Maine Mass Shooting

[traquer]

Why can't these scumbags go to the streets in Chicago or Compton at midnight if they want to start shooting at random people? Be a much more fun way to go out having the homeboys shooting back at you, plus no real innocents would get hurt. Guess they're coward pussies like you'd expect

 

[Cole Trickle]

Why can't these scumbags go to the streets in Chicago or Compton at midnight if they want to start shooting at random people? Be a much more fun way to go out having the homeboys shooting back at you, plus no real innocents would get hurt. Guess they're coward pussies like you'd expect

gangsters shoot back...

Its always cowards that attack un prepared un suspecting groups that have nothing to do with anything. Back in the day at least crazies only took out there shitty bosses.

Regardless of the situation I don't think there has ever been a mass shooting that didn't have several warning signs prior to the event...sad

 

[SKIDMARC]

Spare us. The reality is that saying that is the exact opposite. It's easiest to take away freedoms. Its hardest to maintain freedoms, and that comes at a cost. If a crazy person tries to kill me or my family with a gun, an explosive, a rental truck or anything else, I should also have the freedom to kill him with a gun I legally purchase and carry.

Do you think the victim's family members are giving up their guns this morning? Would you give up your guns if a family member was killed by a gun? I sure as hell would not. The gun is not the issue.

The remaining freedoms we have is the only thing keeping this place together.

Remember the posts here - "Wait until your grandma gets Covid and you will see why everyone needs to be vaccinated and wear a mask!"

Those aged well. In Australia where they gave up their guns.. how did that turn out for them? We've seen some of the videos.

Spare yourself. You totally missed the point, and went off onto different scenarios, if you read what @17 10 Flat was referring to in the post that was whatguy said "I prefer my doctor patient privilege not to be on some 3 letter agencies data base for the sole purpose of restricting my rights, let alone any fucking retailers computer."

I take that as saying if a MD identifies a mental illness it shouldn't be listed to prevent someone from buying a gun. @17 10Flat said so because of that stance we should have to put up with mass shootings? Unless I am miss interpreting what both members said.

Your response was, yes. Its price we should be willing to pay.

Sorry, if an MD identifies an mental health issue with a patient that could result is something like this, it should go on a data base that would restrict them from legally buying a gun.

 

[SKIDMARC]

What would you say to them? We're going to do our best to make sure every one of these scary black guns are rounded up from law-abiding Americans to make up for your family member? Or would you say that we are going to make sure every single person who has ever sought mental health assistance will have their guns confiscated?

I see no way to prevent these tragedies without conducting a house-to-house search to confiscate all firearms from law-abiding people, which will result in a lot of deaths and perhaps a civil war. I'm not willing to have that happen to prevent these tragedies. I also would not be willing to give up any of my firearms . . . if I had any.

I would say we need to do something to at least try to prevent people with serious mental health issues from obtaining guns legally. There is no easy answer, but doing nothing I don't feel is the answer. I also don't feel preventing law abiding citizens from buying guys is right either, as well as conducting house to house searches to confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens, I would not be willing to give up my firearms....which I do have.

 

[92562]

This guy seems like the perfect Manchurian candidate.
White .....
Male.......
Military....
AR-15.....


Sad and sick.

Unfortunately, you are 100% correct.

 

[PlanB]

Spare yourself. You totally missed the point, and went off onto different scenarios, if you read what @17 10 Flat was referring to in the post that was whatguy said "I prefer my doctor patient privilege not to be on some 3 letter agencies data base for the sole purpose of restricting my rights, let alone any fucking retailers computer."

I take that as saying if a MD identifies a mental illness it shouldn't be listed to prevent someone from buying a gun. @17 10Flat said so because of that stance we should have to put up with mass shootings? Unless I am miss interpreting what both members said.

Your response was, yes. Its price we should be willing to pay.

Sorry, if an MD identifies a mental health issue with a patient that could result is something like this, it should go on a data base that would restrict them from legally buying a gun.

What do you consider a mental health issue that would make a person prohibited?

There are people diagnosed daily with mental disorders that are not dangerous. There are also many that are misdiagnosed as having mental health issues by ignorant doctors.

 

[4Waters]

Just so you guys know, Israel is not top of the news right now, this is

 

[17 10 Flat]

Spare yourself. You totally missed the point, and went off onto different scenarios, if you read what @17 10 Flat was referring to in the post that was whatguy said "I prefer my doctor patient privilege not to be on some 3 letter agencies data base for the sole purpose of restricting my rights, let alone any fucking retailers computer."

I take that as saying if a MD identifies a mental illness it shouldn't be listed to prevent someone from buying a gun. @17 10Flat said so because of that stance we should have to put up with mass shootings? Unless I am miss interpreting what both members said.

Your response was, yes. Its price we should be willing to pay.

Sorry, if an MD identifies an mental health issue with a patient that could result is something like this, it should go on a data base that would restrict them from legally buying a gun.

That was my contention. But reading thatguy response made me think, what Doctor makes the call? Think how some MD's went lockstep with covid. We now know that was wrong. Who then determines the threshold of mental illness not to have a firearm? Once in a database......how many people then have access. There is IMO no one size fits all answer. One can only be vigilant and try to protect yourself and your family.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Spare yourself. You totally missed the point, and went off onto different scenarios, if you read what @17 10 Flat was referring to in the post that was whatguy said "I prefer my doctor patient privilege not to be on some 3 letter agencies data base for the sole purpose of restricting my rights, let alone any fucking retailers computer."

I take that as saying if a MD identifies a mental illness it shouldn't be listed to prevent someone from buying a gun. @17 10Flat said so because of that stance we should have to put up with mass shootings? Unless I am miss interpreting what both members said.

Your response was, yes. Its price we should be willing to pay.

Sorry, if an MD identifies an mental health issue with a patient that could result is something like this, it should go on a data base that would restrict them from legally buying a gun.

So you are saying trans people can't buy guns? Women with post partum depression? Veterans with PTSD? Someone with a concussion?

I didn't take this in a different direction at all. That is the cost of freedom and is EXACTLY the point. What qualifies a Dr. to make that call and remove a person's freedoms? We can't even remove freedoms from crazy drug addicted people living on the streets. By your definition anyone that has ever had to talk to a Dr. about their mental health or fitness should then not own a gun? Certainly anyone on any prescription for mental conditions then? What is the dam you want to put on your slippery slope?

Will you have these doctors force these people give up their legally purchased knives too?

Fatal stabbings in England and Wales at highest level since records began

Figures from the Office for National Statistics show 282 homicides were committed using a knife or sharp instrument in the year to March 2022 - a 19% rise compared with the previous year.

news.sky.com

 

[bentprops]

Take notice people. If it’s a white guy, his name and picture will be released within hours. If it’s a POC or some other pronoun, it will take a few days for that information to come to light while they formulate a narrative.

RIP to all the innocent victims. Hopefully the scum bag responsible is skinned alive.

yep and it will be burried on the last page.

 

[SKIDMARC]

So you are saying trans people can't buy guns? Women with post partum depression? Veterans with PTSD? Someone with a concussion?

I didn't take this in a different direction at all. That is the cost of freedom and is EXACTLY the point. What qualifies a Dr. to make that call and remove a person's freedoms? We can't even remove freedoms from crazy drug addicted people living on the streets. By your definition anyone that has ever had to talk to a Dr. about their mental health or fitness should then not own a gun? Certainly anyone on any prescription for mental conditions then? What is the dam you want to put on your slippery slope?

Will you have these doctors force these people give up their legally purchased knives too?

Fatal stabbings in England and Wales at highest level since records began

Figures from the Office for National Statistics show 282 homicides were committed using a knife or sharp instrument in the year to March 2022 - a 19% rise compared with the previous year.

news.sky.com

Honestly, I don’t feel like arguing with you although I know you feed off of arguing. You’re saying I’m saying things that I’m not. Have a good one.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Honestly, I don’t feel like arguing with you although I know you feed off of arguing. You’re saying I’m saying things that I’m not. Have a good one.

Sorry, if an MD identifies an mental health issue with a patient that could result is something like this, it should go on a data base that would restrict them from legally buying a gun.

I'm not even sure you know what you are saying if you can't articulate where to draw the line in the erosion of freedoms you are asking for. I just asked you questions about your above statement. Enjoy your day.

 

[SKIDMARC]

I'm not even sure you know what you are saying if you can't articulate where to draw the line in the erosion of freedoms you are asking for. I just asked you questions about your above statement. Enjoy your day.

I can articulate it fine. I just don’t feel like going back and forth with you. That’s all.

 

[poncho]

Probably posted this before but it bears repeating.
I testified in a deposition years ago where a crew member had put his hand in a machine that ground fish heads into small pieces.

His Attorney: Mr. Snyder would you agree that the head grinder is an inherently dangerous machine?
Me: Absolutely not
His Attorney: How could you possibly say that?
Me: If i put one in the corner of this room and turned it on it poses no risk to anyone unless your dumb enough to walk over there and put your hand in it.

The machine was never the problem.

 

[wash11]

I certainly do not have details, but if mentally ill people can continue to purchase firearms long term it will be one size fits all.
These events are exactly what people like Newsom live for, an opportunity to restrict firearm purchases for all.

Right now a background check looks at criminal records. Having mental health professionals add a name that is undergoing treatment seems easy enough. There would need to be transparency as the affected patient would need to be made aware of his/her name being added. Perfect no, but we cannot continue to let mentally ill people purchase firearms legally and commit crimes.

I feel like this would keep people from seeking mental help when they need it. We're just now getting to a point where some people aren't ashamed to admit or discuss depression issues, childhood trauma, PTSD etc. If these conversations come with a price tag like losing 2A rights, societal mental health will take 10 steps backwards.

 

[Sandlord]

I feel like this would keep people from seeking mental help when they need it. We're just now getting to a point where some people aren't ashamed to admit or discuss depression issues, childhood trauma, PTSD etc. If these conversations come with a price tag like losing 2A rights, societal mental health will take 10 steps backwards.

Its also getting to the point where the FBI or DHS will put you on a list for speaking out at a PTA meeting or voting for a certain candidate.

 

[was thatguy]

Not at all just explaining why he did not get his guns taken away.

It’s funny.
90% of this forum will stand up and say “come and take them from my cold dead hands”…

And 90% of this forum say that crazy people should have their gun rights taken away in some fashion because they are dangerous.

But 90% of this forum can also be diagnosed with some sort of mental behavior that society has deemed “not normal”.
Yet this imaginary idealistic standard of “normalcy” can not be defined.

Anyone who thinks they are immune to this judgement can simply be labeled a narcissist, and there ya go.

“We” are the people. “We” are not immune to the exact judgment that we call for on others.

Of all people, Larry Flynt once made a very profound statement after a SC ruling.
He said that if our bill of rights, particularly the first amendment in his case, works for him then it’ll work for us too, because he’s the worst.

He also said
“Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.”

 

[was thatguy]

So you are saying trans people can't buy guns? Women with post partum depression? Veterans with PTSD? Someone with a concussion?

I didn't take this in a different direction at all. That is the cost of freedom and is EXACTLY the point. What qualifies a Dr. to make that call and remove a person's freedoms? We can't even remove freedoms from crazy drug addicted people living on the streets. By your definition anyone that has ever had to talk to a Dr. about their mental health or fitness should then not own a gun? Certainly anyone on any prescription for mental conditions then? What is the dam you want to put on your slippery slope?

Will you have these doctors force these people give up their legally purchased knives too?

Fatal stabbings in England and Wales at highest level since records began

Figures from the Office for National Statistics show 282 homicides were committed using a knife or sharp instrument in the year to March 2022 - a 19% rise compared with the previous year.

news.sky.com

 

[hallett21]

It’s funny.
90% of this forum will stand up and say “come and take them from my cold dead hands”…

And 90% of this forum say that crazy people should have their gun rights taken away in some fashion because they are dangerous.

But 90% of this forum can also be diagnosed with some sort of mental behavior that society has deemed “not normal”.
Yet this imaginary idealistic standard of “normalcy” can not be defined.

Anyone who thinks they are immune to this judgement can simply be labeled a narcissist, and there ya go.

“We” are the people. “We” are not immune to the exact judgment that we call for on others.

Of all people, Larry Flynt once made a very profound statement after a SC ruling.
He said that if our bill of rights, particularly the first amendment in his case, works for him then it’ll work for us too, because he’s the worst.

He also said
“Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.”

Larry’s hot boat was a better time.

 

[4Waters]

It’s funny.
90% of this forum will stand up and say “come and take them from my cold dead hands”…

And 90% of this forum say that crazy people should have their gun rights taken away in some fashion because they are dangerous.

But 90% of this forum can also be diagnosed with some sort of mental behavior that society has deemed “not normal”.
Yet this imaginary idealistic standard of “normalcy” can not be defined.

Anyone who thinks they are immune to this judgement can simply be labeled a narcissist, and there ya go.

“We” are the people. “We” are not immune to the exact judgment that we call for on others.

Of all people, Larry Flynt once made a very profound statement after a SC ruling.
He said that if our bill of rights, particularly the first amendment in his case, works for him then it’ll work for us too, because he’s the worst.

He also said
“Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.”

What I posted in post 72 lines up with what you said, gotta be careful what you ask for. We all agree the system is broken but what is the... or rather how far are we willing to go for the fix

 

[was thatguy]

What I posted in post 72 lines up with what you said, gotta be careful what you ask for. We all agree the system is broken but what is the... or rather how far are we willing to go for the fix

Is there a fix?

We Americans are born into a society where we take our individual rights for granted.
We’ve never fought for them. We’ve fought in other places under the guise of forcing our brand of freedom on others, but everyone who fought to be a free American died 200 years ago.
God didn’t give us our freedoms as Americans, cannonballs did.
So yes, there is a price we pay for these rights.
One of them is that we don’t get to so easily decide who has rights and who doesn’t have rights.
This is the exact foundation of our whole deal. Individual rights.
Obviously, there are absolutely times when there is no question about it. But for the most part Americans can’t be held accountable for things they haven’t done yet, or might do in the future.
And to put that power into the hands of a doctor who profits from diagnosis seems dangerous, especially when we already have exceptions to confidentiality laws in place.
We tend to think of “us” and “them”…failing to realize that we ARE them in the eyes of others. Lol

Our reaction is “how do we stop the killing?”
Well, that’s been going on for tens of thousands of years with no answer.

 

[4Waters]

Is there a fix?

We Americans are born into a society where we take our individual rights for granted.
We’ve never fought for them. We’ve fought in other places under the guise of forcing our brand of freedom on others, but everyone who fought to be a free American died 200 years ago.
God didn’t give us our freedoms as Americans, cannonballs did.
So yes, there is a price we pay for these rights.
One of them is that we don’t get to so easily decide who has rights and who doesn’t have rights.
This is the exact foundation of our whole deal. Individual rights.
Obviously, there are absolutely times when there is no question about it. But for the most part Americans can’t be held accountable for things they haven’t done yet, or might do in the future.
And to put that power into the hands of a doctor who profits from diagnosis seems dangerous, especially when we already have exceptions to confidentiality laws in place.
We tend to think of “us” and “them”…failing to realize that we ARE them in the eyes of others. Lol

Our reaction is “how do we stop the killing?”
Well, that’s been going on for tens of thousands of years with no answer.

Not without giving up rights

 

[Romans9]

Everyone needs to be able to defend himself, his family and his country.

The “system” is broken alright and will continue to be broken as long as there are restrictions on the Second Amendment.

 

[4Waters]

Reports that they may have him barricaded in a house

 

[napanutt]

Reports that they may have him barricaded in a house

Been circling for an hour or so.

 

[Runs2rch]

Reports that they may have him barricaded in a house

They don't. He is long gone.

 

[4Waters]

They don't. He is long gone.

I figure he either killed himself or he is out in the woods waiting

 

[napanutt]

I figure he either killed himself or he is out in the woods waiting

Kind of my thought.
BTW we are only a couple hours away from there.

 

[4Waters]

Kind of my thought.
BTW we are only a couple hours away from there.

You're not far enough, be safe

 

[napanutt]

You're not far enough, be safe

I’ve got security cams, ankle biters and a few other tricks up my sleeve. Thanks for the thought though.

 

[4Waters]

I’ve got security cams, ankle biters and a few other tricks up my sleeve. Thanks for the thought though.

 

[500bbc]

We need to ban crazy people

Just the high cap ones...

 

[napanutt]

It’s back up where it was this morning.

 

[HST4ME]

Reports that they may have him barricaded in a house

Barracaded in Obamas house?

 

[was thatguy]

Everyone needs to be able to defend himself, his family and his country.

The “system” is broken alright and will continue to be broken as long as there are restrictions on the Second Amendment.

Not a lot left to be said.

 

[Englewood]

I get the vibe they have no idea where he is.

I think he had a car at the boat launch and is long gone.

 

[riverroyal]

I can articulate it fine. I just don’t feel like going back and forth with you. That’s all.

Don't bring up speed utv or robbie! You can waste 3 years with LOF on that.
Even if you win the argument he will argue about the argument.

Back on topic
I heard they found his car by a dock?

 

[was thatguy]

Not ridiculous. Never give up your rights for the perceived notion of safety. Theses nut cases will kill using any means necessary.....Be it firearms, vehicles , or explosives. Just look around the world and see theses horrific incidents, and how they are carried out.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Ben Franklin

 

[was thatguy]

I would say we need to do something to at least try to prevent people with serious mental health issues from obtaining guns legally. There is no easy answer, but doing nothing I don't feel is the answer. I also don't feel preventing law abiding citizens from buying guys is right either, as well as conducting house to house searches to confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens, I would not be willing to give up my firearms....which I do have.

They are usually law abiding when they made the purchase.
The law breaking comes after that.

 

[poncho]

I get the vibe they have no idea where he is.

I think he had a car at the boat launch and is long gone.

Wife mentioned a possible jet ski?
No idea where she heard it

 

[was thatguy]

Why can't these scumbags go to the streets in Chicago or Compton at midnight if they want to start shooting at random people? Be a much more fun way to go out having the homeboys shooting back at you, plus no real innocents would get hurt. Guess they're coward pussies like you'd expect

See that would be a great ppv!
Take potential nut bag killers and turn them loose on the south side with a 1hour timer and 10 mags!
Hell there’d probably be a line of volunteers!

“Look here Joe citizen, you’re in the kook data base so you have a choice…either give us all your guns or try your luck in the 1hour shoot out sweepstakes!”

Seriously, I like that idea.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Something seems off with this news conf with the Maine Police. Can't put my finger on it but something is wrong with the overall tone of the spokesperson? Hmmmm

 

[Member: 71]

Guy was hearing voices? Hmmmm….
I’m slowly reaching for that aluminum foil.

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3262465927386496&id=100008693629085

 

[petie6464]

No one was able to return fire on the shooter-

 

[530RL]

In the 60's there was a campus shooting at the University of Idaho and my aunt was shot in the neck. She bled a lot but lived.

When we go to the biennial family reunion up in Idaho, the only person who is for any greater gun legislation is my aunt, the other 200 think she "should have ducked". It's been a running joke in the family for decades.

Gun legislation restricting ownership is a non-starter in most parts of America. I've come to accept that there will be 600 or so mass shootings a year, and try to remember to duck.

 

[Willie B]

Guy was hearing voices? Hmmmm….
I’m slowly reaching for that aluminum foil.

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… Will aluminum foil stop the voices???… asking for a friend…

 

[Sandlord]

They put a lot more effort in to catching every old lady that was at the Capitol on 1/6.

 

[was thatguy]

In the 60's there was a campus shooting at the University of Idaho and my aunt was shot in the neck. She bled a lot but lived.

When we go to the biennial family reunion up in Idaho, the only person who is for any greater gun legislation is my aunt, the other 200 think she "should have ducked". It's been a running joke in the family for decades.

Gun legislation restricting ownership is a non-starter in most parts of America. I've come to accept that there will be 600 or so mass shootings a year, and try to remember to duck.

Yeah
600-690 is the average. Has been since 2019 or so.

Some non related interesting numbers:
About 10x more Americans (kids mostly) die in bathtub accidents than are killed by terrorists.

Chicago alone averages about the same number of murders as all mass shootings annually.
Police kill (right or wrong) about twice that many annually.

It’s funny how our outrage and concerns are steered by the media.

 

[hallett21]

Yeah
600-690 is the average. Has been since 2019 or so.

Some non related interesting numbers:
About 10x more Americans (kids mostly) die in bathtub accidents than are killed by terrorists.

Chicago averages about the same number of murders as all mass shootings annually.
Police kill (right or wrong) about twice that many annually.

It’s funny how our outrage and concerns are steered by the media.

What makes it a “mass shooting”.