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I am well aware and if all goes well, we should be out that weekend. Not sure we'll do the run all the way up since we've been to the dam more times than I can remember, but maybe we'll come out and cruise with the group for a while if we can pull our asses out of bed in time. Otherwise we'll be at our beach on the AZ side kind of straight across from Cottonwood and just a little north. Anybody is welcome to come hang out!
A lot of the group was looking for a beach to meet up at on the way back. I figured it’d be hard to find an open beach at noon on a Saturday. But.. if someone is already there. lol
 

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A lot of the group was looking for a beach to meet up at on the way back. I figured it’d be hard to find an open beach at noon on a Saturday. But.. if someone is already there. lol

Ha, I can be there if you are all looking for a place to stop. Might be a few boats already there with our regular group, but usually there's room for 5-10 more depending on how big they are and if any anchor out. If I have the new boat out by then, it should be pretty easy to find us.
 

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Oh man just look at all that realestate under there! I swear, before I'm done with boats I'll be grabbing one like this and having them get rid of that bedroom area and dropping me in a big bowrider playpen section for my honeys. Nothing better than driving the boat while gazing up front at all that loveliness!
 

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Who is "they" when you are talking about working on the drives?

The boat has 90 original hours on it and according to @lavey jr above, the service records seem spot on. I believe the transmissions are Bam 1500 units.

At Tank's guidance I had a look at the prop shafts yesterday with Dan at Archer and he said they look great. Every time I've seen the boat with the exception of when we did the test drive, the props have been off of it, so they haven't been left to sit with salt on the shafts. The boat is having a full service done by Dan this week and into next week.

What happened with your Skater? My driving style isn't to race everything that floats or to do 100+ for long periods of time. Our typical day on the water is to launch, go up river and float for a while, then go to the beach for the rest of the day with maybe a short run into the basin and back before we head in. On occasion we may go up to the dam or down to Katherine's. I think I put about 100 hours on the 34 in the six years I've owned it. This boat will see short "let's go fast" runs here and there, but otherwise just cruising.

So far everybody I've talked to says things should last quite some time under those conditions?
It sounds like you have many good people looking at it. Everything I have seen regarding Archer looks to be top notch. I ran it much like you, cruise around 60-80, and I enjoyed the fact that I could push to 150 if we wanted, but rarely did.
To be honest, my biggest fault was trusting the seller who was a multiple offshore champion throttle man, but at the same time, I don't think we would have found much? The drives seemed ok until we opened them up, the motors ran fine until a rocker broke (second time out). My motors had just been rebuilt be Sterling and ran once prior to me buying.
I am not trying to be negative Nancy, and if I come across I apologize. I think one of @Tank friends had a situation like I did, and completely took him out of boating. The ONLY person to open up a number 6 is Vern at West Coast Drives, I don't want to throw the company under the bus who opened mine up and forget to put parts back in.
I am pulling for you for sure as it sounds like you are doing everything possible to cover yourself. Good luck!
 

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It sounds like you have many good people looking at it. Everything I have seen regarding Archer looks to be top notch. I ran it much like you, cruise around 60-80, and I enjoyed the fact that I could push to 150 if we wanted, but rarely did.
To be honest, my biggest fault was trusting the seller who was a multiple offshore champion throttle man, but at the same time, I don't think we would have found much? The drives seemed ok until we opened them up, the motors ran fine until a rocker broke (second time out). My motors had just been rebuilt be Sterling and ran once prior to me buying.
I am not trying to be negative Nancy, and if I come across I apologize. I think one of @Tank friends had a situation like I did, and completely took him out of boating. The ONLY person to open up a number 6 is Vern at West Coast Drives, I don't want to throw the company under the bus who opened mine up and forget to put parts back in.
I am pulling for you for sure as it sounds like you are doing everything possible to cover yourself. Good luck!
Yeah, more than one. I spoke about the woes of big power ownership above and even said some would chime in with the headaches of ownership.

I would just caution to set the expectation bar low when it comes to reliability with that size power. ESPECIALLY when coming out of a 496 boat. Like I said, it's ALWAYS something. Not always putting you out of boating completely for the day, but always something that needs tinkering, or adjusting or monitoring or minor repairing. Caution only, not Debbie downer.
 

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I just went back and read thread from top..... 13 year old boat with only 90 hours... thats a find! My most recent one was 8 years old / 100 hours and boy was she clean. Before I got ahold of her.
 

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Yeah, more than one. I spoke about the woes of big power ownership above and even said some would chime in with the headaches of ownership.

I would just caution to set the expectation bar low when it comes to reliability with that size power. ESPECIALLY when coming out of a 496 boat. Like I said, it's ALWAYS something. Not always putting you out of boating completely for the day, but always something that needs tinkering, or adjusting or monitoring or minor repairing. Caution only, not Debbie downer.
Would you think less of me if I go find one of these beauties and pull big power out and drop in two crate 350 Mags? You've got me scared Tankster.... just wave to me going by. :D
 

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Yeah, more than one. I spoke about the woes of big power ownership above and even said some would chime in with the headaches of ownership.

I would just caution to set the expectation bar low when it comes to reliability with that size power. ESPECIALLY when coming out of a 496 boat. Like I said, it's ALWAYS something. Not always putting you out of boating completely for the day, but always something that needs tinkering, or adjusting or monitoring or minor repairing. Caution only, not Debbie downer.
You know, that is a great point Tank. You will always have the hatches up when starting at the launch now, and you will stare at the engines looking for a new leak, or more belt dust then you thought you had before??? Unless equipped, there are no alarms to alert you to low pressures or high temps. I would (still do) constantly stare at my gauges and check to see if they are even, or wonder why one engine is running a little warmer (usually the engine with the p/s pump). You will also get a program down taking your props off and putting them on. Have your big piece of wood stashed in the truck bed, along with your breaker and socket. (I never trusted a battery powered impact gun). All the fun stuff!!! =)
 

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You know, that is a great point Tank. You will always have the hatches up when starting at the launch now, and you will stare at the engines looking for a new leak, or more belt dust then you thought you had before??? Unless equipped, there are no alarms to alert you to low pressures or high temps. I would (still do) constantly stare at my gauges and check to see if they are even, or wonder why one engine is running a little warmer (usually the engine with the p/s pump). You will also get a program down taking your props off and putting them on. Have your big piece of wood stashed in the truck bed, along with your breaker and socket. (I never trusted a battery powered impact gun). All the fun stuff!!! =)

yep, all the little BS that goes along with it. Worrying about nicking a cleaver or sucking some sand and over heating, blower maintenance, etc. Not to mention 99% of the time can’t find supreme fuel on the water for blower motors and the fuel consumption rate is insane once you touch that boost gauge.
I remember Phil Lipschutz (lipship performance) telling me while running in our top gun out of biscayne bay, he points at the boost gauge “that’s the money gauge. Go over zero, you start spending money real fast.” Lol he wasn’t just talking about fuel. that always stuck with me.
 

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It sounds like you have many good people looking at it. Everything I have seen regarding Archer looks to be top notch. I ran it much like you, cruise around 60-80, and I enjoyed the fact that I could push to 150 if we wanted, but rarely did.
To be honest, my biggest fault was trusting the seller who was a multiple offshore champion throttle man, but at the same time, I don't think we would have found much? The drives seemed ok until we opened them up, the motors ran fine until a rocker broke (second time out). My motors had just been rebuilt be Sterling and ran once prior to me buying.
I am not trying to be negative Nancy, and if I come across I apologize. I think one of @Tank friends had a situation like I did, and completely took him out of boating. The ONLY person to open up a number 6 is Vern at West Coast Drives, I don't want to throw the company under the bus who opened mine up and forget to put parts back in.
I am pulling for you for sure as it sounds like you are doing everything possible to cover yourself. Good luck!

I'm not taking you as negative at all. I appreciate learning about your experience and what I should be looking out for, so no worries.

Yeah, these are the risks we take. A broken rocker on a new engine seems like more of a fluke deal than the result of big power. I lost a head gasket on one of my 496s for no apparent reason. I guess my logic here is that comparing this boat to what I have now probably doesn't mean that much more risk because anything can go wrong with both of them.

Maybe I'm talking myself into it, but the thought I've been having is it would be similar to (or even less) than stepping up from something like my father in law has...23 Ultra Shadow with a single 496...up to my twin engine 34. Twice the engines, twice the maintenance, twice the potential for problems, more systems to fail, just more boat to deal with. At least this new one still only has two engines and not many more systems than the 34. The difference in degree of risk increase between going from the 23 to the 34 and the 34 to the 43 may not actually be as much, if that makes any sense.

Case in point, I asked Gary at GT what a rebuild would cost me for one of these 1200s. "About $15K". Then I asked him what a rebuild would cost me on one of my current 496HOs. "About $15K". From that standpoint, I'm already in the risk zone. One could argue the 1200 would be more likely to require a rebuild and I'd agree, but clearly as we see from my head gasket issue, 496s can have problems too - and this one has been in no way abused.

Like I said, maybe I'm talking myself into it, but it's a risk we all take even when we start getting into boating. I guess all I can do is have the best people I can find check it out and find any warning signs up front and then later make sure I treat it right so as not to break anything as a result of my own actions.

Maybe I'll build an enclosed parking area for the 34 and keep it just in case. :)
 

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yep, all the little BS that goes along with it. Worrying about nicking a cleaver or sucking some sand and over heating, blower maintenance, etc. Not to mention 99% of the time can’t find supreme fuel on the water for blower motors and the fuel consumption rate is insane once you touch that boost gauge.
I remember Phil Lipschutz (lipship performance) telling me while running in our top gun out of biscayne bay, he points at the boost gauge “that’s the money gauge. Go over zero, you start spending money real fast.” Lol he wasn’t just talking about fuel. that always stuck with me.
We never filled up on the water. I had a good relationship (most do) with the airport in my home town or Havasu. That made it tough though..
 

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I'm not taking you as negative at all. I appreciate learning about your experience and what I should be looking out for, so no worries.

Yeah, these are the risks we take. A broken rocker on a new engine seems like more of a fluke deal than the result of big power. I lost a head gasket on one of my 496s for no apparent reason. I guess my logic here is that comparing this boat to what I have now probably doesn't mean that much more risk because anything can go wrong with both of them.

Maybe I'm talking myself into it, but the thought I've been having is it would be similar to (or even less) than stepping up from something like my father in law has...23 Ultra Shadow with a single 496...up to my twin engine 34. Twice the engines, twice the maintenance, twice the potential for problems, more systems to fail, just more boat to deal with. At least this new one still only has two engines and not many more systems than the 34. The difference in degree of risk increase between going from the 23 to the 34 and the 34 to the 43 may not actually be as much, if that makes any sense.

Case in point, I asked Gary at GT what a rebuild would cost me for one of these 1200s. "About $15K". Then I asked him what a rebuild would cost me on one of my current 496HOs. "About $15K". From that standpoint, I'm already in the risk zone. One could argue the 1200 would be more likely to require a rebuild and I'd agree, but clearly as we see from my head gasket issue, 496s can have problems too - and this one has been in no way abused.

Like I said, maybe I'm talking myself into it, but it's a risk we all take even when we start getting into boating. I guess all I can do is have the best people I can find check it out and find any warning signs up front and then later make sure I treat it right so as not to break anything as a result of my own actions.

Maybe I'll build an enclosed parking area for the 34 and keep it just in case. :)
I was thinking 20k, so we are in the ballpark. You need to do it and experience it, yolo. Coming from 496's and Bravo's to 1200 and 6's is every boaters dream, at least I know it was mine. Have fun, and check back pics!!
 

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We never filled up on the water. I had a good relationship (most do) with the airport in my home town or Havasu. That made it tough though..

You ran av-gas in yours? This one is set up for 91 and I pull off the water every day, so I'd be able to fill up in Searchlight where it's a little less expensive.
 

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You ran av-gas in yours? This one is set up for 91 and I pull off the water every day, so I'd be able to fill up in Searchlight where it's a little less expensive.
Yes, the last rebuild we set them up at right about 9-10psi, which ended up at 1150-1175ish? The main reason was I was so paranoid at that point that I wanted no excuses. It was also at that point that I realized Sterling was full of shit. Going from 1150-1300 or whatever they say you can with that setup would be damn near impossible. You would have to spin that 1471 so fast it would it wouldn't make sense. Your quadrotors are another story.
 

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Ha, I can be there if you are all looking for a place to stop. Might be a few boats already there with our regular group, but usually there's room for 5-10 more depending on how big they are and if any anchor out. If I have the new boat out by then, it should be pretty easy to find us.

Is this the beach you’re talking about?

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Been by it. That’s my drone shot.


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Nice. Water was way, way down when you took that. Sometime in October/November?

Stop by and say hi during the dam run or another time you see us out. Pretty sure most people know what boat I'll be in now. 😄
 

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Nice. Water was way, way down when you took that. Sometime in October/November?

Stop by and say hi during the dam run or another time you see us out. Pretty sure most people know what boat I'll be in now. [emoji1]

That was taken in mid-December and we definitely will.


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I'm not taking you as negative at all. I appreciate learning about your experience and what I should be looking out for, so no worries.

Yeah, these are the risks we take. A broken rocker on a new engine seems like more of a fluke deal than the result of big power. I lost a head gasket on one of my 496s for no apparent reason. I guess my logic here is that comparing this boat to what I have now probably doesn't mean that much more risk because anything can go wrong with both of them.

Maybe I'm talking myself into it, but the thought I've been having is it would be similar to (or even less) than stepping up from something like my father in law has...23 Ultra Shadow with a single 496...up to my twin engine 34. Twice the engines, twice the maintenance, twice the potential for problems, more systems to fail, just more boat to deal with. At least this new one still only has two engines and not many more systems than the 34. The difference in degree of risk increase between going from the 23 to the 34 and the 34 to the 43 may not actually be as much, if that makes any sense.

Case in point, I asked Gary at GT what a rebuild would cost me for one of these 1200s. "About $15K". Then I asked him what a rebuild would cost me on one of my current 496HOs. "About $15K". From that standpoint, I'm already in the risk zone. One could argue the 1200 would be more likely to require a rebuild and I'd agree, but clearly as we see from my head gasket issue, 496s can have problems too - and this one has been in no way abused.

Like I said, maybe I'm talking myself into it, but it's a risk we all take even when we start getting into boating. I guess all I can do is have the best people I can find check it out and find any warning signs up front and then later make sure I treat it right so as not to break anything as a result of my own actions.

Maybe I'll build an enclosed parking area for the 34 and keep it just in case. :)
I'm enjoying your thought processes on this new boat excursion..... these are the type risks & challenges that guys like me will need to hear before jumping into a bigger ride.... I've never been walked through it like this so it's a great benefit. Please check in from time to time as you begin running the 43'..... good to have two experienced guys on thread too [Tank & Duramax]
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Shueman or of course Bob would be the best source for the the amount of 34's. I do remember an all grey one with the oval type windows in the front all along the rub rail and Bob said it was going to South Africa if I remember right, he also indicated it wasn't the first one.

I was backing my golf cart out of the garage just now.One of the walls is covered with posters and pics of stuff from the last 35 years. I look over and see this. Think it’s a34 Eliminator if I’m not mistaken. Was from an article in powerboat mag.
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I was backing my golf cart out of the garage just now.One of the walls is covered with posters and pics of stuff from the last 35 years. I look over and see this. Think it’s a34 Eliminator if I’m not mistaken. Was from an article in powerboat mag.
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Pretty cool pic, looks like a 34 to me.👍
 

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I was backing my golf cart out of the garage just now.One of the walls is covered with posters and pics of stuff from the last 35 years. I look over and see this. Think it’s a34 Eliminator if I’m not mistaken. Was from an article in powerboat mag.
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You want a real one? Been driven a lot easier than the one in your picture!
 

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Well...after working through some issues, it looks like I'll be taking delivery on Friday. Not sure if I posted this previously, but I pulled the dipsticks after my test drive with Joe and found a milkshake in the left engine. Originally thought it was a header leak, but turned out to be a cracked head. Apparently very unusual with the Dart aluminum heads, but can obviously happen. There is no obvious cause for why it happened. Lead times on new heads from Dart are insane, but fortunately, Team Archer has a contact there and managed to get a new set in two weeks.

Had to wait for some other parts, but long story short, both engines were fired back up today and seem to run great. The good news is I got an entirely new top end on the port engine, which I certainly won't be sad about getting. Much respect to Joe Malich on this deal. He's had to shell out some cash getting the boat back up to snuff and has worked with me on a couple of other issues (like allowing me to have the swim step removed and powder coated before I actually took delivery of the boat). Even though we've run into some problems that have required some patience, Joe has been great about not making them bigger than they need to be and I now consider him a friend.

Doing some run time and prop testing tomorrow to see which set Joe has that will work best. @Tank it looks like I'll probably end up with a set of 17" x 36p Herrings, but will be looking to trade those for 17.5" x 36-38p or 18" x 36-38p cleavers because this boat will want a lot more prop. So if you know any sources...

If all goes well tomorrow and we don't have any issues, it'll be a done deal and I'll drag the boat up to NV on Friday just in time for the dam run on Saturday. We won't go all the way to the dam since we've been there so many times, but we'll be out running around. For those of you who want to take a break on the way back outside of Cottonwood, we'll be at our regular beach. @Riley1 knows which one it is (I think), so feel free to stop by and hang out.

Fingers crossed everything goes to plan over the next couple of days...
 

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You know, that is a great point Tank. You will always have the hatches up when starting at the launch now, and you will stare at the engines looking for a new leak, or more belt dust then you thought you had before??? Unless equipped, there are no alarms to alert you to low pressures or high temps. I would (still do) constantly stare at my gauges and check to see if they are even, or wonder why one engine is running a little warmer (usually the engine with the p/s pump). You will also get a program down taking your props off and putting them on. Have your big piece of wood stashed in the truck bed, along with your breaker and socket. (I never trusted a battery powered impact gun). All the fun stuff!!! =)


A torque wrench and a bag of spare prop nuts.
 

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Well...after working through some issues, it looks like I'll be taking delivery on Friday. Not sure if I posted this previously, but I pulled the dipsticks after my test drive with Joe and found a milkshake in the left engine. Originally thought it was a header leak, but turned out to be a cracked head. Apparently very unusual with the Dart aluminum heads, but can obviously happen. There is no obvious cause for why it happened. Lead times on new heads from Dart are insane, but fortunately, Team Archer has a contact there and managed to get a new set in two weeks.

Had to wait for some other parts, but long story short, both engines were fired back up today and seem to run great. The good news is I got an entirely new top end on the port engine, which I certainly won't be sad about getting. Much respect to Joe Malich on this deal. He's had to shell out some cash getting the boat back up to snuff and has worked with me on a couple of other issues (like allowing me to have the swim step removed and powder coated before I actually took delivery of the boat). Even though we've run into some problems that have required some patience, Joe has been great about not making them bigger than they need to be and I now consider him a friend.

Doing some run time and prop testing tomorrow to see which set Joe has that will work best. @Tank it looks like I'll probably end up with a set of 17" x 36p Herrings, but will be looking to trade those for 17.5" x 36-38p or 18" x 36-38p cleavers because this boat will want a lot more prop. So if you know any sources...

If all goes well tomorrow and we don't have any issues, it'll be a done deal and I'll drag the boat up to NV on Friday just in time for the dam run on Saturday. We won't go all the way to the dam since we've been there so many times, but we'll be out running around. For those of you who want to take a break on the way back outside of Cottonwood, we'll be at our regular beach. @Riley1 knows which one it is (I think), so feel free to stop by and hang out.

Fingers crossed everything goes to plan over the next couple of days...
Congrants! That's awesome. Glad you found the leak with the motor prior to taking delivery.

I checked with buddies about the props, they don't have that big. That's a big prop! May be difficult tracking that down.

Either way, post lots of pics and again, congrats. Awesome boat man.
 

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Well...after working through some issues, it looks like I'll be taking delivery on Friday. Not sure if I posted this previously, but I pulled the dipsticks after my test drive with Joe and found a milkshake in the left engine. Originally thought it was a header leak, but turned out to be a cracked head. Apparently very unusual with the Dart aluminum heads, but can obviously happen. There is no obvious cause for why it happened. Lead times on new heads from Dart are insane, but fortunately, Team Archer has a contact there and managed to get a new set in two weeks.

Had to wait for some other parts, but long story short, both engines were fired back up today and seem to run great. The good news is I got an entirely new top end on the port engine, which I certainly won't be sad about getting. Much respect to Joe Malich on this deal. He's had to shell out some cash getting the boat back up to snuff and has worked with me on a couple of other issues (like allowing me to have the swim step removed and powder coated before I actually took delivery of the boat). Even though we've run into some problems that have required some patience, Joe has been great about not making them bigger than they need to be and I now consider him a friend.

Doing some run time and prop testing tomorrow to see which set Joe has that will work best. @Tank it looks like I'll probably end up with a set of 17" x 36p Herrings, but will be looking to trade those for 17.5" x 36-38p or 18" x 36-38p cleavers because this boat will want a lot more prop. So if you know any sources...

If all goes well tomorrow and we don't have any issues, it'll be a done deal and I'll drag the boat up to NV on Friday just in time for the dam run on Saturday. We won't go all the way to the dam since we've been there so many times, but we'll be out running around. For those of you who want to take a break on the way back outside of Cottonwood, we'll be at our regular beach. @Riley1 knows which one it is (I think), so feel free to stop by and hang out.

Fingers crossed everything goes to plan over the next couple of days...
Thank god you pulled those dipsticks. Good luck buddy!
 

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Great thread.... glad its worked out for ya and congrats on new ride. Pays to pull those oil sticks eh! Make sure to take pics over the weekend.... and of course I'd love to hear your opinions after a couple days on water how different it is transitioning from 34' to 43' around ramps & docks. I enjoyed your analysis earlier.... now you get to feel it for real.
 

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I was looking for any pics of your new beast from the weekend... wasn't sure you made it out. So do you care to share any experience points from first weekend out on her? Mostly related to what coming from 34-43' was like. Sounds like the River gang doesn't have to deal with excessive docking and line issues so thats nice.... just stuff em on sand looks like till days end to delaunch.

Taking this from the Damn Dam Run thread so it doesn't get too off topic.

To put it simply, the 43 is pretty amazing. Doesn't plane that well unless I bury the tabs and the drives, but the props on it are a little small. We are working on possibly changing that. However, after about 10 seconds of getting on plane (not bad for a boat that size, I guess) and watching the RPMs to make sure the props don't blow out, the boat really takes off. The acceleration is reasonably forceful when I start to bring the tabs and the drives up. Still getting familiar with the controls and handling, but ran it up to about 100 at one point with plenty left. That was fast enough for the first weekend out.

Handling and response are slower than the 34. Maybe I'm still getting used to it, but I'm being sure to take turns wide. Being the Larry Smith Scarab bottom with two huge steps, I'm being very cautious not to spin it out. The drive trim isn't as responsive as the 34, but the 6 drives are pretty big, so it's to be expected that trim changes might take a little longer. The key with this boat when you combine the added speed and less snappy response is to be looking further ahead and getting better at anticipating what might happen and what to do if it does.

Rough water pretty much doesn't exist. Took it in the basin a bit on the morning of the dam run when a few folks commented on getting bounced around, and had no problems. Crossing wakes from other boats doesn't seem to have much of an effect. In the 34 I would have to trim down a bit so as not to bounce or catch too much air. In the 43, just leave things as-is and have at it. The extra length of course helps, but the staggered engines really seem to help the balance of things.

Stand by for the fuel bill if running at high speeds for long distances. To be expected though. We ran roughly 80 from Cottonwood to Willow and from what I can tell, I managed to empty the tanks pretty good. There are three tanks though with one that transfers to the others. I haven't quite figured out the setup yet, so I really have no idea how much fuel we used.

Wife loves the rooster tail. She also seems to be good with getting in and out of the boat while floating. We had some concerns about not having a ladder and/or the powder coated swim step being too slippery for us or the weenie dogs. We got used to getting in and out on the sides of the swim step and not the center like the 34. The cleavers on this boat are definitely something to stay away from. All things considered, there weren't too many issues with access, which is good. The whole happy wife deal, you know.

So we put a few hours on it this weekend, nothing broke, and overall we're really happy with it so far. Wife is still getting used to putting it on the trailer since it has different handling characteristics at low speeds than the 34, but we'll get there. It's not really a family type boat, but for us and what we do at Mohave, it's great as far as we can tell.

It's a different class of boat that comes with some trade offs. I think after we get used to it, the differences we see now in terms of convenience and ease of management versus the 34 will get smaller and we'll fall into a more "normal" feel. Love it so far though. It'll be a long, long time before I get the upgrade bug again, I think.

Hopefully that answers some of the questions a few folks have asked me to post up answers to. A couple of pics from the weekend:

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I'm glad you like it. What a longshot for me to post about a Dallas Craigslist ad, the boat is in SoCal, you see the thread, and buy it.

Well, that was part of it. I had seen this topic and thought that would be neat to upgrade to. Then my wife saw it posted on the Facebook Eliminator group deal a few days later, showed it to me, and said, "Look at that boat. That would be cool to have." I told her I had seen it here and I agree. The rest is history...
 

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Taking this from the Damn Dam Run thread so it doesn't get too off topic.

To put it simply, the 43 is pretty amazing. Doesn't plane that well unless I bury the tabs and the drives, but the props on it are a little small. We are working on possibly changing that. However, after about 10 seconds of getting on plane (not bad for a boat that size, I guess) and watching the RPMs to make sure the props don't blow out, the boat really takes off. The acceleration is reasonably forceful when I start to bring the tabs and the drives up. Still getting familiar with the controls and handling, but ran it up to about 100 at one point with plenty left. That was fast enough for the first weekend out.

Handling and response are slower than the 34. Maybe I'm still getting used to it, but I'm being sure to take turns wide. Being the Larry Smith Scarab bottom with two huge steps, I'm being very cautious not to spin it out. The drive trim isn't as responsive as the 34, but the 6 drives are pretty big, so it's to be expected that trim changes might take a little longer. The key with this boat when you combine the added speed and less snappy response is to be looking further ahead and getting better at anticipating what might happen and what to do if it does.

Rough water pretty much doesn't exist. Took it in the basin a bit on the morning of the dam run when a few folks commented on getting bounced around, and had no problems. Crossing wakes from other boats doesn't seem to have much of an effect. In the 34 I would have to trim down a bit so as not to bounce or catch too much air. In the 43, just leave things as-is and have at it. The extra length of course helps, but the staggered engines really seem to help the balance of things.

Stand by for the fuel bill if running at high speeds for long distances. To be expected though. We ran roughly 80 from Cottonwood to Willow and from what I can tell, I managed to empty the tanks pretty good. There are three tanks though with one that transfers to the others. I haven't quite figured out the setup yet, so I really have no idea how much fuel we used.

Wife loves the rooster tail. She also seems to be good with getting in and out of the boat while floating. We had some concerns about not having a ladder and/or the powder coated swim step being too slippery for us or the weenie dogs. We got used to getting in and out on the sides of the swim step and not the center like the 34. The cleavers on this boat are definitely something to stay away from. All things considered, there weren't too many issues with access, which is good. The whole happy wife deal, you know.

So we put a few hours on it this weekend, nothing broke, and overall we're really happy with it so far. Wife is still getting used to putting it on the trailer since it has different handling characteristics at low speeds than the 34, but we'll get there. It's not really a family type boat, but for us and what we do at Mohave, it's great as far as we can tell.

It's a different class of boat that comes with some trade offs. I think after we get used to it, the differences we see now in terms of convenience and ease of management versus the 34 will get smaller and we'll fall into a more "normal" feel. Love it so far though. It'll be a long, long time before I get the upgrade bug again, I think.

Hopefully that answers some of the questions a few folks have asked me to post up answers to. A couple of pics from the weekend:

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Thanks for that write up.... loved your statement, "Rough water pretty much doesn't exists..." Ive spoken with guys in this size class that run offshore and they talk about how a 40 footer will kinda fly across the rollers in swells as opposed to dipping up and down and over in shorter hulls. I also enjoyed your "My wife is adjusting to its handling differences at slow speeds getting it on trailer." So that is rare right... most guys don't have their gal drive boats onto trailers... seems like gals are typically in the trucks backing down while dudes run em up onto trailers. Impressive. Also, this beefier ride takes more time to do things which makes sense I think.... like getting off step and turns are more deliberate and planned.
 

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Great looking boat, the pictures just don't convey the size of that thing.😮
 
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I also enjoyed your "My wife is adjusting to its handling differences at slow speeds getting it on trailer." So that is rare right... most guys don't have their gal drive boats onto trailers... seems like gals are typically in the trucks backing down while dudes run em up onto trailers. Impressive.

Yeah, she does a good job and she's a keeper. When we first got together, I told her you either have to back the truck and trailer or you have to put the boat on the trailer. She's better at putting the boat on, so she chose that. I think she also chose that because she doesn't want to do the hot walk through the parking lot to go get the truck...ha.

Funny story...she tricked me at the beginning. When we started going to the river together, I had the 34 Eliminator. Her ex and her used to go to Havasu and she used to have to put their boat on the trailer too, mainly because he was a dumbass who would get drunk and high on pills and pass out at the end of the day if not before.

The 34 being a bigger boat, I wanted to make sure she could handle it safely, so I asked her what size her former boat was. "Um, I think it's a 28." Was the response. Good enough. Going from 28 to 34 isn't that big of a jump and she did a great job with it.

A couple of months later I helped her sell her old boat after the ex and her had worked a deal on splitting stuff up. She sent me some pics and I noticed it was on a double axle trailer, which would be odd for a 28'. I zoom in on the pics a little bit and see 23 on the side. From 23 to 34 is a much bigger jump. Little shit told me 28 partially because she wasn't too sure what her boat actually was (what girl does, really) and didn't want me to worry about her being able to handle it. She does handle it well though and just needs to practice with the 43 a little more. But 23 to 43 in about 6 years isn't too bad.
 

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Yeah, she does a good job and she's a keeper. When we first got together, I told her you either have to back the truck and trailer or you have to put the boat on the trailer. She's better at putting the boat on, so she chose that. I think she also chose that because she doesn't want to do the hot walk through the parking lot to go get the truck...ha.

Funny story...she tricked me at the beginning. When we started going to the river together, I had the 34 Eliminator. Her ex and her used to go to Havasu and she used to have to put their boat on the trailer too, mainly because he was a dumbass who would get drunk and high on pills and pass out at the end of the day if not before.

The 34 being a bigger boat, I wanted to make sure she could handle it safely, so I asked her what size her former boat was. "Um, I think it's a 28." Was the response. Good enough. Going from 28 to 34 isn't that big of a jump and she did a great job with it.

A couple of months later I helped her sell her old boat after the ex and her had worked a deal on splitting stuff up. She sent me some pics and I noticed it was on a double axle trailer, which would be odd for a 28'. I zoom in on the pics a little bit and see 23 on the side. From 23 to 34 is a much bigger jump. Little shit told me 28 partially because she wasn't too sure what her boat actually was (what girl does, really) and didn't want me to worry about her being able to handle it. She does handle it well though and just needs to practice with the 43 a little more. But 23 to 43 in about 6 years isn't too bad.
Great stories.... indeed she's a keeper.... Cant say I've ever trusted a gal to handle that side of boating ... granted I have trust issues, lol..... just kicking back watching a gal drive a 43' up a trailer at ramp would call for a fresh beer and stopping all my other stuff for a bit. I bet you get plenty of attention.
 

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Taking this from the Damn Dam Run thread so it doesn't get too off topic.

To put it simply, the 43 is pretty amazing. Doesn't plane that well unless I bury the tabs and the drives, but the props on it are a little small. We are working on possibly changing that. However, after about 10 seconds of getting on plane (not bad for a boat that size, I guess) and watching the RPMs to make sure the props don't blow out, the boat really takes off. The acceleration is reasonably forceful when I start to bring the tabs and the drives up. Still getting familiar with the controls and handling, but ran it up to about 100 at one point with plenty left. That was fast enough for the first weekend out.

Handling and response are slower than the 34. Maybe I'm still getting used to it, but I'm being sure to take turns wide. Being the Larry Smith Scarab bottom with two huge steps, I'm being very cautious not to spin it out. The drive trim isn't as responsive as the 34, but the 6 drives are pretty big, so it's to be expected that trim changes might take a little longer. The key with this boat when you combine the added speed and less snappy response is to be looking further ahead and getting better at anticipating what might happen and what to do if it does.

Rough water pretty much doesn't exist. Took it in the basin a bit on the morning of the dam run when a few folks commented on getting bounced around, and had no problems. Crossing wakes from other boats doesn't seem to have much of an effect. In the 34 I would have to trim down a bit so as not to bounce or catch too much air. In the 43, just leave things as-is and have at it. The extra length of course helps, but the staggered engines really seem to help the balance of things.

Stand by for the fuel bill if running at high speeds for long distances. To be expected though. We ran roughly 80 from Cottonwood to Willow and from what I can tell, I managed to empty the tanks pretty good. There are three tanks though with one that transfers to the others. I haven't quite figured out the setup yet, so I really have no idea how much fuel we used.

Wife loves the rooster tail. She also seems to be good with getting in and out of the boat while floating. We had some concerns about not having a ladder and/or the powder coated swim step being too slippery for us or the weenie dogs. We got used to getting in and out on the sides of the swim step and not the center like the 34. The cleavers on this boat are definitely something to stay away from. All things considered, there weren't too many issues with access, which is good. The whole happy wife deal, you know.

So we put a few hours on it this weekend, nothing broke, and overall we're really happy with it so far. Wife is still getting used to putting it on the trailer since it has different handling characteristics at low speeds than the 34, but we'll get there. It's not really a family type boat, but for us and what we do at Mohave, it's great as far as we can tell.

It's a different class of boat that comes with some trade offs. I think after we get used to it, the differences we see now in terms of convenience and ease of management versus the 34 will get smaller and we'll fall into a more "normal" feel. Love it so far though. It'll be a long, long time before I get the upgrade bug again, I think.

Hopefully that answers some of the questions a few folks have asked me to post up answers to. A couple of pics from the weekend:

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You will notice that a 6 boat will have a much smaller trim range than a Bravo boat. I ended up getting some neoprene prop covers (BBlades) that I put on in the water when we stay for a while and swim. They are really neat and I don't worry about my 4yr old getting cut.

Sounds like a great first trip! Keep up on the maintenance and have a great summer!
 

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Great stories.... indeed she's a keeper.... Cant say I've ever trusted a gal to handle that side of boating ... granted I have trust issues, lol..... just kicking back watching a gal drive a 43' up a trailer at ramp would call for a fresh beer and stopping all my other stuff for a bit. I bet you get plenty of attention.

I tell her she's got one of the best teachers.😁

It definitely gets the attention. Her putting the 34 on used to get a lot of looks and even some clapping after it was done. Now it's a whole lot more because power boats 40+ at Cottonwood are rare.

It's good and bad. On one hand she likes to be that capable girl who can do what boys do, but on the other hand she's got an added amount of nerves now that everybody in the marina is watching. I shallowed up the trailer on Sunday. That seemed to help the boat kind of bounce back and forth on up the bunks and land in the right place.
 

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I tell her she's got one of the best teachers.😁

It definitely gets the attention. Her putting the 34 on used to get a lot of looks and even some clapping after it was done. Now it's a whole lot more because power boats 40+ at Cottonwood are rare.

It's good and bad. On one hand she likes to be that capable girl who can do what boys do, but on the other hand she's got an added amount of nerves now that everybody in the marina is watching. I shallowed up the trailer on Sunday. That seemed to help the boat kind of bounce back and forth on up the bunks and land in the right place.
All the more power to her. Thumbs up to you both.
 

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That 43' is one of the most beautiful boats ever created. Her lines are timeless! I still remember the ads and the pictures of her in the Wellcraft catalog. I have always been in love with the 43' DJ edition. Congratulations on your new ride! 😎
 

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Ha, stalker! Looks like you caught us just as we were turning into our little community. You should have stopped and said hi.
Lol yea you had just turned as we got past the median area, was like dammit that’s a big boat then half a second later realized what boat it was told the boss hey get a pic it’s cooler than an RDP sticker for sure.
 

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For those of you who care and asked me to provide updates...

So almost a year later and we still love this boat. The 34 sold earlier this year and was taken by the new owners to Texas. Sad to see it go.

The 43 cost me some money over the winter. Had a slight ticking noise out of the right engine at the end of last season. Took it to Barrett in December. Couldn't find anything wrong and had nothing to fix. Strange.

While there I had AJ check the drives. Vern came over and recommended he get into them because one of them had a little catch in it when rotated. Long story short, one of them did require a new prop shaft because salt water had gotten into the case and the boat sat long enough such that the oil and water completely separated and the salt was able to corrode the shaft inside the case. Had him rebuild both drives and do what he needed to do...$10K there, but Vern is my buddy now. He has a redhead wife and weenie dogs like I do, so we commiserated for a while as we pulled the drives off and then put them back on a few weeks later. That guy is full of great stories and a ton of knowledge.

Had Main Stitch pull the faded engine hatch cover and reupholster that while the boat was over at Vern's. About $3K there, but a nice job redoing it like it was before with all of the different colors.

Still was curious about Barrett not finding the source of the ticking noise, so took the boat to GT and told Gary to dig into the top end, see what he could see, and if he found nothing wrong, replace all of the lifters. They can fail intermittently and are really the only thing in an engine that might "heal" themselves, at least temporarily. Gary found nothing obviously wrong and replaced all of the lifters. About $4K there, but the ticking noise has not returned.

So roughly $17K in work over the winter plus some miscellaneous other stuff on the trailer and regular service stuff. Been trouble free this season so far. I don't run it hard, but stretch it out here and there. That fuel bill though...ooof. Wouldn't be so bad in prior years, but it was poor timing buying this boat right before gas prices really went stupid. You can bet on me saying "Fuck Biden" every time I'm at the pump putting gas in.

Still haven't found bigger props yet. The search continues.

The wife still gets a ton of attention putting it on the trailer and has had to yell at a few clowns to get out of her way when she is on approach. And by yelling, I mean everybody in the marina can hear it yelling. She's got a hell of a voice. Funny how some just don't realize they are in the way and the big ass boat behind them they just cut off won't stop or maneuver very easily, but morons on the water are a whole other topic. I have found that if I shallow up the trailer, putting the boat on it is much easier.

So far so good and we don't yet regret the purchase.

For anybody doing the dam run this year, I think we will be out that weekend, but we probably won't go upriver (done it so many times). We will likely be at our beach like last year. Stop by and say hi.
 
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