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With his seniority, skills and knowledge I'm surprised this accident cost him his job. It's almost like they were looking for a reason so they could replace him with someone that would be paid less to save money.

Sorry to hear Dave
lots of cuts going around everywhere. I doubt seniority had anything to do with it. But like you said, probably any reason to unload some payroll.

he'll find something better. It may be the perfect time for that "fun" job, or possibly just one in a fun place.
 

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You would be good fit at Sterllite , because they’re doing a change over to automate all 53 machines with new ones . And they just let go of their department manager of maintenance at the facility too .
Sounds like a perfect fit with zero effert on my part...TY for the in sight.
I've been in to the plastics industry since 1976 and have learned alot. My biggest battle in today's world is machine issues, logging on the property HMI, and be limited to what parameters you can modify or even follow paths to get to the screen you need. These European manufacturers have a hole different way of reference on their controls and it ain't easy to navigate through at times...
 

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Dave sorry to hear this. Reach out to Wittmann. They have several big projects starting up on the west coast and need help.

Good luck

Jeff
 

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Technical manager, I can pretty much fix anything that is automated. Been in the Plastics industry for 47 years but anything automated is in my path of knowledge. Good people skills as well.
Damn, with that skill set you can knock on a couple doors and have more contract work than you know what to do with. Silver linings Dave. You’ll appreciate this bump in the road as it’s only up from here.

Today between jobs and things I stopped at a lot I’d like to buy some day. Enjoyed the sunset view of the river and imagined my family there. On the way home I reflected on our quality of life , where we are today and where we are going.

And with your post I reflect on what our life would be like if I stuck it out at my old job that I thought was my only way in life. Best of luck, you’ll do great!
 

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With his seniority, skills and knowledge I'm surprised this accident cost him his job. It's almost like they were looking for a reason so they could replace him with someone that would be paid less to save money.

Sorry to hear Dave
Yeah she has always had a hard on for me since she took over. This is a small family, 3rd generation company here. In the last couple of years it's been a real easy position at $150k+bonus year. Her older brother, president at the time, hired me in 2014 at $120k+bonus. He did a good job of taking the company forward with big investments in newer technology equipment. Family/board members were not getting their expected yearly dividends so the voted him out of office and voted the youngest daughter and now President a couple of years ago. Total control 24/7...Real bitch too...I'm already over it...
 
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To be 100% honest that $720 check should have been written back in July when you made the mistake.

I have terminated employees for the same thing. Told them, if you would have brought it to my attention within a couple weeks, no issue. But for me to find out from accounting/finance, I have zero options.
Fair point unfortunately. Of course we all feel badly for SoCal Dave
What is your world? I'm thinking I may like to do something different.
Thats cold bro if I get your meaning.... [Forum disclaimer: we partying up in here. ;)
 

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Same thing sorta happened to me with the fire district credit card and my Amazon account. I wrote a check to cover it within a hour of finding it. The district decided to call the sheriff dept and accuse me of embezzlement.......assholes
Jesus
 

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Just close that door and if you can afford too, take the time to find your next stage of life opportunity. Keep your chin up and trust that something better is just around the corner.
 

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A former boss said this once:

"Abusing your expense account won't make you rich, it will get you fired"

I had done nothing wrong, he was just sharing his wisdom.
Having worked in the big boy sales world for global businesses my bosses always said when I asked them the worst part of their jobs was the expense acct mangement piece. Gotta be real careful with those company cards.
 

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I accidentally used my company card to pay for take out dinner one evening.
A few weeks later the bookkeeper brought it to my attention asking about the charge.

I explained it was accidental as my personal card and my company card look identical.

Luckily I own the company but she still dinged my shareholder account for reimbursement.🤨😁

These things happen but I hold my employees responsible for catching the mistake and being the one to bring it to light first.
Thats the key right there
 

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Yeah she has always had a hard on for me since she took over. This is a small family, 3rd generation company here. In the last couple of years it's been a real easy position at $150k+bonus year. Her older brother, president at the time, hired me in 2014 at $120k+bonus. He did a good job of taking the company forward with big investments in newer technology equipment. Family/board members were not getting their expected yearly dividends so the voted hom out of office and voted the youngest daughter and now President a couple of years ago. Total control 24/7...Real bithch too...I'm all ready over it...
Good feedback on this thread so I'll jump in.... Dave I believe your post here is your ultimate true answer. She was given an opportunity to let you go and took it. There is definitely something called 'Aged Out" and at yur age you need to understand that it's not like when you were in 40s... I recently interviewed for positions I got in my sleep 10-20 years ago and they all passed so it became very apparent I was aged out. As someone mentioned use your network to leverage relationships in your verticle industry... thats your value... especially that acct you said was yours in past. You'll find best results that way. Sorry this happened but it wasn't anything personal... she's a bitch , time passed and thats all.
 

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So sorry to hear this. Judging by how well you did your addition, you are very skilled in a lot of things.

Went through this with my dad a few months back. He just made too much money and they cut the whole department. He now works 32-40 hours a week and adjusted his finances a bit. He was working 60+hours at the other company plus dialysis. I truly believe that him being let go saved him from a heart attack. It was a blessing after all the dust settled.
 

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Good feedback on this thread so I'll jump in.... Dave I believe your post here is your ultimate true answer. She was given an opportunity to let you go and took it. There is definitely something called 'Aged Out" and at yur age you need to understand that it's not like when you were in 40s... I recently interviewed for positions I got in my sleep 10-20 years ago and they all passed so it became very apparent I was aged out. As someone mentioned use your network to leverage relationships in your verticle industry... thats your value... especially that acct you said was yours in past. You'll find best results that way. Sorry this happened but it wasn't anything personal... she's a bitch , time passed and thats all.
I like the opposite of “aged out”. Whenever I can I try to go older. The younger peeps are on the godamn phone. Yeah, I am on it now but my work is done for the night and I am the boss. 😀
Sorry to Dave too. Sounds like the lady is not into talking first.
Last year my accountant made me pay back my own company. I just hit buy now on Amazon not realizing the company card was set to default. About $800 worth of various shit. I thought my Amazon card bill was low but didn’t think much about it. 😀
 

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I like the opposite of “aged out”. Whenever I can I try to go older. The younger peeps are on the godamn phone. Yeah, I am on it now but my work is done for the night and I am the boss. 😀
Sorry to Dave too. Sounds like the lady is not into talking first.
Last year my accountant made me pay back my own company. I just hit buy now on Amazon not realizing the company card was set to default. About $800 worth of various shit. I thought my Amazon card bill was low but didn’t think much about it. 😀
Those company cards are great but troublesome when you have two identical Amex in wallet which was my case some time ago. I went and got a Amex gold colored to differentiate from companies green. @SoCalDave said the charge was in July so how he didn't catch it expensing is rare however his company may not have sophisticated online accounting like Concur as an example. Thats when employees using cards catch those mistakes
 

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Yeah she has always had a hard on for me since she took over. This is a small family, 3rd generation company here. In the last couple of years it's been a real easy position at $150k+bonus year. Her older brother, president at the time, hired me in 2014 at $120k+bonus. He did a good job of taking the company forward with big investments in newer technology equipment. Family/board members were not getting their expected yearly dividends so the voted hom out of office and voted the youngest daughter and now President a couple of years ago. Total control 24/7...Real bithch too...I'm all ready over it...
Very sorry to hear about your setback Dave. I’d go straight to their main competitor and see it “they need help”😎
It’s crazy because there’s a ton of talk about the ongoing “wealth transfer” going on. There’s no talk about how many companies are changing leadership with the founders retiring. I know of 3 that we deal with in the last year. Kids that wanted nothing to do with the family business. Just living off the company and sucking it dry. In all cases they’re f’g up the companies long term growth. Sad stuff.
 

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Sorry to hear. I'm sure you'll have no problem with your skill set. The first thing that crossed my mind was Toro in Riverside, don't even know if the still manufacture there. Good luck.
 

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Dave, things will work out, I'm sure of it. It may not be according to your previous plan, but sometimes for the better. I've been canned twice. Three weeks after my wreck, my boss sends a letter, letting me go because I couldn't say when I'd be back to work...my parents brought me my mail, I was still in ICU. 9 months later, up and running. Had a decent paying full time, state type gig. 6 years in...budget cuts. Letter in the mail. Opened it at the dinner table the night of my Mom's services.

In the grand scheme of things, the jobs were just jobs. They never defined who or what I was. They're all just stepping stones. I was scared and worried at the time, but they lead me to where I am now. Not the path I started on, but turning out for the better.
100%..............a job is just a job. I feel like sometimes we get too wrapped up in our work and it becomes who we are.
 

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Anything at Cambro. The commute would be about the same. I don't have any connections there anymore, or I would give you a recommendation. Best of luck.
 

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Well I gotta look at it this way. They are moving to the Reno area in the next year or so and I didn't plan on moving with them so there's that.
Speaking as a future Texan, that little nugget has some real value. Good luck in your new venture whatever it may be.
 

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At my work everyone had CC's and I never asked for one or showed up to accounting when they said to pick it up.. I'd hand the materials list to the boss to order my stuff.
Over the years guys got in all kind'a trouble with them.
One even got 3 years in prison. He did 1 and a half. Lost a high paying job with bennies and 3/4 of his pension that they cashed out.

One guy in our dune group did the same and only lost his career with some payback to stay outta jail.
Gassed his MoHo,, on and on way beyond that. Sold everything even his home to payback.
 

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At my work everyone had CC's and I never asked for one or showed up to accounting when they said to pick it up.. I'd hand the materials list to the boss to order my stuff.
Over the years guys got in all kind'a trouble with them.
One even got 3 years in prison. He did 1 and a half. Lost a high paying job with bennies and 3/4 of his pension that they cashed out.

One guy in our dune group did the same and only lost his career with some payback to stay outta jail.
Gassed his MoHo,, on and on way beyond that. Sold everything even his home to payback.

Those examples aren’t a credit card problem. It’s straight-up theft. But I will say, I’m glad I never had a company card, aside from when I owned the company, because I’d have undoubtedly screwed up.

I know it’s been said already, but I’d consider talking with an attorney about how this termination went down (though sometimes walking away is the better choice). It seems a warning and opportunity to pay it back would have been appropriate. Age discrimination is real. And, I wouldn’t be posting any negative comments about the ex-boss, ‘cause that won’t help.
 
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Well I gotta look at it this way. They are moving to the Reno area in the next year or so and I didn't plan on moving with them so there's that.

My post was not meant to be an ass. Shit occurs. As you already know, I would try to get the company to mark you are resigned vs terminated. If marked terminated w/cause it will impact future job when a background / job verification is executed.
 

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Sorry about what happened Dave.
This story should be a warning; if you're at a company where there's dire consequences for an accidental charge on their CC - never, ever do them any favors by making a business purchase on your card and requesting reimbursement from them.
 

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when I had one I never carried it unless I was on a business trip.
 

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Sounds like they just wanted to get rid of you. My company card is linked to my Amazon account one day I get an email saying there was a 200 dollar amount charged to the card for a book. Turns out my kid in college bought her book for school on the wrong card in the Amazon check out. Of course I didn't see that it didn't clear my account because 1000 dollars or less I'm not notified of the charges by chase. I do not check my account often because I am in a position that I know that there is always money in the bank. Long story short they wanted to pull it out of my next check. I said cool go ahead. But being the asshole I am I also said moving forward I would bill for every hour I worked 😂 I never bill double time unless it's absolutely necessary. But I answer the phone and emails even on vacation. It never got deducted. I could see if you had a habit of doing it which is cause for termination.
 

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It is so easy to hit the wrong card on Amazon. I have now trained myself after an Amazon purchase to review the details of the purchase just in case I used the wrong card or shipping address. That being said, my wife is the controller at the company and if I screw up it is worse than getting fired. For this very reason, my wife, my business partner and I all have to approve the AMEX company card bill monthly before payment.
 

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Know what's rare? An employee using their personal card by mistake when buying something for their employer... Doesn't happen.

We have many employees who were buying fuel, or were supposed to be buying just fuel. Snacks and drinks kept showing up. Disciplinary actions weren't working. Yanked all the cards for this set of employees. Then I put a huge fuel tank at our shop. No more snacks on the company, our accounting department loved it and I ended up saving some money on the fuel.
 

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Those examples aren’t a credit card problem. It’s straight-up theft. But I will say, I’m glad I never had a company card, aside from when I owned the company, because I’d have undoubtedly screwed up.

I know it’s been said already, but I’d consider talking with an attorney about how this termination went down (though sometimes walking away is the better choice). It seems a warning and opportunity to pay it back would have been appropriate. Age discrimination is real. And, I wouldn’t be posting any negative comments about the ex-boss, ‘cause that won’t help.

No attorney would take it. 1) the owner doesn't know it wasn't theft and 2) irresponsibility as good a reason for termination.

Some fuckups, no matter how innocent, aren't forgivable.

Better to own it and move on.
 

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To be 100% honest that $720 check should have been written back in July when you made the mistake.

I have terminated employees for the same thing. Told them, if you would have brought it to my attention within a couple weeks, no issue. But for me to find out from accounting/finance, I have zero options.
I only allow one lead guy a company card currently. Every other employee has used and abused so now they have to turn in receipts for reimbursement.

They do great work however they cant be trusted with my money.
 

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No attorney would take it. 1) the owner doesn't know it wasn't theft and 2) irresponsibility as good a reason for termination.

Some fuckups, no matter how innocent, aren't forgivable.

Better to own it and move on.

You may be correct, but mistakes do happen, so intent to steal is unclear, and termination without warnings is frowned upon. When the employee is 65 years old, and has had no disciplinary action previously (I’m making an assumption here), age discrimination is a concern. I never would have fired a long-term employee for an incident like this, unless there were extenuating circumstances. All that said, I’m no attorney, just a retired old fart with a little time on his hands. 😊
 

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You may be correct, but mistakes do happen, so intent to steal is unclear, and termination without warnings is frowned upon. When the employee is 65 years old, and has had no disciplinary action previously (I’m making an assumption here), age discrimination is a concern. I never would have fired a long-term employee for an incident like this, unless there were extenuating circumstances. All that said, I’m no attorney, just a retired old fart with a little time on his hands. 😊
No offense to Dave, but we are only getting his side of the story. We don't know what the perspective of the employer was.

Also, assuming this happened in CA, the law here is that absent any formal employment contract, employees are "at will" and the employment can be terminated by either party at any time without or without cause.

No attorney will touch this one.

It sounds like they wanted to get rid of him and found a reason. Working for family-owned businesses is sometimes a risky deal. Family members will always take precedence and other employees are often seen as disposable, especially when they become too old and too expensive. I worked for an asshole like that once. He would get rid of employees once he decided they were too expensive or if they offended him in some way. I was the VP/GM of the company and had gone as far as I was going to go. When his daughter and her boyfriend finally graduated college, he brought them in and I saw the writing on the wall. Bailed out of there before I became a victim of the nepotism.

Sorry, Dave. That's a tough age to be in your situation but if you have a skill set that is in demand, you'll find a place. The new generation isn't bringing that much to the table.
 

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You may be correct, but mistakes do happen, so intent to steal is unclear, and termination without warnings is frowned upon. When the employee is 65 years old, and has had no disciplinary action previously (I’m making an assumption here), age discrimination is a concern. I never would have fired a long-term employee for an incident like this, unless there were extenuating circumstances. All that said, I’m no attorney, just a retired old fart with a little time on his hands. 😊

I've sat on Policy Review (including Termination Appeal) boards.

This case would never have even made it before us because there's no basis for appeal.


And age discrimination seems less likely than the assumption they'd prefer to keep a valued employee if they wanted to.
 

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Call everyone you know, friends, family, competitors, suppliers, etc. to let them know you are available.. I'm 73, still working, by choice, own the company. From my first job in high school, I've never looked for a job. It hasn't mattered whether I was looking or not.
 

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Know what's rare? An employee using their personal card by mistake when buying something for their employer... Doesn't happen.

We have many employees who were buying fuel, or were supposed to be buying just fuel. Snacks and drinks kept showing up. Disciplinary actions weren't working. Yanked all the cards for this set of employees. Then I put a huge fuel tank at our shop. No more snacks on the company, our accounting department loved it and I ended up saving some money on the fuel.
I have this issue now with my guys using the Amex at card as gas stations. Might just go to a 100% gas card, but need one that works National wide.
 

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I have this issue now with my guys using the Amex at card as gas stations. Might just go to a 100% gas card, but need one that works National wide.

That's basically the problem we ran into. Limited on where they can use it. Also, points are either zero or fairly crappy on gas cards. We have that tank and now get fueled delivered and still pay with a credit card racking up the points...
 

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Well I gotta look at it this way. They are moving to the Reno area in the next year or so and I didn't plan on moving with them so there's that.
Screw it, lets buy some old worn out molding machines, find a building where every neighbor hates us, borrow a shit ton of money, buy a bunch of gaylords full of reground material and not tell the customer, and mold some parts. Well get an old pick up truck and box truck to make deliveries that will break down all the time. Well buy some used boxes for pack out, short pay our electricity bill every month, work 20 hr days, and rarely get paid.

I can't wait to relive these 17-24 years of my life. A complaining stepmother optional (well not for me).

I like the Walmart idea or work for Home Depot.
 

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I have this issue now with my guys using the Amex at card as gas stations. Might just go to a 100% gas card, but need one that works National wide.
Before I retired I had a Chevron card. I had to type in the code and mileage. The owner would get the info to track our gas amounts.
 

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Before I retired I had a Chevron card. I had to type in the code and mileage. The owner would get the info to track our gas amounts.
My company uses this. It's an am pm card but will work at any station. Mileage and last 4 of social you get fuel anywhere. Zero points but with our fleet I am sure there are some kind of perks involved.
 

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So my work just told me Friday at 4pm that I need to be on the East Coast Wednesday for a retreat and its mandatory. Fucking clowns. Two days notice.

I need to book my tickets,policy states flights 6 hours or more are Business Class. The flight im looking at on Jetblue is 5 hours and 58 minutes.

Got me second guessing now! 😂 i dont need this type of petty shit for a reason to get termed. But I aint sitting bitch in a middle seat on Spirit either!
 

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sorry Dave


take a month or 2 off.

Go apply for employment at all the local competition companies.

I'd suggest the small Mom and Pop businesses. They can use your experience.

Generate a 3 year proposal contract.

Good luck
 

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Those of you with employees abusing their credit cards, why don't you just take it out of their checks? After a few times, they'll stop doing it.
 

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Already have a lead on a management position at Amcor in Chino. They've been trying to fill the position for some time now and it maybe a good fit for me. Global company and they were one of my top accounts when I was the regional service manager for Husky Injection Molding Systems. As a matter of fact I have a spreadsheet of probably 60-70 molding facilities with contacts at all of them that I could reference to.

If the stars do not align I'll just take what little unemployment pays and work with my nephew a couple days a week for cash and enjoy life.
Back in 2007 I went to work for API Kurt Containers in Commerce. Guy paid my $140k+ benefits to start and after 6 weeks I walked away as I was to do observation only. Bored out of my mind...
Walked about of there and said fuk it, I'm taking some time off to enjoy family as our daughter had our first grandchild. Did whatever I wanted to do for 8 months then took an offer at Nursery Supplies in Orange.

Life is short...
 
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