CARB going after Motorhomes

[Bigbore500r]

Looks like the idiots at CARB are looking for
different revenue streams....

Anyone else??

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Looks like i'm gonna keep the V10 gasser rig around longer than I thought!

What a bunch of BS!

 

[Sportin' Wood]

You’re way too much drama.

How so?

Edit: So I did a Google search, if the interweb is correct, it appears to be a combination of the granular size of the sand being very fine, and the presence of tar caused by natural seepage of oil from he ocean floor. Beaches with more course sand are less likely to be as sticky. Always wondered. Now I know.

 

[Groper]

How much is the BS fee? Just another thing to pay for

asking for a friend….

It's $30 a year and it's called a "Compliance Fee" according to my invoice it looks like it started in 2023, so I was back charge for 2023 and then also paid for last year2024.

so you had the smog check done? or just paid the fees?i just paid the fees no “smog check “

mines a 2000 sport chassis s.

No smog check this time but I will have to next year for the 2026 tag.

Maybe I missed it, but how much is the state fee, and what are the smog shops charging to inspect diesel’s? I’m assuming it’s strictly a visual inspection?

I'm thinking the same thing, just an inspection, there are mobile guys and or a smog shop, I use Fleet Services in Anaheim and while responding to your question I made a call to help answer your question as accurately as possible because that's what we all do here @RDP.

The test is through the OBD.
>pre 2013 units are $200 (more paperwork)
>2013 up is $100

 

[Waterjunky]

got my notice in the mail a few days ago also.,....
The wife didn't appreciate it when I brought up I wanted to do the Montana thing when we bought it.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I live in Tucson which is in Pima county and it is not just Diesel motorhomes but all diesel vehicles are smog checked yearly. My 2001 National RV with a 3126 CAT in it gets smog checked every year and it is a piece of cake. Drive up and they check a few things. Do a snap test and pay the $12.25 fee. Never leave the driver seat. Same thing for my 2018 Ram 2500.

First year I did the motorhome I asked the guy if diesel motorhomes fail smog check often and his responses was in all my years I have never seen or heard of one failing.

Also it is not a Pima county requirement but a city of Tucson requirement. If you live in the surrounding area like Marana, Oro Valley, Vail, Sahuarita, etc. there is no smog check requirements and all of those cities are in Pima County. My mom has a house in Marana AZ as well as lots of friends and they verified they do not have a smog check requirement to renew vehicle registration. I plan to register my ram there when I get around to deleting it.

Beat me to it.... Here is the map from the AZDEQ for Tucson.

And for Phoenix area...

What Is Area A and Area B? | ADEQ

Area A: A section of Arizona in Maricopa and parts of Pinal County with the following restrictions in place to help reduce air pollution: • Vehicles registered at addresses located in Area A that are more than five years old (by manufacture date) require an emissions test | Learn More >• Leaf...

www.azdeq.gov

 

[Done-it-again]

Reason # 2001 to get a Montana LLC if you live in CA

 

[dread Pirate]

One of my friends RV will need a $10k particulate filter installed to comply. It's a $25k rv. Sent in his registration renewal and got the letter back. He paid the registration and has proof, so he's driving it to Montana with expired tags and it will most likely return with Montana plates.

 

[Done-it-again]

One of my friends RV will need a $10k particulate filter installed to comply. It's a $25k rv. Sent in his registration renewal and got the letter back. He paid the registration and has proof, so he's driving it to Montana with expired tags and it will most likely return with Montana plates.

Shouldn't need to drive to MT, just set up a company through a firm (takes under an hr) and transfer the asset under the LLC name. Assuming no lean on the RV?

 

[81eliminator]

First I am not sure CARB is a legal organization.
Second Fee's issued from a tax supported organization may be double taxation.
Third, a Fee is a tax that was not voted on by the public or our representatives.
We went thru this a few years ago with the utility fee that a lot of cities instituted, when these were taken to court they got overturned.
Maybe it's time for the truck companies and us to band together and file lawsuits.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Shouldn't need to drive to MT, just set up a company through a firm (takes under an hr) and transfer the asset under the LLC name. Assuming no lean on the RV?

Agreed, you'll spend more on fuel than you will for the whole process. However if you need an excuse for a vacation, it's a win/win.

 

[dread Pirate]

Shouldn't need to drive to MT, just set up a company through a firm (takes under an hr) and transfer the asset under the LLC name. Assuming no lean on the RV?

Agreed, you'll spend more on fuel than you will for the whole process. However if you need an excuse for a vacation, it's a win/win.

It's an older rv and has been owned outright for years. Trip was already planned. They are retired and both have health issues. This is their last trip most likely. Just another kick to the nuts for a retired CHP officer.

 

[TeamGreene]

I have a 2003 F250 with a 7.3 which is obviously pre def but also no cat. I'm fearing the Gestapo aka CARB sending me a letter that its no longer able to be registered in CA.
I already have to participate in their bi-annual money grab "smog test" which consists of nothing but paper work and a scan of my cc. There's nothing to test it never gets connected to anything. Such bullshit.

 

[dread Pirate]

I have a 2003 F250 with a 7.3 which is obviously pre def but also no cat. I'm fearing the Gestapo aka CARB sending me a letter that its no longer able to be registered in CA.
I already have to participate in their bi-annual money grab "smog test" which consists of nothing but paper work and a scan of my cc. There's nothing to test it never gets connected to anything. Such bullshit.

From what I have heard 250's are ok for now. 350's may get the letter in 2026.

 

[Ducksquasher]

Shouldn't need to drive to MT, just set up a company through a firm (takes under an hr) and transfer the asset under the LLC name. Assuming no lean on the RV?

Does a moho need to paid off completely to register under a Montana, LLC?

 

[DWC]

First I am not sure CARB is a legal organization.
Second Fee's issued from a tax supported organization may be double taxation.
Third, a Fee is a tax that was not voted on by the public or our representatives.
We went thru this a few years ago with the utility fee that a lot of cities instituted, when these were taken to court they got overturned.
Maybe it's time for the truck companies and us to band together and file lawsuits.

When has being legal stopped California or it’s made up BS

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Does a moho need to paid off completely to register under a Montana, LLC?

It's been years since I did the Montana LLC thing, but you have to transfer ownership of the vehicle title to an LLC and that may be an issue for the lien holder. I never did it for anything that I did not hold title on. The service companies are pretty good at explaining the process. I've got to do one for my son in a couple months, but he has a Montana address, and owns his vehicles so I anticipate a different process.

FWIW years ago when I did the LLC I owned a online store and we had a warehouse in Riverside California, it created Nexus and enough complexity that we shut it down. I'm not confident based on past performance that California is going to accept continued use of Montana LLCs by California primary residents as a loop hole to avoid regulations and tax. Do your own due diligence.

 

[NIKAL]

It's $30 a year and it's called a "Compliance Fee" according to my invoice it looks like it started in 2023, so I was back charge for 2023 and then also paid for last year2024.


No smog check this time but I will have to next year for the 2026 tag.


I'm thinking the same thing, just an inspection, there are mobile guys and or a smog shop, I use Fleet Services in Anaheim and while responding to your question I made a call to help answer your question as accurately as possible because that's what we all do here @RDP.

The test is through the OBD.
>pre 2013 units are $200 (more paperwork)
>2013 up is $100

So it’s not a visual if they are plugging in just like a traditional gas engine smog check. And $200, or $100 per year, plus the $30 fee! Ouch!

 

[Singleton]

Does a moho need to paid off completely to register under a Montana, LLC?

It depends
If paid off, makes the process easier.

If you have a note, your LLC needs to buy the RV and make the payments. So now your LLC need to show income. This starts to become a PIA. LLC must also have bank account to pay registration from.

My new RV will not go into my LLC to start (has a note). Multiple reasons why, but dealer gave me better deal if I used their financing. So, in 2 years (when current state registration is up), I will refinance the remaining about due, using a personal loan (not attached to RV), so title is clear. Then transfer RV into LLC.

 

[mash on it]

I have a 2003 F250 with a 7.3 which is obviously pre def but also no cat. I'm fearing the Gestapo aka CARB sending me a letter that its no longer able to be registered in CA.
I already have to participate in their bi-annual money grab "smog test" which consists of nothing but paper work and a scan of my cc. There's nothing to test it never gets connected to anything. Such bullshit.

That's odd, I've got a 96 F350 7.3, originally a Texas truck, with a cat.
And a 95 F250 7.3, original AZ truck, also has a cat. Brother has a 99 (May of 98) super duty F230 7.3 also has a cat, California truck.

Dan'l

 

[dread Pirate]

That's odd, I've got a 96 F350 7.3, originally a Texas truck, with a cat.
And a 95 F250 7.3, original AZ truck, also has a cat. Brother has a 99 (May of 98) super duty F230 7.3 also has a cat, California truck.

Dan'l

Thats weird. I have 3 7.3's 99-02 and none have cats. Don't know that I've seen any that do? Especially pre 2000.

 

[mash on it]

Thats weird. I have 3 7.3's 99-02 and none have cats. Don't know that I've seen any that do? Especially pre 2000.

Maybe it's not a cat? But it has that honeycomb (clay? Porcelain?) Material in it. Pic taken just now.

Easily seen hanging below the frame, pass. side.

Dan'l

 

[Jefftowz]

One of my 2021 Freightliner Tow Trucks was flagged " Not Carb Compliant" on the last overpriced DMV renewal, was sent back with only the Non Compliant not, then figure I was lucky to be picked out to be smog tested, Found a shop $200 cash only, I asked him now what? He said "He has no idea" Called CARB and they told me to register on their site... Still waiting for instruction on what's next.... Feel bad for all guys that deleted...

 

[69hondo]

I just went through this
05 Diesel pusher. Register with carb compliance website. Pay 30 bucks. get certificate. Went to AAA and got my tags. fairly easy. Carb website sucks.
Mine is an 05 so in 2025 when they start "smogging" them I will just have a visual once a year.
2011 and newer will have to be plugged in like current OBD2 systems.

 

[TimeBandit]

I just went through this
05 Diesel pusher. Register with carb compliance website. Pay 30 bucks. get certificate. Went to AAA and got my tags. fairly easy. Carb website sucks.
Mine is an 05 so in 2025 when they start "smogging" them I will just have a visual once a year.
2011 and newer will have to be plugged in like current OBD2 systems.

I thought motorhomes had OBD2 compliance starting in 2004?

Do you have an OBD2 port on yours??

 

[JLG614]

I’m not sure if the Montana thing is still working. I could be wrong but the firm that my dad had his Montana LLC registered through basically told him that the state is putting a stop to it and can’t do it anymore. He closed the LLC and put everything at his AZ home address. Again this is just his situation, maybe others can still get it done

 

[Done-it-again]

Does a moho need to paid off completely to register under a Montana, LLC?

Typically yes and much easier.

My RV has a loan, but it's loaned to my LLC as guarantor and you do pay a higher rate to have this done. Not sure how how this would be done unless you sold it to your LLC but you would still need a loan broker to find a bank that would loan on it with a LLC. My bank loan is through Bank OZK....

 

[Done-it-again]

I’m not sure if the Montana thing is still working. I could be wrong but the firm that my dad had his Montana LLC registered through basically told him that the state is putting a stop to it and can’t do it anymore. He closed the LLC and put everything at his AZ home address. Again this is just his situation, maybe others can still get it done

Still alive and well... Some firms quit the game as there needed to be some gov oversite on who actually owned the LLC. Some MT LLC's are owned by multiple LLC's that made it difficult to know the who were the principles of the LLC.

 

[Done-it-again]

It depends
If paid off, makes the process easier.

If you have a note, your LLC needs to buy the RV and make the payments. So now your LLC need to show income. This starts to become a PIA. LLC must also have bank account to pay registration from.

My new RV will not go into my LLC to start (has a note). Multiple reasons why, but dealer gave me better deal if I used their financing. So, in 2 years (when current state registration is up), I will refinance the remaining about due, using a personal loan (not attached to RV), so title is clear. Then transfer RV into LLC.

The rate for a LLC is about 1.25% higher than normal, so it needs to make sense. What you do save is the sales tax and that is one of main keys... I would guess your sales tax on the new RV is around 14k and needs to be taken into consideration.

 

[69hondo]

I thought motorhomes had OBD2 compliance starting in 2004?

Do you have an OBD2 port on yours??

No, I do not have the OBD 2 port.

 

[was thatguy]

Hey, I think I worked on that platform years ago!

 

[69hondo]

I thought motorhomes had OBD2 compliance starting in 2004?

Do you have an OBD2 port on yours??

Maybe in the gas coaches.
My 2000 gasser had OBD2

here is from a websitte.

" starting in 2004, OBDII began phasing into the EPA's "heavy-duty" class (8,500- to 14,000-pound GVWR). As of 2007, all vehicles sold in the U.S. in this weight class must be OBDII compliant."

 

[spectra3279]

Sorry CARB - My motorhome identifies as an lesbian friendly tiny home

Oh so you mean a diesel dyke

 

[spectra3279]

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Maybe it's not a cat? But it has that honeycomb (clay? Porcelain?) Material in it. Pic taken just now.

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Easily seen hanging below the frame, pass. side.

Dan'l

Could be. Resonator

 

[Singleton]

The rate for a LLC is about 1.25% higher than normal, so it needs to make sense. What you do save is the sales tax and that is one of main keys... I would guess your sales tax on the new RV is around 14k and needs to be taken into consideration.

I own property in New Mexico and can use the RV snowbird laws to my advantage.
Tax is 4.3%, registration is 250 for 2 years. After 2 years I can renew registration in New Mexico without having to be a resident or transfer to another state.

I use the LLC as a legal way to avoid the unsecured “luxury” property tax BS in CA.

My ToyHauler and RV does not spend enough time in CA. Usually only days a year

 

[mash on it]

Could be. Resonator

It's definitely a resonator.
But Ford calls it a catalytic converter. Same/same.

 

[Mandelon]

The fees for RV inspections are quite a bit higher. I took this pic recently at a smog station.

 

[was thatguy]

You guys should be ashamed for plotting to circumvent the fees!
Do you know how many illegals you can feed for that $300 or whatever?!
Ok ok, maybe just one…for a day…
But do you know how many free needles that buys for the junkies??
Ok ok, maybe just a few for a few days…
It is CA after all.
Thank god the new ammo and gun tax is in effect!
That, coupled with the highest gas tax in the nation might keep them fed and high!

 

[TimeBandit]

And the gas tax went up two cents a gallon July 1st.

Don't worry they can spend it faster than they can think of new ways to collect it.

 

[ka0tyk]

Hahahaha. Fffffffffffvck California. My 12.7 laughs at that dumb ass state now.

 

[Mandelon]

Doesn't the law in CA say if you move a vehicle into the state you have a couple weeks to register it? Having a Montana LLC circumvents that? I remember my neighbors would have AZ plated cars and if they were around too long they would get cited. I know police don't have time for that stuff nowadays but I assume there is a risk you will get caught?


Any vehicle owned by a nonresident and furnished to a California resident for their regular use within this state must be registered in California within 20 days after first operation of the vehicle in this state by the resident (CVC §4000.4).


My neighbor has a couple cars, truck and a big ass trailer all with Montana plates parked across the street from me. But he actually used to live in Montana, LOL

https://www.reddit.com/r/askcarguys/comments/18qr83n

 

[Groper]

I do see the discrepancy here regarding where the vehicle is located, garaged and operated and how it's owned by the LLC but what this guy left out is, can the vehicle be insured through the LLC in the state where it's registered with the LLC?

 

[Done-it-again]

I do see the discrepancy here regarding where the vehicle is located, garaged and operated and how it's owned by the LLC but what this guy left out is, can the vehicle be insured through the LLC in the state where it's registered with the LLC?

My 5er has a carrier that covers MT and my father has his DP with progressive that also covers MT.

 

[MPHSystems]

15-minute city

The intention of this human-centric design concept is to reduce the use of cars and instead promote walking, cycling, and use of public transport. As such, 15-minute cities tend to emphasise features like green and public spaces, bike lanes and public walkways rather than roads.

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There are only 2 places this would work:

1) ethnically homogeneous society
2) prison.

 

[mash on it]

There are only 3 places this would work:

1) ethnically homogeneous society
2) prison.
3) concentration camps

Fixed it for ya'

Dan'l

 

[HALLETT BOY]

The problem I see right now is we are spending way too much money to chase insignificant amounts of pollution . For example , banning natural gas stoves , gas lawnmowers etc . Also , this administration’s agenda is electric all the way , and right now the means , no matter who they effect and cause difficulty , justify the end result . Ca just hopes you will just get rid of your diesel , your motorhome , 2 stroke powered whatever , they don’t care . Certain countries like India , China etc , negate in 1 day what it takes us to accomplish in 1 year , in terms of pollution reduction . We’re on the right track , but we can’t economically achieve it over night .

 

[evantwheeler]

Doesn't the law in CA say if you move a vehicle into the state you have a couple weeks to register it? Having a Montana LLC circumvents that? I remember my neighbors would have AZ plated cars and if they were around too long they would get cited. I know police don't have time for that stuff nowadays but I assume there is a risk you will get caught?


Any vehicle owned by a nonresident and furnished to a California resident for their regular use within this state must be registered in California within 20 days after first operation of the vehicle in this state by the resident (CVC §4000.4).


My neighbor has a couple cars, truck and a big ass trailer all with Montana plates parked across the street from me. But he actually used to live in Montana, LOL

https://www.reddit.com/r/askcarguys/comments/18qr83n

I think the state primarily relies on neighborhood Narcs to rat these people out. I know multiple folks with out of state plates (and DL's) to circumvent the CA bullshit. Never have had an issue. I think as long as your DL matches the state on the plate, or at least isnt CA, you're fine as far as a traffic stop goes.

As we all saw during covid, many citizens cannot wait to use the power the government gives them over their neighbors, choose your neighbors wisely.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Fuck CARB!!

Those appointed officials have WAYYYY too much power and they need to be dismantled.

Can you say chervron defense

 

[c_land]

I think the state primarily relies on neighborhood Narcs to rat these people out. I know multiple folks with out of state plates (and DL's) to circumvent the CA bullshit. Never have had an issue. I think as long as your DL matches the state on the plate, or at least isnt CA, you're fine as far as a traffic stop goes.

As we all saw during covid, many citizens cannot wait to use the power the government gives them over their neighbors, choose your neighbors wisely.

They use the license plate readers for it now too. A friend of mine got pulled over with AZ plates in CA and the CHP had access to each time his plate had been read in CA.

Almost 0 privacy in public any more.

 

[Singleton]

I think the state primarily relies on neighborhood Narcs to rat these people out. I know multiple folks with out of state plates (and DL's) to circumvent the CA bullshit. Never have had an issue. I think as long as your DL matches the state on the plate, or at least isnt CA, you're fine as far as a traffic stop goes.

As we all saw during covid, many citizens cannot wait to use the power the government gives them over their neighbors, choose your neighbors wisely.

When using a Montana LLC, the named officers of the LLC can drive LLC property no matter where their DL is from. A CA DL and a named officer of the LLC, you are good to do.

Where folks start having issues. Vehicle is registered in another state and DL is CA.

Then you get into snowbird laws.
Example; if your RV spends 6 months or more in New Mexico, but you live in CA, New Mexico wants your RV registered in NM. Ca does not like this, but …………

 

[Singleton]

They use the license plate readers for it now too. A friend of mine got pulled over with AZ plates in CA and the CHP had access to each time his plate had been read in CA.

Almost 0 privacy in public any more.

Yep. Those agriculture inspections are really LP readers
Avoid those and your good to go