Ford Ecoboost Failure.

[pronstar]

So what's that? Like a day of production at the factory? Wtf.

Given sales volume of 60k F150's per month...that's probably about 10 minutes of production LOL

 

[Uncle Dave]

Not suggesting you're wrong, I do know that numerous "Marine" diesels, Detroit Diesel, Cat and Cummins, all participated in horsepower wars that depending under what conditions the engines were run, resulted in much less than expected or desired longevity. I mention this as a warning to those (including my son) who feel there's little to fear from modding diesels.
A marine 3208 NA Cat, with proper care will last seemingly forever, a 3208T 375 HP Cat, is a ticking time bomb. We had a pair of GM 454 Crusader Marine inboards still running awesome at over 1,800 hours, while boat neighbors were replacing their boosted Cats and Cummins with as little as 500 hours.

I haven't owned a diesel since the mid 80s, I'm guessing that now-a-days it's more highly refined along with reduced sulfur content. But I recall having a lot of problems with algae or some kind of jellyfish looking globs clogging my fuel system. I recall having to run a bio-cide additive to control it. I knew when it started to stumble and blow blue smoke, it was running off of engine oil and not diesel fuel

Agreed on marine HP wars, As a guy from peoria (pekin cross the river actually) there are lots of cats that can be modded a 3208 was never a good choice- you can go from a 30K hour engine to 2-300 hours with the wrong tune.

.and you are right you can actually grow slime in your tank if you let water get in and have to add algaecide, but as long as the fuel isn't contaminated it can sit for a long time and it doesn't really go bad or lose performance unlike gasoline where I have to empty all my float bowls in generators and motorcycles and or add stabil etc..all the while octane is lowering over time, and ethanol now? terrible shit.

For me - by having a work van in the diesel domain I can now run a water cooled diesel genset- light years away form the Air cooled RV oneness that stop running altogether at 110, and with no emission to deal with it gets the "good old days" fuel 20% fuel density advantage and runs far cheaper than its yestertech cousin.

If we stick to road going diesels lots of 500K mile engines towing all the time, gas miils can go a long time now as well thanks to the tech, its a tighter race than it was before- but FOR ME the nod on the long term still goes to the diesel.

Love that cole super hawk.


UD

 

[Taboma]

UD, thanks for the compliment, it's a Nighthawk, but who's going to quibble over a couple of softer, rounder corners

 

[Uncle Dave]

UD, thanks for the compliment, it's a Nighthawk, but who's going to quibble over a couple of softer, rounder corners

This hawk, that hawk- whatever fucking hawk - its just great looking ride.

UD

 

[Quicksilver]

Engine manufacturers are always trying to lighten and make things more efficient.
100 HP/L on a daily driver street engine that's gotta run on crap fuel for 200k miles without dying? Want it to be fuel efficient too? Gonna take a lot of work.

There is a reason Cummins and Detroit have built engines rated at 500hp and have run them for a million miles before an inframe.
Big displacement, big bearings, rock solid engine blocks and low RPM. The sweet spot on a N14 is 1500 RPM.
How long do you think a 14 liter Cummins would last if you bumped it from 500HP to 1400?

If they can't fix your truck because there's no parts, make them Lemon Law it. I wouldn't want to own it when it pops.. Again.

Automakers in general are trying to cut weight wherever they can to get better fuel economy. What sucks is that they are sacrificing longevity when parts are not built heavy duty enough. I had a newer car that warped the front brake rotors in less than 20,000 miles because the rotors were too small. Had they been larger and heavier rotors they would have lasted the usual 60,000 miles or so I'm used to. Same goes for rear ends in trucks. I haven't cooked any but I have friends that have in their half tons. My daily driver is my old 1988 Mazda that is so overbuilt it isn't funny.

 

[minijeep]

Automakers in general are trying to cut weight wherever they can to get better fuel economy. What sucks is that they are sacrificing longevity when parts are not built heavy duty enough. I had a newer car that warped the front brake rotors in less than 20,000 miles because the rotors were too small. Had they been larger and heavier rotors they would have lasted the usual 60,000 miles or so I'm used to. Same goes for rear ends in trucks. I haven't cooked any but I have friends that have in their half tons. My daily driver is my old 1988 Mazda that is so overbuilt it isn't funny.

I have 150k on the brakes of my 2500 HD towing all summer and desert season. I keep freaking out that they have lasted this long, but they aren't warped or low on pads. Fing amazes me, but as long as she stops!

 

[pronstar]

I have 150k on the brakes of my 2500 HD towing all summer and desert season. I keep freaking out that they have lasted this long, but they aren't warped or low on pads. Fing amazes me, but as long as she stops!

I've read so many reports of brake longevity on GM trucks, it's amazing. I don't know how they do it.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I have 150k on the brakes of my 2500 HD towing all summer and desert season. I keep freaking out that they have lasted this long, but they aren't warped or low on pads. Fing amazes me, but as long as she stops!

I've read so many reports of brake longevity on GM trucks, it's amazing. I don't know how they do it.

My dad's old '04 2500HD had 190k + when he sold it on the original pads that were only about 60% worn and he towed his 13k toyhauler at least every other weekend.

 

[shan]

Burnish matters. How things are treating when they are new, or green, effects their longevity.

 

[77charger]

I have 150k on the brakes of my 2500 HD towing all summer and desert season. I keep freaking out that they have lasted this long, but they aren't warped or low on pads. Fing amazes me, but as long as she stops!

165k here on mine 2500hd.Its mainly used for towing toyhauler or camper and boat to river.

6.0 gasser slow on the hills but gets me there.

 

[530RL]

26 pages and not a thought yet about putting a 3.5 litre ecoboom in the new Ford GT and pumping it up to 650 HP.

Makes me like my 5.4 litre even more.

 

[pronstar]

26 pages and not a thought yet about putting a 3.5 litre ecoboom in the new Ford GT and pumping it up to 650 HP.

Makes me like my 5.4 litre even more.

Considering the 3.5 Ecoboost won the 12 Hours of Sebring, Rolex 24 at Daytona, and will run the 24 Hours of Le Mans and the TUDOR sports car championship series this year, I'd say it's got a pretty good pedigree :thumbup:

It's not like they're putting a truck engine in the GT...it's Roush-built and share more parts with the Taurus SHO (pretty amazing sleeper car) than theF150.

From what I've read, the Ford GT with the 3.5 Ecoboost can also pull a big boat up Chiraco Summit in the summer at any speed you'd car to drive

 

[530RL]

Considering the 3.5 Ecoboost won the 12 Hours of Sebring, Rolex 24 at Daytona, and will run the 24 Hours of Le Mans and the TUDOR sports car championship series this year, I'd say it's got a pretty good pedigree :thumbup:

It's not like they're putting a truck engine in the GT...it's Roush-built and share more parts with the Taurus SHO (pretty amazing sleeper car) than theF150.

From what I've read, the Ford GT with the 3.5 Ecoboost can also pull a big boat up Chiraco Summit in the summer at any speed you'd car to drive

I'm more worried about the 25th hour.

I was offered a new one and passed. The store that offered me one is only getting one. I think he keeps it, just like his LFA. They look cool, but I think they end up like the lexus LFA. Still a bunch owned by dealers and you can buy them for lower than original cost. At least I can drive my 2006 GT any time I want and I have friends with more than 50k on them.

To me, just another over technology super car. Really cool and looks neat but plenty to choose from for 375 to 400k. I'm not sure that thing is gonna be very useful. If I was gonna drop that money at my age, I think I would take an F12 but Penske in town will not sell you one even if you have cash. You have to buy a bunch of used cars for the "privilege" of getting a new Ferrari. Marchionne is right to want to raise production.

It will be really low production though. Who knows?

 

[Ziggy]

I have no idea honestly. They said they would charge me warranty labor rates. So I hope so. At this rate I'll find out never. Lol.

Half to you means it's costing them 1/3rd

 

[Outdrive1]

Half to you means it's costing them 1/3rd

I have no doubt about that.

 

[Outdrive1]

Here's some updated pics. Day 55. [emoji106]

FML

 

[NicPaus]

Here's some updated pics. Day 55. [emoji106] View attachment 439304 View attachment 439305 View attachment 439306

FML

Looks just like a 6.0 getting worked on. Hope they get you back on the road soon.

 

[ColdSteel]

Looks just like a 6.0 getting worked on. Hope they get you back on the road soon.

Comparing it to a 6.0? Not nice..

Looks like a fun job to do.. Yikes..
Room for a 2nd turbo under there?

 

[minijeep]

Here's some updated pics. Day 55. [emoji106] View attachment 439304 View attachment 439305 View attachment 439306

FML

Man when it comes apart that far, you just hope they can get it back together the same way. I always worry about shit like that anytime I have people work on my stuff!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I cannot believe a half ton V6 powered truck has to have the cab pulled to do any substantial motor work.

 

[mjc]

I just talked to my neighbor that work at the ford dealer tonight and he is still waiting for a motor for one he has broken.

 

[riverroyal]

Fuck no. You need to start threatening a lawyer. That's ridiculous. It looks like a assembly line blew up. What dealer is this? Those pics should be at some ford bosses desk, you need a replacement.. I'm sure a judge would agree

 

[riverroyal]

For one issue? Doesn't matter the size of the issue. They are allowed 30 days, that's it. It's a lemon now. Check the laws on this, you can get a new truck. Ford won't challenge this, goes on the record. Soon as the area rep get involved they will get you in another one to avoid the record.
No way in hell I'd drive that after this tear down, no way. Something will go wrong, electrical, vibrations you name it.
Damn that's crazy

 

[BeerMaker]

Here's some updated pics. Day 55. [emoji106] View attachment 439304 View attachment 439305 View attachment 439306

FML

Holy fawk. Ive never seen a dealer tear that far into a vehicle before. Makes ya wonder how man "extra bolts" they will have at the end. sorry bro.

 

[Outdrive1]

For one issue? Doesn't matter the size of the issue. They are allowed 30 days, that's it. It's a lemon now. Check the laws on this, you can get a new truck. Ford won't challenge this, goes on the record. Soon as the area rep get involved they will get you in another one to avoid the record.
No way in hell I'd drive that after this tear down, no way. Something will go wrong, electrical, vibrations you name it.
Damn that's crazy

Not sure AZ has the same laws as CA. Also it was 2k out of warranty. So they really don't have liability.

As far as how well it will run or last. I'm skeptical. I don't even want it at this point. But I also don't want another Ford. So they offered to take it on trade and let me purchase a new one on the X plan. Somehow I see my end result being I get a new truck and owe more money.

 

[riverroyal]

It's a consumer rights law. So out of warranty and they are picking up the repair costs? Trade it in. Any discount you can get on another is better than nothing. Maybe do a 3 year lease on the 'x' plan. Then swap brands. Or go with a V8, maybe F250 diesel?
That sucks, I would be changing brands also

 

[Squirtsfar]

This entire situation is F----- !!! I hope you get out of this mess without loosing your ass!!! It still is amazing to me that manufactures get away with this shit! Ford should be held accountable for this!

Still (knock on wood) we have 4 of the Eco-Boost trucks at work. Two of them with over 100,000/miles and no major problems yet. Mine is at 55,000/miles and seems to be going strong.

 

[OCMerrill]

It's a consumer rights law. So out of warranty and they are picking up the repair costs? Trade it in. Any discount you can get on another is better than nothing. Maybe do a 3 year lease on the 'x' plan. Then swap brands. Or go with a V8, maybe F250 diesel?
That sucks, I would be changing brands also

Ford is sharing in the costs but nothing up front has been stated so when this is over I sure hope they keep the $$ real.


Seeing those pictures... makes me think it's a good thing for the seller that Carfax does not include pictures of repairs like this on their reports. Damn.

That's nearly a slaughter or a frame off restoration. I truly hope for the frame off resto quality.

 

[PVHCA]

Hope the part leaning against the LF wheel doesn't scratch it, just sayin!!

 

[Ibeplumbing]

dude you have had the worst luck with Fords. Hopefully you get this shit all resolved soon

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ugh. Sitting apart that long, it will have a bunch of hard to fix problems down the road. HVAC and heater core issues come to mind.

 

[Deja_Vu]

Sorry to read all this. Take a look at this site for Az Lemon Law info.

I understand you are beyond the warranty, but I've seen ford good will stuff beyond the warranty period.

http://www.keytlaw.com/lemon-law/

 

[Outdrive1]

Hope the part leaning against the LF wheel doesn't scratch it, just sayin!!

Oh I saw that. My drivers side window is down. My front bumper is on the ground too. Three areas that I made mental note of. I would assume they will clean the truck or have it detailed. If my rim is scratched they will be replacing it. And if my bumper has a scratch in it they will be painting it.

Probably the one that worries me the most is the big aluminum thing against the front wheel.

 

[Outdrive1]

So from what I read. Ford warranties repairs for 24k or two years. You can bet your ass anything that goes wrong over the next two years is going to have something to do with it being disassembled. Now that I'm under warranty again. I will try and get it lemon lawed or replaced because you can bet your ass if I so much as think I hear a strange noise from the truck it will be at the dealer.


And mother fucker Phil. Now I'm pissed about my rim. Those platinum rims are expensive as fuck. It really shouldn't be a leaning post for random pieces of metal.

 

[PVHCA]

So from what I read. Ford warranties repairs for 24k or two years. You can bet your ass anything that goes wrong over the next two years is going to have something to do with it being disassembled. Now that I'm under warranty again. I will try and get it lemon lawed or replaced because you can bet your ass if I so much as think I hear a strange noise from the truck it will be at the dealer.


And mother fucker Phil. Now I'm pissed about my rim. Those platinum rims are expensive as fuck. It really shouldn't be a leaning post for random pieces of metal.

That's the shit that catches my eyes, sorry.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I cannot believe a half ton V6 powered truck has to have the cab pulled to do any substantial motor work.

Are. You. Serious?

Had to take the cab off to do service? GTFO

 

[SummitKarl]

So from what I read. Ford warranties repairs for 24k or two years. You can bet your ass anything that goes wrong over the next two years is going to have something to do with it being disassembled. Now that I'm under warranty again. I will try and get it lemon lawed or replaced because you can bet your ass if I so much as think I hear a strange noise from the truck it will be at the dealer.


And mother fucker Phil. Now I'm pissed about my rim. Those platinum rims are expensive as fuck. It really shouldn't be a leaning post for random pieces of metal.

had issues with mine at the start, financed through FoMoCo. I went back 5 times for the same thing (brakes grinding), said ok 5 times now replace it, 3 mo of B.S. later I called the regional sales mgr, said I am stopping payment and good luck finding the truck, they said that will ruin your credit, I said don't care about that I care about the $23k POS you sold me.. they sent me a new VIN the next morning for the replacement, I said good, now put the SVO-351 in it

when the money stops the action starts

 

[Outdrive1]

That's brake fluid now that I look again. I'm livid.

 

[OCMerrill]

That's brake fluid now that I look again. I'm livid. View attachment 439363

Sure doesn't look like the tech working on the thing is showing a ton of respect.

 

[Blubyu]

Brake fluid is one of the nastiest fluids out there... That stuff eats just about everything.

Ugh, that makes me mad.

 

[Quicksilver]

When the engine blew, did it get metal in the oil? If so, are they replacing the turbo and lines as well?

 

[DLow]

I gotta tell ya, this whole deal sucks. Take lots of pictures throughout the rebuild.

 

[Outdrive1]

When the engine blew, did it get metal in the oil? If so, are they replacing the turbo and lines as well?

I have no clue at this point. It broke a piston skirt so it never really quit running. That being said the skirt ended up in the pan.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ugh the whole brake system is probably screwed now too... You know the woo t fully flush it either.. Just top you off until you come back saying the brakes feel like shit.

 

[milkmoney]

Sure doesn't look like the tech working on the thing is showing a ton of respect.

I was going to say the same thing , jus doesn't even look like a ford garage to me

I know how Paul is about his stuff and jus like me , I would be losing it.

Sorry for luck on this Paul. [emoji107]
Sure makes u think about ford , ford fan here , but I guess all 3 have their problems.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

After you get the truck back , take it to a reputable independent mechanic and have him look it over carefully ! I had an engine replaced in
Chevy truck under warranty by the dealer , when I got it home, put it on a rack and saw that ALL the transmission bolts were only just started in their threads ! A couple other missing and loose bolts here and there ... after that , it's been fine .

 

[Wbinder]

I've got a f159 ecoboost with 100,000 miles and a vw Jetta tdi, better go buy a lottery ticket today

 

[Paul65k]

Maybe I am the minority, but I use my trucks as a truck. WTF buys a truck and doesn't need a truck? Who prances around with a truck and doesn't haul stuff or tow stow with it most of the time? I do not understand this if it is happening. There are really cool SUV's and cars that can make do as pretend trucks, why buy a truck and only use it as a truck 5% of the time???

Well I guess that's me.....I have a truck (Chevy Avalanche) that I bought new and only use the "Truck" part when I launch and retrieve the boat, tow the toy trailer, when I get something big at Home Depot/Lowe's and every now and then when I need a load of rock or something.......other than that I use it like a car, which is probably more like 80% of the time[emoji6].

The weird thing about this is that I have a BUNCH of friends that do exactly the same thing. I'm guessing that at least 50% of he people buying trucks, especially 4 door trucks use them more as a car than a truck......this is likely why truck sales have increased so dramatically in the past 20 years.....but maybe someone in the auto industry can shed a little more light on this. [emoji106]

 

[ChevelleSB406]

Well I guess that's me.....I have a truck (Chevy Avalanche) that I bought new and only use the "Truck" part when I launch and retrieve the boat, tow the toy trailer, when I get something big at Home Depot/Lowe's and every now and then when I need a load of rock or something.......other than that I use it like a car, which is probably more like 80% of the time[emoji6].

The weird thing about this is that I have a BUNCH of friends that do exactly the same thing. I'm guessing that at least 50% of he people buying trucks, especially 4 door trucks use them more as a car than a truck......this is likely why truck sales have increased so dramatically in the past 20 years.....but maybe someone in the auto industry can shed a little more light on this. [emoji106]

My friends and I have talked about this a few times. My take is based on a bit of logic, my 7 years selling them, certainly not an official GM statement. First thing, pickup trucks in the 80's and earlier, I think is safe to say weren't good daily vehicles. Uncomfortable, utilitarian, basic, and usually regular cab, far from ideal for a family truckster. Now a days, air conditioned seats and all that good stuff, crew cabs in half ton series, all this good stuff used to be only in the SUV's, now are a welcome standard in the pickup.

When I was selling, often times people would balk at a 40k Tahoe in 2004, but then realized they could get literally the same thing in every way except for a third row seat for 9k cheaper in a half ton crew. I sold many trucks in that situation. I think the economy of the truck in comparison to the SUV has had as much to do with their rise in popularity just as much as the nice equipment and comfy ride that they offer. Many families realize with one or two kids, they don't need a suburban like they thought they did in the 90's, but back then that was the comfy option, now the truck itself has all the same, one less row, more storage, and everyone gets what they want. I personally am still rocking my loaded 2004 Silverado 1500, and the only regret I have is getting ext cab rather than crew, but this is right when they came out and they looked funny to me still. A friend just got a 2015 crew LTZ from Jason Holley and I am looking forward to when I can update here in this new body style.

 

[AzGeo]

You sir are a better man than I . I would already be in jail for either "driving through the showroom window, or shooting up the dealership" . I cannot fathom the reasoning behind all the 'foot dragging, 50-50 BS, and delays' by the Ford Motor Company . Do they think you will stay quiet and not tell your friends and neighbors about their treatment of you ?

If they sold a million trucks with the same motor and all of them have had no problems, this one has and it requires as much respect and attention as when it sold new, and they took your money .

If the owner 'beat the shit out of it', never 'changed the oil', did not respect the machine, then Ford COULD have a reason to QUESTION their roll in covering this problem . But that IS NOT the case, and frankly I have re-learned my lesson here .

It also has occurred to me that the local Ford store (in Havasu) EXPECTS the city to give them 'local business treatment' when purchasing city vehicles, yet in this case and others I know of, the same 'local dealer' gives no 'local business treatment' to Ford/GM owners when it comes time to 'spread the wealth' . What they ask the public to do for them, they will not do for their own customers .

Ford has made it for the past 108+ years without me, and I without them . It's going to stay that way ...

GOOD LUCK TO YOU !