Disgusting

[2Driver]

Lowering the standards means we are lowering the standards........Self-explanatory.

Not sure it makes a difference; name a war since WW2 we've won.

 

[hallett21]

Lowering the standards means we are lowering the standards........Self-explanatory.

Not sure it makes a difference; name a war since WW2 we've won.

What were the standards of ww1 or 2? I believe is was just being an able bodied American? Was there an intelligence test?

 

[81Sprint]

Cannot judge someone's character, drive or mental aptitude by a piece of paper. Every one has a different situation, and grew up in different ways. I dropped out of high school, after being a military brat up until I was a senior in high school, one credit shy of graduating. But, I gave my LT Col fighter pilot asshole stepdad the finger and moved the fuck out and to this day 30 years later do not speak to him. He told me I would end up living in the gutter because I didn't finish school. Joined the Union thanks to my Dad, went to work and have always had the drive to be successful. And for the most have been. I ended up finishing and getting that piece of paper (and more) years later, but not because I had to. My Grandfather didn't make it to thru the 3rd grade, served in the Korean war, and after started a oil gasket company that is now global. All depends on the person, and the drive they have to succeed in life. Not everyone is cut out for school, doesn't mean they aren't intelligent.

 

[Racey]

I won’t flame away C. The Navy is hurting for people, as is all the branches and now they are lowering their educational standards for a branch that requires them.

The big picture is why are their numbers down?

With the current state of the school system over the last 20 years you might actually be smarter without a high school diploma

 

[shintoooo]

 

[Joker]

Our neighbor is a dropout and makes a decent living. His wife is a teacher and she's the retard. I can see her entire group of students joining the Navy.

 

[530RL]

Two pages and no NAVY jokes yet.

We are getting old…..

 

[Looking Glass]

HEY TABOMA!!, Over here. This Thread has your name "ALL OVER IT"

 

[Tank]

My wealthiest client dropped out of high school. His real estate just got appraised at $500 million.

Nearly all Of the multi millionaire, self made people i know dropped out of high school.

 

[Backlash]

I've known some brilliant people who were successful in life who never attended college. I've known people who attended the best colleges in this country who were dumb as rocks. That being said, I think a high school diploma should be mandatory. At this day and age, Id find it hard to achieve that certificate.

Hell, even I have one.

 

[was thatguy]

What were the standards of ww1 or 2? I believe is was just being an able bodied American? Was there an intelligence test?

 

[wzuber]

Hell....our "president" is a college grad w/law degree......
Look at what a stooooopid fukin piece of shit he is....(his kid toooo)

 

[Xring01]

I feel like a diploma means shit nowadays.

I know so many DUMB FUCKS with College Degrees, its mind numbing.

I agree with the guys here, I dont mind. I feel like Basic Training will either make em or break em. You will know in that time who has what it takes.

I have met millennials with Electrical Engineering degrees. That I have no freaking clue how they could have passed their class’s.
Asking the some of the stupidest questions one could imagine for a EE. I used to feel sorry for them, when I first started encountering them.

Now, due to the volume of them, its pissing me off.

I am not a EE, I am the guy alot of them come to when they have problems they cant solve. But my training from the Navy and being a Submariner is light years ahead most current EE Degrees programs in my opinion. There are very few that I know that would have made it on a Fast Attack sub, in my day. I am sure its not as hard today as it was when I went thru, but I am confident the program is still set to seperate the people that you cant trust with your life, and those you can. Bottom line, thats what the program does best.

But the Navy needs alot of people to chip paint, cook and a few other rates. I agree a GED is not required for those rates. However, if I was running the program. Those non GED would be limited to max of E-3, in order to make E-4, then a GED is required. Yes the Navy has education programs that could facilitate that.

When I joined the ASVAB test was a metric used to determine what Rates you qualified for. For example, if you wanted to be a Nuke ET, then you probably need to score a 94 or better. But if you score below 30, there are still a few rates you could apply for. Basically the higher the score, the more doors opened. Another fun fact, the recruiters got bonus points for getting applicant's for the most difficult rates. Yes the Nuke rates are the hardest to fill.

 

[regor]

You don’t need a high school diploma or a GED to be successful, that’s not what I’m pointing out.

I pointing out they can’t recruit and now in a branch that relies more on brains, they’re lowering their standards, which are basic to begin with. It doesn’t bode well for our national security when something like this occurs.

The reason they’re having to do this is because the people that used to join are saying F you to this current administration/government and military culture. It’s that simple and whether you have the balls to admit the current state of our armed forces or not, it’s a problem.

Of course there are many people who are successful out there without diplomas or GED’s, but the lowering of standards in order to gain entry into the services that are suppose to protect this nation, is not ideal or excusable.

 

[regor]

I have met millennials with Electrical Engineering degrees. That I have no freaking clue how they could have passed their class’s.
Asking the some of the stupidest questions one could imagine for a EE. I used to feel sorry for them, when I first started encountering them.

Now, due to the volume of them, its pissing me off.

I am not a EE, I am the guy alot of them come to when they have problems they cant solve. But my training from the Navy and being a Submariner is light years ahead most current EE Degrees programs in my opinion. There are very few that I know that would have made it on a Fast Attack sub, in my day. I am sure its not as hard today as it was when I went thru, but I am confident the program is still set to seperate the people that you cant trust with your life, and those you can. Bottom line, thats what the program does best.

But the Navy needs alot of people to chip paint, cook and a few other rates. I agree a GED is not required for those rates. However, if I was running the program. Those non GED would be limited to max of E-3, in order to make E-4, then a GED is required. Yes the Navy has education programs that could facilitate that.

When I joined the ASVAB test was a metric used to determine what Rates you qualified for. For example, if you wanted to be a Nuke ET, then you probably need to score a 94 or better. But if you score below 30, there are still a few rates you could apply for. Basically the higher the score, the more doors opened. Another fun fact, the recruiters got bonus points for getting applicant's for the most difficult rates. Yes the Nuke rates are the hardest to fill.

Agree, but what happens when you don’t have enough 94’s?

 

[EarpRider]

Seems like these drop outs turned out ok.

 

[MPHSystems]

How could this have happened?





Oh, Right…

 

[530RL]

Understanding the steady and troubling decline in the average intelligence of Marine Corps officers | Brookings

After analyzing test scores of 46,000 officers who took the Marine Corps’ required General Classification Test (GCT), Michael Klein and Matthew Cancian find that the quality of officers in the Marines, as measured by those test scores, has steadily and significantly declined since 1980.

www.brookings.edu

 

[regor]

Let me post it again for all you bleeding hearts out there.

The decision follows a move in December 2022 to bring in a larger number of recruits who score very low on the Armed Services Qualification Test.


Tell me how that’s a good thing.

 

[MPHSystems]

Seems like these drop outs turned out ok.
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Adolf's attempt to run away at 11 was unsuccessful. At the age of 14 he was freed when his hated father died - an event that he did not mourn. Hitler dropped out of high school at age 16 and went to Vienna, where he strove to become an artist, but was refused twice by the Vienna Art Academy.

 

[EarpRider]

You forgot some.



Adolf's attempt to run away at 11 was unsuccessful. At the age of 14 he was freed when his hated father died - an event that he did not mourn. Hitler dropped out of high school at age 16 and went to Vienna, where he strove to become an artist, but was refused twice by the Vienna Art Academy.

Yup.
We could do this all day.
Some drop outs turn out to be smart, and some people with degrees turn out to be horrible humans.

 

[wzuber]

At the gun show today I just signed a L.A County petition demanding the put.....
personal finance......BACK in the high school curiculum. Now, corŕect me if I'm wrong here.....but, isn't the job of the school system (k thru university) to PREPAIR students for their future?
What would be the OVERWHELMING benefit to REMOVING that from their education and preparation for their future? Who in the actual fukkkkk does that? How would they benefit from that?

 

[HBCraig]

At the gun show today I just signed a L.A County petition demanding the put.....
personal finance......BACK in the high school curiculum. Now, corŕect me if I'm wrong here.....but, isn't the job of the school system (k thru university) to PREPAIR students for their future?
What would be the OVERWHELMING benefit to REMOVING that from their education and preparation for their future? Who in the actual fukkkkk does that? How would they benefit from that?

Funny you mention that. A few times a year with the softball and baseball teams I coach I hold "life skills"
On random Saturdays I teach them
-make a resume and hand them in
- how to interview for a job
- how to change a tire

I also tell them simple things to be a good person. Have a firm handshake and look a person in the eye. Open doors. Wait to eat your food until everyone has theirs

 

[hallett21]

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[Xring01]

Agree, but what happens when you don’t have enough 94’s?

But I was saying the same thing in 1996, when I got out. Because the standards where falling then due to Clintons policy’s.
What most here have no idea of. Was the Navy prior to Clinton had over 650,000 people, during the Clinton years, they brought it down to around 450,000 if my memory is correct.

Due to the way that went down, created a nightmare for the people with less than 6 years in. ( because the Navy was drawing down, it was practically impossible to get promoted to higher ranks). Which is why pretty much all of the best guys that could do well in the civilian world. All left the Navy, even when they where waving $40,000 re enlistment bonus under our noses. You have to realize, I was probably making around $25k/year as an E-5 back then. $40k was alot to turn down. But pretty much everyone that I knew who could do well in the outside world… Left the Navy, and never looked back.

So the people who stayed where the people where the people who would have a difficult time in the outside world…

This is not the first time the Navy or any military branch has had to start over with new talent. They will do the best that they can with what they have to work with. Knowing how to push hard enough to weed out the weaker ones and hopefully the better ones rise to the top.

 

[Canuck 1]

There’s not that many toilets Tank. How about in your division, you want people that can’t even finish high school working along side you and having your back?

Since when did education ever make anyone smart? Grade 12 will make someone cover your back? You are delusional

 

[Taboma]

At the gun show today I just signed a L.A County petition demanding the put.....
personal finance......BACK in the high school curiculum. Now, corŕect me if I'm wrong here.....but, isn't the job of the school system (k thru university) to PREPAIR students for their future?
What would be the OVERWHELMING benefit to REMOVING that from their education and preparation for their future? Who in the actual fukkkkk does that? How would they benefit from that?

Was there a time when Personal Finance was part of high school curriculum ? Certainly wasn't in the 60's, but then like many things, that was assumed to be home schooled by our parental units.

 

[Looking Glass]

Since when did education ever make anyone smart? Grade 12 will make someone cover your back? You are delusional

 

[Roosky01]

Nearly all Of the multi millionaire, self made people i know dropped out of high school.

And those are not the ones joining the armed forces...

 

[MPHSystems]

Since when did education ever make anyone smart? Grade 12 will make someone cover your back? You are delusional

The purpose of public education is to launder tax revenue through the teachers union into Democrat election campaigns. The students are nothing more than set props.

 

[Romans9]

Burn time, flame away…….


In todays society I would be for requiring every male citizen at age 18 to serve a mandatory 2 years.

Part of the mess we are in is the fantasy world many children are raised in.

Having to learn structure and order would help reform this culture.

Extreme yes but this country is dying when a social argument concerning what constitutes male and female is an issue if simple observation of ones anatomy doesn’t; put the issue to rest.

Let an ASVAB test determine what the MOS or equivalent one is qualified for.

BTW a diploma hasn’t been a hard requirement for some time. At least for 15 years that I am aware of.

 

[Mr. C]

At the gun show today I just signed a L.A County petition demanding the put.....
personal finance......BACK in the high school curiculum. Now, corŕect me if I'm wrong here.....but, isn't the job of the school system (k thru university) to PREPAIR students for their future?
What would be the OVERWHELMING benefit to REMOVING that from their education and preparation for their future? Who in the actual fukkkkk does that? How would they benefit from that?

What do you mean. Like how to balance a checkbook. Fill out a job application
Learn that if you have 40 dollars coming in you can’t spend 80.
We have no accountability or common sense in so much these days.
My personal feeling is I’m glad I’ll be dead before my grandchildren have to live in this country. Because it will not be the country I grew up in.
So so sad. Because we were and had the best of the best

 

[hallett21]

Burn time, flame away…….


In todays society I would be for requiring every male citizen at age 18 to serve a mandatory 2 years.

Part of the mess we are in is the fantasy world many children are raised in.

Having to learn structure and order would help reform this culture.

Extreme yes but this country is dying when a social argument concerning what constitutes male and female is an issue if simple observation of ones anatomy doesn’t; put the issue to rest.

Let an ASVAB test determine what the MOS or equivalent one is qualified for.

BTW a diploma hasn’t been a hard requirement for some time. At least for 15 years that I am aware of.

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It’s been my experience that those who call for mandatory service never served.

 

[530RL]

Was there a time when Personal Finance was part of high school curriculum ? Certainly wasn't in the 60's, but then like many things, that was assumed to be home schooled by our parental units.

We called it math and how to apply math to basic life functions.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I think the bigger threat here is that standards are falling everywhere.

Not just the military, but LEOs as well as a lot of other places.

They used to have a high school exit exam in CA until they couldn’t get most kids to pass, so rather than fix the problem they dropped the exam.

Colleges get these high school grads and spend the first two years bringing them up to where they should have been leaving high school. Then they play catch-up to get them to a graduation point in the next two.

Rinse repeat with higher Ed.

LEOs used to have pretty stringent physical requirements. Now they hire recruits who couldn’t go over a fence even if they used a trampoline, and look like they eat a box of donuts a day.

Why? Because being smart or capable is now a shrinking skill. When kids want jobs as social media influencers and other things that don’t actually benefit society, society circles the drain.

 

[Ultra...Good]

 

[regor]

Since when did education ever make anyone smart? Grade 12 will make someone cover your back? You are delusional

Not it all cases, I grant you that, but finishing high IMO should be required for military or LEO service. You want it, finish it kid. You don’t, that’s your choice.

Maybe you can answer the question. How is lowering standards a good thing and/or acceptable?

Thread title "Disgusting"? That's a bit extreme. There's nothing disgusting about Men or Women serving our country whether or not they have a diploma. Shame on you Regor.

It’s not directed at them Go Fast. I respect any young man or woman who decides to serve, whether they have a diploma, GED or degree.

 

[AEA]

You don’t need a high school diploma or a GED to be successful, that’s not what I’m pointing out.

I pointing out they can’t recruit and now in a branch that relies more on brains, they’re lowering their standards, which are basic to begin with. It doesn’t bode well for our national security when something like this occurs.

The reason they’re having to do this is because the people that used to join are saying F you to this current administration/government and military culture. It’s that simple and whether you have the balls to admit the current state of our armed forces or not, it’s a problem.

Of course there are many people who are successful out there without diplomas or GED’s, but the lowering of standards in order to gain entry into the services that are suppose to protect this nation, is not ideal or excusable.

What do you suggest as a solution?

 

[regor]

What do you suggest as a solution?

Canning the faggot ass brass at the Pentagon and taking all the woke BULLSHIT out of the military in order to get the kids that actually have the brains back in.

 

[Desert Whaler]

The big picture is why are their numbers down?

From what I see . . . there's been a growing number of kids who lack some basic qualities & experiences earlier generations had.

- Communication / social skills.
- Work ethic . . . (I'm not talking plucking on a keyboard in a cave 8 hours a day) , actual work requiring some sort of physical get-up-and-go.
- Mechanical inclination . . . or some form of interest in it.
- Willingness to simply get out of their 'comfort zone' to get out and 'experience' something new.
- Participation / commitment to some sort of physical activity, be it traditional ball sports, or action sports, or whatever . . . something where you get banged up a little, or maybe more.

All that being said . . . I could see how a growing number of kids these days are prob. saying, "F-that, I don't wanna get yelled at and be told to do pushups, I'm gonna grow weed and make bank on crypto". (or some similar weak statement)

I know the lions share of RDP parents wouldn't stand any of that shit for a minute . . . but looking around these days, I sure see a lot of it.
That's why whenever I see a younger serviceman or woman, I always try to at least smile.

 

[Long Way Home]

Not happy, you can always go back to the draft….

 

[regor]

Says the enlisted guy to the Officer.

One of the reasons I got out of the service was because of insecure officers who felt I had to salute them because they had a degree. Gay as fuck.

You want to lead, then lead, I’ll salute you based on your leadership.

It definitely wasn’t for me, FTN.

 

[regor]

Not happy, you can always go back to the draft….

Yea I don’t think that would work out real well right about now, nor does it deal with the problem of a bunch of imbeciles at the top running our military forces.

 

[regor]

No offense but does this not contradict your original post about people joining the service without a diploma?

Not at all.

You seem to be missing my point. Why is the Navy lowering their standards?

 

[Roosky01]

Not at all.

You seem to be missing my point. Why is the Navy lowering their standards?

I would think there would be a LGTBQOMG line out the door to enlist in the Navy!

Says me... the Army guy...

 

[wash11]

My experience with the younger generation in recent years no longer has me using high school diplomas or college degrees as a metric for success of any kind.

I've also come across a handful of kids without diplomas for various reasons, none of them looking like an excuse, that have above par work ethics and critical thinking skills. I'd be happy to see these kids get a real shot at proving themselves after a rough and tumble upbringing.

The way I'm seeing today's kids, I'm not convinced that this is a terrible move on the Navys part.

 

[regor]

They have to. Have you seen Gen z's lately?

My experience with the younger generation in recent years no longer has me using high school diplomas or college degrees as a metric for success of any kind.

I've also come across a handful of kids without diplomas for various reasons, none of them looking like an excuse, that have above par work ethics and critical thinking skills. I'd be happy to see these kids get a real shot at proving themselves after a rough and tumble upbringing.

The way I'm seeing today's kids, I'm not convinced that this is a terrible move on the Navys part.

I don’t think there is any question about today’s youth and the lack of critical thinking skills and/or work ethic, it’s not good. That can also be said about every generation these days.

Here it is again…….

The decision follows a move in December 2022 to bring in a larger number of recruits who score very low on the Armed Services Qualification Test.


Tell me how that’s fine and not a desperate move on the Navy’s part?

 

[wash11]

I don’t think there is any question about today’s youth and the lack of critical thinking skills and/or work ethic, it’s not good. That can also be said about every generation these days.

Here it is again…….

The decision follows a move in December 2022 to bring in a larger number of recruits who score very low on the Armed Services Qualification Test.


Tell me how that’s fine and not a desperate move on the Navy’s part?

I honestly don't know if it's fine or not. It appears that what they had been doing no longer works though, not sure if it's a move or a desperate move. The world is changing faster than any of us would like for sure. I'm just having troubles finding anything "disgusting" about a service branch trying to adapt to current realities and am certainly open to giving a shot to young people willing to volunteer service.

Help me understand the strong feelings. Is it high school dropouts you find disgusting?

 

[17 10 Flat]

Not necessarily a good thing to lower standards but,
Lowering standards to increase enlistment would free up the other recruits for more advanced classes. Once you display an aptitude one can request advanced training.
Went through basic in 1969 the slow learners after basic training ended up on trucks headed to Tigerland. Next stop Southeast Asia.
Had several recruits that could barely read and write. One had never worn shoes in his life. Had to teach this recruit how to lace and tie his boots.

 

[Taboma]

I don’t think there is any question about today’s youth and the lack of critical thinking skills and/or work ethic, it’s not good. That can also be said about every generation these days.

Here it is again…….

The decision follows a move in December 2022 to bring in a larger number of recruits who score very low on the Armed Services Qualification Test.


Tell me how that’s fine and not a desperate move on the Navy’s part?

Still up to your old P&G 'Serves my point better omitting context' tricks I see You seem to be accidently omitting the WHY.

It would seem that those Not afflicted by LGBTQ and otherwise meeting your aptitude qualifications aren't motived to seek employment opportunities offered by the US Navy. Granted with today's youth this could be for a number of reasons.
During my Nam draft years Army service, I met some seriously afflicted dumb-asses who could barely read, but when handed a rifle could shoot an acorn out of a squirrels mouth at 700 yds, so served their country's needs without question and were honored to do so.

I'm sure some smart grad would be pleased not to be stuck chipping paint, mopping decks and peeling tators in lieu of other ship board duties as some non-grad uses those arduous tasks to ascend the ladder of opportunity the Navy might be providing them.

As others have shared, I to am one who believes all this nations young should serve a term of military service, benefiting both the country and themselves.