For the Real Estate Drop in sales and price Naysayers HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS

[TimeBandit]

Bank statements provide a detailed financial picture that not even credit report will give you. I wouldn’t rent my house without seeing the last three month of a tenant bank statements. Best way - IMO to verify income, expenses, and to see how reoccurring expenses such as rent, car, credit card, and disposable income are used.

This ^^

I took a one day "landlord" class at the local community college, the instructor has many "rent houses" as he calls them.

He asks applicants how much they make, how much they have in savings AND for 3 months of statements. When he gets pushback he just moves on to the next.

I have had a great tenant in mine for 7 years, I already have the August rent check in hand.

 

[rivrrts429]

There are many good renters out there for many different reasons, so this is a generalization.

But If they were perfect with finances, they would not be looking for a rental. Anyone can make money and spend it. It’s part of the picture for sure, but there are many factors to look at.

There is a lot more truth than not to what you’re saying, however, I have met a crazy amount of people who could own but choose not to.

My tenants choose not to own. Their past behavior indicates the move to a different part of the country every five years. They just enjoy new beginnings every 5-7 years. Very responsible people that don’t view home ownership as a necessity for themselves.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There is a lot more truth than not to what you’re saying, however, I have met a crazy amount of people who could own but choose not to.

My tenants choose not to own. There past behavior indicates the move to a different part of the country every five years. They just enjoy new beginnings every 5-7 years. Very responsible people that don’t view home ownership as a necessity for themselves.

I agree 100%. It’s a gift when you find those people.

 

[rivrrts429]

I agree 100%. It’s a gift when you find those people.

I thought it would be a lot more difficult to find but, knock on wood, I’ve been fortunate so far.

It doesn’t hurt that my rental is in a highly desirable area and school district.

 

[Havasu blue label]

There are many good renters out there for many different reasons, so this is a generalization.

But If they were perfect with finances, they would not be looking for a rental. Anyone can make money and spend it. It’s part of the picture for sure, but there are many factors to look at.

Please explain

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Please explain

How many renters have 0 debt, $50k+ cash in the bank for emergencies, a 800+ credit score, and a solid job or income?

There aren’t many of those that aren’t senior citizens. Those people usually buy houses.

 

[PlumLoco]

In Redlands we are close to hospitals in Redlands, Loma Linda, Berdoo, Riverside, Fontana, MoVal, and not too far from a few others. We rent to traveling nurses and other healthcare workers. They essentially come pre-vetted, you know they have a job, they are hardly ever home, they usually live alone, they are responsible if things don't work out they are usually on 13 week contracts so they don't stay long. It has worked out wonderfully for us. Word of mouth and Facebook have kept it occupied non-stop for almost four years now.

 

[hallett21]

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[Javajoe]

In Redlands we are close to hospitals in Redlands, Loma Linda, Berdoo, Riverside, Fontana, MoVal, and not too far from a few others. We rent to traveling nurses and other healthcare workers. They essentially come pre-vetted, you know they have a job, they are hardly ever home, they usually live alone, they are responsible if things don't work out they are usually on 13 week contracts so they don't stay long. It has worked out wonderfully for us. Word of mouth and Facebook have kept it occupied non-stop for almost four years now.

People list on FurnishedFinders for Traveling Nurses. Great website. They rent to other occupations also.

 

[Runs2rch]

How many renters have 0 debt, $50k+ cash in the bank for emergencies, a 800+ credit score, and a solid job or income?

There aren’t many of those that aren’t senior citizens. Those people usually buy houses.

I would say 0/10 Bob.

 

[Orange Juice]

How many renters have 0 debt, $50k+ cash in the bank for emergencies, a 800+ credit score, and a solid job or income?

There aren’t many of those that aren’t senior citizens. Those people usually buy houses.

$50k is not that much, if you’re looking at buying a home. Probably need $100k.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

$50k is not that much, if you’re looking at buying a home. Probably need $100k.

No you know why they are renting.

 

[HNL2LHC]

$50k is not that much, if you’re looking at buying a home. Probably need $100k.

There are 5% down and I think that I saw a 3%. It is doable if the buyer is smart with money. But the low down will require you to have PMI. I hate when places like Hawaii make claims that the younger generation can’t buy a home. That is BS and they are setting up to have more government funding and programs. I just had this discussion with a friend from Hawaii that lives in San Diego. He is so worried about his kids adn where they will be able to afford. LOL. The wife and I didn‘t have a pot to piss in when married but we had goals and did what needed to get ahead.

You can do it!!!!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There are 5% down and I think that I saw a 3%. It is doable if the buyer is smart with money. But the low down will require you to have PMI. I hate when places like Hawaii make claims that the younger generation can’t buy a home. That is BS and they are setting up to have more government funding and programs. I just had this discussion with a friend from Hawaii that lives in San Diego. He is so worried about his kids adn where they will be able to afford. LOL. The wife and I didn‘t have a pot to piss in when married but we had goals and did what needed to get ahead.

You can do it!!!!!

His real worry is his kids won’t be able to afford a house near him. Raise them to think critically and they will probably realize either CA is worth it and they will experience everything that goes along with living there.. or they will realize they can have a better quality of life living elsewhere.

 

[Uncle Dave]

There are many good renters out there for many different reasons, so this is a generalization.

But If they were perfect with finances, they would not be looking for a rental. Anyone can make money and spend it. It’s part of the picture for sure, but there are many factors to look at.

Ive got a good one.

Ive got a high end dentist that owns his own practice in my place. G-wagen in driveway.
He's a conservative Iranian guy - supremely cool as has been my relationship with that community since I moved to so Cal.

He owns a place he rents now across town - he moved his practice to the Westside and rented my place till he could find his own, but then got boxed in with nothing in his range worth buying close to his practice an hugely raising rates.

The house he walked into was never nicer than the day I moved out - he got a new cool roof, new insulation, new windows, new AC (house never had ac only window shakers) the rent payment is less than it would costs him to buy.

Guy's totally high class. and the kind of guy id hang out with.

Did he do it "perfectly" prob not, but hes doing ok for himself for sure.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ive got a good one.

Ive got a high end dentist that owns his own practice in my place. G-wagen in driveway.
He's a conservative Iranian guy - supremely cool as has been my relationship with that community since I moved to so Cal.

He owns a place he rents now across town - he moved his practice to the Westside and rented my place till he could find his own, but then got boxed in with nothing in his range worth buying close to his practice an hugely raising rates.

The house he walked into was never nicer than the day I moved out - he got a new cool roof, new insulation, new windows, new AC (house never had ac only window shakers) the rent payment is less than it would costs him to buy.

Guy's totally high class. and the kind of guy id hang out with.

Did he do it "perfectly" prob not, but hes doing ok for himself for sure.

Score UG!

 

[pronstar]

My RE mentor’s favorite renter, his homes are all in good school districts:

Married hispanic construction worker (illegal is fine) with work history, one or two kids old enough to go to the local school.

His rationale:
They don’t have a lot of options, so if you put the family in a good home and close to school, they’ll stay. And he finds they take care of the home because they want to be there.

 

[Cdog]

My RE mentor’s favorite renter, his homes are all in good school districts:

Married hispanic construction worker (illegal is fine) with work history, one or two kids old enough to go to the local school.

His rationale:
They don’t have a lot of options, so if you put the family in a good home and close to school, they’ll stay. And he finds they take care of the home because they want to be there.

I call them single mom neighborhoods. Close to good schools & shopping. The good side of town next neighborhood over from the expensive neighborhood.

Cops, firefighters & teachers live in these kind of neighborhoods. Sense of pride & safe

 

[c_land]

My RE mentor’s favorite renter, his homes are all in good school districts:

Married hispanic construction worker (illegal is fine) with work history, one or two kids old enough to go to the local school.

His rationale:
They don’t have a lot of options, so if you put the family in a good home and close to school, they’ll stay. And he finds they take care of the home because they want to be there.

His secret is out! Take a look at this. The guy is creating a fund that only buys in top rated school districts.

Scholastic Capital

Investing in Single Family Homes in 10/10 School Districts. Follow along if you'd like more information about investing, or want to watch a fund creation process

scholastic-capital.beehiiv.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

His secret is out! Take a look at this. The guy is creating a fund that only buys in top rated school districts.

Scholastic Capital

Investing in Single Family Homes in 10/10 School Districts. Follow along if you'd like more information about investing, or want to watch a fund creation process

scholastic-capital.beehiiv.com

Boom!

 

[Sportin' Wood]

How many renters have 0 debt, $50k+ cash in the bank for emergencies, a 800+ credit score, and a solid job or income?

There aren’t many of those that aren’t senior citizens. Those people usually buy houses.

I have a friend who is a unicorn. He and his wife have been married for almost 30 years, He has held a federal job as far back as I remember, and his wife makes decent coin and maintains a steady career. They keep one good running car and mostly ride bikes to work. They live in an expensive beach town and pay rent.

They don't make a lot of money, but they have steady incomes and with the exception of the small house they live in across the street from the beach, they don't live an extravagant life. I think they have rented that house for 10-plus years.

I asked him about 20 years ago why they never bought a house. He said we never will buy a house. He had a laundry list of reasons they did not want to buy, most of it made a lot of sense for the lifestyle they live. The thing that struck me was his focus on fixed monthly costs. He does not deal with maintenance or repairs, and he does not do "Home improvements" They maintain a small garden, but they don't landscape, make trips to Home Depot, or even mow the grass.

He knows what his monthly nut has been for as long as I know him. He invests long in the market, of course conservatively. They will be fine when they retire.

He is a solid renter, but he doesn't turn a single screw on the house he lives in. Homeownership was just not in his cards.

 

[Paradox]

I have a friend who is a unicorn. He and his wife have been married for almost 30 years, He has held a federal job as far back as I remember, and his wife makes decent coin and maintains a steady career. They keep one good running car and mostly ride bikes to work. They live in an expensive beach town and pay rent.

They don't make a lot of money, but they have steady incomes and with the exception of the small house they live in across the street from the beach, they don't live an extravagant life. I think they have rented that house for 10-plus years.

I asked him about 20 years ago why they never bought a house. He said we never will buy a house. He had a laundry list of reasons they did not want to buy, most of it made a lot of sense for the lifestyle they live. The thing that struck me was his focus on fixed monthly costs. He does not deal with maintenance or repairs, and he does not do "Home improvements" They maintain a small garden, but they don't landscape, make trips to Home Depot, or even mow the grass.

He knows what his monthly nut has been for as long as I know him. He invests long in the market, of course conservatively. They will be fine when they retire.

He is a solid renter, but he doesn't turn a single screw on the house he lives in. Homeownership was just not in his cards.

We sold our primary long time home 16 months ago. My wife essentially retired last October and I was intending to do likewise in early 2025. The plan was to move into the Havasu house full time. That said, I’m now rethinking it. I like working and actually look forward to going in. I may now continue on into 2027 or later.

The upshot is we’re renting for the first time since the 80s and frankly, I too am liking it. Something to be said for having a fixed cost, no maintenance and, what amounts to an entirely trouble free living arrangement.

As noted by Sportin Wood, the freedom to live wherever you want is also nice. We’re currently in Valencia but are talking about moving to the beach later this year. I‘ve recently seen decent rentals in Playa Del Rey, Marina Del Rey, Redondo and San Pedro. Perhaps we’ll try it for a year and then try something else (the mountains come to mind) the following year.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I have a friend who is a unicorn. He and his wife have been married for almost 30 years, He has held a federal job as far back as I remember, and his wife makes decent coin and maintains a steady career. They keep one good running car and mostly ride bikes to work. They live in an expensive beach town and pay rent.

They don't make a lot of money, but they have steady incomes and with the exception of the small house they live in across the street from the beach, they don't live an extravagant life. I think they have rented that house for 10-plus years.

I asked him about 20 years ago why they never bought a house. He said we never will buy a house. He had a laundry list of reasons they did not want to buy, most of it made a lot of sense for the lifestyle they live. The thing that struck me was his focus on fixed monthly costs. He does not deal with maintenance or repairs, and he does not do "Home improvements" They maintain a small garden, but they don't landscape, make trips to Home Depot, or even mow the grass.

He knows what his monthly nut has been for as long as I know him. He invests long in the market, of course conservatively. They will be fine when they retire.

He is a solid renter, but he doesn't turn a single screw on the house he lives in. Homeownership was just not in his cards.

Renting is the ultimate subscription in your life. It works for some people. I have a few friends that never want to own a house for those reasons.

 

[badgas]

Post the mls and let’s compare

3160 Silver Arrow Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86406 | Zillow

This 1625 square feet Single Family home has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. It is located at 3160 Silver Arrow Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ.

www.zillow.com

Was 3/3

321 Cottonwood Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 | Zillow

321 Cottonwood Dr, Lake Havasu City AZ, is a Single Family home that contains 1818 sq ft and was built in 1995.It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $645,000 in July 2023. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $692,800, which has increased by $4,426 in the last 30...

www.zillow.com

And a 3/2 with no RV

3335 Roadrunner Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86406 | Zillow

3335 Roadrunner Dr, Lake Havasu City AZ, is a Single Family home that contains 1754 sq ft and was built in 2004.It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $701,000 in July 2023. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $752,900, which has increased by $4,735 in the last 30...

www.zillow.com

none are $350K btw

 

[Havasu blue label]

3160 Silver Arrow Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86406 | Zillow

This 1625 square feet Single Family home has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. It is located at 3160 Silver Arrow Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ.

www.zillow.com

Was 3/3

321 Cottonwood Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 | Zillow

321 Cottonwood Dr, Lake Havasu City AZ, is a Single Family home that contains 1818 sq ft and was built in 1995.It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $645,000 in July 2023. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $692,800, which has increased by $4,426 in the last 30...

www.zillow.com

And a 3/2 with no RV

3335 Roadrunner Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86406 | Zillow

3335 Roadrunner Dr, Lake Havasu City AZ, is a Single Family home that contains 1754 sq ft and was built in 2004.It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $701,000 in July 2023. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $752,900, which has increased by $4,735 in the last 30...

www.zillow.com

none are $350K btw

Very cool someone made money

 

[badgas]

Very cool someone made money

I didn't notice if they made a profit. I just noticed that that those homes are still really expensive and closing in the $650K range

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

3160 Silver Arrow Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86406 | Zillow

This 1625 square feet Single Family home has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. It is located at 3160 Silver Arrow Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ.

www.zillow.com

Was 3/3

321 Cottonwood Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 | Zillow

321 Cottonwood Dr, Lake Havasu City AZ, is a Single Family home that contains 1818 sq ft and was built in 1995.It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $645,000 in July 2023. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $692,800, which has increased by $4,426 in the last 30...

www.zillow.com

And a 3/2 with no RV

3335 Roadrunner Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86406 | Zillow

3335 Roadrunner Dr, Lake Havasu City AZ, is a Single Family home that contains 1754 sq ft and was built in 2004.It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $701,000 in July 2023. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $752,900, which has increased by $4,735 in the last 30...

www.zillow.com

none are $350K btw

Those are the reason I’ll just buy another house and not bother building a RV garage and add a pool to mine.

 

[billt]

I think today's mortgage rates are killing off A LOT of new buyers, and / or people who want to upgrade their standard of living. It's one thing to borrow well into 6 figures to purchase a home at 2.6%. It's quite another to pay almost 7% for the same amount of money.

Their payments end up too high, and they get knocked out of the box, and wind up not getting the loan. There are some lending institutions that are still remembering the pain from the 2008 housing fiasco. When banks were throwing money at just about anyone with 2 arms and 2 legs, who had a heartbeat.

 

[badgas]

Those are the reason I’ll just buy another house and not bother building a RV garage and add a pool to mine.

That is what I did, found one with the RV garage and a blank slate in back.

It was WAY less money to add a pool and I also wanted an up to date pool and Jacuzzi fire pit etc. I could not pay an extra 100K for a 35 year old pool that needed love or was some odd design that I didn't like with old cracked decking etc.

Still took a year to build the pool and walls but worth it in the end.

 

[Orange Juice]

I still have a hard time understanding how Zillow comes up with $4100 mo for a 2100sqft home, with no pool, or better yet, how do renters come up with nut.

 

[Big B Hova]

So.... how long do I hold onto my hat for? My fingers are going numb.

 

[hallett21]

So.... how long do I hold onto my hat for? My fingers are going numb.

We’re at 13months since the beginning of the thread.

 

[Runs2rch]

We’re at 13months since the beginning of the thread.

Getting there. Many things are very familiar to the last time this happened.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We’re at 13months since the beginning of the thread.

And the OP has abandoned it.

 

[Havasu blue label]

Just waiting for the equity lines to catch up and not going to the river house because it’s to hot

 

[cofooter]

So.... how long do I hold onto my hat for? My fingers are going numb.

Two more weeks! Actually, still thinking late Fall.........

 

[Sportin' Wood]

So.... how long do I hold onto my hat for? My fingers are going numb.

If the used car market is a leading indicator, no time soon. The predictions of Carmageddon don't seem to be playing out.

 

[PaPaG]

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If the used car market is a leading indicator, no time soon. The predictions of Carmageddon don't seem to be playing out.

Nope. Supply still has not caught demand it seems.

 

[Orange Juice]

Nope. Supply still has not caught demand it seems.

I’ll sell you my charger for what I paid last year

 

[shintoooo]

Take a look at the stock market. Most stocks are recovering and some are making ALL TIME records highs. People's retirement and investment accounts are at an all time high. There's a lot of money out there sitting in savings collecting interest. The housing market isn't going to crash until people start to lose their jobs and have to go through their savings in order to live. Then when that happens, they will stop paying their mortgage and shit will hit the fan.

Powell and the FOMC have so far failed to crash the stock market because at the same time that they are tightening and increasing interest rates, the fed is still handing out huge amounts of cash to employers in the form of the Employment Retention Credit . I've had clients that have received anywhere from $10K up to $3million back in the past week to a year ago. That money is now circling the market and causing more inflation and keeping housing prices propped up.

I think Powell is going to increase the interest rates again this time around and that is going to send the markets down bigly. Inflation is still very high, specially with gas prices going back to all time highs.

This is just my opinion of course and if you don't agree with it you'll be banned.

 

[ChumpChange]

Take a look at the stock market. Most stocks are recovering and some are making ALL TIME records highs. People's retirement and investment accounts are at an all time high. There's a lot of money out there sitting in savings collecting interest. The housing market isn't going to crash until people start to lose their jobs and have to go through their savings in order to live. Then when that happens, they will stop paying their mortgage and shit will hit the fan.

Powell and the FOMC have so far failed to crash the stock market because at the same time that they are tightening and increasing interest rates, the fed is still handing out huge amounts of cash to employers in the form of the Employment Retention Credit . I've had clients that have received anywhere from $10K up to $3million back in the past week to a year ago. That money is now circling the market and causing more inflation and keeping housing prices propped up.

I think Powell is going to increase the interest rates again this time around and that is going to send the markets down bigly. Inflation is still very high, specially with gas prices going back to all time highs.

This is just my opinion of course and if you don't agree with it you'll be banned.

Bigly. Noted.

And great post. Accurate from my perspective.

 

[Cdog]

Take a look at the stock market. Most stocks are recovering and some are making ALL TIME records highs. People's retirement and investment accounts are at an all time high. There's a lot of money out there sitting in savings collecting interest. The housing market isn't going to crash until people start to lose their jobs and have to go through their savings in order to live. Then when that happens, they will stop paying their mortgage and shit will hit the fan.

Powell and the FOMC have so far failed to crash the stock market because at the same time that they are tightening and increasing interest rates, the fed is still handing out huge amounts of cash to employers in the form of the Employment Retention Credit . I've had clients that have received anywhere from $10K up to $3million back in the past week to a year ago. That money is now circling the market and causing more inflation and keeping housing prices propped up.

I think Powell is going to increase the interest rates again this time around and that is going to send the markets down bigly. Inflation is still very high, specially with gas prices going back to all time highs.

This is just my opinion of course and if you don't agree with it you'll be banned.

Quite the conundrum when 60+% of the nation’s wealth is wrapped up in retirement accounts that make more money when big companies lay off and profits increase. Then In turn that generation spends some of those profits creating the inflation the fed is trying to combat.

Huge disconnect between the haves & the trying to haves.

 

[bonesfab]

If the used car market is a leading indicator, no time soon. The predictions of Carmageddon don't seem to be playing out.

From what I see the car market is in a world of trouble. Repo's are racheting up, car lots have cars, and people are not buying for the most part. It is going to be like the housing crisis of 2008. Buy another car and walk away from the one you are 20-40k upsdie down in.

 

[Looking Glass]

From what I see the car market is in a world of trouble. Repo's are racheting up, car lots have cars, and people are not buying for the most part. It is going to be like the housing crisis of 2008. Buy another car and walk away from the one you are 20-40k up

From what I see the car market is in a world of trouble. Repo's are racheting up, car lots have cars, and people are not buying for the most part. It is going to be like the housing crisis of 2008. Buy another car and walk away from the one you are 20-40k upsdie down in.

Buying from a Dealer and paying Sales Tax, adds to the cost issue, vs from a Private Party and avoiding them.

 

[hallett21]

Buying from a Dealer and paying Sales Tax, adds to the cost issue, vs from a Private Party and avoiding them.

CA wants their sales tax either way. Unless you are throwing down 40k+ in cash and fudging the bill of sale

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

From what I see the car market is in a world of trouble. Repo's are racheting up, car lots have cars, and people are not buying for the most part. It is going to be like the housing crisis of 2008. Buy another car and walk away from the one you are 20-40k upsdie down in.

But used cars aren’t going to take down the economy.

On the heels of the pandemic, borrowers with low credit are falling behind on car loans

Auto loan delinquencies are up as inflation and the end of COVID-19 financial assistance programs eat away at consumer spending power.

www.usatoday.com

This article from March says repos are mostly flat and they expect them to spike when (surprise) people start loosing their jobs.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

CA wants their sales tax either way. Unless you are throwing down 40k+ in cash and fudging the bill of sale

That’s the only way to buy as an RDP member.

 

[Done-it-again]

From what I see the car market is in a world of trouble. Repo's are racheting up, car lots have cars, and people are not buying for the most part. It is going to be like the housing crisis of 2008. Buy another car and walk away from the one you are 20-40k upsdie down in.

From what I can tell, dears are still making out. Granted maybe not the 10-15k premium on popular models, but now 5k-8k.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Take a look at the stock market. Most stocks are recovering and some are making ALL TIME records highs. People's retirement and investment accounts are at an all time high. There's a lot of money out there sitting in savings collecting interest. The housing market isn't going to crash until people start to lose their jobs and have to go through their savings in order to live. Then when that happens, they will stop paying their mortgage and shit will hit the fan.

Powell and the FOMC have so far failed to crash the stock market because at the same time that they are tightening and increasing interest rates, the fed is still handing out huge amounts of cash to employers in the form of the Employment Retention Credit . I've had clients that have received anywhere from $10K up to $3million back in the past week to a year ago. That money is now circling the market and causing more inflation and keeping housing prices propped up.

I think Powell is going to increase the interest rates again this time around and that is going to send the markets down bigly. Inflation is still very high, specially with gas prices going back to all time highs.

This is just my opinion of course and if you don't agree with it you'll be banned.

We had a litte break in gas prices for a few weeks, but it is starting to creep up again too. What we really noticed in the last couple weeks is groceries are getting sneaky high. 8 pack of juice boxes were $1.99 at Grocery Outlet a couple weeks ago. Same juice boxes today are $3.29.