Chicago...it's a bloodbath

[was thatguy]

334 down as of today.
I knew the summer months would Jack the body count, but I didn't think it would be like this.

We are looking at 600+ extrapolated on the year.

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016-chicago-murders/timeline?mon=7

 

[Yellowboat]

I heard 60+ shot 4 dead for the 4th weekend

 

[Old Texan]

And the beat goes on like business as usual.....Rahm sure isn't vocal or in the news these days.

 

[rivrrts429]

And the beat goes on like business as usual.....Rahm sure isn't vocal or in the news these days.

What about the idiot politicians sitting on the floor after Orlando... Interesting those same idiots aren't sitting on the floor after Chicago's weekend.

Proof that liberals don't give a shit about the inner city folks beyond a vote.

 

[2CHILL]

What about the idiot politicians sitting on the floor after Orlando... Interesting those same idiots aren't sitting on the floor after Chicago's weekend.

Proof that liberals don't give a shit about the inner city folks beyond a vote.

I agree. And conservatives care even less. The change must come from within...

 

[rivrrts429]

I agree. And conservatives care even less. The change must come from within...

What I should've said is politicians in general. I'm only using the liberal example as they were the majority at the sit in after Orlando.

These kids have been killing each other in Chicago for years and nobody seems to care. Until it becomes national news like Orlando and these politicians can get their faces on the news they just won't do anything meaningful. Politics have become a dog and pony show with the main goal of being seen rather than doing.

 

[530RL]

The vast majority of these killings are gang/drug turf wars. End the war on drugs, the violence will reduce. Unfortunately, that would require people to be responsible for their own actions and the conservative party does not agree with that anymore.

 

[was thatguy]

The vast majority of these killings are gang/drug turf wars. End the war on drugs, the violence will reduce. Unfortunately, that would require people to be responsible for their own actions and the conservative party does not agree with that anymore.

In what way will "ending the war on drugs" stop the never ending turf wars that, as you correctly point out, is the primary motivation for the murders?

The drug dealers do not care about politics and laws, they only care about the cash.
Robbing drug dealers is also big business.

Having some real life experience in the drug world, it seems to me that you have a measure of disassociation from the reality of the business models that drug dealers incorporate.
The last thing on their mind is the war on drugs...they have their own wars to wage.

In fact, your politicizing of the situation is one of the perpetuating influences.

 

[530RL]

In what way will "ending the war on drugs" stop the never ending turf wars that, as you correctly point out, is the primary motivation for the murders?

The drug dealers do not care about politics and laws, they only care about the cash.
Robbing drug dealers is also big business.

Having some real life experience in the drug world, it seems to me that you have a measure of disassociation from the reality of the business models that drug dealers incorporate.
The last thing on their mind is the war on drugs...they have their own wars to wage.

In fact, your politicizing of the situation is one of the perpetuating influences.

Your argument defies the history of the last war on drugs, prohibition, and the statistical facts relating to the rise of criminal gangs and murder during prohibition and the reduction in criminal gangs and murder after that war on drugs was ended. History does repeat itself and will again, once this war on drugs is ended.

 

[Racey]

Your argument defies the history of the last war on drugs, prohibition, and the statistical facts relating to the rise of criminal gangs and murder during prohibition and the reduction in criminal gangs and murder after that war on drugs was ended. History does repeat itself and will again, once this war on drugs is ended.

There you go with that logic again......

 

[spectra3279]

The vast majority of these killings are gang/drug turf wars. End the war on drugs, the violence will reduce. Unfortunately, that would require people to be responsible for their own actions and the conservative party does not agree with that anymore.

Really. So killary is being held responsible for her actions.

Rrrrrriiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhttttttt

 

[AzGeo]

I agree. And conservatives care even less. The change must come from within...

I am NOT my brother's keeper .

I cannot blame anyone else for my; drug use, gang violence, fatherless children, neighborhood intimidation, thefts and arrest record . I can't because I don't have any .

I don't have any because I; got a job, worked on my education, stayed out of troublesome groups, took care of my family, always had respect for my family, neighbors, and local authorities .

So don't ask me to 'come together' and help out those who will not help themselves . FUCKUM .

Not one of those criminals has a 'ball and chain' holding them in their 'hoods'. They stay to perpetuate their 'thug lifestyle', They do not want to be better adults, they just want what they have . "Kings of the Shit Holes" .

People of all colors and back rounds come to this country LEGALLY, with virtually nothing and they go forward to enjoy their 'American dreams', because they have the desire to go forward and they work hard to realize their dreams . Many must live in 'poor neighborhoods', yet they don't join gangs, many see what 'other's have', yet don't resort to 'violence or theft', so WHO is really responsible for the criminal inner city problems we have today ?

The Legislators ?

The gun makers ?

The BAD COPS ?

The welfare workers ?

The criminals who demand 'everything' while 'offering nothing' ?

The LEFT has made 'criminal behavior' a political circus, and they deserve whatever the 'animals' give them . The US prisons are full of criminals for a reason, but don't ever allow the LAW to get in the way of another well funded mindless liberal release program .

 

[RGH'sBaba]

I agree. And conservatives care even less. The change must come from within...

Why should they care what happens in SHITCONGO? That turd is an entirely libtard owned and operated cesspool. Fuck that place and fuck the savages that are doing the killing.
If only more commiefornia subhumans could be talked into moving to SHITCONGO....

 

[pronstar]

Politicians have no vested interest in fixing Chicago.
It's always voted Democrat, always will.

The Dems have it in the bag, no effort required to seal those votes.
And Republicans don't even try, it would have an easier time selling ice to eskimos.

But these aren't "government" problems.
They're community problems, and until the community get serious about fixing things, nothing will happen.

Government solutions only usher-in a different set of problems.

 

[Yellowboat]

if drugs all of a suden became legal.... the only thing that would change is the property crime rate.... the thugs want to make the same money... they will just look for other things to do... getting a job won';t be one of them.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Is anyone interested in an under over for a total this year? Since we are in the first week of the second half, figured we can get a numbers game going.

I'm in.


Demoncraps get paid while watching their country(gleefully and with enthusiasm) go down the shitter. We might as well join up and make a buck doing so. IMA figure out the chosen tool and start buying stock.

Figure out a buy in for a pool and the winning guess, or closest guess, gets the pot. 20 25 or 50?

Who's in?

 

[RGH'sBaba]

Is anyone interested in an under over for a total this year? Since we are in the first week of the second half, figured we can get a numbers game going.

I'm in.


Demoncraps get paid while watching their country(gleefully and with enthusiasm) go down the shitter. We might as well join up and make a buck doing so. IMA figure out the chosen tool and start buying stock.

Figure out a buy in for a pool and the winning guess, or closest guess, gets the pot. 20 25 or 50?

Who's in?

I'm not a betting man. The numbers will be big, compared to the more civilized parts of the country. My prediction is this.....Not Enough.

 

[Bobby V]

Why should they care what happens in SHITCONGO? That turd is an entirely libtard owned and operated cesspool. Fuck that place and fuck the savages that are doing the killing.
If only more commiefornia subhumans could be talked into moving to SHITCONGO....

So when are you moving. :lmao

 

[RGH'sBaba]

So when are you moving. :lmao

Good one.
Subhumans are libtards and their little protected pet species', so you're invited.

 

[pronstar]

Interesting facts (2015 numbers)
- Close to 10% of US firearm murders happen in Chicago
- About 7% happen in Baltimore
- Another 7% in Detroit
- 4% happen in DC

That's over 25% of all firearm murder happening in just 4 cities.

 

[RGH'sBaba]

Interesting facts (2015 numbers)
- Close to 10% of US firearm murders happen in Chicago
- About 7% happen in Baltimore
- Another 7% in Detroit
- 4% happen in DC

That's over 25% of all firearm murder happening in just 4 cities.

What are some commonalities of those particular shitholes? Governance? Demographic? Restrictions on Constitutionally "protected" rights? Hmm....

 

[wsuwrhr]

Interesting facts (2015 numbers)
- Close to 10% of US firearm murders happen in Chicago
- About 7% happen in Baltimore
- Another 7% in Detroit
- 4% happen in DC

That's over 25% of all firearm murder happening in just 4 cities.

Figured LA would be in there too.

 

[Yellowboat]

alll cities where its hard to get a gun and no way you can get a ccw... gee I wonder if that may have part to play... you know no way to defend yourself against thugs.




to be fair I say let the gang bangers kill each other... if they would just keep the violence between them I would say lets even arm them.

 

[RGH'sBaba]

to be fair I say let the gang bangers kill each other... if they would just keep the violence between them I would say lets even arm them.

Nah, just declare open season on thugs. Issue hunting permits, collect revenue from it.
One simple rule: if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it's a fuckin' duck, and therefore fair game.

 

[shintoooo]

Does anyone here care if these people in Chicago kill themselves?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da7_1467820245

 

[Yellowboat]

Does anyone here care if these people in Chicago kill themselves?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da7_1467820245

bounty $10000 a head. still way cheaper then one weekend of these thugs having fun....



but I am sure their mother/grand mother will get on tv and say they were good kids just trying to help a little only lady across the street while reading the bible, getting straight As and cleaning up the trash from the hood.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Does anyone here care if these people in Chicago kill themselves?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da7_1467820245

Not on the surface sir, but the problem isn't that simple. It becomes a generational problem with more lured into that mess and it is self fulfilling.

Brian

 

[530RL]

Does anyone here care if these people in Chicago kill themselves?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da7_1467820245

Just a bunch of red blooded mericans exercising their constitutionally protected 2nd amendment rights. :thumbsup:thumbsup :smackhead

 

[AzGeo]

alll cities where its hard to get a gun and no way you can get a ccw... gee I wonder if that may have part to play... you know no way to defend yourself against thugs.




to be fair I say let the gang bangers kill each other... if they would just keep the violence between them I would say lets even arm them.

They need to go 'outside' to bring in cash, guns, electronics, new cars . They LIKE your new house and car !

The real terrible problem is the fact that the A-HOLES live among and intimidate, real honest, hard working people . Grandmas, Moms, uncles, kids, and all the other 'terrified citizens' are too scared to work with Police, and so the 'outlaws' keep getting violent at a more early age by the day .

WHAT, keeps people living in the 'inner city', when they live in constant fear of death or robbery ? The left wing social programs DEMAND that those who need help, live in the worst places on the map . Those same programs offer NO WAY OUT, only a viscous (how did he get in here?) cycle that NEVER allows the good people any relief , and a way out of the neighborhood mess .

Just like the 'left wing fools' doing the 'sit-in' in Congress, they make 'bold political statements', while KNOWING their motives and results to be FALSE . Those same people NEVER do a 'sit-in' for poor inner city people, because they DON"T REALLY CARE .

They pick only the 'news worthy topics' and to hell with the voters who sent them to office . Remember the "50 years of voting Democratic, and what have we gotten ?"

HEY, Children ! The left is worried that the GOP will send an 'opinionated game show host' to the White House, while the whole country should really be worried about the left sending a 'serial felon, liar, cheat, traitor, who can't control her own staff Emails or business', to the White House .

When this country has an administration that allows the FBI to investigate a problem, allows the AG to defer to the opinions of the FBI leader, all the while having numerous OUTSIDE people in contact with the AG, FBI, and others during the investigation, I must ask, "why do any of these actions, if it is all being manipulated from behind the scenes" ?

I guess they (the left) just needs a really great story they can feed to the press ........

 

[was thatguy]

Your argument defies the history of the last war on drugs, prohibition, and the statistical facts relating to the rise of criminal gangs and murder during prohibition and the reduction in criminal gangs and murder after that war on drugs was ended. History does repeat itself and will again, once this war on drugs is ended.

Comparing prohibition to the modern day heroin epidemic actually proves my point.

It underscores my contention that you really aren't aware of the mechanics of heroin addiction, and the business of supplying hard illegal drugs.

Prohibition involved a legal substance that a vast number of tax paying, law abiding citizens partake of on many different levels...and made it illegal.
To believe that making alcohol legal again is the same as legalizing heroin and meth is ludicrous.
The drug dealers would run fucking wild with that. They would foster and create a MASSIVE push to string out even more addicts to increase revenue... ESPECIALLY with a lower market value.

It may be true that prisons would drop population, but the fucking morgues would easily top that number.
Of course, since population decrease IS a major goal of those who would control the populace completley, it would serve that nicely.
There are no casual addicts...only those who haven't reached the depths of their addiction yet.

 

[RGH'sBaba]

Does anyone here care if these people in Chicago kill themselves?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da7_1467820245

Negative. To the contrary I encourage it.

 

[pronstar]

Make weed legal, eliminate over 50% of drug arrests...nearly 90% of which are for possession, not distribution.

Free our LEO's to go after real criminals.

 

[bonesfab]

Just goes to show Chitcago needs a shooting range.. It cost more to fix these fucks that are wounded than it does to bury the dead.. The kill ratio sucks.. :skull

 

[530RL]

Comparing prohibition to the modern day heroin epidemic actually proves my point.

It underscores my contention that you really aren't aware of the mechanics of heroin addiction, and the business of supplying hard illegal drugs.

Prohibition involved a legal substance that a vast number of tax paying, law abiding citizens partake of on many different levels...and made it illegal.
To believe that making alcohol legal again is the same as legalizing heroin and meth is ludicrous.
The drug dealers would run fucking wild with that. They would foster and create a MASSIVE push to string out even more addicts to increase revenue... ESPECIALLY with a lower market value.

It may be true that prisons would drop population, but the fucking morgues would easily top that number.
Of course, since population decrease IS a major goal of those who would control the populace completley, it would serve that nicely.
There are no casual addicts...only those who haven't reached the depths of their addiction yet.

Well, people chose to put a needle in their arm or they choose not to.

I believe the most important fundamental principle of American exceptionalism is personal responsibility in all matters, and one can not pick and choose where that principle starts and stops if they want the America we once had.

 

[was thatguy]

Well, people chose to put a needle in their arm or they choose not to.

I believe the most important fundamental principle of American exceptionalism is personal responsibility in all matters, and one can not pick and choose where that principle starts and stops if they want the America we once had.

I understand your point perfectly.

What I think you should really consider is that not all vices are equal.
You are a world traveler. You know damned well that some of the country's you go to have ZERO tolerance and simply kill addicts and dealers. We don't do that.
But to think that removing the penalty of the law concerning drugs will help this country you are looking at it from a strictly political or financial vantage point.

Legalizing possession and use hard drugs like heroin would simply kill this country.
The zombie apocalypse for real.
Again, I really don't think you understand the mechanics of the drug trade, and what it is really like.

 

[530RL]

I understand your point perfectly.

What I think you should really consider is that not all vices are equal.
You are a world traveler. You know damned well that some of the country's you go to have ZERO tolerance and simply kill addicts and dealers. We don't do that.
But to think that removing the penalty of the law concerning drugs will help this country you are looking at it from a strictly political or financial vantage point.

Legalizing possession and use hard drugs like heroin would simply kill this country.
The zombie apocalypse for real.
Again, I really don't think you understand the mechanics of the drug trade, and what it is really like.

I agree that alll vices are not equal but the results of all vices can be objectively measured.

The fact, not my opinion, but the fact is that alcohol kills and destroys families at a rate in multiples greater relative to other "hard" drugs such as heroin.

So if you believe "hard" drugs demand government intervention, criminal prosecution and an illegality due to their effects, would it not be consistent following your logic and the objective measurable facts for you to argue to take the position that alcohol should be treated by the government in the same way or more harshly than "hard" drugs?

I fully understand your answer will be no, but is it not logically inconsistent based upon the facts?

 

[pronstar]

^^^ since when do "logic" and "government" go hand-in-hand?

Laws are made by humans, and we aren't very good at either governing logically or consistently.

I do think that the line has to be drawn somewhere between prohibition and "anything goes", and that line shifts as society shifts.

 

[Gelcoater]

I agree that alll vices are not equal but the results of all vices can be objectively measured.

The fact, not my opinion, but the fact is that alcohol kills and destroys families at a rate in multiples greater relative to other "hard" drugs such as heroin.

So if you believe "hard" drugs demand government intervention, criminal prosecution and an illegality due to their effects, would it not be consistent following your logic and the objective measurable facts for you to argue to take the position that alcohol should be treated by the government in the same way or more harshly than "hard" drugs?

I fully understand your answer will be no, but is it not logically inconsistent based upon the facts?

The fact,not my opinion but the fact is more people drink alcohol than do heroin.At a rate multiple times greater relative to the population of the country.
Of course the numbers will point towards alcohol in regards to drug related deaths.

 

[AzGeo]

I agree that alll vices are not equal but the results of all vices can be objectively measured.

The fact, not my opinion, but the fact is that alcohol kills and destroys families at a rate in multiples greater relative to other "hard" drugs such as heroin.

So if you believe "hard" drugs demand government intervention, criminal prosecution and an illegality due to their effects, would it not be consistent following your logic and the objective measurable facts for you to argue to take the position that alcohol should be treated by the government in the same way or more harshly than "hard" drugs?

I fully understand your answer will be no, but is it not logically inconsistent based upon the facts?

Mr 530 says all you RDP inmates who drink are just like heroin junkies, you have a very poor record of destroying families, and causing death .

Please go on, I'm drinking this knowledge up !

 

[boatdoc55]

I am NOT my brother's keeper .

I cannot blame anyone else for my; drug use, gang violence, fatherless children, neighborhood intimidation, thefts and arrest record . I can't because I don't have any .

I don't have any because I; got a job, worked on my education, stayed out of troublesome groups, took care of my family, always had respect for my family, neighbors, and local authorities .

So don't ask me to 'come together' and help out those who will not help themselves . FUCKUM .

Not one of those criminals has a 'ball and chain' holding them in their 'hoods'. They stay to perpetuate their 'thug lifestyle', They do not want to be better adults, they just want what they have . "Kings of the Shit Holes" .

People of all colors and back rounds come to this country LEGALLY, with virtually nothing and they go forward to enjoy their 'American dreams', because they have the desire to go forward and they work hard to realize their dreams . Many must live in 'poor neighborhoods', yet they don't join gangs, many see what 'other's have', yet don't resort to 'violence or theft', so WHO is really responsible for the criminal inner city problems we have today ?

The Legislators ?

The gun makers ?

The BAD COPS ?

The welfare workers ?

The criminals who demand 'everything' while 'offering nothing' ?

The LEFT has made 'criminal behavior' a political circus, and they deserve whatever the 'animals' give them . The US prisons are full of criminals for a reason, but don't ever allow the LAW to get in the way of another well funded mindless liberal release program .

IMO, This has got to be one of the all time best posts I've read since I joined this wacky group!!!!

 

[Hullbilly]

I agree that alll vices are not equal but the results of all vices can be objectively measured.

The fact, not my opinion, but the fact is that alcohol kills and destroys families at a rate in multiples greater relative to other "hard" drugs such as heroin.

So if you believe "hard" drugs demand government intervention, criminal prosecution and an illegality due to their effects, would it not be consistent following your logic and the objective measurable facts for you to argue to take the position that alcohol should be treated by the government in the same way or more harshly than "hard" drugs?

I fully understand your answer will be no, but is it not logically inconsistent based upon the facts?

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[Racey]

I don't know about you guys, but the only thing stopping me from going out and sticking a needle in my arm shooting up with H is because the government says it's illegal :rolleyes

 

[was thatguy]

I don't know about you guys, but the only thing stopping me from going out and sticking a needle in my arm shooting up with H is because the government says it's illegal :rolleyes

I get your sarcasm and logic, but you are not representative of the population as a whole.
Fear of arrest and losing everything is a big deterrent for many many people.

You may not understand that, and why would you? You've never been down that road.

 

[530RL]

The fact,not my opinion but the fact is more people drink alcohol than do heroin.At a rate multiple times greater relative to the population of the country.
Of course the numbers will point towards alcohol in regards to drug related deaths.

And when alcohol was made illegal, criminal gangs and criminal activity skyrocketed.

If Tommy thinks "hard" drugs should be illegal due to their affects on society, it only stands to reason that so should alcohol.

I believe neither should be illegal, people should be responsible for their own choices and deal with the consequences.

But then again, as AzGeo states, that is liberal left wing logic in the RDP universe.

 

[was thatguy]

And when alcohol was made illegal, criminal gangs and criminal activity skyrocketed.

If Tommy thinks "hard" drugs should be illegal due to their affects on society, it only stands to reason that so should alcohol.

I believe neither should be illegal, people should be responsible for their own choices and deal with the consequences.

But then again, as AzGeo states, that is liberal left wing logic in the RDP universe.

Millions of people can take a drink and put it away.
No heroin user can do that.

 

[530RL]

Millions of people can take a drink and put it away.
No heroin user can do that.

Your logic is that government needs to intervene somehow with a heroin users decisions as he really has no choice, is caught up by it, and can not put it away.

That logic is used every day by the liberals to promote funding for tens of billions of programs for all sorts of human failings.

Who gets to draw the line and who gets the bill?

 

[Long Way Home]

And when alcohol was made illegal, criminal gangs and criminal activity skyrocketed.

If Tommy thinks "hard" drugs should be illegal due to their affects on society, it only stands to reason that so should alcohol.

I believe neither should be illegal, people should be responsible for their own choices and deal with the consequences.

But then again, as AzGeo states, that is liberal left wing logic in the RDP universe.

:thumbsup

Drug enforcement officials often cite drug-related violence as a reason that drugs must be eliminated from our society, but it is actually the system of drug prohibition that causes much of the violence. Just as alcohol prohibition allowed organized crime to flourish in the 1920s, drug prohibition empowers a dangerous underground market that breeds violent crime throughout the United States and the world.

 

[Old Texan]

As far as the Chicago and other urban murders go, drugs are not the root cause, they are just what has been chosen at this particular time as the crime tool of choice. The human element in the equation will always have something to use economically to survive. It's a criminal enterprise problem involving gang subcultures that use violence as a way of life.

Cartels and lower organizational criminal groups up to philosophical terrorist groups are world wide. Chicago is the hot topic due to death numbers. Bloods, Crips, ISIS. Basically the same from a mental point of perspective I think.

 

[Racey]

Millions of people can take a drink and put it away.
No heroin user can do that.

No, no heroin addict can do that, just as no alcoholic can put down booze.

There are plenty of casual opiate users, Not everyone is a full blown junkie even though the societal picture is painted that way.


Not to mention the incredibly deep ramifications of tagging users with a life sentence of criminal conviction that follows them around till they die, every time they apply for a job, go to rent an apt, etc, turning what could otherwise be a productive member of society into someone with very few options in life because of a stupid mistake early in their life that had no effect on anyone else except themselves.

I mean Tommy, aren't you a self admitted ex user seller from your early years? Were you convicted and given a felony on your record? You've obviously turned your life around since decades past.....

 

[was thatguy]

No, no heroin addict can do that, just as no alcoholic can put down booze.

There are plenty of casual opiate users, Not everyone is a full blown junkie even though the societal picture is painted that way.


Not to mention the incredibly deep ramifications of tagging users with a life sentence of criminal conviction that follows them around till they die, every time they apply for a job, go to rent an apt, etc, turning what could otherwise be a productive member of society into someone with very few options in life because of a stupid mistake early in their life that had no effect on anyone else except themselves.

I mean Tommy, aren't you a self admitted ex user seller from your early years? Were you convicted and given a felony on your record? You've obviously turned your life around since decades past.....

Yeah, I actually did exactly as you suggest. I could see that either death or imprisonment was my immediate future after decades of crack use. I quit on my own,just drive away from Alaska and 30 years of my adult life, and started over alone, by myself in a state where I knew nobody.
It wasn't the fear of death, but rather the fear of being exposed from arrest.


I completley understand the points you are making, it seems completley logical. BUT, my opinions are formed from being in the trenches from homeless junkie, a paid mule running kilos coast to coast and Canada, direct dealings with Mexican cartel members, street dealers, dirty cops, attorneys making $$ on the side by informing distributors of Intel from Le and court clerks...pretty much seen it all at some time or another.

My opinion, and I believe it to be 100% correct, is that NOTHING good would ever come from legalizing hard drugs.
I'm not talking pot, but meth and heroin

I would remind you guys that I have never considered myself a right winger. I have said many times that the paradigm shift of the last 8 years has deposited me here.

Politicizing things like the Chicago murder rate, drug laws, etc. is what comes from the top down, from smart guys like you and 530...and you guys ARE like the smart ones here!
But my view is from the other side of the issues, the view from the ally.
I've seen a 13 yo fall over with a needle in his arm, I've seen the damage from drug use in many many lives lost and families destroyed.

You can not blindly just make everything legal and up to individual responsibility. Some things are just too fucking evil. Heroin and meth being in that list.