Depressing Photos of Lake Nacimiento...

[rush1]

My first date with my wife was at that lake , Those pics are hard to look at!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

The rain forecast totals for the upcoming storms through next week.... He's usually fairly accurate this close to the event. The North coast total is the area that feeds the lake and is typically higher than the coastal projections they show (water she'd is the mountains and the projections are for the coastal towns). Usually about 50% higher.

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[Emac]

The rain forecast totals for the upcoming storms through next week.... He's usually fairly accurate this close to the event. The North coast total is the area that feeds the lake and is typically higher than the coastal projections they show (water she'd is the mountains and the projections are for the coastal towns). Usually about 50% higher. View attachment 717341

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Man I sure hope so!!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Man I sure hope so!!

Hey Eric! How you been? You ever get a replacement for the Hallett?

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[4Waters]

The rain forecast totals for the upcoming storms through next week.... He's usually fairly accurate this close to the event. The North coast total is the area that feeds the lake and is typically higher than the coastal projections they show (water she'd is the mountains and the projections are for the coastal towns). Usually about 50% higher. View attachment 717341

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Man I hope not, I seriously would like the lake to go deadpool, then Monterey county has to answer for their complete mismanagement of the resource and most likely would lose control of the water rights.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

Man I hope not, I seriously would like the lake to go deadpool, then Monterey county has to answer for their complete mismanagement of the resource and most likely would lose control of the water rights.

Don’t hold your breath , no matter what happens, catastrophic or not , not one govt official will ever be held liable for anything ! Even if the dam broke for lack of maintenance / repair , the worst that would happen is the person / people in charge would be relocated and given a raise in pay and title upgrade .

 

[Echo Lodge]

http://webcam.oakshores.us:81/jpegpull.htm

Sad...

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Don’t hold your breath , no matter what happens, catastrophic or not , not one govt official will ever be held liable for anything ! Even if the dam broke for lack of maintenance / repair , the worst that would happen is the person / people in charge would be relocated and given a raise in pay and title upgrade .

None thinks anybody will be held accountable, but there is a strong chance of Monterey County losing control of the lake that is wholely in San Luis Obispo county.

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[Emac]

None thinks anybody will be held accountable, but there is a strong chance of Monterey County losing control of the lake that is wholely in San Luis Obispo county.

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Kevin,
Any update n any of this is true? I’ve heard a couple of different things floating around lately but nothing solid.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Kevin,
Any update n any of this is true? I’ve heard a couple of different things floating around lately but nothing solid.

The latest I've heard is what Tank posted earlier in the thread. It was echoed by a friend from another source as well.

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[Tank]

Kevin,
Any update n any of this is true? I’ve heard a couple of different things floating around lately but nothing solid.

As I posted earlier the whole "two county deal" was most likely just based on a hand shake back in the "good ol days" the legal team contracted by the home owners in the area, with help of donations discovered. It is working on revealing there is no legitimate legal standing for Montery County to control the water dump in any way. Like Kevin said, SLO gets 100% rights to the lake, it's going to be a very good thing.

Although, I'd like to see it empty for a couple seasons for my own personal selfish reasons of driving the housing market down so I can buy a little spot in Heritage

 

[Emac]

As I posted earlier the whole "two county deal" was most likely just based on a hand shake back in the "good ol days" the legal team contracted by the home owners in the area, with help of donations discovered. It is working on revealing there is no legitimate legal standing for Montery County to control the water dump in any way. Like Kevin said, SLO gets 100% rights to the lake, it's going to be a very good thing.

Although, I'd like to see it empty for a couple seasons for my own personal selfish reasons of driving the housing market down so I can buy a little spot in Heritage

I in the opposite boat as I keep hoping for the real estate prices to go up! Anytime you want to head up let me know. I have a small place in Heritage.

 

[Emac]

I do hope it is true that the fuktards dumping all the water do lose their control. Kinda a crappy deal always wondering if we are going to have enough water to launch at the ranch.

 

[Tank]

I in the opposite boat as I keep hoping for the real estate prices to go up! Anytime you want to head up let me know. I have a small place in Heritage.

Thanks man! We have really good friends that have a place we've used for years off of Longview (last right before heritage loop). It is nice because I could back the Cigarette on the trailer still hooked up to the truck behind their gate so no issues with parking. I'd love to get the same type of set up. We're actually a few years away from seriously considering buying anything up there but I look all the time.

 

[Emac]

I’m on Spyglass. Just look for the biggest car port on the block and that’s us!

 

[Tank]

Ok guys and gals. Stand by to watch some amazingly weird science of the way this lake works.

Day one of 4 day heavy storm. I’m predicting the lake will be up to normal usage levels at the end of this storm.

Look at the second photo where the docks are, it’s already coming up!

 

[Uncle Dave]

Naci is the twilight zone of lakes with its incredible fill rate.

The only lake I know of in the US where the campground is flooded at 93%

My favorite lake level at Naci is 85%

Go baby!

UD

 

[Tank]

Naci is the twilight zone of lakes with its incredible fill rate.

The only lake I know of in the US where the campground is flooded at 93%

My favorite lake level at Naci is 85%

Go baby!

UD

Absolutely Ageed! I could never understand how everything’s flooded at 90ish percent full! Lol I mean to me, that should be like 105% when things start folding. Anything in the over high 80’s percentage and it’s difficult the use the ramp at oak shores because the top gets shallow so you have to back way into the ramp to get to the point of the hard degrees. and heritage actually has a crappy single ramp to use when it’s high 80% and their main ramp is flooded.

85% is totally perfect.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I love looking at this page if the USGS site during big storms. The amount of water flowing in the Nacimiento river is crazy for it's size and complete lack of melt runoff.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?site_no=11148900

For those that don't know, Naci is fed solely from rain runoff. There is no snow melt to feed the lake (hence why it is one of the very few man-made lakes in the coastal mountain range). I have been told, and have read in various locations, that it is the quickest filling lake in California. I don't know if there is a qualifier on that or if it's by percentage or what. I do know during one of the massive storms we had 2 years ago I did the math and over the heaviest 24 hour period, the lake rose on average 9 verticle inches an hour.

And the general rule of thumb is about 8' vertical feet for every 1 inch or rain after the ground has become saturated. It is 100% saturated now so these big storms coming this week will just raise that level.

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[DrunkenSailor]

I love looking at this page if the USGS site during big storms. The amount of water flowing in the Nacimiento river is crazy for it's size and complete lack of melt runoff.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?site_no=11148900

For those that don't know, Naci is fed solely from rain runoff. There is no snow melt to feed the lake (hence why it is one of the very few man-made lakes in the coastal mountain range). I have been told, and have read in various locations, that it is the quickest filling lake in California. I don't know if there is a qualifier on that or if it's by percentage or what. I do know during one of the massive storms we had 2 years ago I did the math and over the heaviest 24 hour period, the lake rose on average 9 verticle inches an hour.

And the general rule of thumb is about 8' vertical feet for every 1 inch or rain after the ground has become saturated. It is 100% saturated now so these big storms coming this week will just raise that level.

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That's good news. I stumbled across this footage of the Monterey County water commissioner last week.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

A little update for you all. The lake has risen over 19 feet in just over a week. We're only a few feet away from the Heritage ramp being usable again. Here are a couple screen shots for the Naci water level from last week to this week. Pay attention to the rainfall received. Not very much and it's already risen that much. Just nuts!

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[Emac]

Been watching the water levels. Glad we almost have a launch ramp again. i heard Monterrey County has a board meeting coming up (possibly this Friday) to discuss the water releases and the need to adjust them for the steelhead?

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Been watching the water levels. Glad we almost have a launch ramp again. i heard Monterrey County has a board meeting coming up (possibly this Friday) to discuss the water releases and the need to adjust them for the steelhead?

I just saw on their website they had another meeting about another biological opinion study with the army corps of engineers. I thought I saw it said it was gonna be on the 11th (last Friday) but not 100% on that. Apparently the save the dragon peeps did not file in October like they said they were going to and now they are supposedly filing this week. I believe once it is filed they will release the details of the filling to us.

I'm a bit disappointed in the delay. Specially now with the other lawsuit already underway and now a new biological opinion coming out. Sounds like it's gonna be behind the legal 8 ball here.

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[Wombat]

Water is lower than I've ever seen it. This is looking out from Oak Shores and then looking back towards the narrows from west ramp of Oak Shores. Taken today. Depressing.

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Wow, l've got more water in the dams on the farm then at that Lake.

 

[Enen]

I just saw on their website they had another meeting about another biological opinion study with the army corps of engineers. I thought I saw it said it was gonna be on the 11th (last Friday) but not 100% on that. Apparently the save the dragon peeps did not file in October like they said they were going to and now they are supposedly filing this week. I believe once it is filed they will release the details of the filling to us.

I'm a bit disappointed in the delay. Specially now with the other lawsuit already underway and now a new biological opinion coming out. Sounds like it's gonna be behind the legal 8 ball here.

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I think the Army Corp of Engineers is affected by the Government Shutdown? Might be a blessing for this situation?

 

[lbhsbz]

If this quick rain brought the lake up 20ft...I'm just curious as to where the water would have gone had the lake not been drained? It fills up fast it seems.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I think the Army Corp of Engineers is affected by the Government Shutdown? Might be a blessing for this situation?

I was just told the meeting was postponed till the 26th.

The lawsuit was filed today against Monterey county. I was told some of the basic details of the back bone of it, and it could be quiet interesting depending upon the evidence they have.

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[Flying_Lavey]

If this quick rain brought the lake up 20ft...I'm just curious as to where the water would have gone had the lake not been drained? It fills up fast it seems.

If you look on the percentage line of that table, you can see even with a 20 foot rise, it's still only 20% full. Even if they didn't abnormally dump the lakes, there'd still be a bunch of capacity left. I'd be shocked if the lake got to 60%.

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[Pelon]

This used to happen to Big Bear Lake every summer. The water and dam belonged to a water district based in Redlands. In the late 70's the local water company bought the dam and water rights so they could keep the lake level up.

 

[77charger]

Crazy how the lake rises so fast. I know it can come up 10ft overnight.
I've always thought water level about 780 ft was great.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

Water is lower than I've ever seen it. This is looking out from Oak Shores and then looking back towards the narrows from west ramp of Oak Shores. Taken today. Depressing.

Is the launch ramp open

 

[Flying_Lavey]

It is fuckin stormin' here right now! Thunder, lightning, huge winds.... The whole 9..... I would not be surprised if the lake rises 15 feet from this 12 hour storm alone.

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[Tank]

It is absolutely UNREAL how quickly that lake raises. Never ceases to amaze me. I mean, this is 3 days!!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

It is absolutely UNREAL how quickly that lake raises. Never ceases to amaze me. I mean, this is 3 days!!

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Well the inlet peaked at over 20,000 cubic feet/second last night which is almost 150,000 gallons a second. That's JUST Nacimiento river. That doesn't take into account the other feeds like dip Creek, Kavanaugh Creek, Deer Creek, Los Tablas Creek, etc.....

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[Minimatt]

I was just told the meeting was postponed till the 26th.

The lawsuit was filed today against Monterey county. I was told some of the basic details of the back bone of it, and it could be quiet interesting depending upon the evidence they have.

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I just read the lawsuit filing. A couple of quick takeaways: 1.) MCWRA County has applied for and received State funds on multiple occasions with the stated reason being recreational facility development and/or enhancement. 2.) MCWRA is permitted to release no more than 180k CF per year, and has exceeded that amount on at least one occasion in recent years. 3.) MCWRA has re-asserted its commitment to recreational priorities to the State as a part of their grant or permit applications on multiple occasions. 4.) MCWRA has allegedly illegally destroyed public records that have been requested, and has not provided all requested documents, as part of a Public Records Act request.

It should be interesting to watch this unfold. With what I've seen recently with our court/justice system, I'm reluctant to be optimistic about the outcome.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I just read the lawsuit filing. A couple of quick takeaways: 1.) MCWRA County has applied for and received State funds on multiple occasions with the stated reason being recreational facility development and/or enhancement. 2.) MCWRA is permitted to release no more than 180k CF per year, and has exceeded that amount on at least one occasion in recent years. 3.) MCWRA has re-asserted its commitment to recreational priorities to the State as a part of their grant or permit applications on multiple occasions. 4.) MCWRA has allegedly illegally destroyed public records that have been requested, and has not provided all requested documents, as part of a Public Records Act request.

It should be interesting to watch this unfold. With what I've seen recently with our court/justice system, I'm reluctant to be optimistic about the outcome.

I was emailing the NRWMAC secretary yesterday about the lawsuit since the KSBY story came out and I knew it was bullshit and half truths. He didn't want to tell me exactly what was in the filing since they haven't made an official press release. What you said is even better than what he described to me. I'm pretty optimistic that SOMETHING will come of this. Not sure if it'll be what SHOULD happen though.

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[Rotten deal]

It was 108 ft yesterday and now 118 ft . Crazy 10ft in a day

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Another 4 feet yesterday. In the last 14 days the lake has risen a total of 33 vertical feet! There isn't much of any rain forecasted for the next week and a half, but if we get anywhere near average rain the rest of the month or next, there is a strong chance it'll get close to 50% which gives us PLENTY of boatable water and great beaches.


I guess this means I actually have to do some work on the boat. Won't be able to do nearly what I wanted to get done this winter but hopefully I can at least get the rear seat done.

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[River Lynchmob]

If they don't slow the output the thing will be dry by Mem Day.

 

[Tank]

3 days later and the lakes usable again. Lol crazy.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

If they don't slow the output the thing will be dry by Mem Day.

60 cfs is the minimum I do believe for the resources downstream.

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[Flying_Lavey]

3 days later and the lakes usable again. Lol crazy.

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And today.....

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[Emac]

And today..... View attachment 724085

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Looking good. Hoping for couple more feet out of this storm!

Kevin can you pm me your phone number?

 

[Tank]

Looking good. Hoping for couple more feet out of this storm!

Kevin can you pm me your phone number?

I predict the water is at least half way to the tree line in that pic Kevin posted by wed (after this storm). Basically floating that dock on the left side of the pic that is dry right now.

 

[77charger]

After this storm prob come up another 10ft

 

[Jpcal]

After this storm prob come up another 10ft

Probably 25 feet

 

[77charger]

Probably 25 feet

Wouldn't doubt it I know once ground is saturated and river flowing it can come up 10 ft overnight.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

When the water level gets up higher like this there is less vertical rise per volume of water coming in as the banks flattens out higher up.

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[Tank]

Moving on up!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Moving on up!

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Rose 11 feet in 2 days and it's still coming up. Look at this water flow graph of the Naci river. This is upstream of the narrows. And even crazier when you think that this is only 1 of the 5 major feeds into the lake...

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