L.A. Riots from a Cops Perspective

[Wedgy]

For me, after the officer was attacked and shot, in the lobby of his own Station?

Call up the Militia. I think it's past time. We could have a platoon in front of every Police and Sheriff Station in America guatanteed. This shit has gone way too far.

In addition to trained Marines, Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen, now Civilians that will respond.

There is an Army of well armed Patriots that most certainly would heed the call.

"Freedom is just another word, for nothing left to lose."
They tried to kill off all us Old Dogs. Payback is an Angry Bitch.

Waiting for the call, Mr. President.

 

[t&y]

Possibly shot in head: graze wound, or pistol whipped: fog of info.

Suspect came into station and got into fight with Officer , possibly got Offficers gun and fired a round .
Watch Sgt. Returned fire at suspect , suspect fled

Suspect in custody after pursuit

Get all lobbies on lockdown in case organized attacks

Crazy. Do you guys generally have a full uniformed vest gun belt etc handling the lobby?

 

[t&y]

 

[LowRiver2]

Crazy. Do you guys generally have a full uniformed vest gun belt etc handling the lobby?

Sore subject with me:

In my time I can think of 15 Cops injured , attacked at Station front desks

LAPD is one of the last dept’s to not have protective barriers.
Our Chief’s have been against our union on it
For community relations

Total BS

With IOD policy now days, we don’t have as many “light duty” Cops on the desk as in the past.

I can remember older Cops with a belt holster (one snap) and extra mags.

I’d wager there are rookies fresh off probation and a few older guys working Desk’s these days.
I’d guarantee they all have vests on but I’m curious what type of holster the Cop had

Harbor is an “island” in station terms: Cops spend their entire careers there.
It hasn’t had the assaults on stations like south Bureau and Wilshire /Hollywood have.
I’m sure I’ll hear more Tomorrow

The open lobby needs to end. No Cop needs to be answering phones, Writing reports, talking to citizens with no barriers. Mayberry days are long gone.
Industry SO (my local PD), has a barrier, time for LAPD to enter the modern era in station safety.

 

[LowRiver2]

I got pretty much 90% of what happened.

Tactics were missed on this one several times.
Any older Cops hearing this incident immediately thought “morning watch desk, not the hard chargers manning the fort”
Hence the case here.
I won’t get into specifics but don’t let your mind overtake your physical fitness skills or proven proper tactics when encountered with a threat.

I’d hope this is a wake up call for the Cop involved it’s time to retire.
The front doors were supposed to be locked at 1800 to the public, they were not.

That is all

 

[Wedgy]

Escondido PD's new station is intercom only in the public accessible areas. FWIW
Sound only, no visual contact. Cameras monitor the lobby.
Levelland, Littlefield Tx, are the same.
Message...

 

[monkeyswrench]

I got pretty much 90% of what happened.

Tactics were missed on this one several times.
Any older Cops hearing this incident immediately thought “morning watch desk, not the hard chargers manning the fort”
Hence the case here.
I won’t get into specifics but don’t let your mind overtake your physical fitness skills or proven proper tactics when encountered with a threat.

I’d hope this is a wake up call for the Cop involved it’s time to retire.
The front doors were supposed to be locked at 1800 to the public, they were not.

That is all

I'm going with my assumption that anytime anyone is shot with their own weapon, tactics were failed.

At least he has the chance to retire. It could have ended quite differently...

 

[Wedgy]

In discussing the LA lack of public protection of property, no arrest or prosecution of rioters and criminals..

When I lived in Ca. I never voted for lax enforcement. That's a Bullshit excuse.
Law abiding citizens pay taxes. No disrespect to LE Rank and File,, but what are we paying for again? As a Contractor, I'm not paying for a Substandard Subcontractor's work. He's gonna fix that shit. Yesterday. So why, as A taxpayer, do we still pay, and fund this lack of enforcement? WTF People? Same with Education. I pay for, and expect Law and Order. Period.

As Contractors, we don't get paid for substandard work, or work we did not perform. So why is this rampant crime BS acceptable? It's NOT.

So we're funding the destruction of our Ca Cities because LE won't enforce the law. Got it. IDFTS...

California Dreaming my ass. Kiss it Garcetti.

In Lubbock they shut this shit down the instant a person steps off the curb. Its a Crime.

 

[LowRiver2]

In discussing the LA lack of public protection of property, no arrest or prosecution of rioters and criminals..

When I lived in Ca. I never voted for lax enforcement. That's a Bullshit excuse.
Law abiding citizens pay taxes. No disrespect to LE Rank and File,, but what are we paying for again? As a Contractor, I'm not paying for a Substandard Subcontractor's work. He's gonna fix that shit. Yesterday. So why, as A taxpayer, do we still pay, and fund this lack of enforcement? WTF People? Same with Education. I pay for, annd expect Law and Order. Period.

As Contractors, we don't get paid for substandard work, or work we did not perform. So why is this rampant crime BS acceptable? It's NOT.

So we're funding the destruction of our Ca Cities because LE won't enforce the law. Got it. IDFTS...

California Dreaming my ass. Kiss it Garcetti.

In Lubbock they shut this shit down the instant a person steps off the curb. Its a Crime.

LE enforcement is directed by each jurisdiction’s local government and court system.
Only way to change that is through votingz

Most of Ca. Has been overrun by progressive liberals he’ll bent on non enforcement.
I wouldn’t say LE is not doing it’s job. We simply have become crime scene preservationists vs. crime fighters. Not LE’s fault, that’s voted in politicians that changed the rules of engagement.
I predict LE response in CA. Turning into an FD model with four Cops and a Sgt. Rolling together from the station in a sprinter van in 20 years or less: Completely reactionary.

 

[t&y]

In discussing the LA lack of public protection of property, no arrest or prosecution of rioters and criminals..

When I lived in Ca. I never voted for lax enforcement. That's a Bullshit excuse.
Law abiding citizens pay taxes. No disrespect to LE Rank and File,, but what are we paying for again? As a Contractor, I'm not paying for a Substandard Subcontractor's work. He's gonna fix that shit. Yesterday. So why, as A taxpayer, do we still pay, and fund this lack of enforcement? WTF People? Same with Education. I pay for, and expect Law and Order. Period.

As Contractors, we don't get paid for substandard work, or work we did not perform. So why is this rampant crime BS acceptable? It's NOT.

So we're funding the destruction of our Ca Cities because LE won't enforce the law. Got it. IDFTS...

California Dreaming my ass. Kiss it Garcetti.

In Lubbock they shut this shit down the instant a person steps off the curb. Its a Crime.

Lol..

All you have to do is ask our local Libturds on here why they keep voting for bleeding heart liberals. As stated by LR2, those progressive's have taken over much of the local jurisdictions and court house in the form of Judges, Public defenders, and even District Attorneys. When they set precedent invalidating laws that are being enforced, it opens departments up to huge... meaning millions upon millions of dollars in law suits. Those payouts come from the police departments budget. It's a double edged sword. Cops don't want to just stand there, believe me. But think for a minute how you would respond if you knew the moment you took LEGAL action, the local politicians, courts, and media would make your life a living hell? That is why we respond the way we do. Check all the boxes, take all measures to "De-Escalate" the situation, Give warning after warning, then only respond with the minimal level of enforcement.

There is a huge difference between property crimes, and assault type crimes, or crimes that put others at risks. Think guy driving drunk, guy robbing a store, guy breaking into someone's home, guy seriously beating someone up, vs an idiot sitting in the street chanting fuck the police.

 

[t&y]

LE enforcement is directed by each jurisdiction’s local government and court system.
Only way to change that is through votingz

Most of Ca. Has been overrun by progressive liberals he’ll bent on non enforcement.
I wouldn’t say LE is not doing it’s job. We simply have become crime scene preservationists vs. crime fighters. Not LE’s fault, that’s voted in politicians that changed the rules of engagement.
I predict LE response in CA. Turning into an FD model with four Cops and a Sgt. Rolling together from the station in a sprinter van in 20 years or less: Completely reactionary.

Unfortunately, that is exactly what the politicians want. Ohhh... and lets not forget zero bail.

 

[t&y]

In discussing the LA lack of public protection of property, no arrest or prosecution of rioters and criminals..

When I lived in Ca. I never voted for lax enforcement. That's a Bullshit excuse......

One more thought on this that escapes many people on both sides of the coin. The police are the front line of enforcement. We are the people out making contacts and arrests. Once we make that arrest, submit our filings for criminal prosecution, it is out of our hands. All these idiots running around complaining about sentencing of one race versus another, or who can afford bail versus who cannot, probably haven't even stopped to think about that. All they chant is fuck the police, or defund the police, without even considering who is pulling the strings behind us. Believe me, I've seen some shit in court in regards to sentencing that directly puts the public in danger, but the politicians and legislature do not give a shit. They are pandering to a very small fraction of our society who literally support criminal activity over living peacefully and within the confines of the law. I.E. we don't think that should be illegal so lets change the law. It doesn't matter what the majority of people want on the subject. The Libturds have a super majority and can pretty much decriminalize everything.

 

[was thatguy]

I honestly don’t know how you guys still do it.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

You guys are right.
Ultimately the voters get the law enforcement services they vote for.
Either in a direct manner, as in voting for their Sheriff...which can be better, or in an indirect manner, in voting for their city council, who, through their city manager, hires a chief of police.
In California the tide has turned and those who feed off of the system now outnumber those who feed it. Which means the takers vote for whatever makes it easier for them to take, which always includes less active law enforcement, and less serious prosecution for criminal acts.

Look at the number of former felonies reclassified as misdemeanors...which changes everything about how a case can be handled, not just the penalties that come with conviction.

Look at the prosecutors who are openly touting how their offices will not prosecute misdemeanors, nor will they prosecute "certain crimes" which don't align with their political agenda...ie rioters arrested and released with no charges.

Look at the number of reports we are seeing of citizens being slammed in the media for protecting themselves and their property, then being prosecuted, while the offenders are held up as "first amendment champions"

California now planning for the closure of prisons...Can you imagine? this state needs at least 50% MORE beds in prisons.
Or we did, before the great reclassification of crimes went through. Now the load will go back to the county jail system...which is just as overloaded as the state is, but the counties have no one to dump it on, unlike the state, who is famous for shifting it's responsibility to the counties...and not paying for the added burden.

Sorry for being so cynical and such a downer, but the line has shifted. This state and many others have spent 40 plus years using the public education system to indoctrinate our children and make them good little socialists. It doesn't take a genius to look at history of the world to see this pattern has been used for at least 200 years to destroy cultures.

And know the efforts have come to full bloom. Two plus generations of people who believe they have a right to go through life without responsibility for their actions, or their own well being. People who expect the government to provide cradle to grave room and board, and everything else they can think of. People who are striving to find something to be a victim of, because being a victim is the ultimate status symbol in their world. If they fail at that the second best status is to be offended. Somehow or another they believe they have a right to go through life without being offended, and if they are offended, someone by god owes them, and they will not rest until they are rightly acknowledged as being offended, and compensated for it.
And all who disagree or do not find their alternate reality worthy of praise are either a ____ phobe
or worse yet, a racist.

Lowrivers' vision of the cop shop of 20 years down the road is closer to reality than we think. 1 sergeant and 3 cops riding in a van rolling only to specific calls for service, sorta on the model of the fire service...a natural reaction to the insanity of today.
Could not pay me enough to do what you guys are doing every day. The day will come when the militia deal mentioned above will morph into something like the citizens vigilance committees of long ago, simply because no one with any integrity or character will sign up for the job of peace officer. Having those two pieces in your core values will preclude you from doing so.

At some point those who are on the sidelines in this, the people who do indeed have something to lose, those who go to work everyday and bust their asses to make it work, and wonder how all the rioters have time to riot when they don't even have time for dinner with their families...those people...they are going to feel backed up against a wall, and decide it is time, whether they lose something or not.
Sorta like they guys that threw the tea off of those ships in Boston Harbor a couple hundred years ago.
All of the things that divide those regular folks, the old issues,...even simple politics will fall aside... when two people who have each, in their own way, built something they want to keep, and just want to be left to their own...life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...find their way of life threatened.
Like Pearl Harbor.
Like 9-11-2001.
I don't know what they will call the straw that breaks this camels back, but I think the camel is not happy with the load.

Sorry for the rant (again) people.
Just kills me to see my country going through this, even though I have known it was coming for years, it sucks to see it finally here.
I fear for my sons. I fear for the future they will face, and my grandchildren will live through. This election is far more than just a regular turn of the card deal...this election will decide a future that will last a lot longer than the 4 year term the man who wins will serve.

 

[t&y]

Another thought here.. As soon as the unemployment benefits run out, a ton of these "peaceful protestors" will have to actually find a way to make money instead of getting a cash from Soros or the local government.

 

[LowRiver2]

Another thought here.. As soon as the unemployment benefits run out, a ton of these "peaceful protestors" will have to actually find a way to make money instead of getting a cash from Soros or the local government.

We’re seeing a ring of certain folks traveling into LAX that are part of a ring of collecting PPP
Pay fraudulently. They bounce from city to city filing for benefits, getting checks and leaving to the next city. Auditors are about four days behind catching the fraud.
I doubt much repercussions will come in terms of follow up on the Fed level. Ridiculous

 

[t&y]

We’re seeing a ring of certain folks traveling into LAX that are part of a ring of collecting PPP
Pay fraudulently. They bounce from city to city filing for benefits, getting checks and leaving to the next city. Auditors are about four days behind catching the fraud.
I doubt much repercussions will come in terms of follow up on the Fed level. Ridiculous

Yup. I was actually surprised at some of the units on that investigation. Big time fraudulent activity. I wanna say Beverly Hills made a pretty significant bust a couple weeks ago. I'm sure there is more to come. I know your department has pulled backpacks of cash intended for all these social justice warriors, as has mine. Crazy world.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Another thought here.. As soon as the unemployment benefits run out, a ton of these "peaceful protestors" will have to actually find a way to make money instead of getting a cash from Soros or the local government.

You're right.

One of the distinct memories I have of the Rodney King Riots was that everything went into a holding pattern when the unemployment/welfare checks came out. Even the TV stations showed the streets calm, and the line around the block at the office where the checks were handed out. those of us working who were not from the city didn't get it, then one of the locals said, "they'll be back, they are getting paid".
He was right, they had to take the day off to get paid.
Then it was back to the business of rioting.
Crazy huh?
Can't imagine the media showing that these days. Of course the money gets direct deposited today, so you can continue to riot uninterrupted and your check will still get deposited. Wonders of modern technology.

LowRiver I heard the same is happening in the Sacramento /SF areas as well. It is about a 2 hour drive from the bay area to Sac, so not too much of a hardship.
Bastards.
Like ole' Maggie Thatcher said, Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money to hand out...when that day comes there will be hell to pay.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Yup. I was actually surprised at some of the units on that investigation. Big time fraudulent activity. I wanna say Beverly Hills made a pretty significant bust a couple weeks ago. I'm sure there is more to come. I know your department has pulled backpacks of cash intended for all these social justice warriors, as has mine. Crazy world.

Good Lord.
That is insane.
I gotta log off and go think of something else for awhile, BP is going up.

 

[Wedgy]

With all due, and much respect.

I get and can agree with almost everything you two LEOs are saying. No way to compare a 7-3:30 job, to what you two do. You guys are caught in a shit situation.

I am just in dismay as to what my Hometown has become. So glad my Kid graduated CSU Northridge and got the hell out of there

My sheriff neighbor bitches about the DA too. I get it. It sucks. But that don't make it right. Property crime, and Arson, are way beyond the "Broken windows" policy of NYPD.

Does insurance even cover a riot arson loss of Home or Business? IDK. But I will find out. If not, why even live, or do Biz there. Stay safe.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Sooo, what defines "A well regulated malitia..."?

If the lawless can continue to run the streets, meaning to do harm unto our shepherds, when do the law abiding form ranks? At what point does the society reach it's breaking point?

I grew up "middle class", blue colar, work for what you get. I loved the country the way it was, imperfections and all. Grew up and was taught not about race, but intelligence...think "content of their character". If you act stupid, expect to be treated accordingly.

I believe the numbers are 1/4 of 1% of the population work in Law Enforcement. Even if only 1% of the population acts violently towards them, they are vastly outnumbered. Training is an excellent tool, as is discipline, but overbearing can still be problematic. That, as well as targeting off duty individuals or their familys. Society asks them to toe a fine line. Law abiding citizens are asking them to hold the line...
I just hope those same citizens are willing to put it all on the line as well. It's not right to ask of others what you wouldn't do yourself. There is right, and there is wrong. Condoning violence towards law enforcement is wrong...even I know that, and I'm just some asshole in the boondocks.

 

[rmarion]

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[t&y]

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[LowRiver2]