Looking for a DP Motorhome

[EmpirE231]

This is what I'm used too diving, but its my parents and used it for a trade show in Atlanta 4 years ago and took 2 weeks to come back to CA. with the kids.... 7-8 at the time but no dogs. We alo have used it many times for local trips and our yearly Pirates Cove trip at easter before we bought our trailer.

I just hope with any other mfg I'm looking at drives as nice as this one.... I know the tag does wanders, but do wonder if the bus non tag model drives just as nice... dont know.

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Tiffin's are very nice rigs, but I heard their quality went down hill after they were purchased by Thor in 2020. Same with Newmar when they were purchased by Winnebago in 2019. It'll be another 2-3 years before we get our next motorhome, but it will most likely be a a pre 2020 Newmar.

 

[Done-it-again]

Tiffin's are very nice rigs, but I heard their quality went down hill after they were purchased by Thor in 2020. Same with Newmar when they were purchased by Winnebago in 2019. It'll be another 2-3 years before we get our next motorhome, but it will most likely be a a pre 2020 Newmar.

Its true with Tiffin.... This is a '12 unit, has had a couple of minor hiccups. But the main one now is a wet bay on the kitchen slide that will be getting fixed.

We also needed to replace a hose pipe that carried exhaust for the def emission over the engine that was burnt through. That was like a $2500 pipe and we did the labor.

 

[Cooter01]

Based on my research for older rigs 2002-2007 ish non emission bs, the mid to higher end tier Monaco Dynasty and Newmars get my vote. I would highly suggest the big cummins or cat for engine and than worry about amenities, I do plan on towing with mine an enclosed or stacker. Good deals can be had for up to 100k or so and seems most banks will lend depending on mileage from calling and shopping around. I like the older stuff that is well maintained and documented, insurance and registration is much cheaper too.

 

[RVRKID]

My buddy is selling his, it is super clean though I know it's not a bunk model.

https://str8uptoytrader.com/listing/2009-travel-supreme-envoy-42rb24-dp/

 

[Deano]

One thing that is cheap and works good for roll are the SuperSteer motion control valves that you put on the airbag lines.
I had those and a few other SuperSteer parts on my last pusher and it would track straight as an arrow in big crosswind / past trucks, etc. while steering with my pinky. All on a freightliner chassis lol.

 

[Good Stuff]

Have to say I’m a little disappointed in the replies here. 55 posts and not a single DP joke….

 

[monkeyswrench]

I don't know crap about the interior stuff, or layouts. Here's some stuff I can tell you though from working on them:

Side mount radiators seem to keep the trailer or toad a bit cleaner. Also, it gives you a pretty good view of the motor when the rear hatch is up, see possible leaks or wiring, good view of belts and such. You do have to cuss when you change the 90 degree box oil, and lube the U-joints.

The Spartan chassis with A arms and tags handle really well for a house. For some reason though, the tags eat tires. Pretty common on the boards.

In the mid-2000's, some of the "smaller" coaches were offered with a 3 ram leveler setup. They can be a bit temperamental. A whole lot of strain on the single also.

Get one with a genny on a slide out. Some have the front hatch, that tips open. Those work for checking fluids, but repairs and maintenance get costly for labor.

 

[PaPaG]

How are the fleetwood revolutions 2008/2009 era tag axles ? been looking at tags for a while now.

 

[Done-it-again]

How are the fleetwood revolutions 2008/2009 era tag axles ? been looking at tags for a while now.

People like them as you can tow 15k. But I’m not sure of the build quality.

 

[PaPaG]

People like them as you can tow 15k. But I’m not sure of the build quality.

Someone with much more knowledge than I with motorhomes suggested that he rather buy a well built motorhome that sold for 500-600k new for 100-150k used versus a one that sold new for 175-200k motorhome now selling for 60-100k. I have seen junk that sold for 500k new and asking a lot now but not nearly as common. Seems like a better chance at getting a better built unit.

 

[Cooter01]

Someone with much more knowledge than I with motorhomes suggested that he rather buy a well built motorhome that sold for 500-600k new for 100-150k used versus a one that sold new for 175-200k motorhome now selling for 60-100k. I have seen junk that sold for 500k new and asking a lot now but not nearly as common. Seems like a better chance at getting a better built unit.

Agreed! The build quality of 15-20 years ago lets these rigs hold up to the current date and time as the build quality is off the chart, pair that with a 500 hp engine stock and they are a good contender for current times. Hit up PDI for a tuner to get a slight edge on performance and temps and let it roll.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

How are the fleetwood revolutions 2008/2009 era tag axles ? been looking at tags for a while now.

We've got one. Its a 42K LE with a full wall slide, an ISL and a Spartan chassis. We've well documented our issues here on RDP. Ours is a Tag with a 15K towing capacity. I've never had enough confidence to tow anything with it, however the towing capacity was one of the many attractions. On paper this rig looks awesome, in reality it has not been awesome. My guess is that we've finally sorted all the issues after about $35-$40K in repairs. (including 8 tires) in 3.5 years of ownership. (It's been in storage since April) I have so little confidence in it, I will likely never drive it again except from Islander storage to our seasonal spot and back to storage.

As best as I can tell, the DPF (no DEF) is an issue. I'm sure if I was able to delete and tune this rig it would be pretty good. Most of the engine issues have been related in some way to emission controls and sensors. My personal favorite is the "Stop Engine" light that provides the driver about 60 seconds to find a place to stop before the engine dies. I've been lucky enough to experience that joy three times in about the worst places you can imagine. I "Think" we found the sensor that was causing that issue last winter, but I've not driven it since we fixed that. (Coolant level sensor) I'm not over heating, but I think my reservoir is low so lets turn off on this grade with no shoulder.

A full set of gauges that includes EGT would be a great help, but I've lost interest in spending any more money on that money pit.

I'm happy to see people still want these things, we have kicked around trading ours in on a 5th wheel. The fit and finish of the interior is far superior to any 5th wheels we've looked at which is one reason we have not decided to move over to a trailer. The full wall slide makes the inside so big. When it's parked we love it, but I dread driving it.

IMHO it has been one of the worst purchases we made. I'm thankful for the good times our two year walkabout produced, but wish they were not overshadowed by #ThisDamnRv.

I can't understate my hate for that RV. I would not even think of selling it to anyone I even remotely know. When it goes for sale I will use a consignment lot and don't want to know the buyer.

My advice, go 2007 or earlier and analog as much as possible, even the Gdamn rear toilet sensor is always busted.

 

[RCDave2]

I don't know crap about the interior stuff, or layouts. Here's some stuff I can tell you though from working on them:

Side mount radiators seem to keep the trailer or toad a bit cleaner. Also, it gives you a pretty good view of the motor when the rear hatch is up, see possible leaks or wiring, good view of belts and such. You do have to cuss when you change the 90 degree box oil, and lube the U-joints.

The Spartan chassis with A arms and tags handle really well for a house. For some reason though, the tags eat tires. Pretty common on the boards.

In the mid-2000's, some of the "smaller" coaches were offered with a 3 ram leveler setup. They can be a bit temperamental. A whole lot of strain on the single also.

Get one with a genny on a slide out. Some have the front hatch, that tips open. Those work for checking fluids, but repairs and maintenance get costly for labor.

They also provide a longer wheelbase versus a rear radiator

 

[EmpirE231]

I don't know crap about the interior stuff, or layouts. Here's some stuff I can tell you though from working on them:

Side mount radiators seem to keep the trailer or toad a bit cleaner. Also, it gives you a pretty good view of the motor when the rear hatch is up, see possible leaks or wiring, good view of belts and such. You do have to cuss when you change the 90 degree box oil, and lube the U-joints.

The Spartan chassis with A arms and tags handle really well for a house. For some reason though, the tags eat tires. Pretty common on the boards.

In the mid-2000's, some of the "smaller" coaches were offered with a 3 ram leveler setup. They can be a bit temperamental. A whole lot of strain on the single also.

Get one with a genny on a slide out. Some have the front hatch, that tips open. Those work for checking fluids, but repairs and maintenance get costly for labor.

Great info here! Big perks to a side radiator coach if you like to do any DIY maintenance like I did today. Oil changed, belts changed new air filter ordered.

Genny slide also makes service a little easier

 

[PaPaG]

We've got one. Its a 42K LE with a full wall slide, an ISL and a Spartan chassis. We've well documented our issues here on RDP. Ours is a Tag with a 15K towing capacity. I've never had enough confidence to tow anything with it, however the towing capacity was one of the many attractions. On paper this rig looks awesome, in reality it has not been awesome. My guess is that we've finally sorted all the issues after about $35-$40K in repairs. (including 8 tires) in 3.5 years of ownership. (It's been in storage since April) I have so little confidence in it, I will likely never drive it again except from Islander storage to our seasonal spot and back to storage.

As best as I can tell, the DPF (no DEF) is an issue. I'm sure if I was able to delete and tune this rig it would be pretty good. Most of the engine issues have been related in some way to emission controls and sensors. My personal favorite is the "Stop Engine" light that provides the driver about 60 seconds to find a place to stop before the engine dies. I've been lucky enough to experience that joy three times in about the worst places you can imagine. I "Think" we found the sensor that was causing that issue last winter, but I've not driven it since we fixed that. (Coolant level sensor) I'm not over heating, but I think my reservoir is low so lets turn off on this grade with no shoulder.

A full set of gauges that includes EGT would be a great help, but I've lost interest in spending any more money on that money pit.

I'm happy to see people still want these things, we have kicked around trading ours in on a 5th wheel. The fit and finish of the interior is far superior to any 5th wheels we've looked at which is one reason we have not decided to move over to a trailer. The full wall slide makes the inside so big. When it's parked we love it, but I dread driving it.

IMHO it has been one of the worst purchases we made. I'm thankful for the good times our two year walkabout produced, but wish they were not overshadowed by #ThisDamnRv.

I can't understate my hate for that RV. I would not even think of selling it to anyone I even remotely know. When it goes for sale I will use a consignment lot and don't want to know the buyer.

My advice, go 2007 or earlier and analog as much as possible, even the Gdamn rear toilet sensor is always busted.

WOW, so sorry you have has so many bad problems with yours, It does give me the mindset to run from looking further at any of them, I saw a few 2005/06s that looked brand new (other makes) and it is so easy to at this point to look at other options. Thanks for all the info, it helps.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

WOW, so sorry you have has so many bad problems with yours, It does give me the mindset to run from looking further at any of them, I saw a few 2005/06s that looked brand new (other makes) and it is so easy to at this point to look at other options. Thanks for all the info, it helps.

IMHO, just don't assume Pre DEF is enough. Get Pre DPF.

There are also some serial numbers of ISLs that have a wrist pin failure issue in the 2006-2007 model years. If you do a search you'll find a lot of info and the serial number spreads.

I firmly believe if I invested in deleting the DPF, installing a complete set of gauges and a programmable tuner, many of the issues would be solved. As it stands we have been two rounds on replacing some items related to emissions, like the DPF and we've moved on from the interest in traveling around in a giant bus. The coach is nothing more than a movable park model for us at this point that allows us a lake view spot at Islander. We have no intention of traveling like that and I'm building a new rig right now for our ambition to roam. Much smaller, much easier to drive and much more favorable to boon docking. Ironically it's a Cummins/Allison powered vehicle, just no GD emission controls.

I've got an old friend who is an RV tech in Arizona, he scolded me when I bought #thisdamnrv and everything he warmed me of was correct. It would have been easier to pile up the cash in the yard and strike a match.

 

[monkeyswrench]

IMHO, just don't assume Pre DEF is enough. Get Pre DPF.

There are also some serial numbers of ISLs that have a wrist pin failure issue in the 2006-2007 model years. If you do a search you'll find a lot of info and the serial number spreads.

I firmly believe if I invested in deleting the DPF, installing a complete set of gauges and a programmable tuner, many of the issues would be solved. As it stands we have been two rounds on replacing some items related to emissions, like the DPF and we've moved on from the interest in traveling around in a giant bus. The coach is nothing more than a movable park model for us at this point that allows us a lake view spot at Islander. We have no intention of traveling like that and I'm building a new rig right now for our ambition to roam. Much smaller, much easier to drive and much more favorable to boon docking. Ironically it's a Cummins/Allison powered vehicle, just no GD emission controls.

I've got an old friend who is an RV tech in Arizona, he scolded me when I bought #thisdamnrv and everything he warmed me of was correct. It would have been easier to pile up the cash in the yard and strike a match.

The DPF models have more restriction. More restriction, higher EGT's. When they start to get plugged, it gets ugly. The motor has to work harder, so it fuels a little more...well, then it starts the ball rolling. More heat, more exhaust, egt's and coolant Temps following. The stupid egr pipe I found is real common. First one I did, called Cummins...they had 15 on the shelf If a dealer has that many of anything, you know it's a problem.

I can't remember the name of the company, but someone makes a scanner that plugs into the service port, and you run a cat5 wire to the dash. You can run some live data and clear codes.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

The DPF models have more restriction. More restriction, higher EGT's. When they start to get plugged, it gets ugly. The motor has to work harder, so it fuels a little more...well, then it starts the ball rolling. More heat, more exhaust, egt's and coolant Temps following. The stupid egr pipe I found is real common. First one I did, called Cummins...they had 15 on the shelf If a dealer has that many of anything, you know it's a problem.

I can't remember the name of the company, but someone makes a scanner that plugs into the service port, and you run a cat5 wire to the dash. You can run some live data and clear codes.

SPOT on as always. Yea Junk, transition years are always an issue.

I read about a product called Silverpeak or Silver something that allowed you do connect a laptop to the OBDII port. Many people used an iPad, but it was all pretty outdated information.

The issue with aftermarket products is that if you wait too long they stop production.

 

[zhandfull]

Just listed on Facebook.

 

[spark2678]

Just listed on Facebook.
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I saw this too. Looks like a smoking deal for a Monaco, Tax Axle, Pre-DPF/DEF, Side Radiator, Cummins 400HP. Maybe an older couple who can't travel anymore? Original owners.

 

[Done-it-again]

Just listed on Facebook.
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I got to get FB just for the market place....

I'm toying with this issue myself, go old school or get something in the mid teen years. I just have a wife to deal with and not sure if she has the same feeling....

Back in '05 my father picked up an '02 Monaco Diplomat. I starting using it more than he did a few years later (he was busy with work, lol). Did pretty good out in the washes in Glamis and down in buttercup....

 

[monkeyswrench]

Just listed on Facebook.
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On one of these, test drive it for a pretty good run after warm up, and check for leaks around the injector pump (oil or fuel). Pretty sure this falls into the years with "CAPS" injection, Cummins Accumulator Pump (pressure?) System. It's kind of a bastardized VP pump on steroids. Internal gear pump feeds a piston pump, then sent to a distributor. The lift pump is just a primer from the factory, runs for a few seconds during startup. The pressure and volume of the fuel is controlled kind of like a valve body, with solenoids on top of a steel brick on top of the pump.

They only used that system for a couple years. Had some issues, but generally pretty good. Got shelved due to emissions. Problem is, parts and rebuild stuff are expensive.
They also use 2 engine speed sensors. Those have been known to be problematic, as it will run with one, just give occasional hiccups that set fueling codes.

 

[BHC Vic]

I saw this too. Looks like a smoking deal for a Monaco, Tax Axle, Side Radiator, Cummins 400HP. Maybe an older couple who can't travel anymore? Original owners.

I think he’s priced realistic honestly. I was ready to pull the trigger on the pre def Seneca but registration is going to be an issue. For AZ too

 

[EmpirE231]

Just listed on Facebook.
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that is either a smoking deal, or a totally hammered RV at that price.

 

[236eaglexp]

I have a 2001 Monaco Dynasty tag axle. ISL Cummins , aqua hot, girard electric awning, 2 slides, 7.5 diesel generator etc… Less than 15k original miles and about 150 hours on generator. New floor in living room and entry. Very clean coach that we just aren’t using . Was going to list it for 65k, I’d take 60k from an RDP member

 

[Dr Rob]

I got to get FB just for the market place....

I'm toying with this issue myself, go old school or get something in the mid teen years. I just have a wife to deal with and not sure if she has the same feeling....

Back in '05 my father picked up an '02 Monaco Diplomat. I starting using it more than he did a few years later (he was busy with work, lol). Did pretty good out in the washes in Glamis and down in buttercup....

If you are looking for a newer coach this one might be a nice floor plan for you with a to bedroom with bunks.

 

[69hondo]

I have a 2001 Monaco Dynasty tag axle. ISL Cummins , aqua hot, girard electric awning, 2 slides, 7.5 diesel generator etc… Less than 15k original miles and about 150 hours on generator. New floor in living room and entry. Very clean coach that we just aren’t using . Was going to list it for 65k, I’d take 60k from an RDP member

Wow! I though mine had low miles and hours on the generator.
Nice coach man. Someone going to get a deal.

 

[callbob]

What scares me about a coach that old and lack of miles, is all the sitting and not running. A lot of dried out hoses, seals, etc. Could be a money pit. Just an fyi from my perspective.

 

[n2otoofast4u]

I have a 2001 Monaco Dynasty tag axle. ISL Cummins , aqua hot, girard electric awning, 2 slides, 7.5 diesel generator etc… Less than 15k original miles and about 150 hours on generator. New floor in living room and entry. Very clean coach that we just aren’t using . Was going to list it for 65k, I’d take 60k from an RDP member

What is date code on tires and batteries? Where are you located?

 

[zhandfull]

What scares me about a coach that old and lack of miles, is all the sitting and not running. A lot of dried out hoses, seals, etc. Could be a money pit. Just an fyi from my perspective.

I don’t know about low miles. My Bounder had 100k on it when I bought it. Lot of friends said that was a lot of miles. It was eighteen years old. Five or six thousand miles a year of use sounded reasonable to me. Was a great rig for three years I owned it. Only sold it to upgrade to DP.

 

[236eaglexp]

What is date code on tires and batteries? Where are you located?

I’m in Oak Hills. Coach is registered in AZ. I think you bought my Shockwave years ago in havasu

 

[236eaglexp]

What is date code on tires and batteries? Where are you located?

Date code on tires are 2021. They were new when I bought coach

 

[callbob]

BTW didn't mean to knock on your coach. Beautiful rig without a doubt and great price. Just something to think about with very little use. They are designed to go and for a long time.

 

[brgrcru]

My Alpha 2005
35k
Second owner
20k miles
C-7 cat 300hp
No def no dpf
Pulls hills just fine .
Everything works
Has a few blemishes for being almost 20 years old

 

[STV_Keith]

SPOT on as always. Yea Junk, transition years are always an issue.

I read about a product called Silverpeak or Silver something that allowed you do connect a laptop to the OBDII port. Many people used an iPad, but it was all pretty outdated information.

The issue with aftermarket products is that if you wait too long they stop production.

I think your talking about Silverleaf, and they in fact, have stopped production of their product called VMSpc. I have one and love it. Too bad there aren't many good options on the market for this anymore. There is one option called BlueFire, my FIL had one and didn't really like it...moved to the Silverleaf before they were discontinued. Pics of my Surface 3pro convertible laptop, magnetically stuck to my dash, displaying the OBD J1939 data. I barely look at the dash as everything pertinent is on the display.

 

[STV_Keith]

On one of these, test drive it for a pretty good run after warm up, and check for leaks around the injector pump (oil or fuel). Pretty sure this falls into the years with "CAPS" injection, Cummins Accumulator Pump (pressure?) System. It's kind of a bastardized VP pump on steroids. Internal gear pump feeds a piston pump, then sent to a distributor. The lift pump is just a primer from the factory, runs for a few seconds during startup. The pressure and volume of the fuel is controlled kind of like a valve body, with solenoids on top of a steel brick on top of the pump.

They only used that system for a couple years. Had some issues, but generally pretty good. Got shelved due to emissions. Problem is, parts and rebuild stuff are expensive.
They also use 2 engine speed sensors. Those have been known to be problematic, as it will run with one, just give occasional hiccups that set fueling codes.

He ain't lyin'! A CAPS failure will cost you over 10k to fix. My FIL's Foretravel U295 has the ISL400 with this system, and he's somewhat concerned about it. He has added the FASS fuel system for filtering and additional lift pump volume, to hopefully keep the CAPS happy for as long as possible.

 

[236eaglexp]

What scares me about a coach that old and lack of miles, is all the sitting and not running. A lot of dried out hoses, seals, etc. Could be a money pit. Just an fyi from my

BTW didn't mean to knock on your coach. Beautiful rig without a doubt and great price. Just something to think about with very little use. They are designed to go and for a long time.

I get it , I was also concerned when we bought it but it was too clean to pass up, annd we purchased from original owners. looked a long time for a clean low mile coach. Luckily it had been in climate controlled storage its whole life before we purchased it and hasn’t given us any issues in the time we’ve had it. Only service issue we had was the diesel nozzle on the aqua hot. It wouldn’t let the boiler fire up. Once the nozzle was replaced , aqua hot has worked flawlessly and I wouldn’t want another coach without the aqua hot system

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I think your talking about Silverleaf, and they in fact, have stopped production of their product called VMSpc. I have one and love it. Too bad there aren't many good options on the market for this anymore. There is one option called BlueFire, my FIL had one and didn't really like it...moved to the Silverleaf before they were discontinued. Pics of my Surface 3pro convertible laptop, magnetically stuck to my dash, displaying the OBD J1939 data. I barely look at the dash as everything pertinent is on the display.

Yea that was it, but I wanted EGTs. I could not find one for sale anywhere when I was looking.

 

[monkeyswrench]

He ain't lyin'! A CAPS failure will cost you over 10k to fix. My FIL's Foretravel U295 has the ISL400 with this system, and he's somewhat concerned about it. He has added the FASS fuel system for filtering and additional lift pump volume, to hopefully keep the CAPS happy for as long as possible.

I think what kills the CAPS itself is a bad lift pump, then extended cranking trying to get the gear pump to prime. Most of the things blamed on the CAPS failures seem to be electrical gremlins.

I have run across an "off road" use only P-pump kit though...wasn't cheap, like 9k, but pretty damn bulletproof I'd think.

 

[Done-it-again]

He ain't lyin'! A CAPS failure will cost you over 10k to fix. My FIL's Foretravel U295 has the ISL400 with this system, and he's somewhat concerned about it. He has added the FASS fuel system for filtering and additional lift pump volume, to hopefully keep the CAPS happy for as long as possible.

The 2001-2008 Foretravels are nice, wouldn't mind one of those and do an interior remodel.

The wife was not keen on a project

 

[STV_Keith]

I get it , I was also concerned when we bought it but it was too clean to pass up, annd we purchased from original owners. looked a long time for a clean low mile coach. Luckily it had been in climate controlled storage its whole life before we purchased it and hasn’t given us any issues in the time we’ve had it. Only service issue we had was the diesel nozzle on the aqua hot. It wouldn’t let the boiler fire up. Once the nozzle was replaced , aqua hot has worked flawlessly and I wouldn’t want another coach without the aqua hot system

Make sure you run that AH diesel burner at least once a month, up to full temp, to keep the nozzle from gumming up.

 

[STV_Keith]

Yea that was it, but I wanted EGTs. I could not find one for sale anywhere when I was looking.

The engine doesn't have EGT probes stock, so there is no data to see. You'd have to add a probe and run the wire all the way to the front. I really wish someone offered a BT transmitter/receiver for MH's, to avoid this. as the thermocouple wire is special and cannot be spliced or regular wire used.

 

[STV_Keith]

The 2001-2008 Foretravels are nice, wouldn't mind one of those and do an interior remodel.

The wife was not keen on a project

I've been very happy with the interior of my '03. Does everything I need. I do like the "J" dinette better, as it seems like a better use of space and more people could sit at the table to eat, but hell, it's only me now anyway.

 

[Done-it-again]

I've been very happy with the interior of my '03. Does everything I need. I do like the "J" dinette better, as it seems like a better use of space and more people could sit at the table to eat, but hell, it's only me now anyway.

This one turn out pretty good...

 

[STV_Keith]

Seems like he did a lot of work to update the look, but didn't change the layout or functionality much. The shower got a decent upgrade though. That's the same dinette I have, and it's just barely big enough for 4.

 

[FCT]

I have a 2008 Tiffin 40’ and it drives amazing. If I didn’t have my coach I probably would have bought that member on here that is selling the white and gray one. Beautiful coach and it looks brand new! Idk if you have seen that one yet. Non tag axle though.

 

[n2otoofast4u]

Just listed on Facebook.
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This is now listed for $46.5k

 

[Done-it-again]

This is now listed for $46.5k View attachment 1440825

Ha ha FB games, never fails.


We haven’t had a chance to look at any units, especially in making sure the bunks are a fit for the kids. As every free day is taken up with volleyball and its just the beginning. Grrr

Anyways we really like this layout on a Newmar. Just more than what I was looking to spend. If bunks don’t work, our option really open up.

https://www.sewellmotorcoach.com/details/used-2016-newmar-dutch-star/107336559

 

[RiverDave]

It looks like the Toyhauler is sold and now on the hunt for a diesel motorhome.

I've driven both a 2002 Monaco Diplomat 40' and 2012 Tiffin Allegro Bus 42' cross country and both were great. The Tiffin drives better as it has a tag and independent front suspension. But the Monaco had better power, but sucked in the wind.

Other than these MFG. I don't know much about the others.

Looking at a used '17 Entegra Aspire, anyone familiar with these?

Wife would prefer bunks, so that is limited on options. So for now that is what we are looking for...

Lets hear it RDP ...

What is your budget?

I have a triple bunk conversion with full off grid etc.. I’d want less than a 100. The guy I bought it off of has a newer bad ass bunk house all built out he wants 185k for it.

 

[Done-it-again]

What is your budget?

I have a triple bunk conversion with full off grid etc.. I’d want less than a 100. The guy I bought it off of has a newer bad ass bunk house all built out he wants 185k for it.

Wanting to be under 200k (used). Wife really likes the newmar Dutch star 4313 layout. But only 2 used in the country and not local to check out. Im still not 100% confirmed on bunks as we still need to test fit the kids.