Kaepernick refuses to stand up....

[Old Texan]

Colin Kaepernicks protest of the national anthem is about as peaceful as they come which is more than can be said about the reactions that soon followed.

White people: Black people should protest peacefully!
*Black person sits quietly during national anthem*
White people: No not like that.

Yes, some black athletes have rebuked Kaepernicks stance but the reactions to his peaceful act of protest from white fans range from hateful insults to public burnings of his jersey. It goes to show that no matter the act of protest black people pursue ― peaceful or violent ― white people often react with opposition and criticism over an issue that mostly impacts African Americans.

When a black voice is raised in protest to oppression, those who are comfortable with our oppression are the first to criticize us for daring to speak out against it.

Thank you Chilly for stepping forward and relieving any doubt this whole thing is a racial issue.:grumble:

You have missed the major point that CK has been attacked due to his disrespect for the Nation's Flag and it's supporting Anthem. Even the most negative attacks in large part have declared it his right as a US citizen to sit. They are just exercising their right to disagree with his choice of protest. They are unhappy that he chose to aim his disrespect at the symbol which should be held in the highest esteem of the principles of the nation and those who have given their all to defend his and all citizens rights. Though you cannot see it in this vein, those who protest his venue of protest, feel he could have easily used his status to choose a neutral forum delivering a clear and concise message of what it is he feels needs to be addressed.

But even worse then your view of the situation, is how your post indicates that white people do not have the right to protest. In other words they do not have the right to disagree. And the sentence that really disappoints me, is the insinuation white people are comfortable with black oppression. That's pretty damned lame and quite insulting. You've shown your true feelings once again by posting a statement that points towards black oppression being the fault of the white portion of society.

Maybe if black athletes, entertainers, and just plain folks like those in the BLM movement, stopped and thought out how they could bring changes from within their own self segregated community situations, change would start from within. Sorry Chill, all I see once again is the denial of personal responsibility. I am white and can't walk in a black man's shoes. I can't explain my sympathies or offer an, "I'm sorry" for past societal transgressions because I will be rebuked by blacks such as you who hold my skin color against me and tell me my feelings do not matter.

Only black people can understand the issue because they are black. White disqualifies me and all whites from being able to truly understand. Yet it's my fault and thus I cannot win anyway possible being white. I can only be held accountable for it all and battle the impossible mission of making the whole of history right in the minds of what I perceive of very narrow minded people like yourself. Do you see the conundrum here? The hypocrisy? The resentment and hate?

I'd rethink your post if I was you and try to realize the whole of the issues from a distance. I have never had a racial social issue with a black person, yet I'm being included into a view that holds me as someone that supports black oppression. There is a vastness of middle ground you need to realize and find yourself a path towards. If you choose to not realize this simple fact, you will remain far more the issue than the cure.

 

[was thatguy]

Colin Kaepernicks protest of the national anthem is about as peaceful as they come which is more than can be said about the reactions that soon followed.

White people: Black people should protest peacefully!
*Black person sits quietly during national anthem*
White people: No not like that.

Yes, some black athletes have rebuked Kaepernicks stance but the reactions to his peaceful act of protest from white fans range from hateful insults to public burnings of his jersey. It goes to show that no matter the act of protest black people pursue ― peaceful or violent ― white people often react with opposition and criticism over an issue that mostly impacts African Americans.

When a black voice is raised in protest to oppression, those who are comfortable with our oppression are the first to criticize us for daring to speak out against it.

Sort of like the black dude in the WH that has suppressed me for 8 years, then attacks me as being racist when I protest?

Do you see the blatant racism in your above statements?
Chill, I get that you are on a mission, for whatever reasons you have.
But the TRUTH is that for me and many like me...of whatever skin color...are offended by ANYONE that disrespects the flag and anthem for their own crusade.
I don't give a fuck WHAT color they are, or what their crusade is about.

Lets keep that straight.

 

[Bobby V]

Are they wearing the jerseys or burning them? Didn't Tebow jersey sales go through the roof for a bit? I agree that his message resonates with a percentage of the population, however it is the NFL, a league supported and enabled to thrive by American government.

Why would anybody buy a official NFL jersey to burn it. That kinda defeats the purpose. NFL gets paid. Kap gets paid. Idiot fan looses $$ with a burnt shirt. I seen a lot of people wearing Kap jerseys last night.

 

[pronstar]

I would disagree with that statement.. Where are the numbers and polls coming from on that?

I don't have an official poll, just anecdotal evidence.
But you don't have an official poll, either.

I work in a very liberal industry.
My social media feed is overwhelmingly pro-Kap and/or "pro-Kap's right to protest a very real injustice" as are a significant number of my 500+ co-workers, based on the office chatter I've heard.

If you watched the game, you'd have seen quite a few #7 Jerseys in the stands.
And I doubt significant numbers of people are buying $100 Kap jerseys, only to destroy them.

Just google "colin kaepernick support" and you'll get lots and lots of insight into opposing positions.
These are divisive issues, it's not "America vs Colin Kaepernick and a handfull of his supporters"

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Why would anybody buy a official NFL jersey to burn it. That kinda defeats the purpose. NFL gets paid. Kap gets paid. Idiot fan looses $$ with a burnt shirt. I seen a lot of people wearing Kap jerseys last night.

http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/b...r-lounge-goes-viral-with-response-9218161.php

Doesn't not acknowledging the flag/National Anthem when you play for the National Football League kinda defeat the purpose as well?

But again, I do not buy or wear jerseys. I am sure the vast majority of people are buying them to wear them. It gives you a bit more insight into the mind of the sports fanatic

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don't have an official poll, just anecdotal evidence.
But you don't have an official poll, either.

I work in a very liberal industry.
My social media feed is overwhelmingly pro-Kap and/or "pro-Kap's right to protest a very real injustice" as are a significant number of my 500+ co-workers, based on the office chatter I've heard.

If you watched the game, you'd have seen quite a few #7 Jerseys in the stands.
And I doubt significant numbers of people are buying $100 Kap jerseys, only to destroy them.

Just google "colin kaepernick support" and you'll get lots and lots of insight into opposing positions.
These are divisive issues, it's not "America vs Colin Kaepernick and a handfull of his supporters"

Of course he has support and detractors. If you search for supporters you'll find them. If you search for detractors, you'll find just as many. Everyone's evidence is just anecdotal on this one.

 

[was thatguy]

http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/b...r-lounge-goes-viral-with-response-9218161.php

Doesn't not acknowledging the flag/National Anthem when you play for the National Football League kinda defeat the purpose as well?

But again, I do not buy or wear jerseys. I am sure the vast majority of people are buying them to wear them. It gives you a bit more insight into the mind of the sports fanatic

And to the deterioration of the respect held by our populace concerning our unique Nation.

 

[pronstar]

Of course he has support and detractors. If you search for supporters you'll find them. If you search for detractors, you'll find just as many. Everyone's evidence is just anecdotal on this one.

I know that and you know that.
But I was responding to mbrown2, above, where he questioned my statement that Kap had supporters.

 

[t&y]

I don't have an official poll, just anecdotal evidence.
But you don't have an official poll, either.

I work in a very liberal industry.
My social media feed is overwhelmingly pro-Kap and/or "pro-Kap's right to protest a very real injustice" as are a significant number of my 500+ co-workers, based on the office chatter I've heard.

If you watched the game, you'd have seen quite a few #7 Jerseys in the stands.
And I doubt significant numbers of people are buying $100 Kap jerseys, only to destroy them.

Just google "colin kaepernick support" and you'll get lots and lots of insight into opposing positions.
These are divisive issues, it's not "America vs Colin Kaepernick and a handfull of his supporters"

Interesting. So would you say those that support Kapedick are anti white? I ask because apparently those that apose him are automatically anti black.:grumble:

 

[t&y]

Colin Kaepernicks protest of the national anthem is about as peaceful as they come which is more than can be said about the reactions that soon followed.

White people: Black people should protest peacefully!
*Black person sits quietly during national anthem*
White people: No not like that.

Yes, some black athletes have rebuked Kaepernicks stance but the reactions to his peaceful act of protest from white fans range from hateful insults to public burnings of his jersey. It goes to show that no matter the act of protest black people pursue ― peaceful or violent ― white people often react with opposition and criticism over an issue that mostly impacts African Americans.

When a black voice is raised in protest to oppression, those who are comfortable with our oppression are the first to criticize us for daring to speak out against it.

Wow.. what an idiot you are:thumbsup

But just for fun... all the black people that I know that disagree with Kaperdick... in your expert opinion are they just a bunch of racists too?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This story from a few weeks ago seems like a balanced one.

http://www.birminghamtimes.com/2016...rnick-sits-during-national-anthem-in-protest/

A quote from him in this article illustrating my point:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,? he said. ?To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.? He also expressed knowledge that his decision could cost him financially. ?This is not something that I am going to run by anybody. I am not looking for approval. I have to stand up for people that are oppressed,? he said. ?If they take football away, my endorsements from me, I know that I stood up for what is right.? Kaepernick has since stated that he will continue to sit during the national anthem."

So you wont show pride for a flag that oppresses people, but you'll play in their National Football League. He has the absolute right to protest, but he is protesting the flag that allows him to protest.

 

[2CHILL]

I served his country and I have no problem standing for the national anthem. Having said that, 25 pages of protest about a flag, on a forum with zero outrage when countless unarmed black PEOPLE are murdered by police (sentenced to death for selling cigarettes and CDs). yeah I'm the racist. As you were?

 

[t&y]

I served his country and I have no problem standing for the national anthem. Having said that, 25 pages of protest about a flag, on a forum with zero outrage when countless unarmed black PEOPLE are murdered by police (sentenced to death for selling cigarettes and CDs). yeah I'm the racist. As you were?

As who was? Your skin color and past military doesn't mean shit to me in regards to this subject buddy. You view everything with biased glasses on. It bleeds through pretty much all of your posts. So I'll ask again: are the black people that I know and work with that think Kaperdick is an idiot and don't agree with his protest racist? Just as you seem to single out and label white people?

 

[overdue]

I served his country and I have no problem standing for the national anthem. Having said that, 25 pages of protest about a flag, on a forum with zero outrage when countless unarmed black PEOPLE are murdered by police (sentenced to death for selling cigarettes and CDs). yeah I'm the racist. As you were?

92 people killed in Chicago during the worst month for homicides in the Windy City since July 1993 ,By Sept. 8, nearly 3,000 people had been shot in Chicago in 2016, an average of one shooting victim every two hours. Five hundred and sixteen people had been murdered. Gun homicides and non-fatal shootings were up 47% over the same period of 2015, which had seen a significant rise in crime over 2014.


wow the cops are going to run out of bullets

 

[n2otoofast4u]

I served his country and I have no problem standing for the national anthem. Having said that, 25 pages of protest about a flag, on a forum with zero outrage when countless unarmed black PEOPLE are murdered by police (sentenced to death for selling cigarettes and CDs). yeah I'm the racist. As you were?

You're correct. Those pesky police are just out there blasting the unarmed, non criminal blacks just because......FFS...... Go cast your vote for Hillary and stand in line awaiting your better country.....UNREAL!

 

[MSum661]

All I know is this season is going to suck now. :thumbsdown
Started with one misguided fool and is now spreading to other Teams. Bastards.

 

[getreal]

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[overdue]

...

I DONT BUY IT , YOU TELLING ME ALL THE REPORTERS ARE JUST STANDING THERE AND WRITING AND NONE ARE COVERING THERE HEARTS .......... NICE TRY ,

 

[AzGeo]

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Those LIBERALS don't recognize the Flag of the USA . Hope they find a better one in the unemployment line .............

 

[getreal]

...

 

[jpf091959]

he has faded away to nothing. I hope he gets cut.

Go SeaHawks, Unified.

 

[Ibeplumbing]

LOL

 

[RogerThat99]

I served his country and I have no problem standing for the national anthem. Having said that, 25 pages of protest about a flag, on a forum with zero outrage when countless unarmed black PEOPLE are murdered by police (sentenced to death for selling cigarettes and CDs). yeah I'm the racist. As you were?

I don't mind him protesting, but I strongly disagree with his method. You shouldn't disrespect the flag and the country.

I, like you and everyone else i know, don't want to see unarmed, innocent people killed by law enforcement. I think most of our country feels that way.

You referenced selling cigarettes (Eric Garner) so I will ask a question: Do you know that the commanding officer on the scene of the Eric Garner choking death had charges filed against them? Did you also know that the commanding officer is African American? (Serious question as this isn't discussed much in the media)

I reallly don't care what someones race is. If they are cool, I enjoy hanging out woth them. If they are a dickbag, I dont enjoy hanging out with them. And I would help anyone in need, no matter what their race is. This would include intervening if some racist POS was messing with a person of color. But if someone anti-american, I won't like them and have no place for them in my life.

I bet you and I would agree on much more than we would disagree on.

 

[mbrown2]

I know that and you know that.
But I was responding to mbrown2, above, where he questioned my statement that Kap had supporters.

I don't question that he has supporters but when you said it a large portion of the population, I doubted that as I don't see anything that backs that up. They kept showing one guy with a fake afro and a 7 jersey. I did not see large numbers, I heard lots of boos. A large portion of the US population is 30/40% but ESPN says less than 50% of US watch football. My guess would be 2-5% of that population may agree with him based on the thrashing I see on Social Media....Don't see many supporter memes..

I would just like to get back to football and not BS...but I guess I can give up that sport too since it is becoming a over politicized show and less about the game. carry on...

 

[Tank]

I served his country and I have no problem standing for the national anthem. Having said that, 25 pages of protest about a flag, on a forum with zero outrage when countless unarmed black PEOPLE are murdered by police (sentenced to death for selling cigarettes and CDs). yeah I'm the racist. As you were?

I just want to know. It's ok to fight with the cops when they're in the commission of their duties. What were they supposed to do, walk away? "That guys going to fight, we should just let him go".

Eric garner detained for selling cigarettes and CDs illegally. Fought with cops.

Michael brown detained for suspicion of robbery (which he did) fought with the cop.

Alton sterling, detained for suspicion of possessing a firearm (which he was) Fights with cops.


Just wondering when kaperdick is gonna go into highschools in inner cities and talk to kids about having respect for authority, elders, teachers, each other etc.? How about we start with some personal responsibility?!

Seriously impressed by Sherman. Dude gets it. Grew up in Compton and lived it unlike kaperdick who was raised privileged. Sherman preaches it's time for everyone to take personal responsibility before blaming everyone else. Doesn't group people together and realizes there's bad and things can be improved in every walk of life but shits being done wrong. Smart dude right there. See's the big picture.

 

[JRS1939]

https://www.yahoo.com/music/kid-rock-says-f-k-171158481.html



Kid Rock say fuk Colin Kapernick during Boston concert !

 

[HAVASUSUN]

92 people killed in Chicago during the worst month for homicides in the Windy City since July 1993 ,By Sept. 8, nearly 3,000 people had been shot in Chicago in 2016, an average of one shooting victim every two hours. Five hundred and sixteen people had been murdered. Gun homicides and non-fatal shootings were up 47% over the same period of 2015, which had seen a significant rise in crime over 2014.


wow the cops are going to run out of bullets

Obviously this is a polarizing situation. I have to agree with the above post. As a society we have become puppets of the media. What is a bigger issue in American (regardless of race), the isolated cases of our police making possible bad decisions or the gun violence that is plaguing many of our cities!?! The innocent residents of Chicago that have been killed, including numerous children, is disgusting. It is a tragedy and in my mind a much bigger issue. Where is the outrage about what is going on in Chicago (and other cities) within he black community? Krapernick and others come off as puppets to me that are being manipulated by and instigated by the media.

Second, does factual data actually support Krapernicks agenda? I agree that there have been some situations where the police officers in question used bad judgement. They should be held accountable for their actions. But based on the scale of police interaction with the public, how often does something like his happen? How often does it involve a non black suspect? Last year, here in AZ, local police had a shootout in a Walmart parking lot killing 2 brothers when they got unruly and did not comply to police direction. It appears they thought hey we're above the law and did not want to be questioned by the popo. Things escalated and people lost their lives. Did this even make the regional news? Now ask yourself, if they were black, would this story made the national news? Would there have been protests?

Where the shootings justified? This is a question the public is not qualified to answer. By he way the news media is not qualified to answer that one either even though they try to! If a cop pulls over a suspect, and the suspect, black or white or brown, complies with the requests of the officer and does not escalate the situation, do you think the chance of a negative outcome is increased or decreased? I hope you see that in many of the cases that have made the national news that if the suspect had handled the situation better the outcome would have been very different. Based on that knowledge, is the black community encouraging and promoting education on how to interact with law enforcement?

Finally, I have to add that my disgust with Krapernick has nothing to do with his "cause". I am pissed that he is disrespecting something that is sacred to me.

 

[Old Texan]

Is Charles Barkley "black enough" to make comments on the black community? Charles has spoken out many times about personal responsibility. He hasn't done it on the BB Court, he's used his celebrity attention to speak out in a respectful forum. He does not speak out to gain personal attention, he speaks out as man. A man of confidence who lives a colorless life. The color of his skin isn't a factor except for being the color of his skin. He is a man who understands life and the shortcomings in society that keep issues festering. He does not hide behind his color and use it as an excuse to point blame away from the actual issue.

Charles Barkley is an intelligent and successful man, both in a sport and after retirement. He's had rough spots and made some mistakes along the way. But he's blamed no one and taken responsibility. Charles is a man who just happens to be black. He speaks on race as a social issue, not a personal issue. His view in my opinion and his opinion, is the correct view that should be followed by everyone.

My opinion isn't accepted by those like Chilly who contend since I am white, I can never relate to black issues. Therefore I will support the statements of "men" like Charles Barkley who remove the racial cloud cover and speak to the issues and call for personal responsibility. Charles and I would get along fine as we both know who we are and the color of our skin can be used as a joke, not a weapon of hate. Neither of us are politically correct nor care to be. We live in a neutral world of color. We are what in my opinion is the spirit of America. A nation of people with "cosmetic" differences who are all equal at the base level. Our actions and attitudes from that base point, are our individual responsibilities going forward.

Charles Barkley, a famous retired Basketball player, just commented on the recent police-involved shootings. And Barkley decided to call out ? not the cops ? the black community: ?We?ve got to do better.?

?The cops have made some mistakes; black people have made some mistakes,? Barkley said on ?The Dan Le Batard Show? Tuesday. ?We have to sit back and be honest with each other. The cops have made some mistakes, that don?t give us the right to riot and shoot cops.?

?We need the cops, especially in the black community. We as black people, we?ve got to do better,? said Barkley.

Barkley even went as far to say that ?there is some reason why there?s racial stereotypes,? because ?some black people are crooks?.

?Some of these black people out there are committing crimes,? Barkley said. ?Let?s don?t sit there and act like all our hands are clean.?

?We never get mad when black people kill each other, well that always has bothered me?,? Barkley added. ?I?ve always said we as black people, if you want respect, you?ve got to give each other respect. You can?t demand respect from white people and the cops if we don?t respect each other.?

 

[HAVASUSUN]

My post got me thinking about police shootings so I did a search to see if there were any stats out there on the subject:

As of July 9, whites were 54 percent of the 440 police shooting victims this year whose race was known, blacks were 28 percent and Hispanics were 18 percent.

Going back to my point about being puppets of the news media and political agendas.... I have to say that I have never once heard the media give a fair and balanced perspective of the actual percentages. It does not appear any one race is being targeted based on this data

 

[HAVASUSUN]

Is Charles Barkley "black enough" to make comments on the black community? Charles has spoken out many times about personal responsibility. He hasn't done it on the BB Court, he's used his celebrity attention to speak out in a respectful forum. He does not speak out to gain personal attention, he speaks out as man. A man of confidence who lives a colorless life. The color of his skin isn't a factor except for being the color of his skin. He is a man who understands life and the shortcomings in society that keep issues festering. He does not hide behind his color and use it as an excuse to point blame away from the actual issue.

Charles Barkley is an intelligent and successful man, both in a sport and after retirement. He's had rough spots and made some mistakes along the way. But he's blamed no one and taken responsibility. Charles is a man who just happens to be black. He speaks on race as a social issue, not a personal issue. His view in my opinion and his opinion, is the correct view that should be followed by everyone.

My opinion isn't accepted by those like Chilly who contend since I am white, I can never relate to black issues. Therefore I will support the statements of "men" like Charles Barkley who remove the racial cloud cover and speak to the issues and call for personal responsibility. Charles and I would get along fine as we both know who we are and the color of our skin can be used as a joke, not a weapon of hate. Neither of us are politically correct nor care to be. We live in a neutral world of color. We are what in my opinion is the spirit of America. A nation of people with "cosmetic" differences who are all equal at the base level. Our actions and attitudes from that base point, are our individual responsibilities going forward.

To OT's/Charles Barkley's point:

In America?s 75 largest counties, comprising most of the nation?s population, blacks constituted 62 percent of all robbery defendants in 2009, 57 percent of all murder defendants, and 45 percent of all assault defendants ? but roughly 15 percent of the population in those counties. In New York, where blacks make up 23 percent of the city?s population, blacks commit three-quarters of all shootings and 70 percent of all robberies, according to victims and witnesses. (Whites, by contrast, commit less than 2 percent of all shootings in New York City and 4 percent of all robberies, though they are nearly 34 percent of the population.)

 

[t&y]

My post got me thinking about police shootings so I did a search to see if there were any stats out there on the subject:

As of July 9, whites were 54 percent of the 440 police shooting victims this year whose race was known, blacks were 28 percent and Hispanics were 18 percent.

Going back to my point about being puppets of the news media and political agendas.... I have to say that I have never once heard the media give a fair and balanced perspective of the actual percentages. It does not appear any one race is being targeted based on this data

Yup, been that way for years. I won't stop brain surgeons like 2Chill from jumping to conclusions though. He has an agenda to push regardless of fact. Typical blame everything on someone else mentality.

 

[was thatguy]

To OT's/Charles Barkley's point:

In America?s 75 largest counties, comprising most of the nation?s population, blacks constituted 62 percent of all robbery defendants in 2009, 57 percent of all murder defendants, and 45 percent of all assault defendants ? but roughly 15 percent of the population in those counties. In New York, where blacks make up 23 percent of the city?s population, blacks commit three-quarters of all shootings and 70 percent of all robberies, according to victims and witnesses. (Whites, by contrast, commit less than 2 percent of all shootings in New York City and 4 percent of all robberies, though they are nearly 34 percent of the population.)

Chilly will be along to point out that the stats are what they are because blacks are targeted (profiled) for detainment, arrest, and especially unfair prosecution by a racist judicial system.
If that doesn't work, he will divert to the oppressive white society that prevents blacks from success.
By contrast, if I did ANYTHING in the way of a protest for whites, I would be labeled a supremacist by whites and blacks.

A far simpler yardstick is to flip through some daytime TV.
Go to "paternity court". I'm sure there must be some one on there on some episode that is white...but I've never seen it.
Try a few "48 hour" episodes...I watch it a lot and my guess is 90% blacks as suspects...mostly for killing other blacks.

Barkley is right. Look in the fucking mirror.
Blaming ME because I'm white and "don't get it" is ridiculous...and frankly getting very tiring.

Fredrick Wilson should be a candidate in my book...

[video=youtube_https;VT2v64Ykxc0]https://youtu.be/VT2v64Ykxc0[/video]

 

[Old Texan]

Obviously this is a polarizing situation. I have to agree with the above post. As a society we have become puppets of the media. What is a bigger issue in American (regardless of race), the isolated cases of our police making possible bad decisions or the gun violence that is plaguing many of our cities!?! The innocent residents of Chicago that have been killed, including numerous children, is disgusting. It is a tragedy and in my mind a much bigger issue. Where is the outrage about what is going on in Chicago (and other cities) within he black community? Krapernick and others come off as puppets to me that are being manipulated by and instigated by the media.

Second, does factual data actually support Krapernicks agenda? I agree that there have been some situations where the police officers in question used bad judgement. They should be held accountable for their actions. But based on the scale of police interaction with the public, how often does something like his happen? How often does it involve a non black suspect? Last year, here in AZ, local police had a shootout in a Walmart parking lot killing 2 brothers when they got unruly and did not comply to police direction. It appears they thought hey we're above the law and did not want to be questioned by the popo. Things escalated and people lost their lives. Did this even make the regional news? Now ask yourself, if they were black, would this story made the national news? Would there have been protests?

Where the shootings justified? This is a question the public is not qualified to answer. By he way the news media is not qualified to answer that one either even though they try to! If a cop pulls over a suspect, and the suspect, black or white or brown, complies with the requests of the officer and does not escalate the situation, do you think the chance of a negative outcome is increased or decreased? I hope you see that in many of the cases that have made the national news that if the suspect had handled the situation better the outcome would have been very different. Based on that knowledge, is the black community encouraging and promoting education on how to interact with law enforcement?

Finally, I have to add that my disgust with Krapernick has nothing to do with his "cause". I am pissed that he is disrespecting something that is sacred to me.

Pretty well tells the story.

The media and too often community spokespersons dictate the tone and the thought process of the issue. The majority of every community is good people being trapped or held hostage to some degree by the bad element. The high majority of crime victims are members of these communities and their fates are just statistics. But if an incident happens involving LE and it escalates into a perp being injured or killed, the whole incident immediately is prejudged as LE abuse.

The whole Michael Brown incident was blown up from the second it went down. No amount of real facts being determined and presented could stop the negative momentum created towards the LE. The media as they are prone to do, fanned the flames and through gas on the fire by making Brown out tob an innocent "man child". Even showing pictures several years out of date to garner sympathy. No emphasis on real facts to him being a thug that had just stolen merchandise and assaulted a shop owner. No emphasis on him being he aggressor in the physical altercation that got his violent ass shot.

Outside agitators came in and destroyed a good deal of the community. Voices of reason within the community were pretty much ignored and the media focused on the loud and crazy portion of the crowd on the street.

The whole of the Chicago killing field s focuses on guns rather than the gangs who rule the streets. Where are folks like CK and the Revs at to address this senseless violence? Where is in depth, honest journalism?

All we get is the rest of the nation, whites in particular need to be held responsible in some way. Chilly posted in this thread white folks who take issue with a black athlete sitting in protest at a game, support oppression of blacks. Chill please explain this logic and how in the hell it ties together. (I ain't holding my breath on that reply ever being made.:rolleyes)

I have no issues with anyone of any race unless they commit a crime or threaten the welfare of others. Yet I am somehow responsible and should not be allowed to comment or have an opinion? :thumbsdown

 

[2CHILL]

Working a veteran event today in Pasadena, bringing awareness to veteran suicide. It's being held at the bridge commonly used for suicide. Even though I don't have a problem with Kaepernick, obviously I fully support our troops.

 

[boataholic]

The main issue I have is many shame Colin for not standing for the singing of the National Anthem. But if you look deeper into it the NFL does not truly care. The players have just started coming out for the the national anthem within the last 6-7 years. Even when I played College football we did not take the field until after the singing of the national anthem, we were still in players meeting throughout that time. The only reason the NFL has the players on the field is because of the Million of dollars they are paid by our government to show soladarity. Pre 2009 the players were never on the field for the National Anthem.

 

[Old Texan]

Working a veteran event today in Pasadena, bringing awareness to veteran suicide. It's being held at the bridge commonly used for suicide. Even though I don't have a problem with Kaepernick, obviously I fully support our troops.

Highly commendable Chill and a very serious issue.:thumbsup

Another issue not only with returning vets, but young Americans that is hard to figure out. The numbers are simply staggering.

 

[LuckyDaze]

Working a veteran event today in Pasadena, bringing awareness to veteran suicide. It's being held at the bridge commonly used for suicide. Even though I don't have a problem with Kaepernick, obviously I fully support our troops.

Glad to see Some folks stepping up to the plate to try and get some traction on vet suicide. I work as treasurer for a non profit up here that Helps vets catch a firm ground and provide a positive outlet.(fishing)

The more people talk about it, and work to help the better. Thank you

 

[BajaMike]

What is the NFL? They disappeared from my tv schedule......i will never let those over paid punks be on my TV...

 

[MSum661]

My post got me thinking about police shootings so I did a search to see if there were any stats out there on the subject:

As of July 9, whites were 54 percent of the 440 police shooting victims this year whose race was known, blacks were 28 percent and Hispanics were 18 percent.

Going back to my point about being puppets of the news media and political agendas.... I have to say that I have never once heard the media give a fair and balanced perspective of the actual percentages. It does not appear any one race is being targeted based on this data

Larry Elders, a Black Man, has been repeating this exact same thing, over and over again, for a while now.

 

[Bobby V]

Heard some discussion on the radio this morning on my drive to L.A. Does anybody stand, place their hands over their hearts, take off their hats during the NA when you are at home or a bar watching an event on TV. ? I have seen some people do this at my watering hole. But not very often. :hmm

 

[throttle]

Bottom line... It's about RESPECT!

Start showing some!!!

 

[t&y]

Working a veteran event today in Pasadena, bringing awareness to veteran suicide. It's being held at the bridge commonly used for suicide. Even though I don't have a problem with Kaepernick, obviously I fully support our troops.

Good for you. PTSD is something to take very serious. I work with many that served over seas and lost partners and speak with them regularly about it. Spent many a nights rolling around just listening and offered a shoulder if they need it. It's nothing to joke about. Neither is BS about blaming Police for a criminals choice to resist and put themselves in a bad situation potentially costing them their life:thumbsup

 

[t&y]

Heard some discussion on the radio this morning on my drive to L.A. Does anybody stand, place their hands over their hearts, take off their hats during the NA when you are at home or a bar watching an event on TV. ? I have seen some people do this at my watering hole. But not very often. :hmm

Live events where I'm present, every time. TV if is live yes, recorded not so much.

 

[was thatguy]

Heard some discussion on the radio this morning on my drive to L.A. Does anybody stand, place their hands over their hearts, take off their hats during the NA when you are at home or a bar watching an event on TV. ? I have seen some people do this at my watering hole. But not very often. :hmm

When I am present at the event, yes.

On TV, whether at home or in an establishment, I face the TV and do not talk or look away regardless of whats going on around me.
My Dad taught me that.

 

[HAVASUSUN]

Working a veteran event today in Pasadena, bringing awareness to veteran suicide. It's being held at the bridge commonly used for suicide. Even though I don't have a problem with Kaepernick, obviously I fully support our troops.

Thank you sir! Your service to our veterans is awesome.

 

[Old Texan]

Good for you. PTSD is something to take very serious. I work with many that served over seas and lost partners and speak with them regularly about it. Spent many a nights rolling around just listening and offered a shoulder if they need it. It's nothing to joke about. Neither is BS about blaming Police for a criminals choice to resist and put themselves in a bad situation potentially costing them their life:thumbsup

What the public in general do not get, is the effect personal confrontations have on people. LE is made up of human beings with normal feelings. Dealing with a violent person can be traumatizing and multiplied greatly when physical contact is involved. If LE has to use deadly force, this can be a mental issue they must deal with the rest of their lives.

I'm often scoffed at or chastised when I bring the mental issue of using a firearm to folks talking big about getting a carry permit. My opening statement is the first thing to consider is not finding a comfortable weapon, but to seriously consider what happens if and when one has to pull that weapon, aim, and discharge it at another human being. I'm a gun person and I realize how our rights are threatened by those who would take guns away. But I have huge concerns with many that buy guns to defend themselves and have never took proper time realize what they could be setting themselves up for if they have to pull that gun and shoot someone. Rights or not, we need to have a better way to convey the responsibility of what ownership involves.

LE is prepared for that moment of truth, but even so, they are entering virgin ground on the aftermath and how they will react mentally, short and long term. PTSD can be unpredictable and often lurks in the back of the mind undetected and misunderstood.

Not enough attention is brought up about what many of our public servants and military carry with them just from doing their duty. This lack of attention leads to good people making a horrible eternal solution to a solvable problem.

 

[t&y]

Spot on OT as usual:thumbsup

 

[530RL]

Interesting opinion by another NFL player. In SI this week.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/09/12/jared-odrick-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem

 

[mbrown2]

Interesting opinion by another NFL player. In SI this week.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/09/12/jared-odrick-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem

We all have the right to demonstrate...our constitution provides those rights. I have the right to buy, not buy, or write the executives of the products and services they endorse if I feel they support those that use methods that disrespect our country/anthem and take away from the sport. I will be boating in the pacific this Sunday and not watching football

 

[coolchange]

At last Fri football game the other team ( Dorsey) all took a knee during the anthem. Lol. High school kids. So our kids later in the game, on their own ,started singing the national anthem. By the way we kicked their asses. 😝