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. Add the lack of fuels reduction from the wild land, and disaster is eminent.
i really think counties and cities need to start requiring land owners to clear their land. We should also eliminate Eucalyptus and palm trees from the landscape.

How bad are pepper trees? Ive taken 3 of 8 peppers down on my property primarily for looks and to decrease the mess they create. With recent events, considering just leveling the last 5, but not sure it would really do much good as my neighborhood is filled with terribly maintained properties with massive eucalyptus and some beautiful tall pine trees. I could go barren and still fall victim due to proximity to neighbors who dont maintain their shit.

When work slows down this spring and i have more free time and daylight, im going to offer free tree removal for my immediate neighbors to try and control what i can control.
 

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The one thing I took away from the Shawn Ryan podcast with Tim Sheehy recently is that there are apparently additives that you can use with water that make it 5x more effective at fighting fires but we aren't allowed to use it here in the US due to environmental concerns? This would come into play with fire fighting aircraft dropping water from above.... I didn't do a deep dive into researching if what he said was true, but I have spent some time around a water treatment plant equipment manufacturer and know that very small amounts of flocculant can have a crazy effect on removing suspended solids from water so I would not be surprised at all if there are additives that do greatly help the effectiveness of water while fighting fire from above. Tim is a politician out of Montana, and he sure did talk like a politician on many topics, but he was the CEO of an aviation company that contracts for aerial fire fighting services prior to becoming a politician, so I would expect him to know that industry very well.
Tim was just recently elected in this election. He is not an experienced politician, just a rather successful businessman and retired navy seal.
 

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Dozer cut fire breaks as wide and as long as necessary all done before fire season
It’s done on Camp Pendleton and I understand it works very well
Plus correct forest and brush management on a long term bases should greatly reduce the severity and make fighting fires safer and more effective.
This is of course is not a new idea it is used around the world with great success.
The real problem is the people in charge either want the fires or the people who fund there campaigns want the fires and the destruction that they cause ,
 

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We have a brush and forestry mismanagement issue that’s been going on for over 100 years (CA more than most states).
It's the natural human instinct to extinguish fires, and that, along with the insane influence of the environazis, has resulted in the present situation.
To be clear I support all of the fire fighters on the ground and in the air. But you can’t let brush, grass and trees grow for 20-100 years with no maintenance and expect it to not turn into an inferno when it does light off.

At the end of the day the ignition source of a fire doesn’t really matter.
I've been closely inspecting photos and video of unburned hillsides for the last two weeks. I wanted to see the fuel sources that have caused over $100 billion in destruction of people's homes and possessions. When one hears the description vegetation as brush, it brings forth the mental image of low lying native cover that's mostly small branches and some greenery.

But that's wildly incorrect. That cover, the individual plants, which have been allowed to spread unchecked for generations, are massive growths. Each one is the size of a school bus, and they have grown into continuous homogenous bombs. The green California sagebrush (Artemisia californica) is described as being drought resistant, and produces large amounts of turpines in its branches and greenery.

Turpines, recognizable as the root name of turpentine, are highly flammable. One would think this fact would produce online literature that discusses the danger of allowing unchecked growth of this species to populate the hillsides of the LA basin. Instead, the opposite has occurred.

I did searches based on "California sagebrush (Artemisia californica)," and find dozens of documents discussing the plant's fragility and the need to monitor its place in the ecosystem to ensure its survival, page after page of econazi gibberish. There's no substantive discussion about its role in providing fuel for the destructive and deadly fires. I see no indication that LA city and county government, much less the state, sees Artemisia californica as a deadly foe.

It appears there is no awareness that California sagebrush needs to be controlled. I see no indication there is any type of program to target the unchecked proliferation of these giant ticking time bombs.

This is incredible. It's insane.

I'm going to do some more investigation about what is the most unbelievable situation, local and state government have no focus on what fuels the fire. They have ignored the growth of these "shrubs," and have no specific plan to attack the main factor in the fires.

This is crazy.

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i really think counties and cities need to start requiring land owners to clear their land. We should also eliminate Eucalyptus and palm trees from the landscape.

How bad are pepper trees? Ive taken 3 of 8 peppers down on my property primarily for looks and to decrease the mess they create. With recent events, considering just leveling the last 5, but not sure it would really do much good as my neighborhood is filled with terribly maintained properties with massive eucalyptus and some beautiful tall pine trees. I could go barren and still fall victim due to proximity to neighbors who dont maintain their shit.

When work slows down this spring and i have more free time and daylight, im going to offer free tree removal for my immediate neighbors to try and control what i can control.
Are your eaves exposed or closed in? Stucco? Patio covered aluminum? RV or any other exposed combustible material covered.
Like seen in recent events, with wind, you can do all the clearing, but if your neighbors arn’t up on defensible space, it may not matter what you do.
Fires going to burn whatever it wants, all we can do is slow it down enough giving those resources time to catch it.
 

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i really think counties and cities need to start requiring land owners to clear their land. We should also eliminate Eucalyptus and palm trees from the landscape.

How bad are pepper trees? Ive taken 3 of 8 peppers down on my property primarily for looks and to decrease the mess they create. With recent events, considering just leveling the last 5, but not sure it would really do much good as my neighborhood is filled with terribly maintained properties with massive eucalyptus and some beautiful tall pine trees. I could go barren and still fall victim due to proximity to neighbors who dont maintain their shit.

When work slows down this spring and i have more free time and daylight, im going to offer free tree removal for my immediate neighbors to try and control what i can control.
When an engine rolls through an area on fire they are going to defend the property that has been maintained and has a perimeter.
 

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When an engine rolls through an area on fire they are going to defend the property that has been maintained and has a perimeter.
True. I have a friend who lived in a rural area in Oregon. For years, fire officials had instructed people to clear the vegetation around their homes, and to place white-painted rocks at the driveway entrance after they had done so. He followed their instructions, and when they had a wildfire, the fire department defended his home as they had promised. Meanwhile, some of his neighbors’ homes burned.
 

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LAFD Fire Station 69 surrounded by fire. Commercial fires in Sylmar area ignited from Hurst fire. Busy night! Our youngest son on the ladder pipe. He told me that there were a lot of close calls. I have a video from the roof of LAFD FS 69 surrounded by fire. I can't figure out how to insert it. I spent 2 years with the LACoFD on a Camp Crew at Camp Nine and 35 years with LAFD at various stations and assignments. All the ideas I have read here have been discussed and talked about over the years especially after major incidents. Some are workable and some are not. Time, money and experienced staffing are always the deciding/limiting factors.


 

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After observing these past three weeks of back to back Santa Ana winds, our 'Achille's heal' in rapidly slowing or stopping these fire starts, isn't the initial response time from the staged hand crews getting on scene. It's the inability to stage an adequate aerial assault with large capacity retardant dropping aircraft due to excessive wind conditions.
Until I read a great article written by a veteran air tanker pilot, I had no realization of the extreme perils the wind presents at the low altitudes required for the drops to be survivable and effective.
So with extreme wind, we lose an extremely critical tool.
Thankfully, in most cases we've still had helicopters dropping water, and now more than in the past, we've got more of them with the ability to work at night.
What we need are a fleet of "Super Helicopters", like the Russian Mil-Mi 26, (44,000 lb Cap) with equipment it can carry about 3,000 gallons of Phos-chek, or our own CH-53K King Stallion with 36K capacity or maybe 2,500 gallons -- If you figure the Calfire's S-2T Tankers carry about 1,200 gallons, those would surely help, especially when the fixed wing can't fly.
Theres plenty of those already contracted. Sikorsky S-64 and Chinooks. Problem is those serve a single function. Wildland. Fire Departments are an all hazard responding to all types of calls throughout the year. The s-70i Firehawk can be used for many missions and is way more versatile. Hence why a majority of county departments are going this way. Santa Barabara County just got 1, Ventura County 3, Orange County 1, San Diego, and LA County has had them for years.
 

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i really think counties and cities need to start requiring land owners to clear their land. We should also eliminate Eucalyptus and palm trees from the landscape.

How bad are pepper trees? Ive taken 3 of 8 peppers down on my property primarily for looks and to decrease the mess they create. With recent events, considering just leveling the last 5, but not sure it would really do much good as my neighborhood is filled with terribly maintained properties with massive eucalyptus and some beautiful tall pine trees. I could go barren and still fall victim due to proximity to neighbors who dont maintain their shit.

When work slows down this spring and i have more free time and daylight, im going to offer free tree removal for my immediate neighbors to try and control what i can control.


When we listed our place last spring one of the things we had to do was get Cal Fire out here for a property inspection.
I live in wildfire country, most of my neighbors have lived here long enough to have learned that maintianing property is critical.
We have 5 acres here, 11 if you count the other house.
I have taken care of it all since my father died in 1983.
I am just getting too damned old and busted up to do it all anymore, and tha tis one of the many reasons we are hoping (praying) it sells this spring summer.
 

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Theres plenty of those already contracted. Sikorsky S-64 and Chinooks. Problem is those serve a single function. Wildland. Fire Departments are an all hazard responding to all types of calls throughout the year. The s-70i Firehawk can be used for many missions and is way more versatile. Hence why a majority of county departments are going this way. Santa Barabara County just got 1, Ventura County 3, Orange County 1, San Diego, and LA County has had them for years.
My point being, despite google showing that a S-64 Skycrane can carry both 2,650 gallons of either water or retardant, I don't believe the later is true.
Water weighs 8.34 lbs per gallon, retardant 12 to 12.5 seriously limiting their retardant carrying capacity.
S-64 Skycrane is rated for 20,000 lb capacity, the MI-26 44,000 and the CH-53K King Stallion, 36,000.
I understand that each tool serves a better role and versatile is an extremely important tool to have.
Our problem is, we have no tools to replace the heavy lift aerial tankers or even much smaller S-2's that can carry and drop retardant during more extreme wind conditions.
Retardant is the tool for trying to confine a fire due to it's ability to remain effectively wet, whereas water dries our rapidly.
The helos do an amazing job, especially localized structure protection and dousing spot fires. What we're lacking is an effective tool for laying down a retardant border until the winds die, which is often allowing these fires to grow and spread rapidly.
I'm simply suggesting that a tool such as a super heavy lift helo could possibly serve that role in until the tankers are able to fly.
 

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well fighting fires isn't my paid gig... so I really shouldn't be the one with the answers.... but if I had to take a swing at it....

#1 make sure reservoirs that feed fire hydrants and sprinkler systems have sufficient capacity during peak fire season
#2 be proactive...... these winds were predicted way in advance, we have had no rain... it was a ripe scenario for brush / wind driven fire. Crews and trucks should have been placed in high risk areas before any fire began.... sort of like patrols.... so that in the case of a fire that is 1 acre in size, there is no need to wait for the call to come in to a station, by the time the truck gets there it is at 20 acres and by the time they roll out the hose and do their safety checks and start spraying water we are now at 100 acres and the battle is lost / the pacific palisades (insert other towns / cities) is lost)
#3 Planes / helicopters / air resources for fighting fires should be stocked and at the ready with pilots at the hangars during these peak wind / prime dry conditions for fire risk, so that we can be getting active drops in less that 10 minutes


the list can go on... I think they have the single structure fire / vehicle fire down to a science and are good at handling that. But in every case where there has been any brush or multiple structures burning it has turned into a complete shit show. waiting for trucks to show up from the station on a windy brush fire day is like fighting trench style warfare in modern day war.

my #1 blame falls on the state though... this amount of brush should not exist, this amount of homelessness should not exist, this amount of crime should not exist... but here we are in a failed state.

My question to you guys.... do you think we should just keep doing it the same way?
Theres some things at the State level we should absolutely not be doing the same way. I dont think Firefighters can be doing things differently. But to answer your questions.
1. Yes absolutely reservoirs should be filled. In 2014 we passed Proposition 1. A bond to increase water storage. Look up how much Newsom has actually done? Next to nothing. The water department for each city where these fires happen need to be prepared also. When demand is increased, boost the pressure and make sure water is getting replenished into holding tanks.
2. Everywhere in southern California is high risk. The state for at least the last 5 years do what they call OES prepo. Upstaffing of many resources county to county. Ventura County is currently upstaffing 150 personnel on Engines, Dozers, Helicopters, Crews, Chiefs etc. As soon as a brush fire pops, they respond flooding the call with resources hoping to keep it small. Every other county does this as well. Patrols in hillside areas happen all the time. But the everyday life of 911 medicals still are happening. You can't abandon the citizens you protect because of a high wind day.
3. They are. There are strategic air bases throughout California that house different Tankers. Cal Fire has 14 air tanker bases, 10 Helitack bases. Not including what County departments have.

The one thing you're missing is the lack of vegetation management the state has done. No prescribed burns or fire breaks. When fire gets into vegetation thats 50+ years old, the fire intensity and BTU's increase drastically preheating the fuel in front of it. Now add wind and you have spotting 1/2-1 mile ahead of fire. Look at the previous burn scars on the Hughes fire just a few days ago. The Eastern flank ran into a prior burn scar from 2018. Did this allow FF's to go direct with aerial assets knowing theres less vegetation there?
 

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Vegitation management in northern California has been a complete disaster for more than 4 decades.
Just one example. There is a problem in our area call the bark beetle infestation. It has killed thousands of large trees in the forests
There is a period where this dead timber can be harvested and removed from the forest providing lumber and fire mitigtion.
The USFS and the state don't let that happen...so the infestation grows, the heavy fuel loads grow, and the timber goes to waste.
Insanity
I find it ioronic that the state of Ca is on the asses of private homeowners to "clean up their property" but they let entire forests they manage go completely to shit.
The Lake Tahoe Basin is grest example of this. Do some snooping around about the TRPA...Tahoe regional Planning agency...and see the history there...going affter homeowners who wanted to cleaned up the pine needles on their properties...and the subsequent fires that burned through the area...

Many years ago my almost-a -brother friend owned and operated several logging trucks. He was working a helicopter job in the Tahoe basin that took 3 years to permit...3 years to get a permit to take standing dead timber out... I used to go ride along with him and help a bit with driving. We came out of the harvest area and headed down 50 through South Lake Tahoe towards the mill in California. We had idiots screaming at us at stoplights calling us "tree murderers," and several tried to run us off the road or brake check us into an accident. (Not wise when plaing against a 75,000lb truck )
Idiots. I guess they live in houses built out of mud bricks...

I will never forget having to go up onto the Tahoe Nat'l Forest during the height of the tree sitter protesters and deal with some clown sitting in a tree that was not scehduled to come down, but was in the middle of a timber harvest.
He wouldn't get down til "the press gets here and listens to my manifesto".
I told him the press wasn't coming.
The date was 9-11-2001.
I explained to him why the press wasn't coming. I also arrested his "keeper" who was bringing him water etc.
He finally came down. I cuffed his ass and we moved just far enough away so that we were safe, but could see as the timber faller dropped the tree he was sitting in.
I hauled them both to the bucket.

That Timber company, once one of the largest employers in this area is now a shadow of what it once was, and many other forest product compaines in the north sate are simply gone. Seeing a loaded logging truck rolling down the highways was once a very regular event in these parts...now, not so much. The mills are now few and far between, and piss poor forest / vegitation management runs rampant.
We just let them burn, and then bitch about the price of lumber.

The people of California are, I think, very slowly beginnning to understand the impact their voting choices is having on their lives. The problem is government at every level is infested with progressive socialists, and rooting them out is going to take persistent effort and time.
 

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I made it through the grapevine yesterday no problem. Nice light traffic day. Hazy smoke in some spots but the wind blew most of it away.
Shorts & t shirt weather late day here in BW.
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i really think counties and cities need to start requiring land owners to clear their land. We should also eliminate Eucalyptus and palm trees from the landscape.

How bad are pepper trees? Ive taken 3 of 8 peppers down on my property primarily for looks and to decrease the mess they create. With recent events, considering just leveling the last 5, but not sure it would really do much good as my neighborhood is filled with terribly maintained properties with massive eucalyptus and some beautiful tall pine trees. I could go barren and still fall victim due to proximity to neighbors who dont maintain their shit.

When work slows down this spring and i have more free time and daylight, im going to offer free tree removal for my immediate neighbors to try and control what i can control.
I have 9 pepper trees myself. I have a neighbor with a huge eucalyptus thats on one of my fence lines that I want to poison 😂. The pepper trees are by my shop, not my house. My nearest neighbor is a few hundred yards away. Most of my neighbors get it. We all have too much to loose and we’re all on the Fair Plan. I just concentrate on making my hose as safe as possible and keeping my pasture mowed and all me trees trimmed up. It sounds like you’re closer to neighbors than me. Hopefully you can get a coordinated effort with your neighbors. Sometimes it just takes one person to start it.
 

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LAFD Fire Station 69 surrounded by fire. Commercial fires in Sylmar area ignited from Hurst fire. Busy night! Our youngest son on the ladder pipe. He told me that there were a lot of close calls. I have a video from the roof of LAFD FS 69 surrounded by fire. I can't figure out how to insert it. I spent 2 years with the LACoFD on a Camp Crew at Camp Nine and 35 years with LAFD at various stations and assignments. All the ideas I have read here have been discussed and talked about over the years especially after major incidents. Some are workable and some are not. Time, money and experienced staffing are always the deciding/limiting factors.


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Factors? Or typical excuses? Somehow they manage to find those "factors" for whatever they deem "necessary"........
homeless/sanctuary cities come to mind.
 

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Vegitation management in northern California has been a complete disaster for more than 4 decades.
Just one example. There is a problem in our area call the bark beetle infestation. It has killed thousands of large trees in the forests.
There are over a hundred million dead conifer trees, mostly pine and spruce, in the Rocky Mountain and Sierra forests. The pine beetle infestation is decimating this natural asset. They've been dying for over forty years.

The Sierra Club and other econazi organizations have fought every attempt to remove this unbelievably huge fuel load from the forests. Every time there's a fire in the Alpine regions of the West, those dead trees màke it impossible for fire crews to exert any semblance of control over the conflagrations.

It's a tragic consequence of the movement that was meant to preserve our forests. Instead, these "conservationists" are responsible for the destruction of millions of acres of land they claim to protect.
 
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Sure. Cost of doing business? You gunna volunteer to do a 24 hour shift cutting brush and humpin hose up a hill to mop up these fires?
Oh I get it, trust me, my point is as Newscum has made every effort and excuse to release the only entity in the prison system which promotes "paying their debt to society". That has decimated not only a HUGE savings cost to the taxpayers but eliminating an opportunity for one or several of these mates to learn a trade or more importantly learn to actually do something unselfishly for the first time in their lives. I'm all about creating jobs for civilian seasonals, don't get me wrong but I believe there is plenty of work these days so the more resources we have on tap the better!
 

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I found this story very interesting about a firefighting tool I've watched in use countless times, yet knew really nothing about it.


One use I'd never heard of, but think it's a great idea is -----

Bambi Bucket Used to Rescue 15 People After Devastating Mud Slide in Chile

 
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That was gavins plan all along

"Never let good crisis go to waste" nancy pelosi
That leftist scripture was actually first uttered by Rahm Emanuel, Obama's Chief of Staff, later Chicago mayor, and currently Biden's ambassador to Japan.

He's gonna be unemployed any day now.
 

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Three of the fires in San Diego were determined to be caused by homeless camps.
wow just wow they dont even report anything on this ??? wtf heads would roll if they did

they sure know how to keep things hush hush

the amount of money the unhoused angelinos have cost the state is billions.... crime, etc

they burn the riverbed near us 2 to 3 times a year...
 

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Go read the Washington post….
is this directed at me ??

if so you think it gets the headlines it deserves? Homeless/drug situation in general?

they keep it all on the raps... all the stabbings ,thefts, assaults robbing and fires.

it probably the highest cost for the state next to pensions
 

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is this directed at me ??

if so you think it gets the headlines it deserves? Homeless/drug situation in general?

they keep it all on the raps... all the stabbings ,thefts, assaults robbing and fires.

it probably the highest cost for the state next to pensions
I replied to thread not your comment.

I didn’t even read your post above.
 

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Hope those residents remember to forget his go green ass at election time.
 

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Hope those residents remember to forget his go green ass at election time.
Not really sure it would matter much with the way the voting here is rigged? They've used every "loop hole" allowed and then some just to keep his slimy greasy ass in office from the recalls. Pretty sure it's on par with the federal Level at this point. Dude just needs to be wacked to get rid of him. Lol
 

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He probably gave out free lighters to the homeless.
Can you imagine a Governor so cruel that would force fire victims to rebuild their 1940's, 50's and 60's built home to the far more modern and current efficiency, fire and safety codes 😱
Oh, the horrors 😖 🤬
 

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Can you imagine a Governor so cruel that would force fire victims to rebuild their 1940's, 50's and 60's built home to the far more modern and current efficiency, fire and safety codes 😱
Oh, the horrors 😖 🤬
That's not what his statement referred too... "we have to build with the climate reality in mind"

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Can you imagine a Governor so cruel that would force fire victims to rebuild their 1940's, 50's and 60's built home to the far more modern and current efficiency, fire and safety codes 😱
Oh, the horrors 😖 🤬
Which current code would have saved those homes?
 

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That's not what his statement referred too... "we have to build with the climate reality in mind"

🖕newsom
Yes, like the reality of wild fires being a major one perhaps ? I take no exception with the fact that the climate of this planet is not static and not only has changed, but will continue to do so, regardless of our best efforts to alter it. If we're smart, we'll learn how to best adapt to live with those changes rather than attempting to combat them and absolve mankind of our sin of presence.

When we rebuilt following the '07 wildfire, many aspects of this home were governed by numerous architectural and material Fire Code requirements that were so new the ink was still drying.
 

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Which current code would have saved those homes?
Many ---- here's a few ---- No eves, no eve vents, limited if any exposed wood on the exterior including latticework, stairs, decks, special fire code approved roof vents that block embers from getting blown into your attic, thicker or steel skinned exterior doors, greatly improved dual pane windows, and outside, landscaping zones for various plant types.
Doesn't make them fire proof, but combined they can help.
The home we were required to rebuild following our loss even in '07 is not only is far superior in withstanding a wildfire, but overall has made this an amazingly efficient and comfortable home.
A neighborhood of modern homes built to these fire codes should be far more resistive to suffering the kind of mass devastation suffered by homes built 50 years ago with no regard given to the reality of wildfires.
 

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Many ---- here's a few ---- No eves, no eve vents, limited if any exposed wood on the exterior including latticework, stairs, decks, special fire code approved roof vents that block embers from getting blown into your attic, thicker or steel skinned exterior doors, greatly improved dual pane windows, and outside, landscaping zones for various plant types.
Doesn't make them fire proof, but combined they can help.
The home we were required to rebuild following our loss even in '07 is not only is far superior in withstanding a wildfire, but overall has made this an amazingly efficient and comfortable home.
A neighborhood of modern homes built to these fire codes should be far more resistive to suffering the kind of mass devastation suffered by homes built 50 years ago with no regard given to the reality of wildfires.

That's all logical, but do you think that's the extent of their sticking with the "science" so to speak?
 

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That's all logical, but do you think that's the extent of their sticking with the "science" so to speak?
"Their" --- he's a f*ckin politician, speaking in 'Politician', which inherently means, stating something while otherwise speaking in complete ambiguities.

As a Newsom hater, you hear those things that support your inner anger.
When my dumb-ass Bro-In-Law listens, he salivates as if he's spooning his favorite desert.
When I, whom despite my hate for Newsom listens, I'm reminded of the pages of the newly penned fire codes we were required to design and adhere to and can find logic in his otherwise verbal political masturbation.

So yes, there's a great deal of "Fire Science", involved in the structures, as well as the restoration and hopefully upgrading of the vital systems infrastructure.
 

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Many ---- here's a few ---- No eves, no eve vents, limited if any exposed wood on the exterior including latticework, stairs, decks, special fire code approved roof vents that block embers from getting blown into your attic, thicker or steel skinned exterior doors, greatly improved dual pane windows, and outside, landscaping zones for various plant types.
Doesn't make them fire proof, but combined they can help.
Are those current codes? The title 24 window, insulation/ventilation and roofing specs are geared towards energy conservation and not fire safety. The guidelines in fire areas are loose at very best around defensible space and what’s recommended vs what’s enforced. (IE. Combustible fencing/gates are not recommended but not code driven).
 

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how about codes for the State to follow ?? or let power companies follow to clear brush and not let druged out/ mental unhoused angelinos scamper around and light fires ?? controlled burns vegetation management ?? perhaps

like said have hydrants with water and reservoirs full ???

maybe would have never happened forcing these people to remodel ??? just a thought
 

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"Their" --- he's a f*ckin politician, speaking in 'Politician', which inherently means, stating something while otherwise speaking in complete ambiguities.

As a Newsom hater, you hear those things that support your inner anger.
When my dumb-ass Bro-In-Law listens, he salivates as if he's spooning his favorite desert.
When I, whom despite my hate for Newsom listens, I'm reminded of the pages of the newly penned fire codes we were required to design and adhere to and can find logic in his otherwise verbal political masturbation.

So yes, there's a great deal of "Fire Science", involved in the structures, as well as the restoration and hopefully upgrading of the vital systems infrastructure.

Two things.

1) I don’t hate Newsome, I laugh at him, along with his followers.

2) You didn’t answer the question T. 😝
 
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