How would you feel?

[white tortilla]

im confused by the "how would you feel?"

what kind of answers are you expecting that would solve your problem.

i would feel just fine passing on the cursed motor in the first place.

used motor parts = gamble. poor 2FF couldnt give the damn thing away [emoji15]

 

[Wmc]

I'm surprised you didn't use the heads.

Sorry I did used the heads.

 

[DC-88]

I'd feel like getting a divorce from that bitch ....and as in any good divorce the new unit would be pricey but built for more speed with added bling and even better bolt on accessories. Without pics or specs of the said " junk unit" all I can offer up based on previous costs stated is maybe next time a titan oil pump and aeromotive fuel regulator among other things-

 

[Wendi]

I would feel like an idiot if I used cheap parts. Especially ones I knew came out of a motor that was junk.

If you spent alot of your hard earned money you wouldn't be saying the things you are and saying we used cheap shit. Our engine builder tore this engine apart he told us everything that we needed to replace and we did. Everyone rebuilds motors. Even ones purchased from a fucking junkyard. My son hasn't even been able to use his boat one season yet. 2 engine rebuilds later. That really sucks I'd say.

 

[Wendi]

If I'm building a motor that I'm expecting to run for a while and run good you bet your ass I am. Anyone who has been around motor, parts, boats etc knows you can't use cheap shit. First motor I built the only thing old was the block and heads. Everything else used was new quality stuff. And last I heard, that motor was still running and has had countless bottles of squeeze through it.

You get what you pay for. If I used cheap shit and it blew up I wouldn't be blaming the builder. It's my own fault for using cheap stuff.

The builder backed the product we brought him. If he thought it was cheap he would've told us move along. We spoke with him before buying Steve's junk motor. We didn't go in blind.

 

[Wmc]

I guess we can't use old Chevy blocks any more they're all junk. We'll get it running again maybe next year. We still have my boat.
That Howard is looking real nice right now. Short bus is back on the back burner again

 

[copterzach]

I guess we can't use old Chevy blocks any more they're all junk. We'll get it running again maybe next year. We still have my boat.
That Howard is looking real nice right now. Short bus is back on the back burner again

What boat was the engine in? Short bus? Pictures?

 

[Heylam]

A lot of good advice and real world experience, but truth is, I would feel violated. If I put trust and dollars into a builder, I would respect his guidance, and expect his backing if the project went south.
Shitty deal for sure, and I would expect some communication from the builder to at least do some discovery to find out what the real issue was.

 

[Wmc]

What boat was the engine in? Short bus? Pictures?

The short bus

 

[Wendi]

The boat http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5954611e70114/Screenshot_20170628-190720.png?

 

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I would be pissed at myself, if I bought the engine advertised as junk trying to make it a functioning engine again. I would be pissed because I just made the next engine cost that much more. Buy nice or buy twice.

 

[spectracular]

You paid $$$ for their experience and knowledge...and they failed. Used parts, chinesium parts, whatever. They knew what they had to work with and could have said "no". Assuming installation was not the cause, I'd be saying builder is in the wrong and you have every right to be pissed...not that it'll do any good though.

Try to find a mutually beneficial resolution to help soften the sting, and then move on. Find a cheap used running motor on Craigslist and go play. Don't lose sleep over the deal...it won't make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

 

[460]

Last thing I'm saying.

You could have drove over to his place and talked to him. He didn't deserve this thread being started. He's the first person to come to people's aid and not charge a lick. Weather you guys feel this thread is placing blame or not, it is.

 

[rivermobster]

Knocking

Smell like burnt oil

I built a BBC for my bro in law. Ran it on an engine stand for thirty minutes, and then I had Hallett install it in his boat.

He takes it out for the very first time and decides to see how it will run on WOT. :yikes

Calls me and says, It ran great for awhile, but lost power at 5k rpm, and now it has a rod knock in it. Seriously???

I tear it apart. Bearings are just fine, but the number six piston (shocker eh?) is toast.

He over heated the thing on it's first trip to the lake. *sigh*

Wanna guess who is NOT gonna build this engine for free again?? lol

Everyone needs to stop pointing fingers and wait till Will's engine is diagnosed. I feel like the court of RDP is a joke!!!! :fsakes

 

[Andy01]

Well I'd be bummed if I wasted this much time and effort on a rebuild. (you asked how I would feel)
IT SEEMS as thought this all falls on the engine builder and not the person that sold it. Engine builder thought he could make chicken salad out of chicken shit, and you ended up with a shitty tossed chicken salad. In my opinion this falls on the engine builder, you made him responsible for the assembly after machining. If he though it was right (parts good enough), well then he should be standing by his work. Even if the motor is full of trash, he assembled that trash after inspecting it and sending it down the road. So engine builder is not experienced or missed something and needs to fix what they assembled.

Who's the engine builder? Did I miss it?

 

[Heylam]

Regardless of fault, the engine builder at least owes it to communicate.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Let's look at this from another angle which doesn't happen much here. Poor WMC is getting his ass handed to him. You know your in trouble when your wife comes on RDP! Haha! Good for you Wendi! I kinda wish my wife would make an appearance.

I can't believe we haven't heard from the builder yet. I hope the builder is over there yanking the engine so he can tear it apart and post pictures for us tomorrow. You can either be a hero in the situations or finally retire.

 

[Wendi]

Last thing I'm saying.

You could have drove over to his place and talked to him. He didn't deserve this thread being started. He's the first person to come to people's aid and not charge a lick. Weather you guys feel this thread is placing blame or not, it is.

Not charge a lick? How would you know? Billy has had to pay him twice once for the initial build, then for the fix, now he has to get a new engine. Nothing is for free. Unless your on welfare.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Well I'd be bummed if I wasted this much time and effort on a rebuild. (you asked how I would feel)
IT SEEMS as thought this all falls on the engine builder and not the person that sold it. Engine builder thought he could make chicken salad out of chicken shit, and you ended up with a shitty tossed chicken salad. In my opinion this falls on the engine builder, you made him responsible for the assembly after machining. If he though it was right (parts good enough), well then he should be standing by his work. Even if the motor is full of trash, he assembled that trash after inspecting it and sending it down the road. So engine builder is not experienced or missed something and needs to fix what they assembled.

Who's the engine builder? Did I miss it?

Doesn't take long to figure it out, but I'm not gonna tell who it is. As far as this site is concerned, he's really reputable.

 

[Wmc]

Builder and I are trying to work things out so we can find out what went wrong

 

[Wmc]

Let's look at this from another angle which doesn't happen much here. Poor WMC is getting his ass handed to him. You know your in trouble when your wife comes on RDP! Haha! Good for you Wendi! I kinda wish my wife would make an appearance.

I can't believe we haven't heard from the builder yet. I hope the builder is over there yanking the engine so he can tear it apart and post pictures for us tomorrow. You can either be a hero in the situations or finally retire.

We are family[emoji41]

 

[hallett21]

Why'd you buy this engine in the first place? Just out of curiosity.

 

[Wmc]

Why'd you buy this engine in the first place? Just out of curiosity.

My son bought the boat less engine.

 

[Hammer]

William,

Tell Billy to come grab the Hamlett motor at my house.

2 bolt main 468. Ready to go. Might need a different flywheel?

Get him back on the water and enjoy his boat until he gets his motor deal figured out.

No charge.

 

[Wmc]

William,

Tell Billy to come grab the Hamlett motor at my house.

2 bolt main 468. Ready to go. Might need a different flywheel?

Get him back on the water and enjoy his boat until he gets his motor deal figured out.

No charge.

Thanks Hammer. That's very nice of you. I'll let him know.

 

[Dog]

I would feel like an idiot... and probably a little depressed that my attempt at saving money failed and is going to cost me more money and time.

No engine builder or shop is going to "stand behind" or warranty used parts that they have no idea the history of. If you are interested in why it failed pay the builder for his time and knowledge to find out what happen.

Most reputable builders won't even use old junk parts that a customer brings to them. This thread is why.

 

[was thatguy]

I keep seeing the word "junk" thrown around...what exactly does that mean?

 

[Wmc]

I keep seeing the word "junk" thrown around...what exactly does that mean?

I bought a engine from 2ff that he bought from someone on eBay. 496 2 bolt main procomp crank rods pistons. all was new. Steve was having problems with it. Builder knew about engine and said no problem we can make a good engine. We haven't took it apart

I keep seeing the word "junk" thrown around...what exactly does that mean?

 

[Wmc]

I would feel like an idiot... and probably a little depressed that my attempt at saving money failed and is going to cost me more money and time.

No engine builder or shop is going to "stand behind" or warranty used parts that they have no idea the history of. If you are interested in why it failed pay the builder for his time and knowledge to find out what happen.

Most reputable builders won't even use old junk parts that a customer brings to them. This thread is why.

Parts were new maybe a start up only. Steve was having oiling issue. I figured buy all take it to a good builder have them go through everything make a decent engine. Builder knew engine said we can make it work. Rods didn't check out builder got new rods. So how am I a idiot?[emoji106]

 

[bagged97taco]

The situation sucks for all involved and sucks to be boat less. Used parts or new, Chinese or not a motor is a ticking time bomb no matter what anyone says. We had a brand new motor. Fresh everything, no expense spared besides the stupid gm block. Made 4 passes down the track. 5th pass windowed the block. The factory gm block failed. 20k in parts are now coffee table art pieces. Shit happens, you gotta pay to play.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Is this the wrong time to mention I run regrind cams ? [emoji23]

Junk? Junk. J. U. N. K. - Used parts that people cannot identify when outside of a running engine because they don't work on engines. "Bobby took his motor apart....now it's a pile of Junk"

 

[was thatguy]

I bought a engine from 2ff that he bought from someone on eBay. 496 2 bolt main procomp crank rods pistons. all was new. Steve was having problems with it. Builder knew about engine and said no problem we can make a good engine. We haven't took it apart

I suppose it's possible that a pro-comp piece just came apart. I ran their rockers for a short while until I could get a set of Cranes and the difference just looking at them is night and day.

I'd be very interested to hear what you find inside. I have no problem running Eagle rotators and SRP pistons under 700 HP.
Right is right, and a mismatch or general mis-configuration is wrong no matter what name is stamped on a part. Good parts just hide it better.

I just don't understand what makes a motor "junk". I've ran "junk" in 9.90 cars more than once!

Please post what you find, it got me curious that no one can seem to make this engine work.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

We are family[emoji41]

Oh, never deal with family! Ask me how I know!

 

[white tortilla]

The situation sucks for all involved and sucks to be boat less. Used parts or new, Chinese or not a motor is a ticking time bomb no matter what anyone says. We had a brand new motor. Fresh everything, no expense spared besides the stupid gm block. Made 4 passes down the track. 5th pass windowed the block. The factory gm block failed. 20k in parts are now coffee table art pieces. Shit happens, you gotta pay to play.

for sale: new motor, only 5 passes, needs oil pan. [emoji23]

 

[AzGeo]

I'll pay cash to know what happened to the motor, this time .

I just read that, with a leaking rear main, and a main bearing "ready to spin", multiple times torn down for 'failures', but NEVER an actual REASON REPORTED for any of the failures (assuming it never lost oil pressure in use).

The one part that is very difficult and time consuming to 'measure and test', is the crankshaft and it's straightness . (.003" main clearance is enough to allow an assembly with a 'smooth hand rotation')

The rods were replaced and could be balanced to "almost remove" the harmonics produced by a 'slightly bent' crank.

The suspense is killing me, I hope it lasts ............

GOOD LUCK to you SIR .

(If the boat is close to Havasu, I have an 'A frame' you can use any time, or call/PM if you need a hand too)

PS; new parts fail too .

 

[Motor Boater]

Everyone needs to stop pointing fingers and wait till Will's engine is diagnosed. I feel like the court of RDP is a joke!!!! :fsakes[/QUOTE]

But he posted the thread for public Commentary?

I lost a timing belt once in an interference motor and it bent the valves. A buddy had a shop and he put it back together for me as cheaply as possible because I told him I was gonna get rid of the car. When they started the motor it dropped a valve. He was the motor builder so he was on the hook. I'm smart enough and mechanical enough to realize when u build a motor sometimes shit happens. I split the cost of the rebuild with him, it was the right thing to do.

 

[AzGeo]

Is this the wrong time to mention I run regrind cams ? [emoji23]

Junk? Junk. J. U. N. K. - Used parts that people cannot identify when outside of a running engine because they don't work on engines. "Bobby took his motor apart....now it's a pile of Junk"

I get Joe Jr. at American to re-grind roller cams, but never a flat tappet (S or H), the blanks are so cheap, why bother .

So many people make cams these days, many of their 'off the shelf' are within a degree or two of yesterday's 'custom grinds' .

 

[steak&lobster]

If you bought a used motor that had New parts in the bottom end, took it to a builder had him go through it (complete tear down) send everything to the machine shop. What wasn't good was replaced ( All at a cost). To put it in a boat to have a major oil leak out of the rear main seal first trip out. Then took the motor back out to fix the rear main seal. When we pulled the cap off the crank you could tell it was going to spin a bearing. So now we have to do a complete tear down again send everything out have it all cleaned and inspected ( at a cost for parts ie. new bearings gaskets and cleaning). Rebuild it again put it in the boat. We use the boat two trips maybe 3hrs no oil leak and it blows up again. This is heartbreaking.
How would you feel?

b a d . . .

 

[Bigbore500r]

I get Joe Jr. at American to re-grind roller cams, but never a flat tappet (S or H), the blanks are so cheap, why bother .

So many people make cams these days, many of their 'off the shelf' are within a degree or two of yesterday's 'custom grinds' .

Yes rollers only

 

[Tpltrbl303]

I just re-read the entire post and let me see if I got this right...
A motor was bought for some parts, engine builder built the motor using some of the parts, second party installed the motor, motor popped, motor has not been torn down yet and actual cause has not been determined.

I am having a tough time understanding why there is any finger pointing.

I lost motors due to parts flaws, mistakes in the build and installation issues. I've even lost one due to a plugged waterline...no ones fault it was dammed lakeweed.

The question is how would I feel? Bummed but not pissed til I knew what happened.

 

[was thatguy]

This Nova was one of my first race cars. It had a small block 383 stroker before they were popular.
4 bolt block, cast 400 crank, bone stock 350 rods that I picked out of hundreds of cores. I polished the rods, floated the small ends (unbushed), spent a full week dressing the crank up, and countless hours on the connecting rods. The pistons were 350 TRW flat tops that I fly cut to get back into the cylinders (the long rod pistons were not available back then), it had a Crower .525 solid lifter cam, and 461 castings for heads.
I spent 3 months after work turning the heads into Brodix replicas from templates I made from a set I was doing for an outlaw sprinter. They had Speed Pro 5/16 stem valves 2.02 and 1.6's. Angle milled .020 and 12.3 compression with flat top pistons.
Strip dominator with a single center squirter.
Turbo 350 and a 10 bolt posi with c clip eliminator kit. 5:13 gears.
Frame connectors, 6 point cage, 10.5 x 28.5 drag 500's, ladder bars and a leaf spring slider kit.

This car was by definition all junk. Yet it ran 10.90 class for 2 full seasons with regular wins with zero engine issues. In fact I won the first weekend I raced it.

I could tell you every clearance in that engine. From clearancing the Rod bolt heads to clear the cam lobes on 4 cylinders (stroker) to the angle of the piston fly cuts for valve clearance.
The point is that according to everyone that watched me build this thing over a winter it would never go down the track. Yet I beat cars that had more money into their cylinder heads than I had in my entire car.
And I know this because I did their heads.

There is something inherently wrong and it isn't the name on the parts...that's my opinion.

 

[shintoooo]

Looks like it's being worked out between the parties involved. This thread is done.