Fast food in LA - Get good at using those kiosks.

[DWC]

LA is doubling down.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

LA is doubling down.


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Low wage workers?!?! They are now much higher than low wage! Fucking bullshit!

 

[4Waters]

LA is doubling down.


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I have spent less than 200 bucks in the city of los angeles since March 2020 and I don't plan on spending anymore if I can help it.

 

[lbhsbz]

Got a link?

 

[hallett21]

I try to avoid fast food as much as I can. However I was second in line at in n out today

That being said I go to McDonald’s here and there. In the last 6 months I’ve been to 3-4 and all of them are kiosk and app based now. To the point it’s actually complicated to pay cash.

They effectively have a “kitchen” staff and one poor soul sweeping, handing out food, and I assume managing the “restaurant”.

 

[Singleton]

That will end fast food in LA.
Business owners can’t afford it,

fast food jobs were never meant to support a family of 8

 

[Done-it-again]

This is becoming comical....

Instead of workers making more due to the wage increase, now they are making less and to compensate the faulty plan we (the Gov) will just keep tacking on more BS requirements in from of pay from the business to give to the workers. Thus shutting down more fast food places and putting more out of work. Holy hell, when does it end.

 

[DWC]

Got a link?

L.A. fast-food workers may get a helping hand from City Council

City Councilmember Hugo Soto-Martinez in Los Angeles to introduce an ordinance Tuesday to strengthen protections for fast-food workers.

www.latimes.com

 

[jetboatperformance]

Well first off I dont eat "fast food" theres very little one of those joints that they could make better than Rhonda and I can prepare . But what I see is what is likely "unskilled " jobs for young folks that will melt away under the "woke /libby" bull shit these morons want to legislate probably for vote pandering . More and more this food will be preprared and dropped off daily by semi trucks and then a skeleton crew and robot kiosks will take the place of entry level jobs. Business is not stupid Robots dont need comp , they dont get cramps once a month the dont show up late with lame ass excuses and the can be depreciated out Ever go to a Sonic, Great example on minimal staff and automation

 

[4Waters]

Well first off I dont eat "fast food" theres very little one of those joints that they could make better than Rhonda and I can prepare . But what I see is what is likely "unskilled " jobs for young folks that will melt away under the "woke /libby" bull shit these morons want to legislate probably for vote pandering . More and more this food will be preprared and dropped off daily by semi trucks and then a skeleton crew and robot kiosks will take the place of entry level jobs. Business is not stupid Robots dont need comp , they dont get cramps once a month the dont show up late with lame ass excuses and the can be depreciated out Ever go to a Sonic, Great example on minimal staff and automation

I actually think this is what they want, once they can't get a job they will he on the government tit and willing to vote for those that give them free stuff. Part of the plan.

 

[riverroyal]

No way we will get 20 year olds in construction anymore. No reason to bust their ass in the sun anymore.
That generation doesn't think long term, fast food
pay is fine with them until the become youtube famous.

Shit construction workers means shit construction. Stuff isn't getting build well ever again.

Maybe custom homes with reputable builder..maybe

 

[dread Pirate]

More to it than just the fast food entitlement wages. Fast food is becoming the baseline for what everyone else has to pay.

"I could get paid more working at Mcdonalds".

Makes it harder for any other industry to recruit and make their bottom line. It's all part of the plan, just presented as a "fast food breakthrough to help them make a livable wage" bullshit!

Bunch of communist/socialist bullshit.

 

[TimeBandit]

Have you tried to pick up a "day laborer" lately?

The three on the corner near Fallbrook / Ventura told me they wanted $200. for the day.

I said $10 per hour, no takers.

 

[Mandelon]

This is pretty much already required in the City of San Diego. The state mandated guys get two or three paid days off a year, the city mandated the other days. So hourly workers accrue one paid hour off for every thirty worked. It works out to five paid days off a year. And why Xmas bonuses disappeared! It costs like $20,000 a year. We just try to pass the cost along.

 

[4Waters]

Have you tried to pick up a "day laborer" lately?

The three on the corner near Fallbrook / Ventura told me they wanted $200. for the day.

I said $10 per hour, no takers.

Are they fuckin union now?

 

[DWC]

Are they fuckin union now?

Kinda, without the dues.

 

[jetboatperformance]

Have you tried to pick up a "day laborer" lately?

The three on the corner near Fallbrook / Ventura told me they wanted $200. for the day.

I said $10 per hour, no takers.

i tried but 20 bucks wouldnt work

 

[4Waters]

Kinda, without the dues.

They better bring their own tools and lunch for that.

If they were paying taxes that would be roughly 300 a day before taxes or 37 an hour. I make 34.60 and have to have a class A license. We need to get their union to represent us, ours sucks.

 

[jetboatperformance]

Man I think I need a raise I'm even sleeping with the Boss and not sure if I get 20 bucks an hour

 

[4Waters]

Man I think I need a raise I'm even sleeping with the Boss and not sure if I get 20 bucks an hour

You gotta Hawk Tuah on that thang, it works both ways

 

[Captain Dan]

As I've always told my children, fast food work is transitional, for students and others that are aspiring to be more, either in other industries or management within the fast food industry. Somehow, somewhere, it has become a career that requires a living wage. I guess I've been wrong.

 

[4Waters]

As I've always told my children, fast food work is transitional, for students and others that are aspiring to be more, either in other industries or management within the fast food industry. Somehow, somewhere, it has become a career that requires a living wage. I guess I've been wrong.

Your not wrong

 

[Havasu Rehab]

x.com

x.com

Elon doing Elon things. Once again changing the world... This robot will have a price point of $20-$25K. I'm sure it could be easily programmed to flip a burger.

 

[jetboatperformance]

As I've always told my children, fast food work is transitional, for students and others that are aspiring to be more, either in other industries or management within the fast food industry. Somehow, somewhere, it has become a career that requires a living wage. I guess I've been wrong.

But these efforts by the left are killing those jobs sadly .... My first two jobs were dishwasher and busboy I only made a $1.35 an hour but it let me buy my first car

 

[riverroyal]

Are they fuckin union now?

I'm offended.
Our 1st year apprentices are about 30. It jumps yearly for the 5 years they are in school. Which by the way is free for them and actual college credits are given.

 

[Radioactive]

Automat's

Automat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

might be the solution for LA, just figure out how to make it a drive thru..

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

As I've always told my children, fast food work is transitional, for students and others that are aspiring to be more, either in other industries or management within the fast food industry. Somehow, somewhere, it has become a career that requires a living wage. I guess I've been wrong.

Well, welfare is a career as well among certain folks. And they don’t seem to be complaining about all the free shit.

 

[FlyByWire]

i tried but 20 bucks wouldnt work

Try Zona Norte next time.

I mean I’ve heard.

 

[hallett21]

McDonald’s current market cap is 180 billion.

In 1995 their market cap was 9-10ish billion. Even after you factor in inflation and international restaurants the fast food industry has absolutely taken over feeding people.

I know everyone wants to compare fast food jobs of the 60s-80s to today but it’s simply not the same business.

We are no longer talking about a burger shack here and there. A 180 billion dollar corp requires more than a few highschool kids.

 

[PlanB]

McDonald’s current market cap is 180 billion.

In 1995 their market cap was 9-10ish billion. Even after you factor in inflation and international restaurants the fast food industry has absolutely taken over feeding people.

I know everyone wants to compare fast food jobs of the 60s-80s to today but it’s simply not the same business.

We are no longer talking about a burger shack here and there. A 180 billion dollar corp requires more than a few highschool kids.

How many locations are franchises vs corporate owned? What are their margins? I owned three Conoco stations. Our margins were extremely thin, and the profit Conoco was making had nothing to do with us.

 

[hallett21]

How many locations are franchises vs corporate owned? What are their margins? I owned three Conoco stations. Our margins were extremely thin, and the profit Conoco was making had nothing to do with us.

The majority of McDonalds are franchises and according to their website the franchisee sets the price. Not sure how that works when McDonalds advertises a meal deal etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the margins were thin. My point was that the fast food industry has just out grown what is was “back in the day”.

I absolutely agree that the jobs they provide are not “careers” (until you get into general manager, truck driver, c suite etc). It’s not a skilled labor industry but it requires 100,000s of people. Not every citizen was meant to go on and do better things sadly.

I bet in 10 years automation will have almost completely taken over the majority of fast food. Places like In N Out will probably never change, but people will be willing to pay more for the nostalgia and experience.

 

[mash on it]

McDonald's is a real estate company. Don't kid yourself.

Dan'l

 

[Yoshiro]

I worked fast food in high school for spending money. When are folks gonna realize there's other positions and careers that they can pursue that will support them financially better? If the pay and conditions aren't working for you, find another option. That's what others do.

 

[Singleton]

McDonald’s current market cap is 180 billion.

In 1995 their market cap was 9-10ish billion. Even after you factor in inflation and international restaurants the fast food industry has absolutely taken over feeding people.

I know everyone wants to compare fast food jobs of the 60s-80s to today but it’s simply not the same business.

We are no longer talking about a burger shack here and there. A 180 billion dollar corp requires more than a few highschool kids.

They are worth that much, because McD Corp owns the land under every restaurant and franchise owners have a lease agreement. They are one of the largest real estate holding companies in the world. They make almost nothing on royalties.

 

[hallett21]

They are worth that much, because McD Corp owns the land under every restaurant and franchise owners have a lease agreement. They are one of the largest real estate holding companies in the world. They make almost nothing on royalties.

Fair enough.

But chipotle, the BK lounge, Carl’s JR etc etc all have become billion dollar corps as well.

My point being these companies haven’t been the mom and pop burger joint for a very long time. I’m surprised automation didn’t happen sooner.

 

[Singleton]

Fair enough.

But chipotle, the BK lounge, Carl’s JR etc etc all have become billion dollar corps as well.

My point being these companies haven’t been the mom and pop burger joint for a very long time. I’m surprised automation didn’t happen sooner.

They all do the same thing. Own the land, lease to franchise owners. Chipotle was a McD‘s owned comoany, until they spun it out from under McD.

Historically, corp has been against automation since the money they get (lease pymt plus a set royalty amount) does not change. Franchise owners are now pushing Corp to allow them to automate, to maintain margins. Automation will occur, but the franchise owner will be paying for it, not Corp.

 

[TeamGreene]

I worked fast food in high school for spending money. When are folks gonna realize there's other positions and careers that they can pursue that will support them financially better? If the pay and conditions aren't working for you, find another option. That's what others do.

This would require one to take responsibility for one's actions instead of letting the nanny state come to the rescue.

 

[Toolman]

Here in La Habra, my local Carl’s junior as of July 1 is now kiosk only and all the girls at work there for all the years I’ve been going there are all gone. They have one doofus handing you your food and that’s it. I am old school and I will not swipe my credit card for every freaking thing that I need in this world. I still believe in cash. I guess we all saw this coming, didn’t we.

 

[TimeBandit]

About the only fast food places I go anymore are Panda Express and the habit.

Since the China flu I've been ordering the habit with the phone app the added bonus is no mistakes and once in awhile they give you a coupon for a free sandwich.

No waiting in line for someone to try to upsell you french fries with your sandwich.

But yeah f*** Governor newsome and his big ideas.

 

[hallett21]

They all do the same thing. Own the land, lease to franchise owners. Chipotle was a McD‘s owned comoany, until they spun it out from under McD.

Historically, corp has been against automation since the money they get (lease pymt plus a set royalty amount) does not change. Franchise owners are now pushing Corp to allow them to automate, to maintain margins. Automation will occur, but the franchise owner will be paying for it, not Corp.

Most chipotles are not freestanding like a McDonald’s, Burger King etc. They’re usually in strip malls etc with a developer running the leases.

I think McDonalds sold their stake in 06ish? That’s almost 20 years ago.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Maybe they would have a better life if they/we weren't taxed so heavily and illegals were let in constantly to take their jobs.

No matter what, I'm ok with all of this because it's going to swing in a direction where people make lunches at home and reduce their spend on fast food. This will be healthier for everyone. Burn the industry to the ground with all the other industries. Biden basically said trucking is next!

 

[thetub]

McDonald's is a real estate company. Don't kid yourself.

Dan'l

im not sure about that ? they might own a few original properties , but the majority are sold to investors as a NNN property

with a 20 lease payout to investor then investor owns the property or Mcdees extends 5 years etc..

which i dont get , but its a way to quickly expand and gain locations ?

i would rather own the real estate ???

 

[Bobby V]

Here in La Habra, my local Carl’s junior as of July 1 is now kiosk only and all the girls at work there for all the years I’ve been going there are all gone. They have one doofus handing you your food and that’s it. I am old school and I will not swipe my credit card for every freaking thing that I need in this world. I still believe in cash. I guess we all saw this coming, didn’t we.

Beach and Lambert? Used to go there once a week when I worked down the street. Usually went thru drive thru.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Have you tried to pick up a "day laborer" lately?

The three on the corner near Fallbrook / Ventura told me they wanted $200. for the day.

I said $10 per hour, no takers.

Dude.......$200 a day was like 10 years ago

Those fuckers have been secretly unionizing behind taco trucks or something. I think pulling their shirt up over their belly and standing by a tree is like a secret signal that they're a member.

 

[17 10 Flat]

Man I think I need a raise I'm even sleeping with the Boss and not sure if I get 20 bucks an hour

I'm hoping you don't work for grads?.......

 

[mash on it]

im not sure about that ? they might own a few original properties , but the majority are sold to investors as a NNN property

with a 20 lease payout to investor then investor owns the property or Mcdees extends 5 years etc..

which i dont get , but its a way to quickly expand and gain locations ?

i would rather own the real estate ???

You should educate yourself.

Dan'l

 

[hallett21]

Dude.......$200 a day was like 10 years ago

Those fuckers have been secretly unionizing behind taco trucks or something. I think pulling their shirt up over their belly and standing by a tree is like a secret signal that they're a member.

It’s been a while but do I need to still buy lunch too?

 

[thetub]

You should educate yourself.

Dan'l

what do you mean ?

educate me ?

was looking at these for a while ?

 

[hallett21]

Interesting enough McDonald’s owns 50ish percent of restaurant real estate. But that makes up around 80% of their assets.

Edit: In 2023 they had 40 billion worth of real estate. They still had a market cap of 180 billion then.

 

[thetub]

Interesting enough McDonald’s owns 50ish percent of restaurant real estate. But that makes up around 80% of their assets.

Edit: In 2023 they had 40 billion worth of real estate. They still had a market cap of 180 billion then.

interesting didnt know that .

i know they offer them up for sale to investors , just ASSumed they all were

my mistake apologize Mashonit ive been educated