never know, the ages being spread out may be an advantage. As one group starts to slow it down, another will just be coming up. Instead of the normal generation gap, the period can be broken up slightly.
Either way, keep it going with you and your brothers. Whatever happens next is over the horizon...somebody will figure it out. It may be a second career for some, primary for others, but it sounds like it will stay in good hands;)
 

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Got the first of the two planters pretty well finished this morning. What’s left can be done outside with it on the ground. Swapped it out for number two this afternoon.

Wanted to show how it folds up as I keep calling it a stack fold.
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A few seed boxes are off the right half of the lower section still in the shop getting seed units finished up.
 

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Me being kind of nosey when it comes to shops and garages...damn, you boys keep some inventory! That looks like an old school Napa in the background. Better to have things on site for repairs, but do you keep a counter guy there too?:p
 

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Me being kind of nosey when it comes to shops and garages...damn, you boys keep some inventory! That looks like an old school Napa in the background. Better to have things on site for repairs, but do you keep a counter guy there too?:p
Yeah, that would be me. I usually take care of most of the parts ordering. And yes we keep a pretty high level of parts on hand. Yet at times it seems we have every part for every piece of equipment, except the part we need.
 

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Yeah, that would be me. I usually take care of most of the parts ordering. And yes we keep a pretty high level of parts on hand. Yet at times it seems we have every part for every piece of equipment, except the part we need.
Isn't that the way it works? I have three roll cabs but never the wrench I need! Every fitting except the last one to finish the fuel system...etc, etc.
 

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Sorry for the lack of posts today kids. Long day with a couple meetings with JD people, a visit from the lender, and a business deal. Add in a monthly School Board meeting that ran three plus hours long, and boooomm it’s midnight...well almost.

Tomorrow is another day, and off to a farm show. Stay tuned for some pics from the show.
 

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One of my questions is how many folks does take to keep an operation this size on track?
I'm a one man band untill harvest then it's utter chaos for a few days with the pickers.
 

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During planting, with two planters running, I usually have one brother just running logistics and support. Probably 65% of his day is just moving and refilling support vehicles for the planters, and making sure the tillage is getting accomplished in the right order. We basically are a six man crew to run the whole show.

During harvest, it’s my brother in law running the dryer that has to be the crew boss to make sure all trucks know where to go, and the business end of stuff pretty much is my brother and I taking it on from the combine seats.
 

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What type of warranty do the heavy equipment manufacturers give? If they break, lots of funds are lost and an expensive piece sitting. Is it broken down as to powertrain, PTO etc? When anything costs that much and doesn't come with at least one bedroom and one bath, it better be running when you need it:)
 

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Most of my large power stuff has a three year, 1000 hour engine and power train. Ive got a pretty good deal and relationship with my dealer, but with all the electronic crap on em, it seems more often it’s a small, unwarrentied sensor that’s most likely to fail. I’ve been very pleased with the engines and drivetrains on pretty much all my equipment for several years.
 

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I like the pics of the Fendts. A couple farmers by me run all Fendt, the farmers are right from the Netherlands. They say it's a good thing they dont break down because it would take an engineer to fix one. A bunch are running Claas choppers as well.
 

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A few Claas choppers in this area too. Most are custom harvest guys. Not many Fendt anything around here though. Not too sure why, but pretty much all green, with a smattering of red with a few yellow or blue.
 

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A few Claas choppers in this area too. Most are custom harvest guys. Not many Fendt anything around here though. Not too sure why, but pretty much all green, with a smattering of red with a few yellow or blue.
...The whole town said
that he should've used red.
But it looked good to Charlene,
in John Deere green.

All I have is an old Massey and an old Chalmers...workin' my way up...
 

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As much as I appreciate the electronic stuff when it comes to the daily operation of my equipment, I really hate the process of getting the annual setup data entered into the computer and downloaded into each screen properly. Seems a multi try process every single time no matter how hard I try to organize, save, refine and correct. Always at least one field, one operation, one boundary, or something small that gets overlooked and that’s the one someone wants to use.

Have I mentioned how much I hate computers?
 

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Good morning Gang. Snow is melting, fields are starting to dry off, and frost is going away. May be out in the fields by mid week next week to start doing some initial ground work. No tillage yet, but maybe a little GPS boundaries and layout work.
 

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I am surprised. With as whiz-bang high tech as the system is, you can't use Google earth and just pin it from a desk top image. For commercial roofs, there were programs that you could pin and measure from satellite images. Frightening and cool all at the same time.
 

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Good morning Gang. Snow is melting, fields are starting to dry off, and frost is going away. May be out in the fields by mid week next week to start doing some initial ground work. No tillage yet, but maybe a little GPS boundaries and layout work.
How are your soil ph levels? I see lime getting spread here, is that common by you?
 

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Looking at the pictures of all this specialized equipment and attachments I keep wondering, who inspires and designs it for each particular application ?
Farmer's kid's that went to MIT or similar ? Like the chicken and the egg, is the equipment designed around your exacting needs and methods, or are your methods tailored to the available machines and attachments ? Seems obvious who ever is driving the design or re-design of modern farming implements, they know something about your needs to make some particular task more efficient.
 

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I am surprised. With as whiz-bang high tech as the system is, you can't use Google earth and just pin it from a desk top image. For commercial roofs, there were programs that you could pin and measure from satellite images. Frightening and cool all at the same time.
To a degree, yes. Primarily we use it to look at adding irrigation to ground. All of our existing ground has irrigation, but regularly we are either looking at taking on ground without irrigation, or trying to maximize the stuff we have.

As for the gps, that is kinda a system that you can use google pro, but to have it exact, nothing beats driving the boundaries with a piece of equipment. The reason is, the software will automatically shut rows off if outside the boundary. You want them as accurate as possible to make the data as accurate as possible.
 

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Looking at the pictures of all this specialized equipment and attachments I keep wondering, who inspires and designs it for each particular application ?
Farmer's kid's that went to MIT or similar ? Like the chicken and the egg, is the equipment designed around your exacting needs and methods, or are your methods tailored to the available machines and attachments ? Seems obvious who ever is driving the design or re-design of modern farming implements, they know something about your needs to make some particular task more efficient.
Most of the equipment is pretty specialized for an individual task. I’d: the chopper. It’s task is silage. Corn or hay, either way, one task. Some is the big guys like JD or new Holland making stuff that farmers are asking for, or making the current option better.some of the specialized stuff, like potato harvesters is something that started out in someone’s shop that got improved upon by a machine shop, and is small time guy making great.
 

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How are your soil ph levels? I see lime getting spread here, is that common by you?
They vary some. In our sandy soils they run fairly neutral to slightly acidic. Liming is a necessity for us. Usually you’ll see ground coming out of potatoes being limed. Veggies tend to like it more neutral, or between 6.5-7. Potatoes, on the other hand prefer the 5.7-6.2 range. So, you’ll see the lime going on behind potatoes, and the multi year rotation working it back to a lower level for the spuds. Usually around a ton per acre once in 3-4 years.
 

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Unintended consequence of this thread --- Finding myself glued to last night's news watching the horrible flooding devastation to the affected mid-western farms, with a heightened realization of their losses and financial impact. In addition I found myself feeling far more sympathetic and saddened by their loss. These weren't just large corporations run by wall street suits, these were real Americans, good hard working people and many will not recover. :(
 

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I have a question, here in AZ the rotation of the crops mainly that I see is alf alfa and corn. The kids were told they use the corn to draw in rodents to eat the stalks and poop for lack of a better word to provide natural fertilizer?
 

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Unintended consequence of this thread --- Finding myself glued to last night's news watching the horrible flooding devastation to the affected mid-western farms, with a heightened realization of their losses and financial impact. In addition I found myself feeling far more sympathetic and saddened by their loss. These weren't just large corporations run by wall street suits, these were real Americans, good hard working people and many will not recover. :(
The flooding is also affecting the gas prices. The railways are limited to shipping from the ethanol plants which supplies to the refineries that are mandated to add a % to gas.
 

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The flooding is also affecting the gas prices. The railways are limited to shipping from the ethanol plants which supplies to the refineries that are mandated to add a % to gas.

So that's what's going on . It went up a dime here yesterday.:eek:
 

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I live across the river from the railroad ,and normally see two oil change trains a day. 95 to 100 tankers each.:eek:
 

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I have a question, here in AZ the rotation of the crops mainly that I see is alf alfa and corn. The kids were told they use the corn to draw in rodents to eat the stalks and poop for lack of a better word to provide natural fertilizer?
Interesting theory. Not sure who came up with that concept, but I can pretty much say it is not true, even not knowing the context. Most likely, in AZ, any alfalfa and corn grown probably goes into animal feed. Obviously the alfalfa does, but I believe the main market for the corn down in that region is primarily also cows. Both of those crops are pretty much stand alone crops that would be definitely a harvestable crop, meaning one is planted specifically for the yield of itself, and not as a rodent attractant. The alfalfa, or hay, also is probably used as a fertilizer source for the corn. Alfalfa is a legume, and produces nodules of nitrogen that feeds itself while it grows. When a farmer no longer is going to keep the hay in production, its common to utilize the alfalfa crop as what they call a nitrogen credit as a portion of the total N needed for the corn crop as that nodulation in the soil breaks down and becomes usable by the corn. Soybeans will also do the same as they also are a legume.

In my soils, which are extremely sandy, we do not take any credits from any previous crops unless it was alfalfa that a cutting was taken in late spring, plowed under, and a new crop planted immediately. Then we might see a small credit. But even with the high volume of critters that get into our fields like whitetail deer and the occasional bear, and plenty of fat raccoons, we have never seen any manure source be of a fertility benefit. Mostly its a crop loss to them. But I get even come hunting season.

Hopefully this is helpful.
 

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The flooding is also affecting the gas prices. The railways are limited to shipping from the ethanol plants which supplies to the refineries that are mandated to add a % to gas.

Meanwhile on the left coast with spring here and summer approaching we've seen the start of the "Refinery Fire Season". Yes it's an annual ritual, occurs at the same time each year forcing increased gas prices just in time for the summer travel season. :mad::mad:
 

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Meanwhile on the left coast with spring here and summer approaching we've seen the start of the "Refinery Fire Season". Yes it's an annual ritual, occurs at the same time each year forcing increased gas prices just in time for the summer travel season. :mad::mad:
Seems a bit coincidental to happen annually? Just an observation.
 

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Thanks Buck, yup always busy, just no interesting stuff to post currently. Weather isn’t allowing any field activities yet, but later this week we will probably start doing a little more.
 

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Today the weather was a definite Cheeseland spring day. Started out with a dusting of the white stuff on the ground. Still in the 30s and breezy at noon. Mid 50s and sunny at 3:30. Raining, windy as #$&@ and back in the 30s by 6. Don’t like the weather in cheddar land, wait a couple minutes and check again.

Good news is the snow piles continue to disappear, and fields are drying out. With any luck, I’ll have useful stuff to post soon. Until then, keep the questions coming.

Thanks for the kind words on the thread so far. Greatly appreciate it!
 

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I am surprised. With as whiz-bang high tech as the system is, you can't use Google earth and just pin it from a desk top image. For commercial roofs, there were programs that you could pin and measure from satellite images. Frightening and cool all at the same time.

What are using to measure my roof Mr. Palomar Solar, a Satellite? Funny you ask yes I am!!! It is frightening at cool at the same time, I can often even tell what size main panel you have from their street view, now back to the tractors.
 

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I have a question when Corn is harvested do you remove the kernel from the cob or does the whole thing go into the dryer and they get separated later or do they ferment the whole thing.
 

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I have a question when Corn is harvested do you remove the kernel from the cob or does the whole thing go into the dryer and they get separated later or do they ferment the whole thing.
Good question. The combine does both the stripping the ear from the stalk and the threashing of the kernels from the ear. It grinds the stalks and spits the cobs and any trash that goes through the combine out the back end, and just leaves the relatively clean corn kernels in the grain tank. Those alone get sent to the dryer.
 

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Good question. The combine does both the stripping the ear from the stalk and the threashing of the kernels from the ear. It grinds the stalks and spits the cobs and any trash that goes through the combine out the back end, and just leaves the relatively clean corn kernels in the grain tank. Those alone get sent to the dryer.
A combine is a lot more complex then I thought when I was younger. I thought they were giant lawnmowers as a kid. I knew they stripped the ear from the stalk, but have never watched them filling the trucks.
That's a heck of a lot going on, to do all that while rolling. Let alone doing it at the speeds they do. The machine costs so much because it is essentially a rolling processing plant...with a lot of computers:eek:
 

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mw You just typed essentially what I was thinking.tdf if you have any video of how this works ,it would be very cool to see.
 

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I do have some quick videos from the seat of the combine, but i'll see what I can find that explains the extreme workings of the entire process of what is happening inside the combines. Stay tuned.
 

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Here is a video I took last fall while driving the combine. It only shows the head running, and the unload auger running loading the grain cart along side. The combine itself has a hopper that holds about 400 bushels of grain. The grain cart along side allows us to unload on the go and continue running while the cart loads the trucks. This grain cart holds 875 bushels, but they are made smaller and much bigger.

 
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