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Strongly considering this as an upgrade to the 34. Seems like some good historical knowledge of the boat here. What else should I be concerned about with it?

If you're serious, the only thing you need to worry about owning this is the potential for high dollar maintenance with the power. In my experience, anything over 8 to 900 hp starts to get astronomically high maintenance and finicky.

But as far as going down there and buying it, I'd leak down the motors (exhaust), compression test, check the oil on the drives and have an oil sample sent in for annalysis (rebuilding a 6 is no cheap affair), take the props off of the 6's to check the prop shafts (this boat has been run in the ocean and if the props haven't been removed the corrosion eats the shafts which can run up to 3k each to replace). Get a survey and get someone that knows moisture and rot well and have them check the transom.

Take a good look under the areas of the boat that aren't immediately visible. Seriously, dude selling it has some photos in the ad for a while that showed the interior stained and leaves in the bilge and what not. Looked like the thing had been sitting out for a while.
 

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If you're serious, the only thing you need to worry about owning this is the potential for high dollar maintenance with the power. In my experience, anything over 8 to 900 hp starts to get astronomically high maintenance and finicky.

But as far as going down there and buying it, I'd leak down the motors (exhaust), compression test, check the oil on the drives and have an oil sample sent in for annalysis (rebuilding a 6 is no cheap affair), take the props off of the 6's to check the prop shafts (this boat has been run in the ocean and if the props haven't been removed the corrosion eats the shafts which can run up to 3k each to replace). Get a survey and get someone that knows moisture and rot well and have them check the transom.

Take a good look under the areas of the boat that aren't immediately visible. Seriously, dude selling it has some photos in the ad for a while that showed the interior stained and leaves in the bilge and what not. Looked like the thing had been sitting out for a while.

Thanks. Engine tests would definitely be on the list. Good info about being used in the salt and having sat around a bit. As far as high dollar maintenance on the engines, what items are there with this one? I've had a few blower motors and have one now in a pro street car. All I've really come across is keep up on the oil changes and adjust the lifters periodically. Impellers and more filters would also exist on this boat, but what else?
 

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Thanks. Engine tests would definitely be on the list. Good info about being used in the salt and having sat around a bit. As far as high dollar maintenance on the engines, what items are there with this one? I've had a few blower motors and have one now in a pro street car. All I've really come across is keep up on the oil changes and adjust the lifters periodically. Impellers and more filters would also exist on this boat, but what else?

When you hear people say "big power is high maintenance" they're usually not referring to the routine maintenance stuff. For the most part, the maintenance schedule on all performance boats is the same, for the most part. I think what they're referring to is the fact it always seems like something needs to be replaced, repaired, tinkered with, etc. I'm sure others that have owned big aftermarket power will chime in but basically, it just seems to me there's always something and rebuilds come quicker and are more expensive. Of course it all depends on how you (and unfortunately in this case the person before you) use(d) the power. Seen big motors go 5 hours and see them go 300 hours depending on use.

I've had a few friends that having big power basically turned them off of boating.

With all that said, these Eliminator / Scarabs are bad ass. I've always liked the Scarab lines as far back as the KV hulls. I've had a couple buddies with stepped scarab hulls. They're great running and riding boats. Eat up big water and are efficient. Roomy cockpit and cabin. I think the Eliminator versions live up to that expectation.
 

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Boat is going on 13yrs old. Motors and drives have sat for long periods of time without use.

Could be money well spent to go through everything. New bearings lifters, springs and new rings etc.
cheaper to rebuild while it’s still running before something breaks.
 

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When you hear people say "big power is high maintenance" they're usually not referring to the routine maintenance stuff. For the most part, the maintenance schedule on all performance boats is the same, for the most part. I think what they're referring to is the fact it always seems like something needs to be replaced, repaired, tinkered with, etc. I'm sure others that have owned big aftermarket power will chime in but basically, it just seems to me there's always something and rebuilds come quicker and are more expensive. Of course it all depends on how you (and unfortunately in this case the person before you) use(d) the power. Seen big motors go 5 hours and see them go 300 hours depending on use.

I've had a few friends that having big power basically turned them off of boating.

With all that said, these Eliminator / Scarabs are bad ass. I've always liked the Scarab lines as far back as the KV hulls. I've had a couple buddies with stepped scarab hulls. They're great running and riding boats. Eat up big water and are efficient. Roomy cockpit and cabin. I think the Eliminator versions live up to that expectation.

Got it. When "maintenance" was mentioned, I took that as the regular stuff. The high horsepower units won't typically last as long depending on how they are driven. I wouldn't be likely to run them too hard and they'd probably last for quite some time, but I don't know what kind of hell the previous owner put them through. The fact they are so high in the horsepower area is actually the thing that concerns me most about this one. As I get older, reliability and not having to pull wrenches becomes more important. I don't mind it as an occasional deal, but not every trip. Seems to be a risk we all take with buying any boat though...
 

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Got it. When "maintenance" was mentioned, I took that as the regular stuff. The high horsepower units won't typically last as long depending on how they are driven. I wouldn't be likely to run them too hard and they'd probably last for quite some time, but I don't know what kind of hell the previous owner put them through. The fact they are so high in the horsepower area is actually the thing that concerns me most about this one. As I get older, reliability and not having to pull wrenches becomes more important. I don't mind it as an occasional deal, but not every trip. Seems to be a risk we all take with buying any boat though...
Absolutely. If I were looking to buy this boat I'd just budget in rebuilds. Peace of mind. Also, they can be detuned to be less radical. That boats gonna still haul ass at 900-1,000 HP range.
 

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First hand experience I can tell you all that this boat is extremely clean!

I worked on this boat for Joe not too long before I left Lavey. The engine compartment is near spotless, interior is in good not great shape, under deck is spotless, did a couple small gel repairs and a complete detail inside and out buff and hand wax (yes it’s a monster to clean).

Seen the service records and they look spot on. Ran the boat on the hose and there’s zero audible noises to be concerned about, he took it to the lake and it runs great but forgot the MPH we ran. If I was in the market for a big V with big HP I’d definitely consider this boat.

Just my .02 cents.

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This boat can handle rough water EXTREMELY well!! When Tony C was driving the red and white 1075 boat at one of the SCOPE runs, I was driving the Lavey 39 EVO running around 90mph and Tony flew past us! The boat looked amazing and flew perfectly level through all the swells.
 
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Absolutely. If I were looking to buy this boat I'd just budget in rebuilds. Peace of mind. Also, they can be detuned to be less radical. That boats gonna still haul ass at 900-1,000 HP range.

That's what I'd do. No need to boost the shit out of them and run race gas.
 

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Look forward to seeing you on Havasu with it! 😁 👍 ;)

Ha, no Havasu for me.

Still not sold. Wife and I need to think on it. We love the 34. Hate to give up a really good boat for one that could be problems.
 

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Ha, no Havasu for me.

Still not sold. Wife and I need to think on it. We love the 34. Hate to give up a really good boat for one that could be problems.
EVERY boat is potential problems. And when I say potential, I mean a count down. LOL

Where do you run the 34?
 

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EVERY boat is potential problems. And when I say potential, I mean a count down. LOL

Where do you run the 34?

This is true. Even with bone stock and well maintained 496HOs with around 150 hours that rarely see over 4,000RPM and are driven very easily, I lost a head gasket on one of them a couple years ago in the 34. Namba860 fixed it and said it sometimes just happens. The hour meter is only a countdown to the next problem in pretty much all toys, including boats.

We run out of Cottonwood Cove on Mohave. Havasu is too crowded for our liking.
 

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Just take some boost out of it and you could do pump gas all day long. Rpm is what really hurts things. And rpm and boost is even worse.
 

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Plug the holes in the back of it and strap on some egg beaters and you will fit in with every Eliminator built after 2016. 🤣
 

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After much research, preparation, and working with Joe (seller), we put down a deposit on this one today.

Going to be a step up and a big change from our 34 Eliminator (probably for sale soon), but should be fun...
OH SHIT!! Congrats! Bad ass.
 

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OH SHIT!! Congrats! Bad ass.

Thanks. I took your advice on most of the items and so far it's all checking out. The boat is down at Archer in Costa Mesa now having a header leak fixed that put water into the oil on the left engine. Leak down and compression test to follow on both engines along with other service and impeller changes.

I spent some time with Dan this morning talking about what he's seen on the boat so far and he said I shouldn't have any worries. Prop shafts look fine, everything else except the header that needs to be fixed looks fine. He said those engines are solid. Treat them right and they'll last a very long time. Gave me a recommendation on the proper prop size, so I'll be looking to trade into those if you know of anybody that has some.

Going to burn more gas than the 34, but unless something goes wrong, it doesn't appear that it will be too much different maintenance wise.
 

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After much research, preparation, and working with Joe (seller), we put down a deposit on this one today.

Going to be a step up and a big change from our 34 Eliminator (probably for sale soon), but should be fun...
Pics and ballpark price of your 34 please. And Congrats!
 

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Pics and ballpark price of your 34 please. And Congrats!

Not trying to spam here, but you asked...

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2000 Eliminator 34' Eagle. Engines, drives, and rigging are 2005. Twin 496HOs with about 220 hours, Hardin Marine stainless impeller housings, Bravo 1 drives with showers, Imco hydraulic steering, Garmin GPS Map 215, Vessel View Mobile for both engines, stainless 26P props, snap on cockpit cover, full boat cover, aluminum Real Extreme trailer with spare.

Probably a 9 out of 10. I'm pretty meticulous with my stuff. Boat is wiped down every time it is out, oil change every year regardless of how much use, impellers changed every other year. "Nice boat" compliments are frequent.

Looking for about $75K.
 
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Thanks. I took your advice on most of the items and so far it's all checking out. The boat is down at Archer in Costa Mesa now having a header leak fixed that put water into the oil on the left engine. Leak down and compression test to follow on both engines along with other service and impeller changes.

I spent some time with Dan this morning talking about what he's seen on the boat so far and he said I shouldn't have any worries. Prop shafts look fine, everything else except the header that needs to be fixed looks fine. He said those engines are solid. Treat them right and they'll last a very long time. Gave me a recommendation on the proper prop size, so I'll be looking to trade into those if you know of anybody that has some.

Going to burn more gas than the 34, but unless something goes wrong, it doesn't appear that it will be too much different maintenance wise.

Awesome man! Glad things are looking to work out.

I actually might have some props for you. Let me know what size you want to get and I’ll see if it works out.
 

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Awesome man! Glad things are looking to work out.

I actually might have some props for you. Let me know what size you want to get and I’ll see if it works out.

Dan recommends 17.5 or 18 diameter, 36-38 pitch for that boat. I'm looking for cruise and top speed more than popping out of the hole. Right now it has something like 17 diameter 32s on it...set up for ski racing.

Joe is looking for a bigger set to give me with the boat, but not sure what he will come up with. If you have a line on a bigger set, I'd appreciate it!
 

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Wow, congratulations on a great boat. It's a beautiful beast with great engines & rigging.
 

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I figured Teague would be top dog.

Well I dont have any real experience with BoostPower (who definitely builds some wild setups), but Carson is really the cream of the crop, however you'd be lucky to see your engines two years after you order them. Carson is a perfectionist and goes only as fast as he wants to. Throwing money at him doesnt change this. So if you got the patience, he is your go to guy. He gets 2,500hp out of his wildly upgraded Gentry-based twin turbo engines running E85.

Teague is great for Engines but the Custom is mostly gone, he prefers to sell pre-built packages that he has extensively tested and validated (and for good reasons). They build great stuff. Not sure if Norm is still around but he built most of ours back in the day.

GT and Pfaff made their bones in ski racing. They were both the dominant engine packages among most of the high dollar boats and they always did really well. Rare was the issue that I recall.

Now that ski racing has gone to outboards to a big extent, I cant say how GT and Pfaff are these days. The ski racing market really dried up for custom engines. Teague is obviously still big in the offshore/poker run scene.
 

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@Wizard29 your current 34 is beautiful! What had you looking to bump up to a 38?

We weren't really even looking. I was starting to get the upgrade bug (typical guy...always looking for bigger, better, faster) and was having some thoughts about what else was out there. I saw this post and thought it was interesting, but didn't think too much else about it.

A few days later my wife saw it posted on the Eliminator boats Facebook thing, showed it to me, and said, "I like this one. That would be really cool to have." Yes, she's a keeper. I told her if she was serious we could look into it, so I started asking questions here and contacted Joe. A few weeks later, here we are.

The 34 has been a great boat and I'm actually a little reluctant to sell it. We were out this past weekend and wiping it down on Monday evening before putting it away was sad because I realized that could be the last time. I'd keep it, but don't have enough indoor room for both of them.

Upgrading to this new one could be a huge mistake as the 34 has been pretty trouble free and I could be buying into many more headaches, but sometimes you just have to go for it and see what happens...
 

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We weren't really even looking. I was starting to get the upgrade bug (typical guy...always looking for bigger, better, faster) and was having some thoughts about what else was out there. I saw this post and thought it was interesting, but didn't think too much else about it.

A few days later my wife saw it posted on the Eliminator boats Facebook thing, showed it to me, and said, "I like this one. That would be really cool to have." Yes, she's a keeper. I told her if she was serious we could look into it, so I started asking questions here and contacted Joe. A few weeks later, here we are.

The 34 has been a great boat and I'm actually a little reluctant to sell it. We were out this past weekend and wiping it down on Monday evening before putting it away was sad because I realized that could be the last time. I'd keep it, but don't have enough indoor room for both of them.

Upgrading to this new one could be a huge mistake as the 34 has been pretty trouble free and I could be buying into many more headaches, but sometimes you just have to go for it and see what happens...

you could always install 496's or something tamer
 

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you could always install 496's or something tamer

That's true and was an option that Joe (the seller) said he would offer. I did consider it, but 496s or even 525s wouldn't see much more speed, if any, than I have now in the 34 being that the 43 is that much bigger and heavier.

Everybody I've talked to, including people who were involved in the original build and others that have tons of industry experience have said that as long as I treat the 1200s right, they are a very reliable combination with the six drives. A couple of people have said that if I'm really that concerned about it, we could detune the 1200s, but that's about as far as they would go with it.

If I have constant problems, maybe I'll do the detune option. I'm not hard on boats though and I'm real easy on the throttles on the 34. This new one will be the same and it would be very rare that I use these engines to their full potential. I guess we'll see?
 

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Beautiful 34. Hope you guys enjoy the new float!!


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Sorry to side track here but how many 34 Eagles did Eliminator make? Don't see many of them out there.

Stan by to have your mind blown going from 496 and XR/Bravos to a #6 1200 HP ride! Night and day man. Plus, it's not exactly a lake boat. That's an ocean boat through and through. Hopefully you'll get it out for some catalina runs what not - let that thing stretch it's legs a bit ;)
 

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Sorry to side track here but how many 34 Eagles did Eliminator make? Don't see many of them out there.

Stan by to have your mind blown going from 496 and XR/Bravos to a #6 1200 HP ride! Night and day man. Plus, it's not exactly a lake boat. That's an ocean boat through and through. Hopefully you'll get it out for some catalina runs what not - let that thing stretch it's legs a bit ;)

I'm not sure how many were built. I don't think I've ever seen another one in person. Not saying they are rare, but certainly less around than other models. Maybe @shueman might know?

When we test drove the 43, it was night and day from any other boat I've been in. It just has that "feel" that there is tons of power available and the acceleration is smooth and strong. It's actually enough to set you back in your seat. Let off the throttles while at speed, and the slowdown is enough to make you need to brace yourself...two big props in the water no longer spinning very fast and acting more like a brake. Being that big, it was totally unaffected by wakes of other boats too.

Not sure I'll ever take it in the ocean, but the basin in Lake Mohave gets very ocean-like on a windy day. Plenty of room and good size swells to stretch the legs and see what it's got.
 

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Not sure I'll ever take it in the ocean, but the basin in Lake Mohave gets very ocean-like on a windy day. Plenty of room and good size swells to stretch the legs and see what it's got.

I can vouch for this. With the lake orientation in line with the prevailing wind direction, those swells can really be respectable. Fun in a big boat. I loved running my 25 Shockwave Tremor in the 2-4'ers at 50-55mpg. Big fun
 

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I'm not sure how many were built. I don't think I've ever seen another one in person. Not saying they are rare, but certainly less around than other models. Maybe @shueman might know?

When we test drove the 43, it was night and day from any other boat I've been in. It just has that "feel" that there is tons of power available and the acceleration is smooth and strong. It's actually enough to set you back in your seat. Let off the throttles while at speed, and the slowdown is enough to make you need to brace yourself...two big props in the water no longer spinning very fast and acting more like a brake. Being that big, it was totally unaffected by wakes of other boats too.

Not sure I'll ever take it in the ocean, but the basin in Lake Mohave gets very ocean-like on a windy day. Plenty of room and good size swells to stretch the legs and see what it's got.
Tanks in your ear now buddy..... we always want these big boys in the ocean where we believe they belong. I enjoyed following your thread and the way you pulled solid info on this boat into thought processing.... did research and pulled trigger. Sounds like you've been out on her at least once. If you're game to keep thread alive I'm sure we'd be interested in following and learn what your experience will be re: the increase in size/ hp after you've got her dialed in. 34'-43' seems like a proper progression.
 

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Tanks in your ear now buddy..... we always want these big boys in the ocean where we believe they belong. I enjoyed following your thread and the way you pulled solid info on this boat into thought processing.... did research and pulled trigger. Sounds like you've been out on her at least once. If you're game to keep thread alive I'm sure we'd be interested in following and learn what your experience will be re: the increase in size/ hp after you've got her dialed in. 34'-43' seems like a proper progression.

Ha, long way to the ocean from NV where this thing will live now. Maybe if there is a special event or something I could bring it back. Would have to be a pretty special event though.

I'm happy to keep the thread alive with updates. I'm not usually a LAM kind of person, but seems like a few people are interested in this one. The only dialing in I'll be doing now are the props to increase the cruise and top speeds. Everything else seems to have been dialed in already.
 

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That's true and was an option that Joe (the seller) said he would offer. I did consider it, but 496s or even 525s wouldn't see much more speed, if any, than I have now in the 34 being that the 43 is that much bigger and heavier.

Everybody I've talked to, including people who were involved in the original build and others that have tons of industry experience have said that as long as I treat the 1200s right, they are a very reliable combination with the six drives. A couple of people have said that if I'm really that concerned about it, we could detune the 1200s, but that's about as far as they would go with it.

If I have constant problems, maybe I'll do the detune option. I'm not hard on boats though and I'm real easy on the throttles on the 34. This new one will be the same and it would be very rare that I use these engines to their full potential. I guess we'll see?
I hate to even be that guy....I had a 36 Spectre that had NA 650's and ran great. It hopped a little in the mid range, but nothing I couldn't deal with. Cup holders, built in cooler, etc. As usualI I got the itch and next thing you know I was buying the, "cleanest" 40 Skater on the market. Had Sterling motors (1150/1350) and 6's. Of course they were, "set on low boost to last forever if you run good gas".

What would scare me the most is that it has sat for a long period a time, and no matter what they tell you, do not have them work on your 6 drives because they can't. My Skater ruined boating for me, and it sounds like your 34 is much like my 36 was, a great boat that your family enjoys.

Do you know what trannys are in the boat? Bam1500? When did they get serviced last? The 6's? That was a saltwater boat, so I would bet the propshafts are eaten up. The lack of running is a concern.

Be careful. If you want to DM me with any questions no problem.
 
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I hate to even be that guy....I had a 36 Spectre that had NA 650's and ran great. It hopped a little in the mid range, but nothing I couldn't deal with. Cup holders, built in cooler, etc. As usualI I got the itch and next thing you know I was buying the, "cleanest" 40 Skater on the market. Had Sterling motors (1150/1350) and 6's. Of course they were, "set on low boost to last forever if you run good gas".

What would scare me the most is that it has sat for a long period a time, and no matter what they tell you, do not have them work on your 6 drives because they can't. My Skater ruined boating for me, and it sounds like your 34 is much like my 36 was, a great boat that your family enjoys.

Do you know what trannys are in the boat? Bam1500? When did they get serviced last? The 6's? That was a saltwater boat, so I would bet the propshafts are eaten up. The lack of running is a concern.

Be careful. If you want to DM me with any questions no problem.

Who is "they" when you are talking about working on the drives?

The boat has 90 original hours on it and according to @lavey jr above, the service records seem spot on. I believe the transmissions are Bam 1500 units.

At Tank's guidance I had a look at the prop shafts yesterday with Dan at Archer and he said they look great. Every time I've seen the boat with the exception of when we did the test drive, the props have been off of it, so they haven't been left to sit with salt on the shafts. The boat is having a full service done by Dan this week and into next week.

What happened with your Skater? My driving style isn't to race everything that floats or to do 100+ for long periods of time. Our typical day on the water is to launch, go up river and float for a while, then go to the beach for the rest of the day with maybe a short run into the basin and back before we head in. On occasion we may go up to the dam or down to Katherine's. I think I put about 100 hours on the 34 in the six years I've owned it. This boat will see short "let's go fast" runs here and there, but otherwise just cruising.

So far everybody I've talked to says things should last quite some time under those conditions?
 

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Sorry to side track here but how many 34 Eagles did Eliminator make? Don't see many of them out there.

Stan by to have your mind blown going from 496 and XR/Bravos to a #6 1200 HP ride! Night and day man. Plus, it's not exactly a lake boat. That's an ocean boat through and through. Hopefully you'll get it out for some catalina runs what not - let that thing stretch it's legs a bit ;)
Shueman or of course Bob would be the best source for the the amount of 34's. I do remember an all grey one with the oval type windows in the front all along the rub rail and Bob said it was going to South Africa if I remember right, he also indicated it wasn't the first one.
 

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Beautiful boat. Life is short, enjoy your new purchase
 

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Ha, long way to the ocean from NV where this thing will live now. Maybe if there is a special event or something I could bring it back. Would have to be a pretty special event though.

I'm happy to keep the thread alive with updates. I'm not usually a LAM kind of person, but seems like a few people are interested in this one. The only dialing in I'll be doing now are the props to increase the cruise and top speeds. Everything else seems to have been dialed in already.
Do what you do brutha..... sweet ride, congrats and enjoy! I always wanna hear from guys that move up in size.... that'll be my approach next time I get the itch.
 

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The insight is great! I really enjoy being able to freely access everybody’s knowledge and experience.

Cab you post more pics of the interior and cuddy?
 

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You do know that there will be a bunch of us on Mohave for the Damn Dam run on Aug 14th? Not sure if I saw you post on the thread? But if your in town, we’d all like to see that boat in the water🤙🏻

I am well aware and if all goes well, we should be out that weekend. Not sure we'll do the run all the way up since we've been to the dam more times than I can remember, but maybe we'll come out and cruise with the group for a while if we can pull our asses out of bed in time. Otherwise we'll be at our beach on the AZ side kind of straight across from Cottonwood and just a little north. Anybody is welcome to come hang out!
 
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