I don’t get some people’s business mindset.

[5oclocksomewhere]

I was just reading Fox new about some idiot florist who didn’t want to do flowers for a gay wedding was in court over it. Personally I would rather do business with people I dislike it easier to take there money rather than people I really like.

Case and point I recently did some work for some people who were apparently talking shit about me. My buddy say to me those people have been talking shit about you! Your not going to do work for them are you? I said hell yes I am! I gave them a higher price than I would for anybody else and they still wanted me to do there work. I loved taking there money. Now if my buddy wanted me to do the same work I can’t take his money he’s my best friend.

 

[Yellowboat]

The only color I care about is green, who you fuck is your business.

That being said I total understand some one not wanting too do business with some one and going too court over it.

 

[BajaMike]

Agree.....I don’t get mixing politics and religion with business. You can replace your products, you can’t replace a customer and his money you would have had in your pocket.

That’s why I don’t understand these public companies, like “Dicks” that wants to make a political statement and won’t sell certain legal guns. I drive 2 miles past “Dicks” to get sporting goods at a non-political store.

 

[mash on it]

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

This means you.

That's not very hard to understand.

Having the customer force you?
Nope, go away.

This is freedom.

This is what we should support, and what I support.

Dan'l

 

[oldschool]

So the gay couple sued the florist?

 

[WYRD]

I wouldn't discriminate based on race,religion, or orientation but I dont let greed influence my morals. If yore an asshole I wouldn't hesitate to tell you to pound sand.

 

[5oclocksomewhere]

Yah obviously we have the right to refuse service but be smart about it. If you don’t like someone beacause there queer just jack the price up and if they still use you great if not great. But to go to court over being a stubborn idiot? The only thing stubborn will get you in business is broke!

 

[Old Texan]

We have a small restaurant. As most know from the the P&G, I'm not big on Dems. The local county Dem group has had a group dinner several times and are welcome anytime. I insist the servers give them great service and we cook to please their wants. Politics don't pay the bills. My only concern is some of our hardcore Trump supporters coming in with MAGA hats. But even they realize it's a place of business in the USA and all are welcome as long as everyone respects the venue and each other.....

 

[coolchange]

Remember going to work with my dad and being in the warehouse and some guy asking him don't you hate having Jews for customers?
My dad said no laughing, that's 30% of my customer base.
That conversation stuck with me all these years.

 

[2Driver]

But it’s ok for Hollywierd to pull out of and boycott Georgia because they have an abortion law.

The country’s gone nuts. People are navigating the stupidest things in life based on some unrelated agenda or stance.

LOL I’ll take 2 pairs of socks, but could you first tell me the company’s stance of spaying and neutering dogs?

 

[BONER]

I do business with Owners, CEO's, CFO's, etc, everyday. Atleast 30% of them, I wonder how they got to the position they're in, and how the Company they're running, is not Bankrupt.

 

[Moody]

My wife takes the phone messages and hands them to me and says, "give this one a pita charge."

 

[ka0tyk]

It goes both ways. Businesses have the right to refuse service, and the public has the right to take their money elsewhere and impact the business.

I dont think the gov should have any say in who you do business with. Especially because someone is "offended." That word carries too much weight these days.

 

[Rattle Can Lou]

He should be able to refuse to do business with ANYONE he wants and WHEN he wants...period. And he should not be sued because of it..period

 

[Hypnautic]

There are groups and individuals that seek out business owners who refuse service then sue based on some bs discrimination.
They could have come into his shop dry humping each other and being complete assholes, so they are asked to leave. Panties get twisted and shop gets sued.

 

[Yellowboat]

I do business with Owners, CEO's, CFO's, etc, everyday. Atleast 30% of them, I wonder how they got to the position they're in, and how the Company they're running, is not Bankrupt.

only 30% or do you mean you only understand why 30% of them are still in business.

Some of the richest people I have ever met were dumb as a rock.

 

[monkeyswrench]

The PITA charge is closest to my mindset. I always told my wife that my hourly, or job bid, was a sliding scale. If I didn't "need" the job and the customer was a prick, the price went up. Same is true of jobs that I surely had the ability to do, but really didn't want to(i.e. really complex, custom, one off copper work or "abnormal" time consuming stuff)

That said, if my kids were hungry and bills were due...I wouldn't care if you were an absolute ass, picky as hell, cross-dressing neo-Nazi. Pride isn't in my list of priorites, and it doesn't pay my bills.

Not to mention, the only winners are the lawyers pleading the cases...

 

[BONER]

only 30% or do you mean you only understand why 30% of them are still in business.

Some of the richest people I have ever met were dumb as a rock.

I'm saying at a bare minimum after I get signed Contracts, I walk out and ask myself how they're still in business, 30% of the time. ATLEAST. Lol

 

[Boat 405]

Everyone gets special pricing that wants to be an asshole. As long as they pay their bill. I don’t care what they do or say.

 

[wallnutz]

I discriminate against lawyers and engineers, if I know in advance they get my special special price.

 

[Ziggy]

Remember going to work with my dad and being in the warehouse and some guy asking him don't you hate having Jews for customers?
My dad said no laughing, that's 30% of my customer base.
That conversation stuck with me all these years.

Everybody's money spends the same.

 

[Yellowboat]

I'm saying at a bare minimum after I get signed Contracts, I walk out and ask myself how they're still in business, 30% of the time. ATLEAST. Lol

I would not be shocked if it was 70% of the time. I can't tell you the number of times I have been in a 5 mil+ dollar home and could not figure out how they made 5 bucks let alone 5 million.

 

[Ziggy]

I had good success with jackass customers who got way better treatment from me than they ever expected(they're not used to that). I'd say most then became very loyal and trusting clients.

 

[Tank]

This has already happened with a baker that refused to bake a cake for gay wedding. It was decided in court the baker had the right to refuse service (after local courts had decided it was not ok).

I can clearly see both sides on this and empathize with both sides. I agree a business has the right to refuse service and that is the way it should be (Starbucks recently caving to allow anyone to use their restroom and changing their policy from customers only disgusts me). If Starbucks or anyone else says, customers only, then that's the way it should be. If someone doesn't want to serve you, then that's the way it is. If some business was like, "we don't serve white dudes in their 40's" I'd be PISSED and think it isn't fair and BS. And then I'd tell everyone I know not to go there and then I'd never go there again and that would be the end of it.

But the empathetic side of me says, "if that refusal of service is based on discrimination, then that is wrong" (in my opinion). If this is as cut and dry as it seems (business refuses business based on sexual preference of customer) then that is wrong and those being refused service should boycott, post on the internet about it, heck even organize picketing in front. But lawsuit? How's the law going to tell you who you have to serve even if you're a bigot or whatever? While I think it's stupid to refuse service to anyone because you're turning away money, I also think it's stupid to discriminate. But mostly I believe in the freedom to be able to be a bigot or discriminate or to throw your gay pride parade or your straight parade or whatever the hell else you want to do. You want to refuse service? That's your choice. This country was founded on freedom and it seems to be more and more restricted as time goes on.

 

[DaveH]

all of this is why I hate everyone equally.

 

[Dana757]

I don't get it either. Both ways .... If a florist or cake baker didn't want to do my wedding I wouldn't want them to do it either.

 

[500bbc]

So the gay couple sued the florist?

It's not about the flowers it's about shoving their "lifestyle" down your throat until you gag...

 

[Instigator]

I do business with Owners, CEO's, CFO's, etc, everyday. Atleast 30% of them, I wonder how they got to the position they're in, and how the Company they're running, is not Bankrupt.

I would say a large percentage of them have either slept with somebody or know who someone else has slept with to get there.

 

[Cdog]

They should have sold them what they wanted and donated the profits to a cause they believe in.

It’s their right to deny services but it’s a bad business move.

I have to work with cheap asses all the time!! Lmao!

 

[WhatExit?]

 

[TrollerDave]

I think the issue is more about the refusal to support the gay “lifestyle.”
I wonder if they would have sold them flowers or cake if it was for a birthday or graduation. I think the baker said something like that in an interview.
What would it mean to go against your beliefs just to make a sale?

 

[rrrr]

I look at it from the other direction. If I asked a business to do something for me and they declined because of religious reasons, would I sue them?

Fuck no. I would respect their beliefs and find another vendor. That's what my Mom would want me to do, and it's the right thing.

The people that sue the vendor to jam their program down his throat are small brained assholes that don't deserve my acknowledgement. What really twists me off about it is that the same people that preached about tolerance and acceptance for years are now completely intolerant militant assholes that demand you conform to their worldview.

The world works two ways. Don't be a dick just because you can be.

 

[CJ_Donahue]

I have never been able to figure out how someone can't understand

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason."

Or

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

 

[wsuwrhr]

When I am able to, Ill fire a client if they are pain in the ass or don't pay promptly.

 

[oldschool]

It's not about the flowers it's about shoving their "lifestyle" down your throat until you gag...

Wouldn’t take much, I have a bad gag reflex.

 

[MohavValley]

I would not be shocked if it was 70% of the time. I can't tell you the number of times I have been in a 5 mil+ dollar home and could not figure out how they made 5 bucks let alone 5 million.

Cheap debt is how they stay afloat

 

[wsuwrhr]

Unneeded Information.

Wouldn’t take much, I have a bad gag reflex.

 

[Ziggy]

Unneeded Information.

We common folk call that TMI.

 

[coolchange]

My wife takes the phone messages and hands them to me and says, "give this one a pita charge."

We used to call it " the tax".

 

[wsuwrhr]

Who is "we" ?

There ain't no more "we".

We common folk call that TMI.

 

[Ziggy]

Who is "we" ?

There ain't no more "we".

We the people...you know, us English speaking folks that love acronyms.

 

[oldschool]

We the people...you know, us English speaking folks that love acronyms.

No habla ingles.

 

[Ziggy]

No habla ingles.

Ich verstehe dich nicht. Was haben Sie gesagt?

 

[DaveC]

Agreed.

Because of where I live I would have no clients if I refused to take tards on as clients. I am more than happy to take their money and do it with a smile on my face.

It’s not personal it’s just business.

And PITA clients do get taxed. If they are dumb enough to pay it even better. My bad for not taxing them more

But that is my choice. I am all for freedom of association. After all it is still a free country, outside of California at least.

 

[Driptruck]

Here is what gets me on this topic since the State I live in Washinton sued a baker over this same issue, not the customer but the State?
#1 Why does the state or my state always get involved? I can see the customer suing (I don't get it though I wouldn't want someone making something special for me if they didn't want to) but why does the State feel the need to basicall ruin these peoples business? They basically run out of money fighting it and loose their business in the end.

#2 This is the one I struggle with lets say you own the "bakery" or whatever business, but you are not a baker you just hired a great baker that runs your shop. So this baker is very religous and refuses to bake anything of religous topic. In comes gay couple, they want cake, as the owner you cannot force your employee to bake said cake againt his religon, but you must bake the cake for the cusomer or be sued by the State. This is the one I would like answered.

 

[DaveC]

True

Or it was daddy’s money

I would say a large percentage of them have either slept with somebody or know who someone else has slept with to get there.

 

[DaveC]

The only reason a state gets involved in a lawsuit, because it is always 100% political when they do, is to use their vast resources as a bully pulpit.

 

[oldschool]

Ich verstehe dich nicht. Was haben Sie gesagt?

Im des ole pouvezvous repeter que?

 

[brgrcru]

in my business, I have all sorts of people . from gay weddings to transgender films. nudist, I usually get treated the best by these groups. I would rather have these groups , then a bunch of spoiled kids, that run a muck and parents that don't care. as I am very conservative financially. liberal socially. I can care less what people do with themselves. money is green and all of its welcome at my establishment.

 

[PaPaG]

I don't care what a persons personal or political preferences are, if they are paying what the business asks for their services, paying on time and not causing headaches I would think a business would gladly take their money and provide great service without a second thought I know we would in any business we had. I do however understand someone that is very religious and not willing to do business with someone because of certain beliefs. I remember the old signs everywhere that said "We reserve the right to provide service to anyone" That said, if a person or entity just wants business services why the heck would anyone smart businessman or women turn them away as long as they are good potential clients. It is 2019 and the world has dramatically changed and the business that does not adapt will eventually die off.....JMO.