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Google Maps Satellite screen shot from my I pad

it’s not a real time screenshot
Different image than the one I get from google when on my desktop. Noticing the current date and approx time in the upper left corner fooled me. Didn't realize it was a screen shot. 😁
 
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Different image than the one I get from google when on my desktop. Noticing the current date and approx time in the upper left corner fooled me. Didn't realize it was a screen shot. 😁
How do you tell when the image was taken, I don't see anything.
 

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How do you tell when the image was taken, I don't see anything.
On the image DLC posted which caused me to think it was real time --- small in upper left corner of picture. That date (Which I didn't realize it was a screen shot) and that it's a different image than google maps displays using Chrome on my desktop, fooled me. 😁

The answer is, it's not a google map aerial, it's Bing Aerial, which makes it difficult to find any imagery layer dates.
 

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On the image DLC posted which caused me to think it was real time --- small in upper left corner of picture. That date (Which I didn't realize it was a screen shot) and that it's a different image than google maps displays using Chrome on my desktop, fooled me. 😁

The answer is, it's not a google map aerial, it's Bing Aerial, which makes it difficult to find any imagery layer dates.
How do you find it on Google
 

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How do you find it on Google
Google maps on my desktop shows it the image source and image year only, along the bottom edge.
This is the data that changes as you change zoom layers. It changes from Sat (Taken by the EU birds), to Aerial providers.
Google earth, on my desktop shows image date, lat/lon and elevation along the bottom edge.
On my Samsung Android with Chrome, google maps doesn't display any date or provider info.

Bing maps doesn't display date or source at all. But when I went to Bing, I found the same aerial DLC had posted. 😁

Google maps on desktop Chrome

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If this rule comes to parker it will be a even bigger mess . It's crazy enough near foxes. Now having every boat headed down river pulling a U turn in that section would just add more to the craziness . This is just more free reign for Leo to write tickets at there discretion .
 

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Google maps on my desktop shows it the image source and image year only, along the bottom edge.
This is the data that changes as you change zoom layers. It changes from Sat (Taken by the EU birds), to Aerial providers.
Google earth, on my desktop shows image date, lat/lon and elevation along the bottom edge.
On my Samsung Android with Chrome, google maps doesn't display any date or provider info.

Bing maps doesn't display date or source at all. But when I went to Bing, I found the same aerial DLC had posted. 😁

Google maps on desktop Chrome

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With the I pad you can screen shot and then zoom in again - kinda like a double zoom
 

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If this rule comes to parker it will be a even bigger mess . It's crazy enough near foxes. Now having every boat headed down river pulling a U turn in that section would just add more to the craziness . This is just more free reign for Leo to write tickets at there discretion .
IMO it’s an easy reason for aqua cops to stop you. Then it leads to how much you had to drink today and so on. The citation adds to justifying their stop say vs a safety check.

It looks like a legit reason to stop but really when no one in way more did you make anyone do an evasive move there’s no need for it.
 

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IMO it’s an easy reason for aqua cops to stop you. Then it leads to how much you had to drink today and so on. The citation adds to justifying their stop say vs a safety check.

It looks like a legit reason to stop but really when no one in way more did you make anyone do an evasive move there’s no need for it.
there is no such thing as a legit reason as any vessel can be stopped without cause.

but this thread is epic and reenforces why i dont go to havasu anymore.
 

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Every time I am in Havasu there are boaters going the wrong way in traffic.. move to the right!! I know that this is a left turn situation but you can’t turn in front of another boat.. happens every time I am at the lake.. when going south stay in California! North stay in Arizona! I wish this was actually posted at the launch ramps. Keep right of oncoming traffic..
This right here! Been going to Havasu for over 30 years, and there is always some Barney heading up or down river on the wrong side of the lake!
 

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Noticed how full the Riviera was yesterday when going river. Then when coming back in the early afternoonup to Thompson Bay. A boat shoots out of the marina and goes south. He just keeps going hugging the shoreline on his way south. Luckily it is wide but I expressed to our son that he needs to be mindful of this new obstruction or situation you might find yourself in. Stay safe out there everyone!!!!
This is similar to what happens at Pirate's Cove.....people heading north turn toward the entrance way too early, and end up hugging the CA side of the river and coming head on with traffic exiting and boaters just passing thru heading South.
 

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I was cordial with the sheriffs, but before they even asked for my paperwork, I they said "Just a heads up, we are required to cite every boat that we stop this weekend." They said that they cant take any chances with safety this weekend.

Definitely a lesson learned for me.
They gave me the exact same quote.

Kinda pissed me off given they post this a day later.
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there is no such thing as a legit reason as any vessel can be stopped without cause.

but this thread is epic and reenforces why i dont go to havasu anymore.
Yes i know that they can just say they want to do a safety check and they are bored you are the first boat we saw.Yes its more a bs thing but the not following direction is a sticking out violation just like a no wake violation.
I remember in mid 90s leaving copper canyon you had any ripple off back of boat you got stopped if they wanted to stop you it happened to me a couple of times a quick check and its a forget about the wake you can go.
 

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Sounds like RD should see if the Sheriff will meet him and his film guy down at The Riviera and make a quick public service video about what violations the boat cops are seeing in that area.
 

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They could fill their coffers just sitting and grabbing the people that launch at Windsor and head to the channel, or even straight out of Windsor around towards Site 6 without heading to the casino first.
 

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This is similar to what happens at Pirate's Cove.....people heading north turn toward the entrance way too early, and end up hugging the CA side of the river and coming head on with traffic exiting and boaters just passing thru heading South.
Good point as I never pull over too soon but I can see others doing it thinking that they are taking the break in boats when they can. Thanks for making the point and clearing it up a bit 👍
 

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They could fill their coffers just sitting and grabbing the people that launch at Windsor and head to the channel, or even straight out of Windsor around towards Site 6 without heading to the casino first.
No doubt. It would be an endless $$$ stream. What would be really cool is if they cared about safety and checked people before they launched. 🤨. 80% of the boaters come from 4 places. Should be pretty easy to help people. I guess playing gotcha is more fun.
 

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Coming around the reeds back into the lake from the mouth of the river, I always go right and stay on the CA side, but I notice almost every other boat go straight line from the mouth to the channel...honestly regardless of the legality of it, I just think its common safety sense to stay right...
 

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Not that I'm being fully legal with this new light of information but it is common sense (not for many) coming into Pirates going north you should go past the mouth of the channel maybe 25-50', the current then takes you right into the channel perfectly under power at no wake speed. Otherwise you are having to keep on the throttle to stay away from outgoing traffic and/or the shoreline.

The lawful approach from here on out may be to u-turn when it's safe up the river a few hundred yards and come back down.
 

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They gave me the exact same quote.

Kinda pissed me off given they post this a day later.
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im a supporter of law enforcement. But this is just FUCKING bragging. 324 traffic stops to give them the opportunity to write 102 citations. Im sure some of the 102 was after seeing a true violation. But 222 times they traffic stopped and said hello? if you traffic stop someone its because they deserve a ticket, which apparently they didn't.

I wonder how many of the 102 was turning left?
 

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Did I miss where the law said just how far past your destination must you go to make a U turn so you can come back and make a right turn into your destination?
This ARS "Was" a rather common sense statute based on a simple to understand universally accepted concept.

The latest revision of this same AZ statute A.R.S. 5-345.D, added ill-defined verbiage to enhance the original common sense application, but insufficient data for the exacting compliance that LEO are now using to arbitrarily write citations based on their whim du-jour.

The intent of the shoreline area leaving, entering revision, simply states you shouldn't enter or leave the beach, bay or harbor, in a clockwise direction and that any angle other than clockwise should comply with the intent.

The author of this thread stated there was a ARS statute provision negating the "Shoreline Area" CCW rotational rules (Whatever the F*ck Shoreline area is, because AZ offers no definition) if you're at idle and within a 'No Wake' zone and I can find no such statute that offers this exception, and despite my having asked, the threads author hasn't volunteered one.

If there isn't one, there should be and it should include a reasonable distance from the shore and designate a no-wake speed as an example.
 

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im a supporter of law enforcement. But this is just FUCKING bragging. 324 traffic stops to give them the opportunity to write 102 citations. Im sure some of the 102 was after seeing a true violation. But 222 times they traffic stopped and said hello? if you traffic stop someone its because they deserve a ticket, which apparently they didn't.

I wonder how many of the 102 was turning left?
I 100% support law enforcement. I’m always cordial and respectful to make their job easier. I was in the wrong and deserved the ticket.

However, there were 4-6 police boats lighting up every boat that was leaving Thompson bay. No way they had a reason to pull someone over from 500yds away. Once they got done with one, next closest boat got lit up.
 

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I 100% support law enforcement. I’m always cordial and respectful to make their job easier. I was in the wrong and deserved the ticket.

However, there were 4-6 police boats lighting up every boat that was leaving Thompson bay. No way they had a reason to pull someone over from 500yds away. Once they got done with one, next closest boat got lit up.
Welcome to Havasu. As a former cop, I often question some of the shit they do out there. Like I stated earlier in the thread, I have never had a problem with SBSO. This seems to be an Arizona thing.
 

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This thread has been a wonderful reminder of how great the boating is in Florida…….

We literally have none of the enforcement that is often complained about on RDP. I think it’s because we have more idiots. L.E. doesn’t have to look to far to find somebody doing something that is clearly stupid. Those idiot boaters are the easy low hanging fruit for law enforcement here. Lots of rental boats and the super low hanging fruit…….. the rental jetski.

I’ve been pulled over once. They thought I was running an illegal yacht charter. One glance at my license ended that quickly. It was a non-event. Less than 1 minute. Lol
 

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Welcome to Havasu. As a former cop, I often question some of the shit they do out there. Like I stated earlier in the thread, I have never had a problem with SBSO. This seems to be an Arizona thing.
I sure had a problem with a hard-headed moronic SBSO one day.
Hazard buoy from Site 6 had been blown clear across the lake into the back of the bay opposite Site 6.

Having been closely familiar with that bay for close to 20 years, I'd ridden my jet ski over to check it out, curious why it had now shown up there in an area I knew had no underwater obstructions. Boat sink ?

I rode around it at a fast idle, IDing it was a Hazard buoy, but there was no visible hazard, so satisfied the recent north wind had blown it straight across, I started to ride away when a SBSO boat came racing into the bay with lights blazing.

I shut off and drifted waiting, being the only vessel in the bay I figured they wanted to chat and it was as good a time as any to report the walk-about wandering buoy.

This clown rolls up and before I can even get a "Good Afternoon Officer" off my lips he starts screaming at me how that was a hazard buoy and I had put myself in dire, reckless, danger by riding around it.

I tried to explain my purpose and the wayward buoy and how now it had probably left a known rock reef hazard exposed and vulnerable at the Site 6 bay entrance, but he would have none of it and just kept admonishing me for my reckless behavior.

Realizing I was dealing with a complete aqua-moron with a badge, I simply apologized, admitting I'd let my curiosity override my common sense and swore I'd never do it again --- guess that gave him a victory and immediate powerful gratification and I was dismissed shortly thereafter.

Oddly, somehow by the next morning, the buoy had been retrieved and was back on station at Site 6.
Been boating Havasu since the mid 70's, that was my first and ONLY contact with any LEO on Lake Havasu, so if asked to rate the SBSO, they'd get 1/2 star at best.

My secret of successfully avoiding any Aqua-LEOs --- by being a boating Contrarian. 😁
 

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Not making an illegal turn but I knew of the DUI checkpoint at Windsor.
No big deal since I wasn't drinking
I got to the buoys and they were like a fly on shit
Pulled up to the pier and they started recording.
There was no joking around, they were serious about their job
Made me remove sunglasses
He asked if I drank enough water
I asked why
He said I could be written up for being impaired
Are we finished here?
Lost all respect for them
 

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I've been wishing @BoatCop would drop by and weigh in on this A.R.S 5-345D in regards to clarifying various ambiguous aspects of this statute that lends to confusion by boaters and apparently LEO alike.

There's several ill defined aspects of this statute as it's written in regards to what constitutes a "Shoreline Area", and the extent (Degree) of the turn this revision is requiring.
 
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This thread has been a wonderful reminder of how great the boating is in Florida…….

We literally have none of the enforcement that is often complained about on RDP. I think it’s because we have more idiots. L.E. doesn’t have to look to far to find somebody doing something that is clearly stupid. Those idiot boaters are the easy low hanging fruit for law enforcement here. Lots of rental boats and the super low hanging fruit…….. the rental jetski.

I’ve been pulled over once. They thought I was running an illegal yacht charter. One glance at my license ended that quickly. It was a non-event. Less than 1 minute. Lol
And now you will understand why alot of us have no respect for the law enforcement on the water . We have all the same low hanging fruit as Florida and even more . Most of the stupidity is over looked to stop a family of four wearing life jackets including the family golden retriever ! There might be a course light in there ice chest !
 

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I sure had a problem with a hard-headed moronic SBSO one day.
Hazard buoy from Site 6 had been blown clear across the lake into the back of the bay opposite Site 6.

Having been closely familiar with that bay for close to 20 years, I'd ridden my jet ski over to check it out, curious why it had now shown up there in an area I knew had no underwater obstructions. Boat sink ?

I rode around it at a fast idle, IDing it was a Hazard buoy, but there was no visible hazard, so satisfied the recent north wind had blown it straight across, I started to ride away when a SBSO boat came racing into the bay with lights blazing.

I shut off and drifted waiting, being the only vessel in the bay I figured they wanted to chat and it was as good a time as any to report the walk-about wandering buoy.

This clown rolls up and before I can even get a "Good Afternoon Officer" off my lips he starts screaming at me how that was a hazard buoy and I had put myself in dire, reckless, danger by riding around it.

I tried to explain my purpose and the wayward buoy and how now it had probably left a known rock reef hazard exposed and vulnerable at the Site 6 bay entrance, but he would have none of it and just kept admonishing me for my reckless behavior.

Realizing I was dealing with a complete aqua-moron with a badge, I simply apologized, admitting I'd let my curiosity override my common sense and swore I'd never do it again --- guess that gave him a victory and immediate powerful gratification and I was dismissed shortly thereafter.

Oddly, somehow by the next morning, the buoy had been retrieved and was back on station at Site 6.
Been boating Havasu since the mid 70's, that was my first and ONLY contact with any LEO on Lake Havasu, so if asked to rate the SBSO, they'd get 1/2 star at best.

My secret of successfully avoiding any Aqua-LEOs --- by being a boating Contrarian. 😁
Sounds like an isolated incident. I have owned a house In Havasu for 23 years and have been going out there much longer. The Arizona cops get fixated on an issue and go overboard enforcing it before they completely drop it and move on to something else. Like I stated before, they enforce the law to the letter instead of the spirit. Blue lights a few years back is a perfect example. Does a boat in it's slip in the marina with it's blue underwater lights on look like a LE boat? I have never been stopped by a California agency anywhere on the river or the ocean.
 

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I got pulled over in Copper Canyon while chauffeuring a bunch of 60-70 year old friends of my father in the family jet boat. No one was drinking or doing anything. Cops gave me a field sobriety check.

Afterwards in discussing the incident later I felt I was simply an easy way for the cops to show they were serious without getting pulled off station because they knew I was likely clean.

That’s the only incident with LEO on Havasu I was a little miffed about.

My only other incident we were pulling a skier around the island heading south and the LEO I guess couldn’t see the observer in the boat. So lights and siren and I have to drop the skier. The cop got slightly mad I idled back to pickup my skier but that’s a high traffic area and I wasn’t going to leave him bobbing like a cork unprotected. Anyway he saw the observer finally and just waved me off after the stop. We elected to just hustle down to the Palms and drop the skier back in.
 

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The last contact I had was a few years ago in the channel. 11:20PM and we are beached at the South end of the channel on the island. We had just got there and I was playing with my dog in the water (summer heat). Female LHCPD officer walks over from her parked patrol car and asked how long we planned to be there. I was confused and said we had just got there and we would be there maybe an hour. Told her we came out late because of the summer heat so the dogs could play in the water. She says "well, the channel closes at 11:00". In all my years of going out there I have never been told I had to leave the channel because it was after hours. I acknowledged what she said and told her we would not be much longer. She walked away. I have just had a lot of weird contacts out there over the years.
 
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