Goodbye pool, you have served us well, time to move forward.....pool remodel

[ONE-A-DAY]

Drank a lot of beer in this gal, but it's time to take it up a notch and get her ready for full time living soon. Demo starts tomorrow.....

- removing all concrete and replacing with travertine, cool deck sucks
- chipping out the white plaster and replacing with blue sparkly shit
- getting rid of the rocks around the spa that flake off into the pool and going with stack stone and two reflecting pool spillovers into the pool
- adding patio on the back side up to the wall to allow more room for lounge chairs
- converting over to salt
- adding two bar stools around the table

FML, happy wife.......happy life as they say. She lets me by old boats so I gotta do what I gotta do

Progress pics to follow. Ended up going with sandcastle pools to do the work.

 

[FreeBird236]

Good Luck. Sandcastle does good work.

Travertine can become uneven, but still beats cooldeck.

Don't think I would go with saltwater though, know a few people who did away with it after a year or two.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Nice. Post pics of progress.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Good Luck. Sandcastle does good work.

Travertine can become uneven, but still beats cooldeck.

Don't think I would go with saltwater though, know a few people who did away with it after a year or two.

On the salt, I hear ya, on the fence, hate the chlorine though the way it dries out your skin. There are some new things, ionizers that we are considering that cuts chlorine use by 75%

 

[FreeBird236]

On the salt, I hear ya, on the fence, hate the chlorine though the way it dries out your skin. There are some new things, ionizers that we are considering that cuts chlorine use by 75%

I'm not up on new technology, so don't know much about ionizers or if they have ozone for consumers.

What I've never understood is, a saltwater pool is making it's own chlorine from the saltwater, but the salespeople are always saying how much better it is. Maybe there is a little difference, I don't know. Seems to me chlorine is chlorine.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

We have salt at home and chlorine here, big difference

 

[RiverDave]

Two suggestions Walt, would be to add some holes for umbrellas, and do the water features that shoot out of the ground and into the pool! (If your going to be doing the travertine anyways?).

We have three other holes on the edge of our pool and I use the umbrellas all summer long.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I'm not up on new technology, so don't know much about ionizers or if they have ozone for consumers.

What I've never understood is, a saltwater pool is making it's own chlorine from the saltwater, but the salespeople are always saying how much better it is. Maybe there is a little difference, I don't know. Seems to me chlorine is chlorine.

The salt water is the difference.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

The big difference with salt is that it is monitoring it and generating the right amount of chlorine. You aren't spiking when the pool guy comes and drops tons in and then diminishing throughout the week. Not adding a bunch extra in anticipation of the weekend swimming. Also you run your filtration while swimming and its monitoring and generating chlorine as needed. So no spikes. Just the right amount.

I put my arms in pool to pull out new lights and I stink of chlorine pretty bad. When I jumped in the pool the other day we all smelled of chlorine. I can imagine how bad it would be doing real swimming all summer. (Can't put salt in a new pool for a month, so there's a bunch of liquid chlorine in right now)

There are automatic feeders but I don't know of those are sensor or timer based. I think sensor.

The problem with salt seems to be corrosion on the travertine. Seal that stuff up.

Maybe look at ozone but I don't know much about that either. Do some research and maybe talk to your pool guy. You want something that he's going to be able to maintain correctly.

 

[outboardrick]

On the salt, I hear ya, on the fence, hate the chlorine though the way it dries out your skin. There are some new things, ionizers that we are considering that cuts chlorine use by 75%

My old pool was salt and that's what I wanted in the new pool, but Brock at Sandcastle talked me out of it. They put an auto chlorinator on my new pool, just dump some chlorine tabs in it and it adds however much you dial it in at while the pump runs. I got a variable speed pump so it can run on low most the day and add chlorine. We'll see how it works when the pool is done in a month or so.

 

[Sandlord]

Good deal Walt, I cant wait to follow the progress.
My pool in Texas was salt and it was so easy to maintain.
The only thing I had to do was add acid every week or so.
I did take a sample to Leslies every 3-4 week and add some conditioner once in a while.
I may add a pool to my new AZ house, so I cant wait to see how it goes with yours.

 

[elcajones]

On the salt, I hear ya, on the fence, hate the chlorine though the way it dries out your skin. There are some new things, ionizers that we are considering that cuts chlorine use by 75%

Our pool is chloro. Last year our pool guy used a chemical that kept our pool completely algae free and greatly reduced the chlorine needed. The water felt great. I cannot remember the name of the chem, I'll try to find it. It made the water a crystal blue color. It was a little spendy, but well worth it.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Memories

 

[G. Faulk]

I'm not up on new technology, so don't know much about ionizers or if they have ozone for consumers.

What I've never understood is, a saltwater pool is making it's own chlorine from the saltwater, but the salespeople are always saying how much better it is. Maybe there is a little difference, I don't know. Seems to me chlorine is chlorine.

Exactly!!!!

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Two suggestions Walt, would be to add some holes for umbrellas, and do the water features that shoot out of the ground and into the pool! (If your going to be doing the travertine anyways?).

We have three other holes on the edge of our pool and I use the umbrellas all summer long.

Good reminder on umbrella holes, thanks.

On the water features that takes it up a notch with plumbing, more permits and another pump since we have pops up now, a water feature would need a dedicated pump. Cost for the amount of travertine is roughly $15,000 just for the stone, then jackhammering out 1700 square feet of concrete, chipping out all of the plaster, raising the level of the pool up to make up for loss of concrete height, etc., so this thing is adding up quick, gonna pass on any more changes.

 

[jones performance]

cant wait to pee in it

 

[Heylam]

Chlorine is chlorine, the important thing is monitoring it wether you are generating it or adding it. Too much maintenance with a salt system in my opinion, and a properly maintained pool with chlorine is the better way to go.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

All I did when maintaing my salt water pool in AZ was check the levels once a week and clean the skimmer. And that was a hoopty AGP set up.

 

[NicPaus]

What travertine did you go with? Tumbled paver at $9 a ft?

I am picking up 800 sq ft of tomorrow from Marmol. For another job for same buddy that has it around his pool. I will ask how he likes it now that it has been a few years. He used 5 piece versaille pattern around his pool.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

What travertine did you go with? Tumbled paver at $9 a ft?

I am picking up 800 sq ft of tomorrow from Marmol. For another job for same buddy that has it around his pool. I will ask how he likes it now that it has been a few years. He used 5 piece versaille pattern around his pool.

It's a versaille pattern, they call it mocha I believe, the tiles vary in coloe

 

[NicPaus]

It's a versaille pattern, they call it mocha I believe, the tiles vary in coloe

You purchase it in Havasu or local, shit Anaheim is the tile and stone mecca lol. If you have not purchased yet I can ask tomorrow. Local spot is $12 for the stone I am getting tomorrow. On my account through Marmol in Anaheim $7.20 I think the versaille was $4.75.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

You purchase it in Havasu or local, shit Anaheim is the tile and stone mecca lol. If you have not purchased yet I can ask tomorrow. Local spot is $12 for the stone I am getting tomorrow. On my account through Marmol in Anaheim $7.20 I think the versaille was $4.75.

Pool builder is dealing with it

 

[milkmoney]

Hey Walt. Scotch tape said that "WE" will have a pool with our room reservation.
[emoji202][emoji12]

 

[Warlock1]

We did travertine coping around the pool only because it gets slicker than snot when wet. Then we did pavers for the rest of the area.

 

[Melloyellovector]

You purchase it in Havasu or local, shit Anaheim is the tile and stone mecca lol. If you have not purchased yet I can ask tomorrow. Local spot is $12 for the stone I am getting tomorrow. On my account through Marmol in Anaheim $7.20 I think the versaille was $4.75.

Nic, Another place across the street maybe few building up from Marmol, usually considerably less. FYI
If you haven't purchased yet, check it out first.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Pool builder is dealing with it

You should have him call me or call me yourself.
The stone business is what I do. I'll save you $.

 

[GRADS]

Make sure and contact Voodoomedman, he is the resident pool expert.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Make sure and contact Voodoomedman, he is the resident pool expert.

So nobody should ever start any DIY threads around here huh? Never claimed to be an expert.

You really have a way of stinking the place up.

I started a thread for information purposes and to share my process. I could have just done a hey LAM when I was done.

You encouraged me at the beginning to do owner build stating how much builders make for doing nothing. You got your feelings hurt when you Mr. Expert got schooled by real builders who are still in business and I might have thrown some BS call outs too. I've never claimed to be an expert and have even showed my follies.

In fact go look at my thread I just copped to installing my screen logic and losing the pump RPM settings. I fixed it but am terrified of jacking it up and will be looking for help.

I also states from the get go that I would have most likely used Tim and believe him to have a quality product for a fair price. However I just couldn't afford it. I have the time right now for a short window and saved a bucket load of money and the pool turned out way better than I ever imagined.

It would be nice if you left me out of your childish games.

I don't claim to be an expert. Read my words, I just share my experiences. My verbiage is much different then say on something like gun laws where I would consider myself much more savvy.

On being an owner builder I think I did pretty darn great and I would do it again as it was fun and I did learn. You are mad because it started with me questioning the cost of adding a spa. I happen to have the numbers. I also happen to have plenty of ads from SoCal that show adding a spa for 6 grand and not 12. But apples to apples. Apparently you think everyone is a trophy stay at home dad who has plenty of money for all the features so the background looks great while taking pictures with dildos.

Do me one tiny favor and quit following me around and throwing jabs.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Sorry for the hijack One A Day

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Sorry for the hijack One A Day

All good........points well made

 

[HotRod82]

fwiw....I've been running saltwater and "pool-RX" which is a mineral blend with an anode in your pump basket. I maintain 82 degree water with less than 1 ppm chlorine and have no algae issues ever. I don't know why every pool guy in America doesn't sell pool-rx.......it's magic.

 

[GRADS]

So nobody should ever start any DIY threads around here huh? Never claimed to be an expert.

You really have a way of stinking the place up.

I started a thread for information purposes and to share my process. I could have just done a hey LAM when I was done.

You encouraged me at the beginning to do owner build stating how much builders make for doing nothing. You got your feelings hurt when you Mr. Expert got schooled by real builders who are still in business and I might have thrown some BS call outs too. I've never claimed to be an expert and have even showed my follies.

In fact go look at my thread I just copped to installing my screen logic and losing the pump RPM settings. I fixed it but am terrified of jacking it up and will be looking for help.

I also states from the get go that I would have most likely used Tim and believe him to have a quality product for a fair price. However I just couldn't afford it. I have the time right now for a short window and saved a bucket load of money and the pool turned out way better than I ever imagined.

It would be nice if you left me out of your childish games.

I don't claim to be an expert. Read my words, I just share my experiences. My verbiage is much different then say on something like gun laws where I would consider myself much more savvy.

On being an owner builder I think I did pretty darn great and I would do it again as it was fun and I did learn. You are mad because it started with me questioning the cost of adding a spa. I happen to have the numbers. I also happen to have plenty of ads from SoCal that show adding a spa for 6 grand and not 12. But apples to apples. Apparently you think everyone is a trophy stay at home dad who has plenty of money for all the features so the background looks great while taking pictures with dildos.

Do me one tiny favor and quit following me around and throwing jabs.

Like I said, you are the expert.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Like I said, you are the expert.

Have some class and be cool. Walt doesn't need this up in his thread.

 

[NicPaus]

Nic, Another place across the street maybe few building up from Marmol, usually considerably less. FYI
If you haven't purchased yet, check it out first.

Usually one of my first stops. There are a few spots I check first. Marmol is a good spot to send customers when they want to shop, they leave some meat on the bone and have a wealth of knowledge and some quality stone. This order was put in before I knew about the job. He had contact info from last job and was real happy with the stone. Multi piece split face travertine that his designer picked out and is spec-d out in the blueprints. The renderings look great, all I got to do is pick it up and install.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Draining started last night, plaster chipping supposed to start tomorrow morning

 

[YoPengo]

Draining started last night, plaster chipping supposed to start tomorrow morning
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I have the same camera system. [emoji106]

 

[Ziggy]

Pete and Brock will take good care of you Walt:thumbsup. They're building my pool too. Shotcrete scheduled at my house for Monday
.
I saw RD suggested some deck jets...these are mostly for looks and don't really aerate the water. I have three of them going in, but the feature I added to help aerate and cool the water a bit were sprayers under the coping.....but not the production sprinkler type that'll blow everywhere, they'll be custom made to fire off in the directions I want above the water without the wind carrying it all over the patio.

Congrats on the upgrade, not that it looks like you really needed it.:cool

 

[Ziggy]

Have some class and be cool. Walt doesn't need this up in his thread.

Would have been less stressful to just ignore Gregs comment and let it die.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Would have been less stressful to just ignore Gregs comment and let it die.

RD paid us to stir up some drama. He said it's good for business. Increases views or something like that. Problem is I don't get paid for two weeks.

 

[Sawtooth]

Draining started last night, plaster chipping supposed to start tomorrow morning
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Hey ONE-A-DAY question for you, you say "chipping" of the plaster. Is this as in remove all old plaster down to the gunite/shotcrete ? The reason I ask is I have a friend who wants to have his pool in havasu redone and whoever has come to bid on it tells him "we don't do that here in havasu, that's a California thing everybody here sandblasts". He wants it all air hammered/chipped off, is the company you are using to do the remodel handling this or subbing it out to someone else. If you could let me know I would really appreciate it, thanks.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Hey ONE-A-DAY question for you, you say "chipping" of the plaster. Is this as in remove all old plaster down to the gunite/shotcrete ? The reason I ask is I have a friend who wants to have his pool in havasu redone and whoever has come to bid on it tells him "we don't do that here in havasu, that's a California thing everybody here sandblasts". He wants it all air hammered/chipped off, is the company you are using to do the remodel handling this or subbing it out to someone else. If you could let me know I would really appreciate it, thanks.

The old plaster is chipped off down to the gunite and it's going to be re done. They do it with small hand held air chisels, the only way to do it. It would be impossible to sandblast off the plaster. Some companies bead blast pool tile to get rid of the calcium buildup but that's just a maintenance thing. Sandcastle has their own guys who do it, some other pool places sub it out.

 

[BHC Vic]

We are considering a complete remodel of the pool right now. Prices have me kind of shaken. Re plumbing was quite a bit more than expected. Basically the price is like building a brand new pool [emoji15] if I can get my wife onboard we are doing it. If not we will have to wait

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

The party has started......

 

[shueman]

Good thing your doing it now before the donald deports them all ...

 

[AQUA-HOLICS]

Hey ONE-A-DAY question for you, you say "chipping" of the plaster. Is this as in remove all old plaster down to the gunite/shotcrete ? The reason I ask is I have a friend who wants to have his pool in havasu redone and whoever has come to bid on it tells him "we don't do that here in havasu, that's a California thing everybody here sandblasts". He wants it all air hammered/chipped off, is the company you are using to do the remodel handling this or subbing it out to someone else. If you could let me know I would really appreciate it, thanks.

One thing to look out for when having your pool plaster removed by "chipping" with air tools is the amount of Shot Crete that is on the back side of the plaster that's being removed. Flat chisels should only be used not pointed. Too much Shot Crete is removed with pointed chisels, so much that the engineering firms that require the steel size and location are getting concerned about the integrity of the shell due to this. So keep an eye on the amount of Shot Crete that's being removed. Back in the day sand blasting is how plaster was removed. It's a much faster process with chisels but it has it's downfalls if done incorrectly, just my 2 cents,Ray.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

 

[Member: 71]

WOW. Very productive first day.

 

[Sandlord]

updates?
I'll be in town next week. I'll stop by to check it out, and drink your beer.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

updates?
I'll be in town next week. I'll stop by to check it out, and drink your beer.

I'll be here and have 4 beers. The concrete patio and spa boulders comes out Monday and Tuesday, then we lay out the new patio design and the rebuild process starts.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

I'll be here and have 4 beers. The concrete patio and spa boulders comes out Monday and Tuesday, then we lay out the new patio design and the rebuild process starts.

If you need a place to stay the casita is empty