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Everyone in the spotlight has a gimmick, unfortunately most gimmicks fade away. A couple of years down the road, he'll be forgotten and (Superbowl) ringless.
 

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The Hypocrisy on this site is funny. The following pretty much nails it:


Kaepernick said When "I feel like that flag represents what it's supposed to represent, and this country is representing people the way it's supposed to, I'll stand," he said.
Outrage followed, with many scolding the quarterback for having the gall to criticize the goings on in a country that's allowed him to earn millions. How could this man criticize the oppression of others, the idea went, when he himself is doing so well?

Many Trump supporters say they like the candidate because of his willingness to state blunt truths about America and "tell it like it is," unburdened of the perceived niceties of "political correctness."

Peter Wade articulated as much for Esquire: "And let's not forget we have a presidential candidate whose campaign slogan is Make America Great Again. The key word in that phrase is 'again,' meaning that America right now is not great."

Indeed, Donald Trump's convention speech described America as falling apart, a nation devoid of jobs, brimming with illegal immigrants and rampant with crime. It was a bleak indictment of the nation.

Trump's speech drew many critics, but few said his wealth disqualified him from critiquing America's state



When you start with the insults, remember I proudly served this country, and have no problem standing for the national anthem...
First, thanks for serving.:thumbsup

Trump is running on the platform of making America Great Again. In doing so he's respecting the nation and it's symbolic Flag as being great now and at all times since the nation's inception. His mission is to restore greatness in areas and issues that have tarnished that ever existing greatness. The Flag is not the problem. The people and government members that have drifted away from the US Constitution and the nation's laws are what is at issue. The people that have disrespected the Flag itself and their fellow man are the issue.

Trump and others who feel the nation needs change back towards the Founding Fathers intentions are pursuing their quest with full respect for the USA's institutions such as the banner that represents American greatness and tradition. That tradition includes honoring those who have defended that flag, many of whom gave the ultimate sacrifice. In my opinion and that of millions, is disrespect towards the American Flag, is disrespect for the nation and those who served.

Kaepernick in my opinion is very immature and misguided in his right to protest. His very statements are general, confusing, and have no direct point. What does this following statement he used as an explanation mean?
Kaepernick said When "I feel like that flag represents what it's supposed to represent, and this country is representing people the way it's supposed to, I'll stand," he said.
He doesn't grasp that the Flag itself is not misrepresenting the nation or in any part a faction of the nation gone astray. Folks within the federal government and without are what he's concerned about. By disrespecting that flag and what it truly stands for makes Kaepernick part of the problem, not the solution. The Flag and National Anthem are to be respected by all true Americans at all times. They are above the fray and are the standards which must be met.

That Flag the tradition of the National Anthem represent the freedom he has to be a bonehead. The Flag is a pure symbol, not an issue he appears to believe it to be. CK has every right in the world to have his opinion and to show it off, but he is completely ignorant and misguided to disrespect the one symbol that stands strong above all others to secure the greatness of the USA. If he wants to change something, he must first define the exact issues he feels are wrong and need to be corrected.

If CK actually wants to be taken seriously, use some of that money freedom has allowed him to make, to buy air time or newspaper space and tell your story. Don't disrespect the very symbol that is pure and stands for what you want the nation to be "again".....
 

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CK is exercising his first amendment right, i'm fine with that, but the first ammendment doesn't make you immune from public criticism of your speech, your actions. He will now face the freedom the rest of the country has to call him a d-bag.

My bigger issue with CK, is he sits up on his soap box proclaiming how 'his people' are not being afforded liberty, justice, etc, and being oppressed, but he lives in a mansion in the hills, in a wealthy gated community surrounded and guarded by oppressors in S. San Jose. He's not living in downtown Oakland trying to be a part of that community, and actually working to make it better from the inside, addressing the problems within the community that lead to a lot of the symptoms he is protesting against in the first place.

He's free to speak his mind, but we're all free to call the guy a hypocrite as well....
 

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F' You again Kaepernick!! :finger:finger:finger:finger:finger:finger


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CK is exercising his first amendment right, i'm fine with that, but the first ammendment doesn't make you immune from public criticism of your speech, your actions. He will now face the freedom the rest of the country has to call him a d-bag.

My bigger issue with CK, is he sits up on his soap box proclaiming how 'his people' are not being afforded liberty, justice, etc, and being oppressed, but he lives in a mansion in the hills, in a wealthy gated community surrounded and guarded by oppressors in S. San Jose. He's not living in downtown Oakland trying to be a part of that community, and actually working to make it better from the inside, addressing the problems within the community that lead to a lot of the symptoms he is protesting against in the first place.

He's free to speak his mind, but we're all free to call the guy a hypocrite as well....

Amen..
 

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can we send him to cuba? I am sure they would love to repurpose his $ for the good of the people.
 

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If your IQ only has 2 digits, it's usually better to just say nothing at all;)
 

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don't like the way things are???? get up off your ass and do something about it...sitting on your ass and complaining has never accomplished any thing:thumbsup;)
 

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Now i hear rumors he might be traded to the vikings. 45 year fan of the vikings. this would be there lost straw with me. Fuck that scum bag. stay where you are. I would rather lose 16 games then have that POS.
 

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Now i hear rumors he might be traded to the vikings. 45 year fan of the vikings. this would be there lost straw with me. Fuck that scum bag. stay where you are. I would rather lose 16 games then have that POS.

So now you know how this 50 year EX-49er fan feels [emoji6]
 

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I would never go to a SF Giants at long as he is there......but I do not think he will be there long......Or anywhere else. Hi is done!
 

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CK is exercising his first amendment right, i'm fine with that, but the first ammendment doesn't make you immune from public criticism of your speech, your actions. He will now face the freedom the rest of the country has to call him a d-bag.

My bigger issue with CK, is he sits up on his soap box proclaiming how 'his people' are not being afforded liberty, justice, etc, and being oppressed, but he lives in a mansion in the hills, in a wealthy gated community surrounded and guarded by oppressors in S. San Jose. He's not living in downtown Oakland trying to be a part of that community, and actually working to make it better from the inside, addressing the problems within the community that lead to a lot of the symptoms he is protesting against in the first place.

He's free to speak his mind, but we're all free to call the guy a hypocrite as well....

I wonder what the response would have been if CK refused to stand for the National Anthem until all US military vets received the care they are due from the Veterans Administration.

I suspect he would have others with him as opposed to against him.

It seems to me the fundamental reason for the criticism is not due to his choice to exercise his constitutional rights and how he did it, it is that people disagree with what he is protesting.
 

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I wonder what the response would have been if CK refused to stand for the National Anthem until all US military vets received the care they are due from the Veterans Administration.

I suspect he would have others with him as opposed to against him.

It seems to me the fundamental reason for the criticism is not due to his choice to exercise his constitutional rights and how he did it, it is that people disagree with what he is protesting.

I don't believe those same neglected vets would refuse to stand themselves or support such a display, even on their behalf. I do however think that given that or not, you're correct in as much as if that were the case, at most he'd be admonished for his actions being inappropriate versus being un-American. So I get your point.

I've been wondering what if nobody, especially the press, had even acknowledged his action of protest ? As it turns out, he got exactly what he was striving for, mass attention. :grumble:
 

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I wonder what the response would have been if CK refused to stand for the National Anthem until all US military vets received the care they are due from the Veterans Administration.

I suspect he would have others with him as opposed to against him.

It seems to me the fundamental reason for the criticism is not due to his choice to exercise his constitutional rights and how he did it, it is that people disagree with what he is protesting.

I think people would agree with him because his reasons for the protest would not be based off of utter bullshit like they are now:thumbsup
 

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I don't believe those same neglected vets would refuse to stand themselves or support such a display, even on their behalf. I do however think that given that or not, you're correct in as much as if that were the case, at most he'd be admonished for his actions being inappropriate versus being un-American. So I get your point.

I've been wondering what if nobody, especially the press, had even acknowledged his action of protest ? As it turns out, he got exactly what he was striving for, mass attention. :grumble:

I agree. What it also did was clearly demonstrate to the masses what an idiot he really his while speaking at his press conferences on the matter.
 

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I wonder what the response would have been if CK refused to stand for the National Anthem until all US military vets received the care they are due from the Veterans Administration.

I suspect he would have others with him as opposed to against him.


It seems to me the fundamental reason for the criticism is not due to his choice to exercise his constitutional rights and how he did it, it is that people disagree with what he is protesting.

Not if it involved a racist movement attacking the police, rioting, burning down businesses, assaulting white people and blocking freeways.
 

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Looks like the entire Seahawks team might do the same

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/entire-nfl-team-considering-protest?fb=ptba

What started as a one-man protest is turning into a revolution within the NFL as the entire Seattle Seahawks team is reportedly considering following San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick's lead and sitting out the national anthem.

Kaepernick has become a viral sensation after sitting out the national anthem as a form of protest against police brutality.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," he said to NFL Media, ABC News reports.

Kaepernick received both approval and vitriol from the nation. While some say that his actions are un-American and disrespectful to our veterans, others are defending his right to protest. Even President Barack Obama has expressed a degree of approval, saying the quarterback is "exercising his constitutional right" and that he is protesting "some real, legitimate issues that have to be talked about," ESPN reports.

Since the start of Kaepernick's protests, two other NFL players have joined, Dead Spin reports: teammate Eric Reid and Seahawks cornerback Jeremy Lane. Lane himself may soon have the support of the rest of the Seahawks team.

Receiver Doug Baldwin has said that he wants to join Lane in sitting out the anthem during the next game. However, he said, “[I would like] to make sure I get all of my ducks in a row before I do so.”

Some believe the statement indicates he hopes to have the support of the entire Seahawks team. Indeed, Baldwin confirms that having a team-wide protest has been discussed in the locker room. Additionally, linebacker Bobby Wagner has agreed with Baldwin, saying that these protests should not be an individual effort.

“Anything we want to do, it’s not going to be individual. It’s going to be a team thing. That’s what the world needs to see. The world needs to see people coming together versus being individuals,” Wagner said, according to Dead Spin.

The Seahawks are set to play the Miami Dolphins on Sunday, the 15th anniversary of the September 11th attacks.

Wagner has yet to say what the team is planning for the game, but has said, “Whatever we decide to do will be a big surprise.”
 

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Looks like the entire Seahawks team might do the same

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/entire-nfl-team-considering-protest?fb=ptba

What started as a one-man protest is turning into a revolution within the NFL as the entire Seattle Seahawks team is reportedly considering following San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick's lead and sitting out the national anthem.

Kaepernick has become a viral sensation after sitting out the national anthem as a form of protest against police brutality.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," he said to NFL Media, ABC News reports.

Kaepernick received both approval and vitriol from the nation. While some say that his actions are un-American and disrespectful to our veterans, others are defending his right to protest. Even President Barack Obama has expressed a degree of approval, saying the quarterback is "exercising his constitutional right" and that he is protesting "some real, legitimate issues that have to be talked about," ESPN reports.

Since the start of Kaepernick's protests, two other NFL players have joined, Dead Spin reports: teammate Eric Reid and Seahawks cornerback Jeremy Lane. Lane himself may soon have the support of the rest of the Seahawks team.

Receiver Doug Baldwin has said that he wants to join Lane in sitting out the anthem during the next game. However, he said, ?[I would like] to make sure I get all of my ducks in a row before I do so.?

Some believe the statement indicates he hopes to have the support of the entire Seahawks team. Indeed, Baldwin confirms that having a team-wide protest has been discussed in the locker room. Additionally, linebacker Bobby Wagner has agreed with Baldwin, saying that these protests should not be an individual effort.

?Anything we want to do, it?s not going to be individual. It?s going to be a team thing. That?s what the world needs to see. The world needs to see people coming together versus being individuals,? Wagner said, according to Dead Spin.

The Seahawks are set to play the Miami Dolphins on Sunday, the 15th anniversary of the September 11th attacks.

Wagner has yet to say what the team is planning for the game, but has said, ?Whatever we decide to do will be a big surprise.?

Welp, looks like I won't be watching football anymore, NFL and those idiots they pay millions to can suck a dick if they don't want to salute Ole Glory. I'll be damned if I will support any organization that behaves that way...they are fucking entertainment, not

politicians.:thumbsdown:finger

Stupid fucks really think there is oppression? Sure there is ...they are creating it.
 

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I think to sit on Sept. 11 will be a far GREATER display of disrespect towards more than the Flag and National anthem........I'll forget CK and this band of protesting discontents soon enough. I will never forget the tragic events of September 11, 2001.

Hopefully they take the history of that day and the great loss of life into account before doing something that overshadows the memory. Not sitting would go way farther than making matters more divided.
 

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I'm still lost at the connection here... I'm mad at the police overall so I now disrespect my countries anthem?

Here are some similar situations I have created:

1) I think gun rights are being taken away in this country... sit during the national anthem
2) I think Barack Obama is a bad president... so I will burn the flag
3) I think that the government is trying to shut down the river... sit during the national anthem and burn the flag
4) I think the CA gas tax is way too high... burn the CA flag

I believe these are similar reactions but they also make no sense to me. I just can't comprehend how this helps it. Random publicity where you mention your movement? It's like slapping the president with your company t-shirt on just to get your name out there.

Instead of just wanting publicity because your football career is dying, why don't you do something productive for your movement? Donate money? Go to events? Meet with those in the community? Meet with police officers?
 

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I find it sad and humorous at the same time that this piece of shit doesn't realize that the national anthem was written while the country was revolting from oppression from the English. The whole anthem represents what he supposedly believes in. Equality and fairness.

But he's to fuckin stupid to figure that out.

And just think if he actually took time and dedicated himself to his cause instead of making a publicity stunt. What if he actually went to local inner city schools and lectured on how to commit to your dreams (as he most likely did) and how to treat others (including teachers, law enforcement, bosses, elders etc) with respect. Think about how powerful that would be and how much of an impression as an NFL quarterback he could make on youth. Now we'd be talking about tangible REAL change and progress.

Or if he's going to group all cops together and hate police in general (again, displaying the same bigotry he supposedly despises so much), maybe he should go on a couple ride alongs with Oakland PD and educate himself first hand on "police brutality".

I have zero respect for people that just sit back and complain but do zero to fix things.

He's a coward and only goes to make the situation worse, not better.

I'll step off my box now.
 

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Looks like the entire Seahawks team might do the same

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/entire-nfl-team-considering-protest?fb=ptba

What started as a one-man protest is turning into a revolution within the NFL as the entire Seattle Seahawks team is reportedly considering following San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick's lead and sitting out the national anthem.

Kaepernick has become a viral sensation after sitting out the national anthem as a form of protest against police brutality.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," he said to NFL Media, ABC News reports.

Kaepernick received both approval and vitriol from the nation. While some say that his actions are un-American and disrespectful to our veterans, others are defending his right to protest. Even President Barack Obama has expressed a degree of approval, saying the quarterback is "exercising his constitutional right" and that he is protesting "some real, legitimate issues that have to be talked about," ESPN reports.

Since the start of Kaepernick's protests, two other NFL players have joined, Dead Spin reports: teammate Eric Reid and Seahawks cornerback Jeremy Lane. Lane himself may soon have the support of the rest of the Seahawks team.

Receiver Doug Baldwin has said that he wants to join Lane in sitting out the anthem during the next game. However, he said, ?[I would like] to make sure I get all of my ducks in a row before I do so.?

Some believe the statement indicates he hopes to have the support of the entire Seahawks team. Indeed, Baldwin confirms that having a team-wide protest has been discussed in the locker room. Additionally, linebacker Bobby Wagner has agreed with Baldwin, saying that these protests should not be an individual effort.

?Anything we want to do, it?s not going to be individual. It?s going to be a team thing. That?s what the world needs to see. The world needs to see people coming together versus being individuals,? Wagner said, according to Dead Spin.

The Seahawks are set to play the Miami Dolphins on Sunday, the 15th anniversary of the September 11th attacks.

Wagner has yet to say what the team is planning for the game, but has said, ?Whatever we decide to do will be a big surprise.?

whatever we decide to do it will be a big surprise? The only surprise is going to be the giant walk out of fans before the game starts.. I know I would leave.

Do these dip shits forget what the N in NFL stands for? lol.
 

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Welp, looks like I won't be watching football anymore, NFL and those idiots they pay millions to can suck a dick if they don't want to salute Ole Glory. I'll be damned if I will support any organization that behaves that way...they are fucking entertainment, not

politicians.:thumbsdown:finger

Stupid fucks really think there is oppression? Sure there is ...they are creating it.


Sticking with College Ball on Saturday's unless they start that same crap.
 

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Welp, looks like I won't be watching football anymore, NFL and those idiots they pay millions to can suck a dick if they don't want to salute Ole Glory. I'll be damned if I will support any organization that behaves that way...they are fucking entertainment, not

politicians.:thumbsdown:finger

Stupid fucks really think there is oppression? Sure there is ...they are creating it.

That's the best way to protest these shenanigans.
 

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whatever we decide to do it will be a big surprise? The only surprise is going to be the giant walk out of fans before the game starts.. I know I would leave.

Do these dip shits forget what the N in NFL stands for? lol.

What sucks with all this is the Players sort of have the Fans by the balls by coming out this late in the week with this news.

The Seattle Seahawks rank as the second most expensive single game ticket at $337 per resale.
I can't imagine any hard working Fans, their families or other Bro's walking away and eating that kind of Dough.
 

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What sucks with all this is the Players sort of have the Fans by the balls by coming out this late in the week with this news.

The Seattle Seahawks rank as the second most expensive single game ticket at $337 per resale.
I can't imagine any hard working Fans, their families or other Bro's walking away and eating that kind of Dough.

I'm not a sports fan historically.. But I can tell you if I bought tickets to anything and the people I went there to see did that, I'd roll and wouldn't think twice
 

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if they pull that shit on 9/11 I will be writing letters to every single one of that teams sponsors, the head of the nfl and their team.


I will never watch pro ball again.
 

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I find it sad and humorous at the same time that this piece of shit doesn't realize that the national anthem was written while the country was revolting from oppression from the English. The whole anthem represents what he supposedly believes in. Equality and fairness.

But he's to fuckin stupid to figure that out.

And just think if he actually took time and dedicated himself to his cause instead of making a publicity stunt. What if he actually went to local inner city schools and lectured on how to commit to your dreams (as he most likely did) and how to treat others (including teachers, law enforcement, bosses, elders etc) with respect. Think about how powerful that would be and how much of an impression as an NFL quarterback he could make on youth. Now we'd be talking about tangible REAL change and progress.

Or if he's going to group all cops together and hate police in general (again, displaying the same bigotry he supposedly despises so much), maybe he should go on a couple ride alongs with Oakland PD and educate himself first hand on "police brutality".

I have zero respect for people that just sit back and complain but do zero to fix things.

He's a coward and only goes to make the situation worse, not better.

I'll step off my box now.

Pat Tillman was a real hero. He handed back the paycheck and went to war for his nation. Kaepernick would never understand Pat Tillman and likely hasn't a clue of how real men take on convictions to an inner calling.

If all these athletes want to make a real difference in one of the hotbeds for black issues, they'd gather a group of their peers and march the streets of south Chicago on a Friday night. Asking their brothers to put down their weapons and stop the gang warfare. That is what real men do, they take the issue head on and put their mouth and ass in places their money buys them escape from.
 

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Looks like the Seashawks have changed their mind


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...em-protest-colin-kaepernick-flag-unity-090816




It looks like the Seattle Seahawks will be following the lead of Russell Wilson, not Colin Kaepernick, on Sunday.

A day after Doug Baldwin and Cliff Avril told reporters they were considering joining the national anthem protest before the Seahawks' season opener, Baldwin on Thursday tweeted that "our team will honor the country and flag in a pregame demonstration of unity."


When approached in the locker room by reporters, Baldwin declined to elaborate further, saying "you'll see on Sunday."

The announcement echoed an earlier statement from teammate Bobby Wagner, who said "Anything that we want to do, it's not going to be individual. It's going to be a team thing because that's what the world needs to see. The world needs to see people coming together versus being individuals."

Wilson, the Seahawks' star QB, previously said that while he understands Kaepernick's intentions, "For me, I love the flag."

"I understand what he's doing. But at the same time for me, I can also think about where we need to go and where our thoughts need to be," Wilson said last month. "It needs to be about love, about caring about one another. And that's for every community, every situation, every socio-economic status. And if we focus on that, maybe something can be changed ?€” and I think that's important."

Cornerback Jeremy Lane, who joined Kaepernick's protest last week by sitting during the anthem and said he'd continue to do so, has not indicated if he will stand with the team.
 

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Looks like the Seashawks have changed their mind


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...em-protest-colin-kaepernick-flag-unity-090816




It looks like the Seattle Seahawks will be following the lead of Russell Wilson, not Colin Kaepernick, on Sunday.

A day after Doug Baldwin and Cliff Avril told reporters they were considering joining the national anthem protest before the Seahawks' season opener, Baldwin on Thursday tweeted that "our team will honor the country and flag in a pregame demonstration of unity."


When approached in the locker room by reporters, Baldwin declined to elaborate further, saying "you'll see on Sunday."

The announcement echoed an earlier statement from teammate Bobby Wagner, who said "Anything that we want to do, it's not going to be individual. It's going to be a team thing because that's what the world needs to see. The world needs to see people coming together versus being individuals."

Wilson, the Seahawks' star QB, previously said that while he understands Kaepernick's intentions, "For me, I love the flag."

"I understand what he's doing. But at the same time for me, I can also think about where we need to go and where our thoughts need to be," Wilson said last month. "It needs to be about love, about caring about one another. And that's for every community, every situation, every socio-economic status. And if we focus on that, maybe something can be changed ?€” and I think that's important."

Cornerback Jeremy Lane, who joined Kaepernick's protest last week by sitting during the anthem and said he'd continue to do so, has not indicated if he will stand with the team.
Good! I really hope Seattle doesn't follow along with that leach of a human being. I can't imagine the 12th man nation going along with and supporting that kind of thing.
 

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How can i boycott something that i don't currently watch or care about? any ideas? :D :p

You are quite the spokesperson Racey, if you sent an e-mail to the teams expressing your outrage at such a thing, I am sure they will all fall in line.

Seriously, you are one convincing poster:thumbsup
 
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