Disgusting

[Taboma]

Not necessarily a good thing to lower standards but,
Lowering standards to increase enlistment would free up the other recruits for more advanced classes. Once you display an aptitude one can request advanced training.
Went through basic in 1969 the slow learners after basic training ended up on trucks headed to Tigerland. Next stop Southeast Asia.
Had several recruits that could barely read and write. One had never worn shoes in his life. Had to teach this recruit how to lace and tie his boots.

Having shared the same experience as yourself, I agree, there's a place for everybody in that world. With the right attitude, could benefit greatly from the experience and potential opportunities for continuing education.

 

[Outdrive1]

The minimum ASVAB score to join with a diploma is 31. The minimum without a diploma is 50. Pretty much the opposite of what you’ve been ranting about in this thread. Sounds like they’ve come up with a good way to get some guys who can swab the deck and learn how to work off the street. Disgusting? I don’t think so.

When I went through basic, there were some slow adults there. If they had a high school diploma it was because their parents dropped them off everyday and the school was tired of baby sitting them. If they could pull the pin on a hand grenade, count to 3 before they threw it without dropping it, they were gonna make a fine soldier.

 

[regor]

I honestly don't know if it's fine or not. It appears that what they had been doing no longer works though, not sure if it's a move or a desperate move. The world is changing faster than any of us would like for sure. I'm just having troubles finding anything "disgusting" about a service branch trying to adapt to current realities and am certainly open to giving a shot to young people willing to volunteer service.

Help me understand the strong feelings. Is it high school dropouts you find disgusting?

As I stated in the thread, it has ZERO to do with disdain for high school dropouts and EVERYTHING to do with a disgusting group of leadership, who continually are having to lower their standards in order to fill their ranks.

It’s a systematic problem in this country and the “well that’s just the way it is” attitude of the response here and across the nation, is just an acceptance in our dissent into mediocrity.

Sad, sad times and populace. The founding fathers would be proud.

 

[regor]

The minimum ASVAB score to join with a diploma is 31. The minimum without a diploma is 50. Pretty much the opposite of what you’ve been ranting about in this thread. Sounds like they’ve come up with a good way to get some guys who can swab the deck and learn how to work off the street. Disgusting? I don’t think so. View attachment 1327713 View attachment 1327714

When I went through basic, there were some slow adults there. If they had a high school diploma it was because their parents dropped them off everyday and the school was tired of baby sitting them. If they could pull the pin on a hand grenade, count to 3 before they threw it without dropping it, they were gonna make a fine soldier.

I KNEW your lil RDS ass would be along soon.

You are also missing the point. Why is the Navy lower their standards and tell me how it’s good for the branch?

 

[17 10 Flat]

As I stated in the thread, it has ZERO to do with disdain for high school dropouts and EVERYTHING to do with a disgusting group of leadership, who continually are having to lower their standards in order to fill their ranks.

It’s a systematic problem in this country and the “well that’s just the way it is” attitude of the response here and across the nation, is just an acceptance in our dissent into mediocrity.

Sad, sad times and populace. The founding fathers would be proud.

My thinking it has to do with who is in charge of our country and military. Neighbors son was in ROTC all through high school. Really wanted to be a Marine. When slo joe was installed he was smart enough to realize he and his posse were war mongers. Changed his mind on military service. Why go in the military feeling you will be cannon fodder?

 

[regor]

Still up to your old P&G 'Serves my point better omitting context' tricks I see You seem to be accidently omitting the WHY.

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It would seem that those Not afflicted by LGBTQ and otherwise meeting your aptitude qualifications aren't motived to seek employment opportunities offered by the US Navy. Granted with today's youth this could be for a number of reasons.
During my Nam draft years Army service, I met some seriously afflicted dumb-asses who could barely read, but when handed a rifle could shoot an acorn out of a squirrels mouth at 700 yds, so served their country's needs without question and were honored to do so.

I'm sure some smart grad would be pleased not to be stuck chipping paint, mopping decks and peeling tators in lieu of other ship board duties as some non-grad uses those arduous tasks to ascend the ladder of opportunity the Navy might be providing them.

As others have shared, I to am one who believes all this nations young should serve a term of military service, benefiting both the country and themselves.

I didn’t omit anything, and I didn’t forget anything and I know exactly why they’re doing what they’re doing.

Same question to you, tell me how it’s good that the Navy is lowering their standards in order to recruit kids into the service.

 

[17 10 Flat]

I KNEW your lil RDS ass would be along soon.

You are also missing the point. Why is the Navy lower their standards and tell me how it’s good for the branch?

Reg lower standards are not really good but there are critical mos jobs and yet you need truck driver, barbers, cooks, clerks etc. Do you pick a recruit that tests in the upper 10% for a clerk typist of someone struggling and this is a start for them. But I get where you are coming from. Maybe someone who can't read should not be repairing avionics on a 80 million dollar jet, but would be a great truck driver.

Our military is in a bind. Most know the leadership is a bunch of ass clowns. So let's appeal to folks that hope for a better life but do not have credentials just yet. For the record I prefer motivated individuals, and lowering standards is not the best way.

 

[Outdrive1]

I KNEW your lil RDS ass would be along soon.

You are also missing the point. Why is the Navy lower their standards and tell me how it’s good for the branch?

If look at it objectively, raising the test scores for non graduates might get them a potentially better quality candidate, that for a million different reasons may not have graduated high school.

I don’t think it’s all negative. I’d rather see “smarter” people get in, verses someone who happens to have a diploma.

Have a couple beers and enjoy your Sunday Regor.

 

[regor]

Reg lower standards are not really good but there are critical mos jobs and yet you need truck driver, barbers, cooks, clerks etc. Do you pick a recruit that tests in the upper 10% for a clerk typist of someone struggling and this is a start for them. But I get where you are coming from. Maybe someone who can't read should not be repairing avionics on a 80 million dollar jet, but would be a great truck driver.

Our military is in a bind. Most know the leadership is a bunch of ass clowns. So let's appeal to folks that hope for a better life but do not have credentials just yet. For the record I prefer motivated individuals, and lowering standards is not the best way.

Concur, but the bigger picture is why are we having to do it?

You answered that question and for me, THAT is the disgusting part.

 

[was thatguy]

Reg, it’s the lounge.
You gotta throw in a tatted up stripper and a bale of weed to get any traction here.

 

[regor]

If look at it objectively, raising the test scores for non graduates might get them a potentially better quality candidate, that for a million different reasons may not have graduated high school.

I don’t think it’s all negative. I’d rather see “smarter” people get in, verses someone who happens to have a diploma.

Have a couple beers and enjoy your Sunday Regor.

100% get that and it's not necessarily a bad thing, I agree. I don't even look at that when I hire (depending on the position) AND have hired people without it for specific roles.

Again, WHY are they having to lower their standards?

You know that answer and it's disgusting.

 

[17 10 Flat]

Concur, but the bigger picture is why are we having to do it?

You answered that question and for me, THAT is the disgusting part.

We are partly in this bind because society today makes military life seem like its for ass holes. Better to be a U tube hero than serve your country. Schools are beating the man out of men.

 

[Xring01]

There are few things that I think some of you are missing.

Think about all the recruits that have gone thru the military over the last 30-40 years. Lots of those kids (me included) didnt have best upbringing, or a family that gave them the best advice, some from very abusive backgrounds.

Lots of those recruits knew they wanted out of the environment they where in, that the military would teach them something. That would add value to their future job prospects.

So at the heart of all branchs of the military is one of the best educational systems in the U.S. They must teach dumb shits the basics of getting up on time, showing up on time, making a bed, ironing their cloths, physical educations….

BUT….. for the smarter kids… it rams 4 years of Electronics Repair, Electrician, Weapons, Sonar, Aviation high high high level education thru those kids in 6-18mths/ pending the rate… Literally you getting 4 years of education/rammed down your throat in less than 18 months for the most part.

Navy / Marines / Army / Air Force / Coast Guard…. They know how to teach kids what they need out of them. Thats second nature… The key thing about getting promoted in the military, is can you lead them, and create future leaders. Those that can teach the dumb ass’s how to move up the food chain rise to the top. Dont ask me how I know.

I made E5 in the Navy in 18 months, I was 19 years old… When I got out almost 8 year point. I was still an E5, because Clinton policy’s did not allow anyone to be promoted in my Rate, because of the early retirements. But when I got out I was filling a O4 Billet with way to many idiots reporting to me. Talk about stress… I honestly had PTSD over that shit, but PTSD didnt have a name back then.

Bottom line for me… Why in the fuck would I re enlist at E5 pay, when they make me work as a O4 with no extra pay… WHY… Then you want to put my ass back on a submarine for 4 more years of poking holes in the ocean. Lucky to see day light 6-7 days a month and hopefully get 2 day weekend off 1 every 4 months… Fuck that.. Just wasn’t worth the money, damn sure wasnt worth the sacrifice.

BTW… I scored a 99 on the ASVAB. Never studied once in HS, never took homework home. Did it between class’s. But I was surrounded by idiots. Texas schools back then would review the test with the class right before they gave you the test.. hmmm no wonder I did so well. But for reason… everything they taught me stuck, because I scored a 99 on the ASVAB.

Bottom line - The US Military is probably the best educational program in the world. IMHO, I dont give a shit if they allow 10-20% of the recruits to enter that do not have a HS diploma. As I stated earlier, if those recruits want to re enlist after their intial contract, then a GED should be required. Thats stupid easy for the military to facilitate a program for it. It creates a win/win in my opinion. Fills the need for the Military, and gives lots of young in’s a life changing opportunity that will change their lives for the better, whether they stay 4 years, 8 years or a career. They will be better off due to the education the military gave them, and the service /sacrafices they gave us.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

Does this clear the way for them.to bring in the illegals?

I believe this is the agenda. Fill the military with foreigners with no allegiance to the American people or the constitution to fight against us.

 

[Xring01]

I believe this is the agenda. Fill the military with foreigners with no allegiance to the American people or the constitution to fight against us.

Be careful with that one….
Navy has a history of this since WW2, There alot of Philipino’s who are in the Navy, guess how they got their citizenship… By serving.

IMHO it was extremely successful.

I not saying I would like that program extended to people from extreme muslim countries. But wanted to bring it to your attention, these programs have been around for a very long time.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

Be careful with that one….
Navy has a history of this since WW2, There alot of Philipino’s who are in the Navy, guess how they got their citizenship… By serving.

IMHO it was extremely successful.

I not saying I would like that program extended to people from extreme muslim countries. But wanted to bring it to your attention, these programs have been around for a very long time.

As a veteran, I'm well aware of that. Big difference between immigrants of the past and the millions of illegals coming in now though. Immigrants used to want to be US citizens and were very proud when they became one. Illegals, not so much.

 

[Orange Juice]

Lowering the standards means we are lowering the standards........Self-explanatory.

Not sure it makes a difference; name a war since WW2 we've won.

Grenada 1983

 

[2Driver]

Grenada 1983

LOl Not really bragging rights there. Kind of proves my point.

 

[Orange Juice]

LOl Not really bragging rights there. Kind of proves my point.

If you were there, serving in the military it was.
Storm’in Norman took Iraq in short order.

I can only assume you have no military experience.

 

[Taboma]

I didn’t omit anything, and I didn’t forget anything and I know exactly why they’re doing what they’re doing.

Same question to you, tell me how it’s good that the Navy is lowering their standards in order to recruit kids into the service.

Your question has been answered by not only myself, but several other members.
I know, it's frustrating when we're not taking your word bait and responding with answers other than what you were striving for.

It's Good if the Navy requires able bodies and is otherwise not able to fulfill that obligation from the available age-group labor pool.

It's only your opinion that the Navy is lowering it's standards, because it's not, if it's requiring a higher skills and aptitude testing qualification from those not holding a often meaningless piece of paper.
I use the term 'Meaningless' as that's the normal ranking of the relative value of public education by your RDP peers and possibly yourself.
I'm surprised when now that normally ridiculed educational training has become worthy of recognition.

 

[Taboma]

100% get that and it's not necessarily a bad thing, I agree. I don't even look at that when I hire (depending on the position) AND have hired people without it for specific roles.

Again, WHY are they having to lower their standards?

You know that answer and it's disgusting.

What quite possibly be more degusting than what the Navy's doing is due consideration of why it's become necessary.
In other words, you're asking the wrong question.

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Why do some of you guys waste so much time in some of these threads? ..much like the Dungeon. Lol.... sounds like an idea dumber than someone without a diploma. Jeezus christ..go enjoy your Sunday.

 

[was thatguy]

Why do some of you guys waste so much time in some of these threads? ..much like the Dungeon. Lol.... sounds like an idea dumber than someone without a diploma. Jeezus christ..go enjoy your Sunday.

 

[regor]

Your question has been answered by not only myself, but several other members.
I know, it's frustrating when we're not taking your word bait and responding with answers other than what you were striving for.

It's Good if the Navy requires able bodies and is otherwise not able to fulfill that obligation from the available age-group labor pool.

It's only your opinion that the Navy is lowering it's standards, because it's not, if it's requiring a higher skills and aptitude testing qualification from those not holding a often meaningless piece of paper.
I use the term 'Meaningless' as that's the normal ranking of the relative value of public education by your RDP peers and possibly yourself.
I'm surprised when now that normally ridiculed educational training has become worthy of recognition.

My questions have been why are their numbers dwindling, along with why is a branch of service that requires more brains than bodies, lowering their standards to take a risk on recruits?

I'm not recognizing that meaningless piece of paper, I'm questioning why acceptance standards have changed and what is the culprit?

 

[530RL]

If achievement in the recruitment pool goes down, to keep recruitment at the previous levels, the admission standard must drop commensurate with the drop in achievement by the recruitment pool.

Test scores dropped to lowest levels in decades during pandemic, according to nationwide exam

Across the country, math scores dropped their most ever. Reading scores dropped to 1992 levels. Nearly 4 in 10 eighth graders failed to grasp basic math concepts.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Xring01]

My questions have been why are their numbers dwindling, along with why is a branch of service that requires more brains than bodies, lowering their standards to take a risk on recruits?

I'm not recognizing that meaningless piece of paper, I'm questioning why acceptance standards have changed and what is the culprit?


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There are lots of reasons why getting recruits is difficult.
Going woke is one of them.
Biden is another, who wants that bastard making the call if you get deployed or not.

But the biggest reason in my opinion. Is the UNEMPLOYMENT rate, combine with the low pay of entry level military.
If the unemployment rate was closer to 6%, then military pay would be more attractive.
But with unemployment rate of 3.5% ish… kids can make more in the outside world with better long term options.

I can name many other factors to… but will leave it at that for now.

 

[jet496]

I had to get a GED in order to go in the military because I was a dumbass 18 year old, no place to live, incapable of taking care of myself, my family gave up & wouldn't do one thing for me, rightly so at the time. The military saved my life & made a man out of me. I came out with a trade that I ended up starting a business doing to this day.

That being said, I don't see a GED being necessary but seriously, who doesn't at least have that? I don't think this new policy will help the enlistment issue in the slightest.

 

[regor]

There are lots of reasons why getting recruits is difficult.
Going woke is one of them.
Biden is another, who wants that bastard making the call if you get deployed or not.

But the biggest reason in my opinion. Is the UNEMPLOYMENT rate, combine with the low pay of entry level military.
If the unemployment rate was closer to 6%, then military pay would be more attractive.
But with unemployment rate of 3.5% ish… kids can make more in the outside world with best long term options.

I can name many other factors to… but will leave it at that for now.

Imagine stopping aid to Europe and every other mooch out there and paying our troops a decent wage.

Never mind, what am I’m thinking, we have corrupt elite to bribe and money laundering to tend to!!!

We’re governed by crooks, plain and simple.

 

[2Driver]

If you were there, serving in the military it was.
Storm’in Norman took Iraq in short order.

I can only assume you have no military experience.

Too many emotions and hearts on sleeves to discuss the military, best to let it lie.

Yeah, lots of our family were fighters from Sniper Scouts to infantry doing midnight raids in the initial attack on Iraq in unarmored hummers.

 

[Taboma]

I had to get a GED in order to go in the military because I was a dumbass 18 year old, no place to live, incapable of taking care of myself, my family gave up & wouldn't do one thing for me, rightly so at the time. The military saved my life & made a man out of me. I came out with a trade that I ended up starting a business doing to this day.

That being said, I don't see a GED being necessary but seriously, who doesn't at least have that? I don't think this new policy will help the enlistment issue in the slightest.

I knew several Army draftees with similar stories, but their major difference was, they took schooling and received their GEDs through the educational assistance provided by the military. Then continued by taking continuing trade classes as they focused in a particular trade or more specific field.
Good Job

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Lowering the standards means we are lowering the standards........Self-explanatory.

Not sure it makes a difference; name a war since WW2 we've won.

There has been no war declared since WW2. That is why we have not won a war since.

 

[hallett21]

There has been no war declared since WW2. That is why we have not won a war since.

 

[2Driver]

There has been no war declared since WW2. That is why we have not won a war since.

Semantics but if it makes you feel better go for it. I thought there was a 23 year war on terrorism, maybe I dreamt that

 

[Taboma]

My questions have been why are their numbers dwindling, along with why is a branch of service that requires more brains than bodies, lowering their standards to take a risk on recruits?

I'm not recognizing that meaningless piece of paper, I'm questioning why acceptance standards have changed and what is the culprit?


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As I previously stated, the answer to your question(s) is directly attributed to the age group who comprise the vast majority of armed forces applicants.
Rather than directing your blame at the Military, consider the racial, ethnic, socially progressive and vastly left leaning characteristics rather unique to these "Zoomers".
Knowing what the majority of this age group represents and desires for this country's future (Good, bad or horrific) will reveal exactly what you don't want to hear.

I'm sorry I can't offer you the positive affirmation you seek and are so accustomed to receiving in your own Man Cave section.

 

[regor]

As I previously stated, the answer to your question(s) is directly attributed to the age group who comprise the vast majority of armed forces applicants.
Rather than directing your blame at the Military, consider the racial, ethnic, socially progressive and vastly left leaning characteristics rather unique to these "Zoomers".
Knowing what the majority of this age group represents and desires for this country's future (Good, bad or horrific) will reveal exactly what you don't want to hear.

I'm sorry I can't offer you the positive affirmation you seek and are so accustomed to receiving in your own Man Cave section.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Semantics but if it makes you feel better go for it. I thought there was a 23 year war on terrorism, maybe I dreamt that

It is not semantics. You can't win or finish what don’t start or recognize. How did we go from entire world wars taking a couple years to conflicts lasting decades?

The MIC has been the only winner of “wars” in the last 80 years for a reason.

 

[Lumpy]

Don't get me started…Our Government is more corrupt than the Roman Empire NOW! The people can fix this in two or three election cycles but they too brainwashed and stupid.

 

[17 10 Flat]

Starting pay upon enlistment is 23K a year. Includes Food, health care, dental, 30 days paid leave a year. Health care and dental for your family. Not sure exactly the rules during initial training for your family. Once assigned a duty station on base housing is supplied you and the family receive lodging, food, health care.
If living off base is your desire you get an allowance to compensate for this. A corporal at 4 years receives 30K a year. Once factoring in housing, food, heath care, matched 401K there are worse things to be doing.

Of course having a war mongering idiot as your commander in chief is a huge deterrent.

 

[JL95]

Just got 12/12 on the ASVAB practice test

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Just got 12/12 on the ASVAB practice test

Where do you find that? Now I’m curious what’s on it.

 

[JL95]

Where do you find that? Now I’m curious what’s on it.

The one I took was on the national guard website

 

[pronstar]

If you can’t figure out how to complete HS/GED, then you’re probably gonna be a shitty toilet cleaner (pun intended) and if you pulled the pin from a grenade, there’s a good chance you’d throw the pin.

What’s next?
No heartbeat, no problem!

No shirt?
No shoes?
No problem!!

 

[hallett21]

If you can’t figure out how to complete HS/GED, then you’re probably gonna be a shitty toilet cleaner (pun intended) and if you pulled the pin from a grenade, there’s a good chance you’d throw the pin.

What’s next?
No heartbeat, no problem!

No shirt?
No shoes?
No problem!!

You’re kidding right?

A 10 year old can clean a toilet.

I’m pretty sure those who lied about their age in ww1-ww2 did not have a diploma and they seem to throw grenades just fine.

 

[dribble]

What's the problem? It's a good option for someone who could not complete high school. What are their other comparable options? I cannot imagine they'll be placed in a role beyond their capabilities. There are all sorts of jobs in the service... Entry level jobs that will give them structure and discipline which will help them overall.

I have very little problem with this as well. WWII was won by 1000’s of soldiers with very little education. Cal Worthington was an eighth grade dropout who flew a B-17 Bomber in the war. When the Air Force lowered their educational standards due to WWII, Chuck Yeager became a pilot. There are a host of reasons why some people can’t or don’t finish school.

I supervised a guy at BAR who was a high school dropout and a pretty good Honda Tech. He got his GED when he was in his late 30’s after not being hired at BAR in his first couple of attempts. This guy put together the most well written, grammatically correct investigative report I’ve ever seen on his first attempt. Better than any report I ever saw from a college or trade school graduate. He ended up promoting after I left.

 

[pronstar]

You’re kidding right?

A 10 year old can clean a toilet.

I’m pretty sure those who lied about their age in ww1-ww2 did not have a diploma and they seem to throw grenades just fine.

Not kidding.

I wouldn’t compare 18 year olds from “the greatest generation” to those of today.

It’s not a judgement against kids today.

We as a society just don’t instill the same critical thinking, values, skills and education in our kids anymore.

Anyone who fought in WWII would smack the shit out of this gal:

…yet we have a POTUS who basically says the same.

 

[hallett21]

Not kidding.

I wouldn’t compare 18 year olds from “the greatest generation” to those of today.

It’s not a judgement against kids today.

We as a society just don’t instill the same critical thinking, values, skills and education in our kids anymore.

Anyone who fought in WWII would smack the shit out of this gal:

…yet we have a POTUS who basically says the same.

So I guess does using highschool education mater or not? Because the “Greatest Generation” barely had 50% of the population achieve an 8th grade education.

We can back and forth on all of the information we’ve added to the curriculum between then and now.

But I think the only 2 consistent classes would be English (other than adding words to the English language) and math (which only changed at the absolute highest theoretical levels).

National Assessment of Adult Literacy (NAAL) - 120 Years of Literacy

Presents information from 1869-70-the date of the first Office of Education report-to the late 1970s on. The creation of the Federal Department of Education in 1867 highlighted the importance of education.

nces.ed.gov

 

[Taboma]

If you can’t figure out how to complete HS/GED, then you’re probably gonna be a shitty toilet cleaner (pun intended) and if you pulled the pin from a grenade, there’s a good chance you’d throw the pin.

What’s next?
No heartbeat, no problem!

No shirt?
No shoes?
No problem!!

Not every young person shares the same family dynamic that encourages or contributes to completion of one's high school education. It doesn't necessarily indicate they're stupid or incapable.
Some certainly are able to complete this educational milestone after the fact, with others that option may not be readily available for a variety of reasons.
To stereotype and dismiss this group due to a preconceived notion that some piece of paper is some guarantee of intelligence or ability is truly a mistake.

One example is my own wife, a woman who lost both her parents at an early age and then got passed between various relatives, some who cared, several who did not and as such and was required to support herself while most of us were attending proms and left school prior to receiving that apparently magical piece of paper guaranteeing you're worthy.
Eventually she was able to receive her GED, then went on to pass numerous certificate programs, showing her merit in the workplace and rapidly rising through manufacturing ranks to being a lead player in the Top Gun program and other notable defense projects. Eventually, facilities manager and operations manager for various large defense companies --- all with no formal college education.

I served with several Army draftees who were attaining their GEDs after the fact with the assistance of continuing education being offered by the military. They all had a life story far different than my own and displayed no lack of skills or intelligence what so ever.

 

[Taboma]

You’re kidding right?

A 10 year old can clean a toilet.

I’m pretty sure those who lied about their age in ww1-ww2 did not have a diploma and they seem to throw grenades just fine.

His elitist attitude is nauseating.

 

[pronstar]

So I guess does using highschool education mater or not? Because the “Greatest Generation” barely had 50% of the population achieve an 8th grade education.

Just my opinion and I’m a nobody…I think it matters more today than in years past.

In the past, young folks had to think for themselves, work with their hands, things that serve soldiers well. But these don’t equate to today, because we don’t teach those skills.

I don’t think HS/GED are tickets to success. They’re just a measuring sticks…perhaps there are better measuring sticks that we should use…maybe we are using them and I just don’t know it.

 

[hallett21]

Just my opinion and I’m a nobody…I think it matters more today than in years past.

In the past, young folks had to think for themselves, work with their hands, things that serve soldiers well. But these don’t equate to today, because we don’t teach those skills.

I don’t think HS/GED are tickets to success. They’re just a measuring sticks…perhaps there are better measuring sticks that we should use…maybe we are using them and I just don’t know it.

If you have the time it’s worth reading. I’m under the assumption this is all true lol.

Is US military enlistment down?

Enlistment numbers have steadily dropped for the past 40 years. More than 148,318 people enlisted in the US armed forces in 2020, a 59% decline from 1980.

usafacts.org