How would you feel?

[Wmc]

If you bought a used motor that had New parts in the bottom end, took it to a builder had him go through it (complete tear down) send everything to the machine shop. What wasn't good was replaced ( All at a cost). To put it in a boat to have a major oil leak out of the rear main seal first trip out. Then took the motor back out to fix the rear main seal. When we pulled the cap off the crank you could tell it was going to spin a bearing. So now we have to do a complete tear down again send everything out have it all cleaned and inspected ( at a cost for parts ie. new bearings gaskets and cleaning). Rebuild it again put it in the boat. We use the boat two trips maybe 3hrs no oil leak and it blows up again. This is heartbreaking.
How would you feel?

 

[RitcheyRch]

That would suck and I would be very upset

 

[boatnam2]

Be pretty bummed for sure, so the motor is shot or it had a oil leak again?

 

[Wmc]

Be pretty bummed for sure, so the motor is shot or it had a oil leak again?

Haven't tore it down yet but pretty much I think by the way it cranked over smelt and sounded it's not good. No oil leak

 

[renodaytona]

I'd be pissed, sounds like the motor has a hidden gremlin maybe a blocked oil passage?

 

[Dog]

Are these new parts? Sometimes it is cheaper and less grief to bite the bullet and start fresh.

I have watched people go through several "builds" during a season trying to use old parts that they think are "ok".

 

[boatnam2]

This is in your kids rig?

 

[420HOA]

Who's the builder and why aren't they standing behind their product ?

 

[Outdrive1]

What's broken? This is the motor 2FF got off EBay with all the Chinese stuff inside it? Before you get upset I think I'd see what failed. The Chinese crank could have broken half for all you know at this point. I just wouldn't get upset until you know what the failure is.

 

[Wmc]

What's broken? This is the motor 2FF got off EBay with all the Chinese stuff inside it? Before you get upset I think I'd see what failed. The Chinese crank could have broken half for all you know at this point. I just wouldn't get upset until you know what the failure is.

Paul don't give me that s***it has maybe 3 hours on it the farthest the boat had been run was to pirate everything was inspected and if it wasn't good it would have been replaced. And the question was how would you feel?

 

[Wmc]

Paul he has 8k in to the rebuild only parts we bought were rods gaskets bearings

 

[CigAjerk]

I would feel like the lid off a fresh can of fuck

 

[Waffles]

Billy's boat? I'd be pissed if it was out of commission 2 seasons in a row.

 

[McRib]

I'd feel like shit for sure. I'd be mad at myself for a bunch of reasons. I sure hope you didn't buy this motor from someone you consider a friend. 9 out of 10 know the problem and pass it on. Now it's your problem. Throw that motor away, bite the bullet and get something new from jasper or summit or the likes thereof and get back on the water.

 

[Boat 405]

Take it to a new engine builder

 

[Outdrive1]

Paul don't give me that s***it has maybe 3 hours on it the farthest the boat had been run was to pirate everything was inspected and if it wasn't good it would have been replaced. And the question was how would you feel?

Will, anyone would be upset if their motor failed. That being said you don't know what failed. If something parts wise inside that motor failed or broke who's fault is that? Is it the builders fault if you brought him the parts? If he sold you the parts and recommended them, then of course I'd expect him to stand behind them. Like I said, you don't even know what failed at point.

 

[Backlash]

Man that sux. And it sounds like you guys have already thrown a bunch of money at it too. Damn. I'm not sure who did the work for you but I know there are a few highly recommended builders on here you could take it to. Maybe let them help you out the next go-around??? Either way, it sux. I'd be pretty upset too.

 

[Wmc]

Will, anyone would be upset if their motor failed. That being said you don't know what failed. If something parts wise inside that motor failed or broke who's fault is that? Is it the builders fault if you brought him the parts? If he sold you the parts and recommended them, then of course I'd expect him to stand behind them. Like I said, you don't even know what failed at point.

I haven't said who or what's at fault. I will take it apart myself to see with my own eyes balls then I will make the decision on what to do. It just sucks...... Has anyone step up to the plate and say... get that boat over here and let's see what happen?

THAT A BIG NO!!!!

Looks like my problem

 

[rivrrts429]

I'd feel terrible but you need to find out if it's parts or builder related first before you go full blown spider monkey.

Any chance it was tuned on the dyno before it was put in the boat? Who fired the motor for the first time?

 

[Deja_Vu]

That would be a huge disappointment, that's for sure. :thumbsdown

I hope you get it figured out and it's something simple.

 

[Runs2rch]

I haven't said who or what's at fault. I will take it apart myself to see with my own eyes balls then I will make the decision on what to do. It just sucks...... Has anyone step up to the plate and say... get that boat over here and let's see what happen?

THAT A BIG NO!!!!

Looks like my problem

Anyone would be upset. Especially when shops won't say no problem bring it back. I would drop some crate power now to enjoy the season and make this motor a winter project.

 

[460]

Lots of factors.

But you should give said motor builder a chance to go through the motor before starting a thread all but blasting the guy.

 

[boatnam2]

I once had a motor drop a valve seat while warming up on the ramp, kicked it through the motor and pretty much destroyed a 20k motor in 20 seconds, wasn't motor builders fault but i thought it was at the time just because i was pissed off with all the money i had spent, found out it was common with the steel headed merlin heads and although it sucked and was spendy to fix learned shit can happen and does happen, i would see what happened and how it happened and go from there.

 

[Wmc]

Lots of factors.

But you should give said motor builder a chance to go through the motor before starting a thread all but blasting the guy.

Maybe be motor builder should of said get it over here so I can look at it. I think that would be the right thing to do. Right?

If I do a camera system and something goes wrong. Customer calls me up and you bet your ass I'm there trying to make my customer happy. My name is on it.
I am a business owner.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Sucks...that engine has been nothing but trouble.

Who tuned the a/f and timing when in the boat? Plugs look good oil pressure was fine?

 

[Deja_Vu]

Maybe be motor builder should of said get it over here so I can look at it. I think that would be the right thing to do. Right?

If I do a camera system and something goes wrong. Customer calls me up and you bet your ass I'm there trying to make my customer happy. My name is on it.
I am a business owner.

That's good customer service, :thumbsup I heard that about you.

Maybe you can give me a bid for a camera system for the new Havasu pad.

 

[460]

Maybe be motor builder should of said get it over here so I can look at it. I think that would be the right thing to do. Right?

If I do a camera system and something goes wrong. Customer calls me up and you bet your ass I'm there trying to make my customer happy. My name is on it.
I am a business owner.

Perhaps said person has other stuff going at this exact moment. You wouldn't stop one persons install to run right over and check another one. You would handle it as soon as you could. Give the guy a chance to make it right.

 

[Wmc]

Sucks...that engine has been nothing but trouble.

Who tuned the a/f and timing when in the boat? Plugs look good oil pressure was fine?

Menace Marine did the tune so we know that's good. Single carburetor nothing fancy. Haven't opened it up don't have time that's the sucky part

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

I have to go back to the Chinese parts....are there Chinese parts, specifically a crank in this engine? Those Chinese parts are not built to spec in most cases. Most builders will tell you to toss them because your going to spend more money machining them then just getting a good quality part.

I would take it apart and toss the Chinese junk and start over. You pay for quality machining and parts for a reason. Pay once, cry once.

Mind you, I'm a cheap bastard and understand the philosophy of saving a buck...

 

[Wmc]

Perhaps said person has other stuff going at this exact moment. You wouldn't stop one persons install to run right over and check another one. You would handle it as soon as you could. Give the guy a chance to make it right.

I did twice

 

[Wmc]

I have to go back to the Chinese parts....are there Chinese parts, specifically a crank in this engine? Those Chinese parts are not built to spec in most cases. Most builders will tell you to toss them because your going to spend more money machining them then just getting a good quality part.

I would take it apart and toss the Chinese junk and start over. You pay for quality machining and parts for a reason. Pay once, cry once.

Mind you, I'm a cheap bastard and understand the philosophy of saving a buck...

I get the crank. But we did spend the money to have it machine perfect.

 

[Husqy510]

I don't think the builder is reponsible if you deliver him a pile of parts and it grenades because of a major failure. Essentially you paid him to inspect it and reassemble to the right tolerances. Its not his failt if a Chinese crank or rod that you gave him broke. Now if the failure was because the bearings were installed incorrectly or the rings were too tight, then he should step up and fix the problem. I can definitely see your frustration and your want to blame someone, but I'd tear the motor apart first and see what failed.

Also his profit margin on the job you describe is marginal, so for him to spend a bunch more time helping you out for something out of his hands is unreasonable.

 

[Instigator]

So is this a 2FF call out thread or someone else?

 

[TBI]

Sucks...that engine has been nothing but trouble.

Well there's your problem :rolleyes

 

[Heylam]

Was the engine from a bona fide engine builder, or was this a budget build from the get go?

 

[warpt71]

Anyone would be pissed!!!! I've always told all my buddies to buy stuff less motor and then build their own, then they will know exactly what is in it.

My first truck that I owned got a motor build when I was 19 and it went to shit with in the first month. I came home from my moms house in Palm Springs and when I got off the freeway (in the SFV) I had a rod knock. We called the guy that did the machine work and took it to his shop and he pulled the pan and checked the rod bearings. His conclusion was that the torque converter was "ballooning" and pushing on the crank and that took out the thrust bearing and all that material went through to system and wiped out the rods. Long story short, original builder would not stand behind his work and we had the truck towed home and we tore it apart ourselves. 2nd opinion was gathered and it ended up that the rods were sized too small from the original work.

I also bought a boat from here and have had that motor go away. I bought it 3 years ago and its been sitting for the last 2 seasons.

I guess shit happens, and sometimes you get stuck with a bill to pay. But that's also the cost of having toys! I have put off fixing my boat because its a luxury and I have chose to spend my money on my house and family.

I hope you get it all sorted out and do not ruin any relationships over it. Sometimes its inevitable though

 

[460]

You had to have known there was the chance that stuff was going to fail. Anyone here knows if they use cheap parts there is going to be a chance it will fail and fail big.

There is plenty of said motor builders motor around that are running and running very well. You shouldn't give people a reason to doubt the guys work.

 

[Outdrive1]

Who put the motor in the boat Will? Can that same person help you pull it out and get it on a stand?

 

[welldigger00]

Boy do I know the feeling. Many times. I spend 10-15 building my own engine one time to have it throw in the towel on the first startup in my driveway. No one to blame but myself.

 

[grumpy88]

I could maybe understand having to get back in line at the motor shop on the first failure but definitely not on the second failure . As the builder I'm surprised it is not killing him to know what went wrong the second time . Thirdly I agree with others that sometimes it's better to walk away and start fresh with a different motor .

 

[Wmc]

You had to have known there was the chance that stuff was going to fail. Anyone here knows if they use cheap parts there is going to be a chance it will fail and fail big.

There is plenty of said motor builders motor around that are running and running very well. You shouldn't give people a reason to doubt the guys work.

It has procomp crank and piston everything else was changed. Everything was sent out to a machine shop, machine and balance. Everything

 

[hallett21]

What was the engine builders response to you when they found out about the second failure?

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I would start playing golf again.

 

[overpriced hallet]

Sounds like you got a oiling issue. Bad oil pump, oil galleys clogged, gen 5,6 motor? I use Chinese cranks on some of my shit, eagle, Manley, almost all cranks that don't cost 5k are Chinese and they stay together as long as they're machined, balanced and properly lubricated so don't believe all the hype of the Chinese junk part bs. I run my junk at 8k for 25 mi straight so I don't believe it. So with that being said, if you've had issues and he is not willing to at least take a look and help out, then the best advice I can give you is move along and chalk it up as a loss and do business elsewhere. Friends or not. You'll be happier in the end.

 

[Constant840]

So is this a 2FF call out thread or someone else?

x2. Who is the builder?

and x2... its happened to me twice. Good builder stood by the work and we met in the middle.

 

[Wmc]

What was the engine builders response to you when they found out about the second failure?

(Ok alittle later not home now) Never heard back, he has my #, we are friends. I not going to bug. He knows we have a problem

 

[RitcheyRch]

I'm not going to post what is being said but I see 2FF posting about this on the Facebook page River Whips.

 

[Wmc]

Sounds like you got a oiling issue. Bad oil pump, oil galleys clogged, gen 5,6 motor? I use Chinese cranks on some of my shit, eagle, Manley, almost all cranks that don't cost 5k are Chinese and they stay together as long as they're machined, balanced and properly lubricated so don't believe all the hype of the Chinese junk part bs. I run my junk at 8k for 25 mi straight so I don't believe it. So with that being said, if you've had issues and he is not willing to at least take a look and help out, then the best advice I can give you is move along and chalk it up as a loss and do business elsewhere. Friends or not. You'll be happier in the end.

That's what I'm saying. Thank you

 

[RACER J]

As said already not all Chinese parts are junk, but procomp is the bottom of the barrel. Did you get a build sheet with the engine? If so post it up.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Sounds like you got a oiling issue. Bad oil pump, oil galleys clogged, gen 5,6 motor? I use Chinese cranks on some of my shit, eagle, Manley, almost all cranks that don't cost 5k are Chinese and they stay together as long as they're machined, balanced and properly lubricated so don't believe all the hype of the Chinese junk part bs. I run my junk at 8k for 25 mi straight so I don't believe it. So with that being said, if you've had issues and he is not willing to at least take a look and help out, then the best advice I can give you is move along and chalk it up as a loss and do business elsewhere. Friends or not. You'll be happier in the end.

I'll choose to agree to disagree on this one because I've heard many engine builders bitch about ProComp. I believe it comes down to quality control. In business, manufactures always have statistics when it comes to failures of the items they sell. A crank is an item that must be manufactured and machined to thousands from each and every angle. As we all know, Chinese quality control is not on par of the better American manufactures because we know an unhappy customer will show up on our doorstep. Meaning, not every Crank is going to fail, but a Chinese part will have a higher failure rate than a quality built American made item. When I crap from China, as I do on occasion, I buy with the idea that I am throwing my money away until I prove that item will work.

An engine part is an expensive technically advanced item so its not one that I would throw money at. Biggest reason is because one part can create a failure of 20 times the value of that one part. Just my .02