California infringes again

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-appeals-court-allows-california-bar-guns-most-public-places-2023-12-30/

My favorite part is you can only carry guns in a place that states you can carry a gun…

 

[rrrr]

The 9th Circuit Court is a joke.

 

[Desert Whaler]

I saw that earlier today ….
Hypothetical question … if SB2 goes into effect Jan. 1st …. What would be a bigger crime … carrying in a ‘Sensitive Area’ with a CCW permit, or carrying without one ?

I mean it is CA after all …. I wouldn’t be surprised if a permit holder got dinged harder.

I tell you … they’re slowly but surely dismantling this state bit by bit.

 

[ChumpChange]

So let’s give the bad guys a more in depth list of where to go….

Under California's new law, people could not carry concealed guns in 26 categories of "sensitive places" including hospitals, playgrounds, stadiums, zoos and places of worship, regardless of whether they had permits to carry concealed weapons.

I know plenty of people carrying at my church. Glad they are.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

So let’s give the bad guys a more in depth list of where to go….



I know plenty of people carrying at my church. Glad they are.

They have church security certs for a reason….it’s one of the places people should be carrying.

 

[Lumpy]

Well a few of us here on RDP…

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[aka619er]

Immediately drop your pants and take a dump. Then you'll be free.

 

[brianwhiteboy]

Status quo for me. Stupid f’n California.

 

[Lumpy]

Hell, its easier to post Gummies than memes…whats the world coming to?

 

[jet496]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-appeals-court-allows-california-bar-guns-most-public-places-2023-12-30/

My favorite part is you can only carry guns in a place that states you can carry a gun…

Yup, so robbers know to not bother with that one. You watch, now criminals will sue if they get shot but the victim, or whoever. because they weren't supposed to have the weapon on them.

 

[77charger]

It hey it’s a great day in ca and you can
Surf and get half way to mtn to
Ski in the same day lol

 

[TimeBandit]

2028 brings the new law, no semi-automatic pistol sales unless it performs microstamping.

No sales, no transfers, no glocks.

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[rivrrts429]

It’ll never hold up when it gets to the Supreme Court. A bunch of pussies afraid of law-abiding citizens carrying in these places. Imagine being afraid of good citizens but not worried about societies shitbags? Fucking clown world

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You guys are going to trigger the Weather Crusaders again with this kind of talk.

You guys are getting exactly what you voted for.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

You guys are going to trigger the Weather Crusaders again with this kind of talk.

You guys are getting exactly what you voted for.

That’s not fair. Us elephants are shouting into a Blue Tornado, and getting drowned out. Not everyone voted for this shit, we are just the vocal minority. We’d have our own special interest group if it wasn’t going to be immediately branded as racist and bigoted and canceled.

 

[77charger]

It’ll never hold up when it gets to the Supreme Court. A bunch of pussies afraid of law-abiding citizens carrying in these places. Imagine being afraid of good citizens but not worried about societies shitbags? Fucking clown world

Problem is ca don’t care what courts say. They will immediately propose a new law after getting struck down which is the same thing minus one or two things. It becomes law gets challenged but can remain. Look at mag ban or aw ban still in courts.

Like mentioned they pulled the micro stamping to keep roster but come 2028 the microstamping is back again.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Problem is ca don’t care what courts say. They will immediately propose a new law after getting struck down which is the same thing minus one or two things. It becomes law gets challenged but can remain. Look at mag ban or aw ban still in courts.

Like mentioned they pulled the micro stamping to keep roster but come 2028 the microstamping is back again.

100%. They’ll tweak it and shove it through again. It’s a constant battle

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That’s not fair. Us elephants are shouting into a Blue Tornado, and getting drowned out. Not everyone voted for this shit, we are just the vocal minority. We’d have our own special interest group if it wasn’t going to be immediately branded as racist and bigoted and canceled.

It is fair, we all let it happen over decades by not holding elected officials accountable.

Now you are screaming into a Democrat supermajority that priorities straws, cow farts, and criminals over tax paying citizens.

Everyone including me just sat around saying how great the weather was while the place is being hollowed out from the inside, and now you have a Democrat supermajority of idiots that can vote in anything they want, and wants to run every aspect of your life.

The Democrat supermajority in CA has existed since 2016, and Democrats have had the majority since 1996. The people of the state can’t get their heads out of their asses long enough to a least turn a couple districts red again to perhaps at least break the supermajority. No instead it went even more blue.

CA has the highest concentration of low information voters in the country. The situation is literally unfixable for at least 25 years, and that if the pendulum started swinging back today, but it is still swinging left.

Yea there are good people there, and it sucks for those that can’t leave. But everyone that lived there played a part in thr decline, either actively, or by being complacent 15-20 years ago.

 

[n2otoofast4u]

It’s concealed for a reason. Keep it concealed and nobody is any the wiser.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It’s concealed for a reason. Keep it concealed and nobody is any the wiser.

That true in CA for dicks, not for guns.

 

[PlanB]

2028 brings the new law, no semi-automatic pistol sales unless it performs microstamping.

No sales, no transfers, no glocks.

California Introduces First-in-Nation Firearm Taxation and Microstamping Law | True Shot Ammo

Today, we are exploring as California introduces the first-in-nation firearms tax and microstamping law.

trueshotammo.com

Microstamping was already determined to be an unconstitutional requirement because the technology does not exist. It's the reason new guns have recently been added to the roster. California will keep pushing their bullshit though.

 

[77charger]

100%. They’ll tweak it and shove it through again. It’s a constant battle

Yup restart the process ca lawmakers know this and know how to use the courts and defy them. I laugh at the ones who think the mag ban is going away anytime and the roster but like shown hasn’t really happened. We’ll roster kind of skipped a little but like said it’s repeat in 4 years and not all manufacturers are bothering complying.

 

[rivrrts429]

Problem is ca don’t care what courts say. They will immediately propose a new law after getting struck down which is the same thing minus one or two things. It becomes law gets challenged but can remain. Look at mag ban or aw ban still in courts.

Like mentioned they pulled the micro stamping to keep roster but come 2028 the microstamping is back again.

I don’t disagree but issues like this will always be challenged by the state. That’s when it’s critical we remind the state that they work for us and not the other way around.

I get what you’re saying but I’m one of those that refuses to give them an inch. This state will be nothing more than lemmings if people fold and look the other way. We’re already half way there.

 

[welldigger00]

Don’t worry so much about California fellas. After November all of us are fucked.

 

[BHC Vic]

I saw that earlier today ….
Hypothetical question … if SB2 goes into effect Jan. 1st …. What would be a bigger crime … carrying in a ‘Sensitive Area’ with a CCW permit, or carrying without one ?

I mean it is CA after all …. I wouldn’t be surprised if a permit holder got dinged harder.

I tell you … they’re slowly but surely dismantling this state bit by bit.

From all the training and classes I’ve done it almost seems like having the permit means you’re going to get in more trouble. Because you know better and you’ve had training. That’s kind of what I took from my last ccw class. It’s almost easier to not have one and just play dumb.

 

[BHC Vic]

They have church security certs for a reason….it’s one of the places people should be carrying.

We have a very heavily armed security team. We’ve talked about that. If something were to happen it’s Norco and we know there’s a high percent of people carrying. We also want them to let security do what security is trained to do. The last thing we need is everyone pulling out guns and shooting. We watched the Texas church shooting and that’s one of the things our lead touched on first. Look how many people draw. That’s a huge potential for more accidental injuries. I’m not leo but I train with those guys a lot. I’m no where near as good as them. Just trying to qualify the way the do is tough. Shooting while moving, shooting and dropping to a knee, compromised shooting with one arm. Compromised shooting with your other arm. Clearing a jam with one arm, reloading with one arm. At one point I was racking the slide with my belt. It was crazy for someone like me with no experience. A new level of respect for the training these guys do.

Bob our lead is lapd over 30 years. He asked what I carry and I told him an xds .45. He said a 45 man I like it what’s you secondary. I paused and said I always have a knife on me. He smiled and said caring one is like carrying none. He’s also big on always caring two extra mags. Me more because i shoot a single stack that only holds 7.

 

[Andy B.]

Don’t worry so much about California fellas. After November all of us are fucked.

I am still hoping Carrie Lake wins at the Supreme Court, we'll have a chance then. Just hoping it happens soon enough to matter.

 

[LazyLavey]

It hey it’s a great day in ca and you can
Surf and get half way to mtn to
Ski in the same day lol

But you can't take your gun....lol

 

[dribble]

While I applauded the Bruen decision, I knew that (at least in the short term) it would be bad for those of us who live in counties where the Sheriff upholds the Constitution. This was nothing more than legislation by tantrum. It will be overturned as it strikes down the very core of the Second Amendment. I’m thankful that Trump had the opportunity to fill some vacancies on the SCOTUS. They started this with Bruen. They will have the last word.

 

[77charger]

But you can't take your gun....lol

I’m in az so yeh.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

We have a very heavily armed security team. We’ve talked about that. If something were to happen it’s Norco and we know there’s a high percent of people carrying. We also want them to let security do what security is trained to do. The last thing we need is everyone pulling out guns and shooting. We watched the Texas church shooting and that’s one of the things our lead touched on first. Look how many people draw. That’s a huge potential for more accidental injuries. I’m not leo but I train with those guys a lot. I’m no where near as good as them. Just trying to qualify the way the do is tough. Shooting while moving, shooting and dropping to a knee, compromised shooting with one arm. Compromised shooting with your other arm. Clearing a jam with one arm, reloading with one arm. At one point I was racking the slide with my belt. It was crazy for someone like me with no experience. A new level of respect for the training these guys do.

Bob our lead is lapd over 30 years. He asked what I carry and I told him an xds .45. He said a 45 man I like it what’s you secondary. I paused and said I always have a knife on me. He smiled and said caring one is like carrying none. He’s also big on always caring two extra mags. Me more because i shoot a single stack that only holds 7.

Personally, I’m not putting my safety nor my family’s safety in someone else's hands. They will not have me and my family as a priority. I have a lot of LEO friends and the training the departments give them is trash compared to what I do…and it sounds like what you may do. It’s basically, here is a box of ammo, go qual. Doesn’t sound like that’s what your guys do, but it would be a mistake to think that’s the normal training for LEOs.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Personally, I’m not putting my safety nor my family’s safety in someone else's hands. They will not have me and my family as a priority. I have a lot of LEO friends and the training the departments give them is trash compared to what I do…and it sounds like what you may do. It’s basically, here is a box of ammo, go qual. Doesn’t sound like that’s what your guys do, but it would be a mistake to think that’s the normal training for LEOs.

This. The OCSD guys I know are trained exactly like that - Here’s yore ammo, don’t ask for any extra .

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

This. The OCSD guys I know are trained exactly like that - Here’s yore ammo, don’t ask for any extra .

One of my buddies mentioned is OCSD, and that’s exactly right. He does sign up for additional training but it’s not mandatory and not a baseline for the rest of the deputies. At least OCSD has the opportunity. Some small depts don’t even have an option.

 

[BHC Vic]

Personally, I’m not putting my safety nor my family’s safety in someone else's hands. They will not have me and my family as a priority. I have a lot of LEO friends and the training the departments give them is trash compared to what I do…and it sounds like what you may do. It’s basically, here is a box of ammo, go qual. Doesn’t sound like that’s what your guys do, but it would be a mistake to think that’s the normal training for LEOs.

It’s less than what they do for swat training but very similar. I’m not putting my trust in someone else’s hands so I completely agree with you there but I’m not drawing my gun until it’s the very last option and one of my family members are in immediate danger. In all honesty with the training we do if someone is already in the 3rd ring, security has already kind of dropped the ball. Ring one is perimeter, 2 is entrance and 3 is the sanctuary. There’s just a lot of people in a church so unless I’m dropped on a knee and aiming upwards it’s a pretty dangerous situation. It’s scary. We even do training in the church with blank rds to get out adrenaline up and to see how loud and crazy things are going to be. Shooting a gun in a church without ear protection is gnarly. I’m actually very happy this is something my church has thought about, talks about, and trains for. If nothing more it makes me feel a little better living in this crazy world.

 

[BHC Vic]

One of my buddies mentioned is OCSD, and that’s exactly right. He does sign up for additional training but it’s not mandatory and not a baseline for the rest of the deputies. At least OCSD has the opportunity. Some small depts don’t even have an option.

That’s crazy! I had to qualify going through what I posted just to be able to work security. I think you had to score a minimum 380 but I could have that number wrong. I won’t lie I barely got it. I’ve gotten much better since but there’s a lot of truth in use it or lose it and that almost bit me in the ass. Everything we did was also timed so you factor that in and it ain’t too easy. Timed from pulling from the holster to getting off three rds. Not to make excuses but I was one of two using a .45. Follow up shots were tough it had me considering to switching to a 9

 

[PlanB]

^^^ I have an XDs-9 and an XDs-45. The .45 is a bitch to shoot. Small gun with a large caliber that makes follow up shots a lot harder. If I were you I would go with a larger frame gun if you want to stay with .45 or I would switch to 9mm. I have had light primer strikes with my XDs-9 though, so I would not recommend it.

As far as LEO training, I graduated from the SDPD academy 30 years ago. We did dynamic shooting with barriers, shooting and moving, room clearing, failure drills, offhand shooting, reloading and shooting with simulated injuries etc... We also had in service training available. Seeking out better training and keeping yourself and your weapon prepared if needed is always a good thing.

 

[76sanger]

With the number of illegals coming into this country daily, I'm carrying in whatever damn state I'm in, period!

 

[MPHSystems]

Sucks, I have done all the training and background checks and certifications and even carry $1m in insurance and with the stroke of a pen that fagot Newsome just revoked my CCW

no offense to homosexuals.

 

[Dunerking]

You guys are going to trigger the Weather Crusaders again with this kind of talk.

You guys are getting exactly what you voted for.

That lame ass blanket statement “you guys are getting exactly what you voted for” is worn out just as bad as “white privileged” or “racism”…ohhh yeah every California tax payer voted for this just like tax hikes,free medical to undocumented…I’m sure you can add many more..oh a let me tell the weather is golden! Lol stupid

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That lame ass blanket statement “you guys are getting exactly what you voted for” is worn out just as bad as “white privileged” or “racism”…ohhh yeah every California tax payer voted for this just like tax hikes,free medical to undocumented…I’m sure you can add many more..oh a let me tell the weather is golden! Lol stupid

What is stupid is you/we spent the last 4 decades getting what you voted for. You voted yourself into a position where your vote does not really matter. The Democrats can now pass whatever they want whenever they want. California IS the case study of the slippery slope of low information voters.

Who votes in these state reps and senators that make these laws? What is their turnover rate? Most term out after 12 years. Why do the same people keep getting voted in over and over if so many people are dissatisfied with the outcome?

 

[Dunerking]

I wish I could leave..unfortunately my career has me stuck here(for another 11 years). I guess I could send my family to another state and not be with them for a minimum of the week just to say I don’t live and vote for these laws. Does that make sense?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I wish I could leave..unfortunately my career has me stuck here(for another 11 years). I guess I could send my family to another state and not be with them for a minimum of the week just to say I don’t live and vote for these laws. Does that make sense?

That has nothing to do with the CA population voting themselves into this position over a series of decades. My parents, myself and millions of others didn’t do enough. We let it slip away through complacency. So yes, all of us got what we voted for. Shitty leaders and shitty outcomes.

The people still there that don’t agree have just embraced the decline to the point where they can leave or can’t take it anymore.

 

[4Waters]

From all the training and classes I’ve done it almost seems like having the permit means you’re going to get in more trouble. Because you know better and you’ve had training. That’s kind of what I took from my last ccw class. It’s almost easier to not have one and just play dumb.

Agreed but the problem is if you had a ccw in the past they will still argue that you had training at some point and should have known better. Current CCW holders are definitely in-between a rock and a hard place in California.

 

[Desert Whaler]

I'm glad I didn't get my CCW here in CA.
I started looking into it . . . then I couldn't get over all the hoops, . . . forms, fees, training req's, livescan, etc. . . . then 2-years later start over with more fee's, more req. training, more forms. And then it's prob. not a bad idea to at least consider CCW insurance.
It started to irritate me that something that 'shall not be infringed', couldn't be much more infringed.

 

[4Waters]

I'm glad I didn't get my CCW here in CA.
I started looking into it . . . then I couldn't get over all the hoops, . . . forms, fees, training req's, livescan, etc. . . . then 2-years later start over with more fee's, more req. training, more forms. And then it's prob. not a bad idea to at least consider CCW insurance.
It started to irritate me that something that 'shall not be infringed', couldn't be much more infringed.

The recert isn't bad, just the application and qualify but if you have a gun in the house for protection then you should have insurance, you do not need a CCW to have insurance. It's highly recommended gun owners have the insurance regardless of a CCW.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The recert isn't bad, just the application and qualify but if you have a gun in the house for protection then you should have insurance, you do not need a CCW to have insurance. It's highly recommended gun owners have the insurance regardless of a CCW.

This.

 

[Lumpy]

We voted are selves here? What a bullshit statement. The reality is the demographics have changed in a huge way. California was once one of the most conservative states in the union…what happened? The WW2 Gen died off and the baby brats(boomers) took over coupled with all of the illegals. Im 55, born and raised here in California and voted since I was 18. Ive watched this bullshit happen over the decades. Soon as my son gets finished with college Im selling my business and getting the hell out of here. Lucky I live in the last great place in California…Central Coast…but Im watching it decline slowly as well.

 

[4Waters]

We voted are selves here? What a bullshit statement. The reality is the demographics have changed in a huge way. California was once one of the most conservative states in the union…what happened? The WW2 Gen died off and the baby brats(boomers) took over coupled with all of the illegals. Im 55, born and raised here in California and voted since I was 18. Ive watched this bullshit happen over the decades. Soon as my son gets finished with college Im selling my business and getting the hell out of here. Lucky I live in the last great place in California…Central Coast…but Im watching it decline slowly as well.

There's no "we" here. Lol

 

[Not So Fast]

And didnt I hear correctly that the Guv was granting free health care to 700,000 immigrants (illegals) so if thats true where will payment for their care come from I wonder cause from what Ive herad the state is broke big time, like 63 billion dollars worth Im wondering if taxes will go up to offset this, hmmm

 

[HB2Havasu]

It’ll never hold up when it gets to the Supreme Court. A bunch of pussies afraid of law-abiding citizens carrying in these places. Imagine being afraid of good citizens but not worried about societies shitbags? Fucking clown world

The Dems know this. However, they also know it will take 5-10 years to make it to SCOTUS.