Luxe boats

[DWC]

Since you love logic, psychology, and conspiracy..

I have considered taking problem members in the past and making them moderators of certain forums so that they in fact, change their own behavior which tends to solve the problem in itself. lol.

Would you say
A. That has happened
B. That will happen
C. That is happening
D. I am actually a plant by the CIA and ATF to gather as much information on right wing freedom
Loving, constitutional types aka boaters as possible.

RD

RD the Fed complete with aviators and Khakis. Great Halloween outfit.

 

[pull-on]

This thread has made me realize that as much as I value freedom of speech, we should probably add more moderation to the forum. Some of the posts in here are literally “out there”. Some others if it was me I’d change my screen name out of embarrassment..

At some point today I’m gonna clean this thread up. Most likely over lunch wherever that maybe.

RD

I’ll do the dirty as a mod. Break out the ban hammer and start clipping these name calling cocksuckers!

Let’s Make Boating Great Again.

 

[ChrisV]

I’ll do the dirty as a mod. Break out the ban hammer and start clipping these name calling cocksuckers!

Let’s Make Boating Great Again.

Pick us. @RiverDave


Everyone that disagree with you.

 

[Raffit78]

The part I don’t understand is, a lot of consumers got screwed over, now they’re left having to pick up parts, molds, try to figure out what to do next. They are getting ridiculed for trusting in this company to do them right.

There’s some built emotions I get it, nobody wants to see their buddy lose money. Excuse my ignorance, but did I miss something?

 

[JFMFG]

Pick us. @RiverDave


Everyone that disagree with you.
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@ChrisV and I as mods.

 

[hallett21]

The part I don’t understand is, a lot of consumers got screwed over, now they’re left having to pick up parts, molds, try to figure out what to do next. They are getting ridiculed for trusting in this company to do them right.

There’s some built emotions I get it, nobody wants to see their buddy lose money. Excuse my ignorance, but did I miss something?

No I don’t think so….

And I don’t think they should be ridiculed.

But there seems to be a stigma that if there’s a legitimate company, that company HAS to make all customers whole. And that’s just not the way the real world works.

Call it theft, bad business, stupidity, too ambitious etc. there are reasons you incorporate a business. #1 reason is to take the liability off of yourself. What seems to be in question is whether the owner failed because he just failed or if he attempted to steal from clients. But why would he make himself personally liable for those debts when he doesn’t have too?

Something that’s a reoccurring theme is that off-road and boating enthusiasts hold company owners personally responsible when the foundation of the business doesn’t work that way. While they may be the face of the company, they are not the first one liable for it.

It doesn’t make anything ok or anyone whole. And honestly I guess it doesn’t matter the reasons for LUXE closing their doors. They’re shut, so those with deposits, half done builds etc need to find a way forward.

If you’re out money you have legal means to try to recoup your loses.

This thread has shown the disconnect between members that’s for sure lol.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Has Luxe declared bankruptcy or does anyone know if that’s in the plans? That would be the only way to try and make creditors more whole.

Either that allows for payment plans and the business to continue or it’s a straight liquidation of everything and disbursement. (Cant remember which is which, CH 7 or CH 11).

 

[hallett21]

Has Luxe declared bankruptcy or does anyone know if that’s in the plans? That would be the only way to try and make creditors more whole.

Either that allows for payment plans and the business to continue or it’s a straight liquidation of everything and disbursement. (Cant remember which is which, CH 7 or CH 11).

You need creditors first…..

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

You need creditors first…..

Can’t customers be creditors if they show the money they paid in that they didn’t get a product or a refund on?

 

[hallett21]

Can’t customers be creditors if they show the money they paid in that they didn’t get a product or a refund on?

I believe you need to file suit to become a creditor.

Edit.

But you don’t go BK unless your creditors overweight your cash/income. It’s very possible that they handled the suppliers debts and left the customers hanging. Or the opposite.

 

[paradise]

No I don’t think so….

And I don’t think they should be ridiculed.

But there seems to be a stigma that if there’s a legitimate company, that company HAS to make all customers whole. And that’s just not the way the real world works.

Call it theft, bad business, stupidity, too ambitious etc. there are reasons you incorporate a business. #1 reason is to take the liability off of yourself. What seems to be in question is whether the owner failed because he just failed or if he attempted to steal from clients. But why would he make himself personally liable for those debts when he doesn’t have too?

Something that’s a reoccurring theme is that off-road and boating enthusiasts hold company owners personally responsible when the foundation of the business doesn’t work that way. While they may be the face of the company, they are not the first one liable for it.

It doesn’t make anything ok or anyone whole. And honestly I guess it doesn’t matter the reasons for LUXE closing their doors. They’re shut, so those with deposits, half done builds etc need to find a way forward.

If you’re out money you have legal means to try to recoup your loses.

This thread has shown the disconnect between members that’s for sure lol.

All very true, but I wonder where it goes from bad business to fraud. I'M NOT SAYING THIS WAS FRAUD, JUST TALKING HYPOTHETICAL.

If they take deposits with intent to build and go out of business because they misjudged costs, that's seems like just bad business.

If they ask for a progress payment and provide POs for motors, saying it's for your boat and then knowingly install them on another, that seems to take it to another level?

Again, no proof of that here but just an interesting question.

 

[hallett21]

All very true, but I wonder where it goes from bad business to fraud. I'M NOT SAYING THIS WAS FRAUD, JUST TALKING HYPOTHETICAL.

If they take deposits with intent to build and go out of business because they misjudged costs, that's seems like just bad business.

If they ask for a progress payment and provide POs for motors, saying it's for your boat and then knowingly install them on another, that seems to take it to another level?

Again, no proof of that here but just an interesting question.

Absolutely. But if we want to muddy the waters further it sounds like the motors are just “material”.

Meaning customers were invoiced for those motors, but since only a dealer can purchase the motors who’s to decide where those motors go?

It’s the wild fucking west as far as I’m concerned. I’m not berating or defending anyone. But damn when you throw down 200k-500k you better know what you’re buying.

 

[paradise]

Absolutely. But if we want to muddy the waters further it sounds like the motors are just “material”.

Meaning customers were invoiced for those motors, but since only a dealer can purchase the motors who’s to decide where those motors go?

It’s the wild fucking west as far as I’m concerned. I’m not berating or defending anyone. But damn when you throw down 200k-500k you better know what you’re buying.

Agreed, but in law it seems to come down to whether something was willful. If Fraudulent misrepresentation can be proven (for example a PO sent to customer X and customer X being told those were his motors and he needed to pay his next progress payment, when they were known to the business to be for customer Y) that could be an issue.

Hopefully that isn't the case

 

[hallett21]

Agreed, but in law it seems to come down to whether something was willful. If Fraudulent misrepresentation can be proven (for example a PO sent to customer X and customer X being told those were his motors and he needed to pay his next progress payment, when they were known to the business to be for customer Y) that could be an issue.

Hopefully that isn't the case

I really hope that’s not the case but hope don’t float lol.

I’ll always want to believe in someone taking a chance to make something of themselves. It sucks when they fail.

 

[riverroyal]

All very true, but I wonder where it goes from bad business to fraud. I'M NOT SAYING THIS WAS FRAUD, JUST TALKING HYPOTHETICAL.

If they take deposits with intent to build and go out of business because they misjudged costs, that's seems like just bad business.

If they ask for a progress payment and provide POs for motors, saying it's for your boat and then knowingly install them on another, that seems to take it to another level?

Again, no proof of that here but just an interesting question.

Your upper case capital LETTERS mean nothing to RDP English majors...

Now you've done it...

 

[Justsomeguy]

@ChrisV and I as mods.

Nice set of hooters you got there, the owls..

 

[RVRKID]

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[sirbob]

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At least it has a lifetime hull warranty…

 

[JFMFG]

At least it has a lifetime hull warranty…

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Kinda shitty to advertise lifetime in the hull not knowing what’s going on right now. And I guarantee you the owner of that boat knows.

 

[Good Stuff]

Kinda shitty to advertise lifetime in the hull not knowing what’s going on right now. And I guarantee you the owner of that boat knows.

It was a question in the comments.

I would imagine the pontoons were manufactured by someone else and carry their warranty. Not sure how you would get that serviced by another shop though.

 

[Justsomeguy]

Kinda shitty to advertise lifetime in the hull not knowing what’s going on right now. And I guarantee you the owner of that boat knows.

I was thinking the same. He has to know and when they are gone who warranties? Unless it's the toons themselves and they are outsourced?

Edit to add: good stuff already cleared that up.

 

[hallett21]

I wish they completed that 20ish v bottom they were building.

 

[Floaterboat]

Kinda shitty to advertise lifetime in the hull not knowing what’s going on right now. And I guarantee you the owner of that boat knows.

The hulls (deck and below) were made by another toon manufacturer. As stated above and in the comments.

That add is spot on with what would be covered by warranty and what is not.

It really is not that big of a deal if you bought one of these finished ones. The variables are the interior and interior electronics. Yea you might have to re-engineer some stuff if the fold down side door fails, but the rest is just a regular boat with regular parts that most shops can deal with.

 

[Ladsm]

It was a question in the comments.

I would imagine the pontoons were manufactured by someone else and carry their warranty. Not sure how you would get that serviced by another shop though.

The Pontoons and motors are bought with warranties. The fiberglass deck and body was made in-house so no warranty on that. Whoever is rigging the last units I am sure will warranty what ever labor and parts they install. Bad situation for all.

 

[Tank]

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Is it just me, or does that seem
Like a really dedent price? Seems the cost of a high end toon is crazy now a days and I will
Say those luxe could’ve been tip of the spear in that arena.

 

[hallett21]

Is it just me, or does that seem
Like a really dedent price? Seems the cost of a high end toon is crazy now a days and I will
Say those luxe could’ve been tip of the spear in that arena.

I agree. I’m just wondering if it doesn’t run right?

 

[JFMFG]

Is it just me, or does that seem
Like a really dedent price? Seems the cost of a high end toon is crazy now a days and I will
Say those luxe could’ve been tip of the spear in that arena.

I agree seems cheap for a twin pontoon with the features luxe offers.

 

[Good Stuff]

I agree. I’m just wondering if it doesn’t run right?

There are some videos on this site of them running. Nothing close to the Trifectas or Avalons from what I saw but they weren’t really marketed as a performance toon.

 

[FlyByWire]

Oh shit there’s a new post on the RDP Facebook with videos and contract pictures.

 

[attitude]

I agree. I’m just wondering if it doesn’t run right?

When it first was built it looked like the CG was too fare forward, judging by the for sale pics it looks like that has been fixed.

 

[clarence]

Too bad.

A really pretty boat.

 

[Floaterboat]

There are some videos on this site of them running. Nothing close to the Trifectas or Avalons from what I saw but they weren’t really marketed as a performance toon.

They are built for pleasure, not speed for sure. If you have seen one at the Street fair or checked out one in person, they are huge!

 

[hallett21]

Oh shit there’s a new post on the RDP Facebook with videos and contract pictures.

Post ‘em lol

 

[Tank]

There are some videos on this site of them running. Nothing close to the Trifectas or Avalons from what I saw but they weren’t really marketed as a performance toon.

They definitely don’t run bow up like the trifectas and avalons. They seem
To be a lot wetter. But like you said, they weren’t marketed as a performance toon (I still can’t say that with a straight face ) and this one has 300’s. Not exactly shooting for top speeds. But party barge? Aaaaaaaaaall day!!!!

 

[hallett21]

Well the boats posted on FB we’re under 300k and draws were roughly 25-35 k per draw.

 

[hallett21]

He definitely paid a majority of it. View attachment 1425463

He’s the guy missing motors? Seems like during some of these payment lulls the customer would have followed up on the progress.

 

[Floaterboat]

He definitely paid a majority of it.

@NicPaus
From what I’ve heard about these guys, I’d delete this post and just let it live on Facebook.

 

[EmpirE231]

Imagine if someone from the year 2017 had a time machine and went into the future, reading these threads that a 200K toon is a good deal, and having twin measly 300's was more of a cruiser boat

 

[Cole Trickle]

Imagine if someone from the year 2017 had a time machine and went into the future, reading these threads that a 200K toon is a good deal, and having twin measly 300's was more of a cruiser boat

I would be too busy buying hallet 210's/240's and investing in nvidia stock to worry about a pontoon...lol

 

[RiverDave]

@NicPaus
From what I’ve heard about these guys, I’d delete this post and just let it live on Facebook.

Wait a sec.. you post a thread to get the word out and the truth out.. and now someone posts an actual contract so there is REAL INFORMATION and you are saying to delete it?

Why?

More importantly the guy posted it himself? It would seem he would want others to see it?

 

[Floaterboat]

Wait a sec.. you post a thread to get the word out and the truth out.. and now someone posts an actual contract so there is REAL INFORMATION and you are saying to delete it?

Why?

How much money would you have to be out to hurt someone over? I’ve heard there are people mixed up in this that have exceeded threshold for violence. These people have associates that take care of things like this.

I said leave it on FB. I wouldn’t want to be linked to that hot potato later.

 

[RiverDave]

How much money would you have to be out to hurt someone over? I’ve heard there are people mixed up in this that have exceeded threshold for violence. These people have associates that take care of things like this.

I said leave it on FB. I wouldn’t want to be linked to that hot potato later.

I’m not linked to anything.. the guy posted it online, meaning he wants people to see it.

Your stance on this is bizarre to say the least.

RD

 

[ChumpChange]

How much money would you have to be out to hurt someone over? I’ve heard there are people mixed up in this that have exceeded threshold for violence. These people have associates that take care of things like this.

I said leave it on FB. I wouldn’t want to be linked to that hot potato later.

They said the same thing with OCM. Fun Fact… Tim is still alive.

 

[RiverDave]

They said the same thing with OCM. Fun Fact… Tim is still alive.

Currently in Oregon working for a car dealership.. (how that happens with his record I dunno)

 

[n2otoofast4u]

How much money would you have to be out to hurt someone over? I’ve heard there are people mixed up in this that have exceeded threshold for violence. These people have associates that take care of things like this.

I said leave it on FB. I wouldn’t want to be linked to that hot potato later.

Ain't nobody gonna whack anyone over chump change like this! What is the VERY most you are out, $200K? The folks that can afford to pony up $200K can afford to lose $200K and not live under a bridge. People that have those resources aren't going to get tied up in some Lifetime Channel murder for hire bullshit either! This happens over, and over, and over, and over, and over again! Look at OC Tim. The hardest hit he took was a slap from or RD and he fucked over way more people...... Again, people with this amount of cash aren't looking to spend time in prison. You're as much or more drama than the actual storyline here!

 

[Tank]

Just for the record. There’s nobody that’s gonna hurt anyone over this. There never is. The types of guys that lose this type of money have way more to lose with fuckin around like that. This will all be dealt with eventually in the courts. Like all the others.

 

[NicPaus]

I just dusted off my 357 and threw it in my glove box. Just in case...

 

[Floaterboat]

They said the same thing with OCM. Fun Fact… Tim is still alive.

OCM Tim ripped off a bunch of white guys. What are they going to do, post their displeasure on the internet?

I hope this is dealt with in the courts and not the streets. I didn’t say anyone was going to be killed, and certainly not directly by the dude we have a picture of his face.

But we do live in a world where people do get hurt over less than a couple hundred grand sometimes.

Half this site won’t even go to Mexico out of fear.

 

[Floaterboat]

I just dusted off my 357 and threw it in my glove box. Just in case...

Good. If they scream Alalalala or LuxLuxLux open fire.

 

[n2otoofast4u]

Currently in Oregon working for a car dealership.. (how that happens with his record I dunno)

The car business is the second most crooked industry around, only behind the boat industry.


Find out what car dealership and Ill go take a selfie with him!