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I wonder who transported the boat for ocm and the new boat owner. Jeff murray was that you?
LOL.....Quality
I wonder who transported the boat for ocm and the new boat owner. Jeff murray was that you?
Smells funny in here...
Any legitimate sales business is going to MAKE SURE that sales terms and details are clearly nailed down in a sales/consignment agreement. Are you kidding me ?? It took over 2 months since the sale for this OCM guy to figure out what he needed from the seller?? Really? Lol. C'mon guys...
Either all parties involved are incredibly ignorant, or someone was trying to dupe someone else.
It's called floating your business on other peoples dough. It's something which always catches up to you....sooner or later.
I wonder who transported the boat for ocm and the new boat owner. Jeff murray was that you?
Where is dave?
Where is dave?
This is a pretty interesting read.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...078-dealer-wont-fund-factory-need-advice.html
You and i both know that package weighs to much for his arms to handle. I doubt thatPacking up shirts for shipping
Packing up shirts for shipping
I wonder who transported the boat for ocm and the new boat owner. Jeff murray was that you?
It would such running a forum
I think it would be pretty sweet
It would suck running a forum
No.. Lol
Long story short Tim has asked for a letter stating there are no liens on the boat and trailer. If there is a lien it would not show up on title and could cause problems for the registration of the boat in the future.
The guy 29'Commander is writing the letter tonight and scanning and emailing it to Tim. Upon receipt of the letter Tim will be depositing the entire amount into his bank account tomorrow afternoon.
So long as all that happens then it's a non issue. If something in there doesn't happen then I would expect it will be a shitstorm of biblical proportions and that will be that.. Lol
Well that's where it gets into a bunch of "he said / he said" shit.. Tim claims the guy asked him to cancel the check and do a direct deposit instead (believe it or not it does take time for the banks to stop payment and unwind all that etc.).. The guy claims he didn't even know it was a check.
I say who the fuck cares.. What does it take to resolve the solution? Tim says Letter. Guy says direct deposit.. Seems simple enough to me.
If it doesn't happen, then I guess we'll know who's full of shit, and who isn't.
RD
I don't have time or the energy or give a fuck to bother getting more involved in this situation then I already have.. I'm not going to spend all night typing out every detail of the conversations, and the this and the that.. To have Paul try to poke holes in it. I don't care about any of it.
At the end of the day, The guy said he's writing the letter. Tim said he's paying the dough.. Seems the situation (hopefully) will be resolved by tomorrow. If it isn't, then we'll know.
RD
At the end of the day,,, OCM sold boat for the owner/seller, OCM gets his percentage and pays the rest to his client. I'm thinking that prior to putting deal on paper if I was OCM I would already have all paperwork and know if there was a said lien or not!
I can't wait for this situation to turn sideways.
Deleting stuff is the sissy way out. Let it play out.
I will say it sounds like someone is in someone's pocket and can't help but stroke them.
Why would anyone trust anyone else with that type of money?
I'm not taking sides but I just don't understand why both sides are not a little more careful in a transaction of this size?
With all the threads on all the boating forums about OCM and payment delays, why is Tim not busting his ass to keep this shit from coming up. Maybe he is, but it is not showing!
You reputation is all you got in business and if I was Tim I would be doing everything I could to keep shit like this from appearing.
Did I miss who still had possession of said article in question?
If all the t's are not crossed it should still be on the lot, correct?
Dave says it's ok so it's ok. Never mind facts.
A bote broker sold a boat that was on consignment. The broker wrote a bad check to the seller. Two months later and the seller still has no money.
Now some bullshit paperwork excuse is being brought up.
And this is what, the third story from this place?
And rd, why you would involve yourself by making phone calls, etc, is beyond me. No way i would want the words phone call and ocm in the same sentence with my name on it at this point.
crickets
Dave is on the phone with the boat as we speak.
Because that's what RD does. He wants to be involved. He wants to be the liaison between local business and boaters/RDP members, and for the part, he does a great job. I had a problem years ago with a certain vendor, who is now a forum sponsor...guy fucked me pretty good. I asked a simple question on PB, not mentioning names or even pointing at a problem with a vendor, and this asshole chimed in an escalated things. Next I know, King Creole, RD, and some dipshit claiming to be this assholes attorney are calling me. I had PMs from other members with similar experiences that I conveyed to KC and RD, and sure enough, now he is a sponsor. Right and wrong doesn't matter. This is a business and business follows money.
If I was a business, I'd like to think that I'd take the truth over money because morals, but morals don't put food on the table...., but If I'd had drinks and lunch with the money, and I'd only met the truth on the interweb, I can't say which side I'd join.
I wonder who transported the boat for ocm and the new boat owner. Jeff murray was that you?
Was this necessary?
Bingo. And it's not his first time doing it and Dave needs to keep his distance. IMO
Where is dave?
As for the rest, the original owner of the 29'Commander has e-mailed the letter that Tim asked for last night. Tim is sending said letter to his attorney this morning to make sure it covers what he wants covered. (In my opinion it does after reading it).
Tim should be depositing this guys full amount into his bank account at some point this afternoon providing the attorney gives it the all good. If for some reason he doesn't, then by all means.. Get your gas cans.
In the meantime though why don't some of you guys put down your pitchforks and sing kumbahyah around the campfire for a few hours, because I suspect by this afternoon this is gonna be a non issue..
RD
The whole letter thing still doesn't make any sense to me.
Per usual Phil you missed the point. I'm not siding with ANYBODY. What I will say is I have seen in the last 15 years on boating message forums, over 100 of these threads.. and 90+% of the time it came out that the story was waaaayyyyy different then what was posted on the internet. This goes all the way back to an MSD box that Rex Marine sold, to an Aftershock that was half burnt and parked in front of a building etc.. and yes especially includes the last time OCM took a bath on here.
You say smoke and fire because there was a previous thread. As it turns out that guy wouldn't provide titles for a year.. You wouldn't pay a guy if he won't hand you the paperwork either.
The problem is nobody ever talks about that after any of these threads. They just remember negative and business name.
In the last thread I saw a copy of the titles, and I saw the date they were generated on, and they were generated right about the same time his lawyer called the newspaper.. It was a smear campaign that was entirely "smoke and mirrors" (pun intended.)
If you have a legit issue with a business (like the proposed one above) then the proper course of action is to get a lawyer and deal with the business.
And believe it or not Phil.. Yes I have been fucked over a few times in the marine industry myself. Even right now I have a company that owes me a grand.. You don't see me blasting them on RDP, so stop with the insinuation that I wouldn't do as I say.. Because I absolutely post by the same rules, that I have asked the members too.
Is the other thread gone?
I understand locking it or letting OCM respond but based on what I have heard there is no fucking way I would trust them with my $$$ or boat and people should be aware of the stories.
I would be very careful defending a business with this much negative input....it's gonna burn when everything comes out imho.
I wonder what the thread is going to look like if what Dave is being told is a lie and what the OP said was true. Man o man.
A bote broker sold a boat that was on consignment. The broker wrote a bad check to the seller. Two months later and the seller still has no money.
Now some bullshit paperwork excuse is being brought up.
Because that's what RD does. He wants to be involved. He wants to be the liaison between local business and boaters/RDP members, and for the part, he does a great job. I had a problem years ago with a certain vendor, who is now a forum sponsor...guy fucked me pretty good. I asked a simple question on PB, not mentioning names or even pointing at a problem with a vendor, and this asshole chimed in an escalated things. Next I know, King Creole, RD, and some dipshit claiming to be this assholes attorney are calling me. I had PMs from other members with similar experiences that I conveyed to KC and RD, and sure enough, now he is a sponsor. Right and wrong doesn't matter. This is a business and business follows money.
If I was a business, I'd like to think that I'd take the truth over money because morals, but morals don't put food on the table...., but If I'd had drinks and lunch with the money, and I'd only met the truth on the interweb, I can't say which side I'd join.
As for the rest, the original owner of the 29'Commander has e-mailed the letter that Tim asked for last night. Tim is sending said letter to his attorney this morning to make sure it covers what he wants covered. (In my opinion it does after reading it).
Tim should be depositing this guys full amount into his bank account at some point this afternoon providing the attorney gives it the all good. If for some reason he doesn't, then by all means.. Get your gas cans.
In the meantime though why don't some of you guys put down your pitchforks and sing kumbahyah around the campfire for a few hours, because I suspect by this afternoon this is gonna be a non issue..
RD
Just because it is/will be resolved, doesn't make it a non issue.
Morning Dave. How'd you sleep?
Just because it is/will be resolved, doesn't make it a non issue.
RD - do you think C29 would have gotten to this hypothetical mean time to resolution with OCM without his thread yesterday? Getting you involved potentially saved him 1000's $ in legal fees.
Again in RD's defense, he has to toe the line, IMO he needs to realize that some gripes are truly legit even if it means some of his clients are wrong.
I don't care what bullshit Tim spewed to you, when he sold the boat the balance after his commission should have been direct deposited to his customer's account and not months later, days at the most. Now an attorney needs to be involved? Ya this guys legit. Typical, rob Peter to pay Paul is what's happening here. Seemed to work well for The Boat Broker here in Upland.
Per usual Phil you missed the point. I'm not siding with ANYBODY. What I will say is I have seen in the last 15 years on boating message forums, over 100 of these threads.. and 90+% of the time it came out that the story was waaaayyyyy different then what was posted on the internet. This goes all the way back to an MSD box that Rex Marine sold, to an Aftershock that was half burnt and parked in front of a building etc.. and yes especially includes the last time OCM took a bath on here.
You say smoke and fire because there was a previous thread. As it turns out that guy wouldn't provide titles for a year.. You wouldn't pay a guy if he won't hand you the paperwork either.
The problem is nobody ever talks about that after any of these threads. They just remember negative and business name.
In the last thread I saw a copy of the titles, and I saw the date they were generated on, and they were generated right about the same time his lawyer called the newspaper.. It was a smear campaign that was entirely "smoke and mirrors" (pun intended.)
If you have a legit issue with a business (like the proposed one above) then the proper course of action is to get a lawyer and deal with the business.
And believe it or not Phil.. Yes I have been fucked over a few times in the marine industry myself. Even right now I have a company that owes me a grand.. You don't see me blasting them on RDP, so stop with the insinuation that I wouldn't do as I say.. Because I absolutely post by the same rules, that I have asked the members too.
RD - do you think C29 would have gotten to this hypothetical mean time to resolution with OCM without his thread yesterday? Getting you involved potentially saved him 1000's $ in legal fees.
The underlying facts still remain though and it'll be anyones guess as to their validity, most of it will still be speculative by the consumer world.Just because it is/will be resolved, doesn't make it a non issue.
The whole letter thing still doesn't make any sense to me.
There needs to be an alert sent out to the members when the shit is hitting the fan. I missed all of it.
It's tow.
I don't have access to Tim's bank accounts nor do I want to even know.. I would say it's easy to see how you can come to that conclusion, but I do not believe that to be the case.
RD
And there it is right there. It's unfortunate that there are people on the internet (a lot of them) that truly look forward to reveling in other peoples misery. It would seem that a lot of people in this thread are not interested in resolution, or even reading how or why something ended up the way it is.. They stand around with their gas cans and their matches wanting to burn someone at the stake.
God help you if you aren't holding a flame thrower right beside them, because obviously if you aren't willing to ruin someones business for no reason then obviously you are on your knees blowing them, and there can be no middle ground, because this is after all the internet.
I like jerry springer. [emoji2]
Well I can spend a few minutes explaining it out.. Only to spend hours listening to members try to poke holes in it, and me trying to explain, which then turns into me obviously blowing the vendor and defending him..
Or we can just wait until the end of business today and see if homeskillet gets his money.
I'd rather load the store front with inventory with Tom, and attempt to make some money today personally.
RD
Amen to that....I don't ever get involved in these threads because they usually end up with the truth in the middle....but you have multiple problems with one vendor, from multiple sources who are telling somewhat similar stories. It sure appears that this is being run like a pyramid scheme....keep one guys money as long as possible, eventually make good after being threatened or legally forced to pay up, then rinse and repeat. Always catches up with you....:rolleyes
Dave you are spot on with what OCM is going through, except the delays. Any person in business can tell you of transaction that went less than ideal. If you are a good business providing quality, you will still have a few people over the years you can;t please. 99% satisfaction is pretty damn good in my book no matter if you are building multi million dollar houses or selling widgets. The fact that people have the internet today to air their dirty laundry is just a fact of doing business. It sucks, because even if that negative post is totally wrong , it is still out there. As a business owner you have to have the positive results put on the internet also. It is weird to me to ask people to give their positive feedback , but in the long run those will out way the 1 or 2 negative ones. I'm not taking sides in this matter, because I went through a similar deal and I feel all boats dealers are shady, this is just my take on the situation.
I'd rather load the store front with inventory with Tom, and attempt to make some money today personally.
RD
It's tow.
RD
I'm a buyer for 3 hats min today. Big money
Here is the positive, C29 might get paid today. Think of the shit you could do with $60k today. Unless you are covering for yesterday of course.
Don't fold like a cheap lawn chair [emoji2]