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I added a lot to my post.. please reread

Since any conservative opinions get you vacationed or banned from other major sites the users here might also post to (FB for example), it's not surprising the discussions surrounding this culture war spill over to places like RDP or other sites that are within that type of genre. Just an observation.
 

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Actually I can say without a shadow of a doubt a lot of them did call for the vp’s public firing, and voiced their displeasure..
Glad to hear that. The distributors outside of the metropolitan areas have got to be hurting like a mofo.

Hard to stand up to the corporate goliath when they can kick your ass to the side and have 50 other outfits ready to take your place.
 

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LOL, latest news is now the alphabet crowd is boycotting bud light for not supporting them more. This is epic.

See what I’m saying? The culture war without a strategy or consistent thought process is just anarchy..

If any loud mouth in this thread really wants to make a difference I’ll happily sit down and strategize with them.

I own a ton of domains just sitting there waiting for that opportunity including “fundthered.com” and many others.. my expectations is other than Tommy most wouldn’t..

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Actually I can say without a shadow of a doubt a lot of them did call for the vp’s public firing, and voiced their displeasure directly to AB. Shit the one guy I know personally owns quite a few distributors, and he was anything but silent about it.
I'm assuming Distributors have little or no say or recourse when a parent company makes decisions that crater their business?
 

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See what I’m saying? The culture war without a strategy or consistent thought process is just anarchy..

If any loud mouth in this thread really wants to make a difference I’ll happily sit down and strategize with them.

I own a ton of domains just sitting there waiting for that opportunity including “fundthered.com” and many others.. my expectations is other than Tommy most wouldn’t..

RD

The thing is, this boycott actually did, and is working. Do you not think there are a ton of other companies watching this go down and having meetings? basically saying "We aren't touching that topic with a 10 foot pole, it's the 3rd fuckin rail"

And to be fair, it's not only bud light doing this, there are actually way worse examples of woke-vertising. Bud Light just took the perfect storm of timing, people being sick and tired of being clubbed over the head with trans stuff, between the men competing in women's sports and kids being transistioned, Mulvaneys audience being mainly kids, and their product being a male blue collar brand.

It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

A huge amount of the consumer base is tired of being preached to at every single turn, every single product, Bud Light is taking the brunt of that pent up frustration.

I'm a Coors guy so don't blame me 🤣 I can't stop buying what i never bought
 

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Since any conservative opinions get you vacationed or banned from other major sites the users here might also post to (FB for example), it's not surprising the discussions surrounding this culture war spill over to places like RDP or other sites that are within that type of genre. Just an observation.

Were you not here when rdp got silenced? When my trump parade video went from 800k to less than 400k on view counts.. when none of the YouTube vids on one of the most popular boating websites could even break 300? When we had our attacks on the website and no matter what I did it didn’t seem To matter how much money I was willing to spend. When some crazed blm guy called all my advertisers and a popular blm guy called me and recorded the call putting it on all their sites.. when a couple of their guys made the mistake of coming to my house in the middle of the night and on and on..

These people are the same talking out one side of their mouths, but none offered any solutions or help when I’m getting crucified?

I’ll publicly say I’m down to fight for what’s right. I’ll admit I have ties to my local distributor for AB and don’t understand why they are the mascot when many others are doing much worse..

I’m willing to step up! But I don’t remember any of them being at the conservative rallies out here.. I’d love to see their receipts of what they have donated to conservative causes or political campaigns.. I’d love to see anything.

Them posting shit on a website that is literally an echo chamber (we are 99.99999% conservative) you SBR affecting change in any meaningful manner. It’s a joke.

I’d tell all of them step up! I’ll do it with ya! But as I have found out not many actually will.

I’d love to talk to some of these guys in person and say so I’m making all this money on AB?

I guarantee I’m the only guy in this thread that had an unlimited supply of AB for years and actually told them that I didn’t want it anymore! That was years ago.. you know me Shane, how much do you honestly think I’d bend my principles for any reason.. honestly.
 

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Were you not here when rdp got silenced? When my trump parade video went from 800k to less than 400k on view counts.. when none of the YouTube vids on one of the most popular boating websites could even break 300? When we had our attacks on the website and no matter what I did it didn’t seem To matter how much money I was willing to spend. When some crazed blm guy called all my advertisers and a popular blm guy called me and recorded the call putting it on all their sites.. when a couple of their guys made the mistake of coming to my house in the middle of the night and on and on..

These people are the same talking out one side of their mouths, but none offered any solutions or help when I’m getting crucified?

I’ll publicly say I’m down to fight for what’s right. I’ll admit I have ties to my local distributor for AB and don’t understand why they are the mascot when many others are doing much worse..

I’m willing to step up! But I don’t remember any of them being at the conservative rallies out here.. I’d love to see their receipts of what they have donated to conservative causes or political campaigns.. I’d love to see anything.

Them posting shit on a website that is literally an echo chamber (we are 99.99999% conservative) you SBR affecting change in any meaningful manner. It’s a joke.

I’d tell all of them step up! I’ll do it with ya! But as I have found out not many actually will.

I’d love to talk to some of these guys in person and say so I’m making all this money on AB?

I guarantee I’m the only guy in this thread that had an unlimited supply of AB for years and actually told them that I didn’t want it anymore! That was years ago.. you know me Shane, how much do you honestly think I’d bend my principles for any reason.. honestly.

I don't think, nor ever said you were bending your principles. Other than jokes my posts on this topic have mainly been general observations. I never accused you of being a sell out on this.

Like i just posted Bud light got the straw that broke the camel's back, they are the one's carrying the burden of this, the only positive to come of it is other companies are sure as hell going to be thinking of this when some fresh college marketing greenie tries to send them down the same path.
 

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The thing is, this boycott actually did, and is working. Do you not think there are a ton of other companies watching this go down and having meetings? basically saying "We aren't touching that topic with a 10 foot pole, it's the 3rd fuckin rail"

And to be fair, it's not only bud light doing this, there are actually way worse examples of woke-vertising. Bud Light just took the perfect storm of timing, people being sick and tired of being clubbed over the head with trans stuff, between the men competing in women's sports and kids being transistioned, Mulvaneys audience being mainly kids, and their product being a male blue collar brand.

It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

A huge amount of the consumer base is tired of being preached to at every single turn, every single product, Bud Light is taking the brunt of that pent up frustration.

I'm a Coors guy so don't blame me 🤣 I can't stop buying what i never bought

Looks like Smirnoff might have missed that memo...

Gonna be more than an eight second ride from here on our that's for Damm sure.
 

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Looks like Smirnoff might have missed that memo...

Gonna be more than an eight second ride from here on our that's for Damm sure.

That person only has 9k followers, not millions, so extremely obscure, and i dont see anything aftert Bud Light / Mulvaneygate.... So this partnership seems to have been prior to the shit storm?
 

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Were you not here when rdp got silenced? When my trump parade video went from 800k to less than 400k on view counts.. when none of the YouTube vids on one of the most popular boating websites could even break 300? When we had our attacks on the website and no matter what I did it didn’t seem To matter how much money I was willing to spend. When some crazed blm guy called all my advertisers and a popular blm guy called me and recorded the call putting it on all their sites.. when a couple of their guys made the mistake of coming to my house in the middle of the night and on and on..

I guarantee I’m the only guy in this thread that had an unlimited supply of AB for years and actually told them that I didn’t want it anymore! That was years ago.. you know me Shane, how much do you honestly think I’d bend my principles for any reason.. honestly.
Dave. I do not remember ( which doesn’t mean a damn thing) you being silenced or hearing of what you said in the first paragraph. That is fucked up on so many levels. Maybe I just missed that or those threads.

And NO. Even though I’ve met you in person once at a boat show for about 10 seconds …..over 15 years on your site I’d say your principles are pretty damn solid.

That said. I don’t have friends who are distributors or sponsor for my events. So I concede you are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard spot in a way.

The straw that broke the camel’s back is the best way to put. And yes I agree with you. There are other companies out there pushing this agenda on far bigger level. Our government especially
 

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That person only has 9k followers, not millions, so extremely obscure, and i dont see anything aftert Bud Light / Mulvaneygate.... So this partnership seems to have been prior to the shit storm?

Honestly I have no clue about anything you just mentioned.

I did just read this though, so who knows what's real and what's not, but the damage control machine didn't seem to waste anytime on this one!

🤣

Smirnoff has denied having any working relationship with LaQueene. In an email to Fox News Digital, a representative said LaQueene "is not currently a Smirnoff partner, and does not currently have any contract with Smirnoff."
 

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Did you take the time to read ABs positions on ESG and DEI?

If you did and took off your bias goggles, you’d see this situation and the BS scapegoating from AB for what it is.

Here’s a spoiler alert Dave

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It was just one can, and 2 people in marketing and the CEO knows nothing, right Dave?
Did you actually read the AB InBev ESG report published.
I did and it is not the BS you are pushing. Take the time to read the 106 page report or the executive summary. AB is more focused on environmental items then the social stuff.

End of day the BL Brand VP of Marketing had approval for a social media campaign and her team member picked someone that alienated consumers for the first release. Was it done by chance or to make a point. After listening to the VP’s interview, it was done to make a point. Did executives at corporate have knowledge, no one on this forum will know that answer. I can tell you that the brand VP on leave is at least 6 levels from the CMO. So my guts says the C-Suite had no idea WTF occurred, until shit hit the fan.

The downstream impact of those decisions, hurts distributors and their employees (separate from AB). I think that is what @RiverDave is trying to say. RD wants members to support those businesses that support boating. Problem is, it is very difficult to separate support for those business from AB. Most likely 90% of AB and AB distributors are not happy about the decision a bland level VP of Marketing made. That decision has F’d those people dependent on selling AB products (once again most are not AB employees), but no one associated with AB can say that (the 1% that the marketing effort was focused on, causes more issues).

end of day - everyone can decide what businesses they support.
Do I think AB is trying to push an agenda = NO
Do I think a brand level VP of marketing was trying to push an agenda = YES
Will I buy another BL = Not likely.
Will I buy a different AB brand = yes, I like Kona
Do I think Romer‘s business has been impacted = YES (which could impact future Havasu boating events)
 

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Smirnoff website is all over it but FB, Instagram and Twitter look very cleaned up.
 

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Did you actually read the AB InBev ESG report published.
I did and it is not the BS you are pushing. Take the time to read the 106 page report or the executive summary. AB is more focused on environmental items then the social stuff.

End of day the BL Brand VP of Marketing had approval for a social media campaign and her team member picked someone that alienated consumers for the first release. Was it done by chance or to make a point. After listening to the VP’s interview, it was done to make a point. Did executives at corporate have knowledge, no one on this forum will know that answer. I can tell you that the brand VP on leave is at least 6 levels from the CMO. So my guts says the C-Suite had no idea WTF occurred, until shit hit the fan.

The downstream impact of those decisions, hurts distributors and their employees (separate from AB). I think that is what @RiverDave is trying to say. RD wants members to support those businesses that support boating. Problem is, it is very difficult to separate support for those business from AB. Most likely 90% of AB and AB distributors are not happy about the decision a bland level VP of Marketing made. That decision has F’d those people dependent on selling AB products (once again most are not AB employees), but no one associated with AB can say that (the 1% that the marketing effort was focused on, causes more issues).

end of day - everyone can decide what businesses they support.
Do I think AB is trying to push an agenda = NO
Do I think a brand level VP of marketing was trying to push an agenda = YES
Will I buy another BL = Not likely.
Will I buy a different AB brand = yes, I like Kona
Do I think Romer‘s business has been impacted = YES (which could impact future Havasu boating events)

I read it. Why do you think I’ve been asking If RD read it. There is plenty of social stuff in it. Is it their main focus? No, but it is there. The screenshot is just the tip of the iceberg.

The C Suite didn’t know about this specific campaign. There were more than 2 people that knew about this campaign. I assure you the 2 people didn’t sign
Dylan’s check. You and I both know this and that the “ 2 people” line is BS. The people above the marketing VP knew what they were getting when they hired her. Plus she did public interviews before this debacle.

Lessons are not free. Maybe these partners and distributors should also advocate their displeasure with the cavalier actions of the marketing department. Because if everyone bends a knee because it might hurt the little guy, nothing gets done. If some money is lost, you can bet they will not do anything to alienate their customer base.

Again, no one was here crying about the little guy when everyone was onboard boycotting Nike, NFL or the NBA.

Romer is getting free beer as a consolation prize. That free beer won’t be passed on to you or me.

AB is going to be fine and you proved the point I laid out pages ago. You went from BL to a more expensive AB product.. InBev wins. I don’t drink BL, but I’m drinking another AB product that costs more.

BL share will be mostly back by fall. Judging the fate of BL by the shelves in Lake Havasu is fallacy.

All the boating events are still going to happen. Let’s not cry for Argentina yet 🤣.
 
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Accidentally walked by a bud light display. And well since being any where near that stuff supposedly messes with you I needed to counter act it just incase. This American enough? 🤣🤣🤣
 

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Yet he was drinkin beers next to ru Paul the most famous drag queen in the world earlier..

This is what I’m asking.. is he ok with drag but not tranny? Is he mad because it was this tranny?

Where is the line right now, because it’s kind of all over the board?

We hate all trannys? Well except the one with a k boat..

We hate all gays?? Well except that most of us have gay friends that don’t support woke causes so they are ok..

We hate all drag queens?? Well except the ones that tank and I goto their bar and he has them stay at his house..

I’d get on board with the idea that I don’t give a rats ass what anyone does as an adult l, but can we keep it out of schools and kids?

I’d get on board that if you want america to “look like america” as Biden says.. why are all tv commercials and shows promoting small %’s of the population as the only thing that exists?

I’d get on board with equal rights NOT SPECIAL RIGHTS..

I’d also get on board with making ESG and this DEI thing completely illegal.

If we are being honest though I’d get on board with a lot of things, I could never say in polite company.. I weep for our future, and I question as a whole of this ship we are on could ever be righted..

Here’s a real Question though is the lounge of rdp the last place on the internet to do it? Are we actually going to solve any problems by bitching about it on here?

Or are taking a site that is designed to let people escape from work for a few minutes a day to share and enjoy custom builds and vacation trips and turning it into the last stand.. lol. And if so what would we accomplish?

Large orange font and was that guy and Danger Dave didn’t get target by BLM.. I did..

None of those guys got targeted by special interest groups.. I did..

None of them got shadow banned by google and YouTube to “teach me a lesson”. I did..

So I question in their Nobel efforts of supposedly standing up for their beliefs (by posting on a message board about good times) what did any of them really accomplish other than making themselves feel good while I take the hits?

Why don’t some of you guys riddle me that.

RD

Dave, you are the one with the website and platform. You put yourself out there, and you got targeted.

If you want to send the RDP revenue over to me, I’ll take the hits for you :) We are in a culture war. You are an online target. Wars have casualties. AB is a casualty of a culture war.

We have expressed many times why people are angry over this. It has to do with everything you said, and as @Racey pointed out, this was the straw that broke the camel’s back. AB got caught in the crosshairs on this one.

I’ve said for years nothing is going to get accomplished here on this site. Frankly nothing is going to get solved bitching on any social media platform.

You are basically telling people to abandon their principles and stop being pissed off at AB because there are bigger targets I guess? Because you know someone that might be impacted? That is not a reason someone is going to abandon their position. You don’t have a monopoly on principles or sticking to them. It seems that some people are just as grounded in their principles as you are, and just don’t have the same personal connection.
 
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I read it. Why do you think I’ve been asking If RD read it. There is plenty of social stuff in it. Is it their main focus? No, but it is there. The screenshot is just the tip of the iceberg.

The C Suite didn’t know about this specific campaign. There were more than 2 people that knew about this campaign. I assure you the 2 people didn’t sign
Dylan’s check. You and I both know this and that the “ 2 people” line is BS. The people above the marketing VP knew what they were getting when they hired her. Plus she did public interviews before this debacle.

Lessons are not free. Maybe these partners and distributors should also advocate their displeasure with the cavalier actions of the marketing department. Because if everyone bends a knee because it might hurt the little guy, nothing gets done. If some money is lost, you can bet they will not do anything to alienate their customer base.

Again, no one was here crying about the little guy when everyone was onboard boycotting Nike, NFL or the NBA.

Romer is getting free beer as a consolation prize. That free beer won’t be passed on to you or me.

AB is going to be fine and you proved the point I laid out pages ago. You went from BL to a more expensive AB product.. InBev wins. I don’t drink BL, but I’m drinking another AB product that costs more.

BL share will be mostly back by fall. Judging the fate of BL by the shelves in Lake Havasu is fallacy.

All the boating events are still going to happen. Let’s not cry for Argentina yet 🤣.
She had sole discretion and approval over the BL Super Bowl commercials.
She controlled the marketing budget for BL in North America
Those in her management chain, knew she was going to do a social influencer marketing activities during March Madness
Those above her did not know WHO was getting selected to be in influencer

I deal with companies and ESG almost daily, most are not pushing an agenda, they are checking boxes
 

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She had sole discretion and approval over the BL Super Bowl commercials.
She controlled the marketing budget for BL in North America
Those in her management chain, knew she was going to do a social influencer marketing activities during March Madness
Those above her did not know WHO was getting selected to be in influencer

I deal with companies and ESG almost daily, most are not pushing an agenda, they are checking boxes

I deal with companies and ESG almost daily too. 😉

You are reinforcing what I’ve said many times. This was part of a campaign that many were aware of. These campaigns are part of their box checking ESG/DEI targets.

So as you rightly pointed out, the targeted advertising activities were on the radar of more than just 2 people.

She simply checked one box too many.

I’m glad we are in agreement.

Question for the group -

If this woman was solely responsible for all North American marketing and advertising.

Yet she is now been dismissed as some misguided woke chick in marketing that snuck this in under everyone’s noses.

Do you buy that? 🤣

I can tell you she won’t be fired without a generous payout.
 
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I deal with companies and ESG almost daily too. 😉

You are reinforcing what I’ve said many times. This was part of a campaign that many were aware of. These campaigns are part of their box checking ESG/DEI targets.

So as you rightly pointed out, the targeted advertising activities were on the radar of more than just 2 people.

She simply checked one box too many.

I’m glad we are in agreement.

Question for the group -

If this woman was solely responsible for all North American marketing and advertising.

Yet she is now been dismissed as some misguided woke chick in marketing that snuck this in under everyone’s noses.

Do you buy that? 🤣

I can tell you she won’t be fired without a generous payout.

What you HIRE vs what you GET are 2 different things. She checked the female FTE box. Before she locked her LinkedIn, her marketing activities were solid. She was with the company for 6 months. 100% she goes down as a BAD HIRE and AB will promote from within vs hiring external for positions that have customer interactions
 

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Yet he was drinkin beers next to ru Paul the most famous drag queen in the world earlier..

This is what I’m asking.. is he ok with drag but not tranny? Is he mad because it was this tranny?

Where is the line right now, because it’s kind of all over the board?

We hate all trannys? Well except the one with a k boat..

We hate all gays?? Well except that most of us have gay friends that don’t support woke causes so they are ok..

We hate all drag queens?? Well except the ones that tank and I goto their bar and he has them stay at his house..

I’d get on board with the idea that I don’t give a rats ass what anyone does as an adult l, but can we keep it out of schools and kids?

I’d get on board that if you want america to “look like america” as Biden says.. why are all tv commercials and shows promoting small %’s of the population as the only thing that exists?

I’d get on board with equal rights NOT SPECIAL RIGHTS..

I’d also get on board with making ESG and this DEI thing completely illegal.

If we are being honest though I’d get on board with a lot of things, I could never say in polite company.. I weep for our future, and I question as a whole of this ship we are on could ever be righted..

Here’s a real Question though is the lounge of rdp the last place on the internet to do it? Are we actually going to solve any problems by bitching about it on here?

Or are taking a site that is designed to let people escape from work for a few minutes a day to share and enjoy custom builds and vacation trips and turning it into the last stand.. lol. And if so what would we accomplish?

Large orange font and was that guy and Danger Dave didn’t get target by BLM.. I did..

None of those guys got targeted by special interest groups.. I did..

None of them got shadow banned by google and YouTube to “teach me a lesson”. I did..

So I question in their Nobel efforts of supposedly standing up for their beliefs (by posting on a message board about good times) what did any of them really accomplish other than making themselves feel good while I take the hits?

Why don’t some of you guys riddle me that.

RD
Well, I don’t actually advertise EVERYTHING I do, believe it or not.
Especially here.
I thought that was obvious, given my so called paranoia?
 

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What you HIRE vs what you GET are 2 different things. She checked the female FTE box. Before she locked her LinkedIn, her marketing activities were solid. She was with the company for 6 months. 100% she goes down as a BAD HIRE and AB will promote from within vs hiring external for positions that have customer interactions

So what you are saying is that she was a DEI/ESG hire. 🤣

Like I said.. DEI and ESG starts at the top.
 

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Was just at the liquor store near my house in HB.
Asked the guy, "Are you seeing any of this Bud Light protest"???
He said, "We almost can't give it away . . . everyone went from Bud to Coors, and now our Coors order is backordered over 2-weeks".
 

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2 things
First, I don’t know Dana personally, but it kinda pisses me off when an innocent bystander gets dragged into a he said, she said fight. Many people just want to do what they want to do, without approval from the masses, and try to blend in while they are doing what they want to do. Judge each individualy by their actions, nothing else.
Second, approaching this from a slightly different angle. All InBev had to do was take responsibility, appoligize from the top, and move on. Most are pissed because we’ve all seen someone in charge make a huge mistake, then deflect, sluffiing their overall responsibility for the entire organization. President of an organization is responsible for everything - that’s why corporate hiring policies are so important. I, and others, don’t want to hear excuses, we just want the sinscere apology, but in AB / InBevs situa, their egos won allow them to do to right thing - Dave, THATS what all the anger is about. I don’t drink enough beer to matter, but I’ll never drink another InBev product- I’ll always have another choice. Even FREE doesn’t help, some of us have standards that can’t be bought ( mostly the old decreped like me ).
 

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2 things
First, I don’t know Dana personally, but it kinda pisses me off when an innocent bystander gets dragged into a he said, she said fight. Many people just want to do what they want to do, without approval from the masses, and try to blend in while they are doing what they want to do. Judge each individualy by their actions, nothing else.
Second, approaching this from a slightly different angle. All InBev had to do was take responsibility, appoligize from the top, and move on. Most are pissed because we’ve all seen someone in charge make a huge mistake, then deflect, sluffiing their overall responsibility for the entire organization. President of an organization is responsible for everything - that’s why corporate hiring policies are so important. I, and others, don’t want to hear excuses, we just want the sinscere apology, but in AB / InBevs situa, their egos won allow them to do to right thing - Dave, THATS what all the anger is about. I don’t drink enough beer to matter, but I’ll never drink another InBev product- I’ll always have another choice. Even FREE doesn’t help, some of us have standards that can’t be bought ( mostly the old decreped like me ).

This x 1000.

They could have come out a month ago and said that. It would be over by now and we’d be on to the next outrage.

Instead they are silent for a month then finally come out and blame 1 can and 2 people in marketing, one of which was in charge of their entire North American marketing budget 🤣.
 

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Was just at the liquor store near my house in HB.
Asked the guy, "Are you seeing any of this Bud Light protest"???
He said, "We almost can't give it away . . . everyone went from Bud to Coors, and now our Coors order is backordered over 2-weeks".
Now this is bullshit. If run out of silver bullets because of this crap..
 

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The thing is, this boycott actually did, and is working. Do you not think there are a ton of other companies watching this go down and having meetings? basically saying "We aren't touching that topic with a 10 foot pole, it's the 3rd fuckin rail"

And to be fair, it's not only bud light doing this, there are actually way worse examples of woke-vertising. Bud Light just took the perfect storm of timing, people being sick and tired of being clubbed over the head with trans stuff, between the men competing in women's sports and kids being transistioned, Mulvaneys audience being mainly kids, and their product being a male blue collar brand.

It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

A huge amount of the consumer base is tired of being preached to at every single turn, every single product, Bud Light is taking the brunt of that pent up frustration.

I'm a Coors guy so don't blame me 🤣 I can't stop buying what i never bought

Don’t disagree…. But again you aren’t wearing wool
 

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Lol maybe that’s because it was 10 in the morning? It’s 5 o’clock somewhere 😂

It was funny, but are you suggesting people do not buy beer at 10am on a Friday before the weekend?

American Legion last night. I didn't see one BL can, but did see a guy having a Bud. 1 guy and the place was packed as it was poker night. There is a BL sign that has the legion number on it. Not sure if they are going to keep that. My buddy is the commander of the legion, so I will ask him when I see him.

As someone else said. Didn't know about your first paragraph above Dave. Only knew about the problems with logging in/site shut down stuff.
 
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