Grammar Bully

[shippingguy]

I dunno Mike... I'm already perceived as pretty arrogant. You think I can beat that score?

Worth a shot I guess.

Only time will tell.

 

[PVHCA]

Here's a result for you, genius.

So far today you have posted the competitions website, mentioned eliminators site as a buyer based site, told a few of the deep pocket buyers on here to go somewhere else to get away from you, and told the owner to consider spending yet more money on an editor to correct the grammar in his articles. (Which I enjoy just how they are)

Maybe if I ever have a bankrupt business on my resume I'll understand your mind frame, but for now I think I'll just take your advice and go somewhere else.
Good job jackass.

You do realize that your so called effort to "help" your friends is costing your friends possible business?
Probably not however.

Careful, he may try and insult your livelihood.

Was it his money BTW?

 

[Froggystyle]

In my book it comes from the word orientate. I'm going to orientate this pencil to face north. Or you could use it as a separate type of direction that isn't necessarily directional or is directional. The orientation of the seat was facing backwards to see the skier.

It's orient. I'm going to orient this pencil to point north.

The furniture in the room and a bit of an asian orientation to it. The designer orientated the decor towards an asian theme.

I actually think you are fucking with us now.

As for Point of fact or point in fact.. I do not care if it was a common phrase at one time to be "point of fact" I tend to use the words Point in fact, and it still makes complete sense and is in fact functional to emphasize the point of the previous sentence.

Negative Ghostrider... Point in fact is not a phrase. Well... it is... it is just an incorrect phrase. Describe to me what "point in fact" means. Where it came from, or what it's origins were? How is it accurate other than in your fuzzy recollection of the first time you heard it.

It would seem the few grammatical errors I make, don't seem to have much of an impact on my income, and more to the point it would seem that I'm the only mofo getting paid right now to post on the internet.. LOL

Seems to me that you will never know... because you haven't tried the alternative. You can't imagine what life would be like with proper editing or grammar because it wouldn't occur to you, and you can't use it as a frame of reference. This is an impossible argument as a result.

I can't show you what your life would be like if you fixed the grammatical errors and how it would impact your income. You have never tried that route, and you are the only possible person to be able to provide that comparative benchmark.

 

[Froggystyle]

Maybe if I ever have a bankrupt business on my resume I'll understand your mind frame, but for now I think I'll just take your advice and go somewhere else.
Good job jackass.

Closed business... not that the difference is important. Except that I own my debt still, and I never declared bankruptcy to hide or absolve myself from it. But you're probably right. I should have kept saving up to go to work instead of moving on. How did my business closing it's doors negatively effect you again?

You do realize that your so called effort to "help" your friends is costing your friends possible business?
Probably not however.

Doubtful. I don't think RDP is the subject of any greater negativity. Me for sure... but "RDP gonna be OK..."

 

[milkmoney]

I jus want to say I don't give a shit about my grammar or anybody else's , jus in case the thread gets closed.

 

[Riverbound]

Phuc ewe Wes. Yore a dick.

 

[BDMar]

You don't need to worry about it any more... You mastered it.

You've

 

[Rivertoys]

I jus want to say I don't give a shit about my grammar or anybody else's , jus in case the thread gets closed.

Thank you! Thank you! Now that your opinion has been rendered, I think we can close this subject with a clear conscience. :thumbup:

 

[YoPengo]

FROGGYSUX

 

[H20-ski]

Through out my day I deal with 25 service technicians, 6 service advisors, answer incomming phone calls and frankly shouldn'd waste my time on here but I do.

I also deal with part numbers and punch in hundreds of different combinations an hour. Which bring me to this, I don't have time to post anything proper or worry about how it's spelled.
I really don't give a damn.

The reason I hang on here is that it keeps me up on the cutting edge of the boating industry and up comming events.
Plus I get a laugh out of it everyday. What would your day be like without a good laugh?

 

[RiverDave]

Ironically... I am more than open to correction with regard to grammar. And, like I said... I'm no authority... which makes my apparent mastery of it even more laughable.

I am a barely high school educated scholar. And I know the difference. What that means is... you don't need a post graduate degree to know the difference. It isn't an everyman vs. the elite struggle we are having here. Think of it as Bill Cosby explaining how stupid young black males look speaking ebonics and with their pants hanging down. Same deal.

Ditto.
Orient and oriented are words that I use every single day as it pertains to "orienting" our downhole directional tools to Mag north, with electronic declination corrections for true north.

Maybe I'm wrong on this.. But I would say "orientating"

It's orient. I'm going to orient this pencil to point north.



I actually think you are fucking with us now.



Negative Ghostrider... Point in fact is not a phrase. Well... it is... it is just an incorrect phrase. Describe to me what "point in fact" means. Where it came from, or what it's origins were? How is it accurate other than in your fuzzy recollection of the first time you heard it.



Seems to me that you will never know... because you haven't tried the alternative. You can't imagine what life would be like with proper editing or grammar because it wouldn't occur to you, and you can't use it as a frame of reference. This is an impossible argument as a result.

I can't show you what your life would be like if you fixed the grammatical errors and how it would impact your income. You have never tried that route, and you are the only possible person to be able to provide that comparative benchmark.

Wes, orientate, orientated, orientation, are all variants of orient. I'm not sure that I'm incorrect in using them the way I do.. You seem to be sure, but again, I'm not sure you are correct either. POINT IN FACT (as in <--- note that word) The POINT that I am making is about to be found IN the FACT, that you are a self described non scholar.

I do not feel the need to take a stance on any particular point, especially one as miniscule as this, and argue it to the point of "All In." As said in my text to you earlier today, I'm quite sure going all in on everything is some trait that is a positive for the Navy seals, and I'm not sure if that's something they trained you on, or if you were a fit for the job already possessing the trait. What I do know is it's not necessary to harass people about their grammar on here, and I've asked you to stop. For the time being at least you have tried to explain it (albeit with logic I don't agree with), but have seemed to contain it to your own thread.

So back to the "All In" portion of this.. You have positioned yourself in this (like many times in the past) where it is in an argumentative state, and have backed it with your opinions and some facts. Except if I was going to argue the opposite in relation to the importance of every word being spelled correctly, I would be forced to draw from life experiences and history.. At the end of it, we (2 friends) would be in a major argument and disagreement, again over something this fucking stupid.. Why would I argue it?

I would simply say you don't know "people" (as a whole) as well as you think you do. You lack salesmanship, and the ability to see another persons point of view. It's not a character flaw or anything, but it also doesn't allow you to stand on that ivory pedestal and decree the way things are going to be for everyone. Understanding variety of all walks of life is what makes someone a people person, and more importantly understanding that while your way might be the right way in your mind, it is certainly not the only way.

So I asked politely before, and I'll ask it again.. Knock the grammar nazi shit off. Please, pretty please, with a cherry on top. Or if it gets to disruptive to the natural flow of the board and order of things, I'll correct the problem (perceived by me) myself. Because as you so adequately pointed out earlier, that's how reinforcements work.

RD

 

[mbrown2]

Frog,

I disagree that you represent a large population on the board as us being grammar critics, but that is just another opinion. In addition, a good teacher takes a person aside and mentors them as opposed to publicly "frogging" them with a correction. The teachers that did that in school were no better than the bullies in the hallways. Specifically, if you cared about helping someone to create a better mosaic of themselves, send it in a PM instead of public thread.

Cheers!

 

[CampbellCarl]

In my book it comes from the word orientate. I'm going to orientate this pencil to face north. Or you could use it as a separate type of direction that isn't necessarily directional or is directional. The orientation of the seat was facing backwards to see the skier.

The furniture in the room and a bit of an asian orientation to it. The designer orientated the decor towards an asian theme.

As for Point of fact or point in fact.. I do not care if it was a common phrase at one time to be "point of fact" I tend to use the words Point in fact, and it still makes complete sense and is in fact functional to emphasize the point of the previous sentence.

I am not a grammar Nazi (capitalized for you Wes), I tend to write towards the general populace, and so long as the point comes across, and it is entertaining to read, then I have done my job. There might be a few grammatical errors, but if I sat there and corrected all of them then articles would take longer then they presently do, and that's already too long. If I hired an editor then I would be even more broken then I currently am.

It would seem the few grammatical errors I make, don't seem to have much of an impact on my income, and more to the point it would seem that I'm the only mofo getting paid right now to post on the internet.. LOL So I'll stick with my process, and appreciate the help of a few friends that shoot me messages to let me know if I fucked up on something.


RD

No issue with me there RD...go ahead and orientate this webiste in any direction that you like....

No more correction PM's from me (but then again, perhaps that's what you were after from the start of the orientating)

BH

 

[Outdrive1]

Wes you aren't tall enough to talk like this.

 

[RiverDave]

No issue with me there RD...go ahead and orientate this webiste in any direction that you like....

No more correction PM's from me (but then again, perhaps that's what you were after from the start of the orientating)

BH

Perhaps my bad grammar and mispellings diluted the point that I was making, that I actually appreciate the private messages Banana Hands.. They allow me to go on with my work, and come back and correct it after the fact.

I still disagree with the whole orientation, orient etc.. argument. I think I'm right on that one.

RD

 

[was thatguy]

You could be right, Dave.

To me though, "orientate" has always sounded like a made up word, as "orient" is also a verb?

Example:

Which SOUNDS better?

"Tom is orienting the MWD to mag north".
"Tom is orientating the MWD to mag north".

Also example:

"Tom, go orient the MWD"
"Tom, go orientate the MWD".

It just doesn't sound right to me.

 

[RiverDave]

You could be right, Dave.

To me though, "orientate" has always sounded like a made up word, as "orient" is also a verb?

Example:

Which SOUNDS better?

"Tom is orienting the MWD to mag north".
"Tom is orientating the MWD to mag north".

Also example:

"Tom, go orient the MWD"
"Tom, go orientate the MWD".

It just doesn't sound right to me.

Interesting.. Orienting doesn't sound right to me. It sounds like you are referencing asia..

RD

 

[CampbellCarl]

You could be right, Dave.

To me though, "orientate" has always sounded like a made up word, as "orient" is also a verb?

Example:

Which SOUNDS better?

"Tom is orienting the MWD to mag north".
"Tom is orientating the MWD to mag north".

Also example:

"Tom, go orient the MWD"
"Tom, go orientate the MWD".

It just doesn't sound right to me.

We both must have missed RDP Orientating 101.....

 

[Vmjtc3]

Perhaps my bad grammar and mispellings diluted the point that I was making, that I actually appreciate the private messages Banana Hands.. They allow me to go on with my work, and come back and correct it after the fact.

I still disagree with the whole orientation, orient etc.. argument. I think I'm right on that one.

RD

Seems they are the same??
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/do-you-orient-yourself-or-orientate-yourself/

 

[CampbellCarl]

Interesting.. Orienting doesn't sound right to me. It sounds like you are referencing asia..

RD

EXACTLY! That is the origin of the word...I rest my case...

BH

 

[was thatguy]

Interesting.. Orienting doesn't sound right to me. It sounds like you are referencing asia..

RD

Or Brown at a massage parlor.....just sayin'...:eek

 

[CampbellCarl]

OK. But in my book, the origin of the word is orient. In the old days, all buildings were designed and placed so that the front door faced toward the Orient. If you were designing, you were orienting...when you were complete in your orienting, you were oriented.
I'll never understand how oriented and orientated could possibly be the same thing...

BH

RD, please read what I wrote....

 

[screaming pete]

I can not believe you all go on and on like this 13 pages

 

[spectras only]

Everyone on RDP, to become a forum member, should take an orientation session before him/her allowed to post!

 

[CampbellCarl]

I can not believe you all go on and on like this 13 pages

It's cannot...

 

[RiverDave]

RD, please read what I wrote....

Why would buildings face the Orient? And what happens if you build on the other side of the street? Oprient? LOL

I can not believe you all go on and on like this 13 pages

In fairness.. There was a lot of us..

 

[CampbellCarl]

Why would buildings face the Orient? And what happens if you build on the other side of the street? Oprient? LOL




In fairness.. There was a lot of us..

Doesn't matter why...it was done that way out of respect and tradition. And, if you built on the other side of the street, your back door would face across the street and your front door would still face the Orient.

Same explanations that you use in describing Schiadas...it is what it is...

 

[was thatguy]

I can not believe you all go on and on like this 13 pages

Point of fact, there was a closed thread first!

Why would buildings face the Orient? And what happens if you build on the other side of the street? Oprient? D

Ever been to Mecca?

 

[Rivertoys]

Doesn't matter why...it was done that way out of respect and tradition. And, if you built on the other side of the street, your back door would face across the street and your front door would still face the Orient.

Same explanations that you use in describing Schiadas...it is what it is...

Wait a minute... wait just a minute here.... The earth is round, the orient is big.... I think you can hit it in just about any direction. :eek

 

[was thatguy]

Wait a minute... wait just a minute here.... The earth is round, the orient is big.... I think you can hit it in about about any direction. :eek

And THATS why I own a globe!!

 

[CampbellCarl]

Wait a minute... wait just a minute here.... The earth is round, the orient is big.... I think you can hit it in about about any direction. :eek

Sssshhhhh...RD's head will explode trying to orientate his way around that thought...

 

[shintoooo]

Using correct grammar and spelling is patriotic.

 

[was thatguy]

Sssshhhhh...RD's head will explode trying to orientate his way around that thought...

Like my wife does when I try to show her why planes fly "over the pole" to hit on rotation.

 

[rivermobster]

Using correct grammar and spelling is patriotic.

So says the shoe bomber...

 

[River Lynchmob]

Wow did this thing grow some legs. I'm not a grammar Nazi, but I know when I read and you're is swapped with your, or then and than, I find myself rereading the sentence because it doesn't make sense, or the flow is off and it is visually wrong. I will fuck around and correct someone...usually only someone I know offline just to screw with them. I know that people write posts and rarely proof read them so I take it for what it is...people being in a hurry and maybe hitting the wrong key. I can understand both sides of the argument and while I choose not to point it out, I know that every time I see a misspelling or the wrong use of the aforementioned words I notice it...punctuation not as much.

I know in business, when I see them in an e mail, on a proposal, on a PO or any other kind of correspondence it really bothers me... just my .02

Carry on

 

[blackbart]

I wish Elie would chime in and yes my grammer sucks

 

[shintoooo]

I know in business, when I see them in an e mail, on a proposal, on a PO or any other kind of correspondence it really bothers me... just my .02

x2. I agree. It depends on the profession however. I don't expect everyone to know how to spell or use correct grammar.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Sssshhhhh...RD's head will explode trying to orientate his way around that thought...

Hey you better watch your ellipsis usage!!!

 

[CampbellCarl]

It's Eli and grammar and SUX

 

[Ragged Edge]

Froggy:deadhorse: Proper grammar and spelling would be important if this was a "How to write a term paper forum". It's a boating forum, as long as you can understand the message the presentation doesn't matter, or shouldn't. If you want to teach, do so in private. When you correct people's grammar and spelling on a public forum you are just calling them out and acting like a douche.

 

[Rivertoys]

I don't expect everyone to know how to spell or use correct grammar.

I just expect if from people who have been to high school in the United States.

 

[Sandlord]

Ok, so I went over to the Fifth Grade English and spelling website to learn proper spelling and pronunciation...

and those fuckers were discussing boats

 

[shintoooo]

I just expect if from people who have been to high school in the United States.

Have you seen the kids that go to high school nowadays? I don't expect anything from them. Pretty sad.

 

[HolyMoly]

People helping people one people at a time. :thumbsup

 

[530RL]

Froggy,

If you had the choice between a girl with great grammar or big tits, which would you take?

Dan

 

[rivermobster]

x2. I agree. It depends on the profession however. I don't expect everyone to know how to spell or use correct grammar.

BNAG!!!!

Wes does a lot of writing to make his living, so he is obsessed with this shit.

Me?

What pisses me off is when someone brings their car in for lets say a complete engine rebuild, WITH AN EMPTY TANK OF GAS!!! I wanna fucking shoot these people sometimes. But, I usually just put gas in out of my pocket and don't say a word about it. Somethings are just better left unsaid...

 

[mbrown2]

x2. I agree. It depends on the profession however. I don't expect everyone to know how to spell or use correct grammar.

Particularly when the folks I am dealing with are Russian, Indian, and or Asian and English may be a 2nd or 3rd language to them. It's all a matter of perspective.

 

[CampbellCarl]

Froggy,

If you had the choice between a girl with great grammar or big tits, which would you take?

Dan

Let's narrow this down a bit...what does the choice determine? Business partner or banging partner?

 

[shintoooo]

Particularly when the folks I am dealing with are Russian, Indian, and or Asian and English may be a 2nd or 3rd language to them. It's all a matter of perspective.

They probably have better grammar than most people born and raised here

 

[was thatguy]

I just expect if from people who have been to high school in the United States.

Hah!!!

Not likely!