Boat Question Hallett 210 Tab Angle

[stevesdcb]

Have a 210 with 500 hp & a belly tank. Boat currently has the small Bennett tabs. At 60mph & above boat feels a little flighty to me if the water conditions are not real smooth. Looking to install some Dana 1000 tabs.

Pic of Cole Trickles yellow 210 with tabs mounted angled with the bottom of the boat.

Pic of Mellowyellowvectors blue 210 with tabs mounted horizontal.

Both boats have approximately 100 more hp than mine.

My goal is approximately 75mph without that flighty feel. Have contacted GT & got their opinion. Anybody have experience & can tell me the pros & cons of mounting angled vs horizontal?

 

[guest hs]

You will get full use of the tabs if mounted parallel to the hulls bottom my Cole has Dana 1000 tabs mount horizontal if it was an easy swap I would move them to the parallel location

 

[UltraLucky]

The placement on the Blue 210 eliminates having to cut the sub floor. On the Yellow 210 they pretty much cover the holes left by the Bennett’s. As far as which way is best for effectiveness I think you get arguments to support either position. I don’t think flat or horizontal is going to make a big difference at these speeds or horsepower levels.
So..what did GT say? My guess is horizontal.

 

[RiverDave]

The horizontal tabs are more to help chine walking situations at higher speeds. The thought process being they are hanging way out past the end of the boat with nothing touching the water. You lower them and just a small triangle portion of the tab is hitting the water. If the boat rocks to one side that triangle dips and gets larger and provides lift to push it the other way, and then vice versa. They are more of a stabilizing feature, albeit most of them are long enough you can drop them and still get lift like conventional tabs.

Mounting them parallel you can have a much smaller tab, and this is used more as another control surface and to balance loads / waves etc.. If flighty is the problem you are trying to solve I'd mount them parallel.

That said that boat with an HP500 if setup right should be running in the 80's stock.

RD

 

[guest hs]

Don’t forget if they are mounted parallel the boat thinks it’s actually bigger then it really is using the whole tab is extending the riding surface you don’t get that mounted horizontal

 

[HALLETT BOY]

I’d be calling Jerry at Baron boats , if anybody knows anything, he does .

 

[ToMorrow44]

Me personally I’d mount them horizontal for the high speed stability. Kinda acts as training wheels, vice mounting them parallel creates more drag and can lift the back of the boat. Those are pretty big tabs for a 21, so even mounting them horizontal, you’ll still get full effect for planing, low speeds, rough water, etc.

 

[spectracular]

Horizontal. They are there to help stabilize, not act as plows. The tabs are simply extending and widening the lifting strakes back behind the boat. Running them horizontal lets the tabs lift the ass-end vertically. Putting them parallel means that you are not lifting straight up, but rather forcing the stern up and in at the same time and to top it off the two inward forces are opposing one another. Don’t scrub speed for no good reason.

Also, the tabs should be able to completely clear the water when running st speed. You can always lower them into position as you like, but give yourself the option of running tabless when you want the least amount of drag.

 

[SoCalDave]

2FF to the white courtesy phone please...

 

[the lynch mob]

Just put a 2ff Wammo plate and call it good.

 

[RiverDave]

Just put a 2ff Wammo plate and call it good.

At some point I'm going to slap a go pro on the back of a boat just he can see that the whamo plate doesn't do anything.. LOL

RD

 

[Runs2rch]

Have a 210 with 500 hp & a belly tank. Boat currently has the small Bennett tabs. At 60mph & above boat feels a little flighty to me if the water conditions are not real smooth. Looking to install some Dana 1000 tabs.

Pic of Cole Trickles yellow 210 with tabs mounted angled with the bottom of the boat.

Pic of Mellowyellowvectors blue 210 with tabs mounted horizontal.

Both boats have approximately 100 more hp than mine.

My goal is approximately 75mph without that flighty feel. Have contacted GT & got their opinion. Anybody have experience & can tell me the pros & cons of mounting angled vs horizontal?

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Trim it up and get on top of the water when its like that. Not through it if that makes sense. I would mount them like Cole Trickles.

 

[Croz]

I plan on doing the same set up this year Steve. Found a pair of some used hp1000’s and plan to mount them like Cole trickles. parallel, I’ve got less power than you though.

 

[stevesdcb]

The placement on the Blue 210 eliminates having to cut the sub floor. On the Yellow 210 they pretty much cover the holes left by the Bennett’s. As far as which way is best for effectiveness I think you get arguments to support either position. I don’t think flat or horizontal is going to make a big difference at these speeds or horsepower levels.
So..what did GT say? My guess is horizontal.

Yes, GT recommended horizontal.

 

[stevesdcb]

Just put a 2ff Wammo plate and call it good.

LOL

 

[stevesdcb]

Well........Shit, that's about a 50/50 split, clear as mud. Maybe I can get Cole Trickle to drive Mellowyellowvectors boat & visa versa.

 

[guest hs]

My Cole was rigged by Prime Marine and their logic was since my boat has a Delta Pad to run the tabs horizontal parallel to the flat keel my boat has. It definitely sounds logical but its not how I would have mounted them.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

At some point I'm going to slap a go pro on the back of a boat just he can see that the whamo plate doesn't do anything.. LOL

RD

pretty ignorant statement, so you are say'n a notched transom does nothing....LOL...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

pretty basic... mount them parallel on slow boat and horizonal on faster boats... what happens is with them mounted parallel , anything past zero trim causes huge drag... so when you try to use the long tabs to stop the boat from kiting... you loose so much speed that you don't need them.. with them horizonal, you can run tab down and trim up and run level..there is a breaking speed amount that comes in to play...with them horizonal, they always cause transom lift, which 210's need after 60 mph or so...I'd like to have a 210 with a down peddle and cav plates...then you could run it ...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

heres a video that show what I just said... the tabs are up as is the trim....the boat comes up on some rollers and the driver doesn't peddle the boat, but dumps the tabs...pretty scary looking ...or would you call it chine walk....right at the end of the video...I would have liked to seen how out of control it really got... but it at the end of the video..

 

[Cole Trickle]

heres a video that show what I just said... the tabs are up as is the trim....the boat comes up on some rollers and the driver doesn't peddle the boat, but dumps the tabs...pretty scary looking ...or would you call it chine walk....right at the end of the video...I would have liked to seen how out of control it really got... but it at the end of the video..

Lol....

That boat has never been out of control a single day in its life.

Stick to the whamo plated stock powered 210’s that you are an expert on.[emoji846][emoji6]

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Lol....

That boat has never been out of control a single day in its life.

Stick to the whamo plated stock powered 210’s that you are an expert on.[emoji846][emoji6]

buy a boat and we'll talk cake boy...

 

[Cole Trickle]

buy a boat and we'll talk cake boy...

Alright buddy...

I’ll just keep going to work and keeping the company afloat that pays for everything including the boat I found specd turned wrenches on and had built...lol

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Alright buddy...

I’ll just keep going to work and keeping the company afloat that pays for everything including the boat I found specd turned wrenches on and had built...lol

lol... you answer the phones at your dads business....lol...

 

[Cole Trickle]

lol... you answer the phones at your dads business....lol...

Yeah.... the company I started at when I was 16. Licensed insurance agent since 19 and the only one in my family that has showed up for a full days work in the past 20 years.

If you ever need me to talk to your boys about how thankless it is working for there father let me know I could give them all the info they need.... difference is my dad has never bought me or co signed for shit.

I’m done with your cheap shots.. get your facts straight it’s getting old.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

pretty ignorant statement, so you are say'n a notched transom does nothing....LOL...

Ouch ...

 

[HighVoltage329]

Trim it high & let it fly. Straight bottom Hallett's like to run nose high. I don't think you need more than the Bennett's. Maybe a prop with less stern lift.

 

[guest hs]

There’s no way that Boat could react that fast with hyd. Trim tabs the boat would have to have a Manuel operated down pedal to react that fast. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t have a down pedal.

 

[hallett21]

heres a video that show what I just said... the tabs are up as is the trim....the boat comes up on some rollers and the driver doesn't peddle the boat, but dumps the tabs...pretty scary looking ...or would you call it chine walk....right at the end of the video...I would have liked to seen how out of control it really got... but it at the end of the video..

Im not seeing anything that looks scary or out of control?

 

[Cdog]

Curious what larger tabs like this would do for my Howard 21 I/O?

Currently I have the single ram Bennett’s.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

My Cole was rigged by Prime Marine and their logic was since my boat has a Delta Pad to run the tabs horizontal parallel to the flat keel my boat has. It definitely sounds logical but its not how I would have mounted them.

one day I'm gonna put a go pro on the back of a boat and show you a delta pad doesn't do anything...!!!

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Curious what larger tabs like this would do for my Howard 21 I/O?

Currently I have the single ram Bennett’s.

larger tabs will cause transom lift, but at the same time keep it from kite'n… you just wanna run slight bow up and level,.. too much tab and you start getting in to bow steer....that gets scary

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Trim it high & let it fly. Straight bottom Hallett's like to run nose high. I don't think you need more than the Bennett's. Maybe a prop with less stern lift.

halletts are pretty docile boat with med power and under 70... they need to be rigged to run 80-90 and up with big power...

 

[guest hs]

one day I'm gonna put a go pro on the back of a boat and show you a delta pad doesn't do anything...!!!

I have owned a couple padded bottom boats and I can say I would much rather have a conventional style keel at the transom

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Im not seeing anything that looks scary or out of control?

look at the end of that video, it comes up on some little rollers and starts swapping side to side , the driver chopped the throttle off and they cut the video... would be nice to see what happen all the way...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I have owned a couple padded bottom boats and I can say I would much rather have a conventional style keel at the transom

I'm with you there...that top end dance is kinda different.. I guess it's evolution,.. but.... i'd jump over a whole row of stepped and ventedboats to get to a old school straight bottom..I'm kind of one the guys that would rather just put more power than start doing stuff to the bottom..

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Yeah.... the company I started at when I was 16. Licensed insurance agent since 19 and the only one in my family that has showed up for a full days work in the past 20 years.

If you ever need me to talk to your boys about how thankless it is working for there father let me know I could give them all the info they need.... difference is my dad has never bought me or co signed for shit.

I’m done with your cheap shots.. get your facts straight it’s getting old.

thank you, 2 or 3 years of your shit got old long ago... a truce sounds good to me..
and as far as my boys go, they built the business and they own it... they just rent my building..doubt they would still be there if they had to still work for me...not many people will build a business for someone else and not get on paper....they just go off on their own...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well this took a turn.

 

[Cdog]

larger tabs will cause transom lift, but at the same time keep it from kite'n… you just wanna run slight bow up and level,.. too much tab and you start getting in to bow steer....that gets scary

I’m still trying to add weight to the bow to get rid of the bow slap. Hopefully that will allow me to run minimal tabs so I don't have to slow down the boat while trying to make it go faster.

Did your & Marko’s 21 have a pad skeg? I have one in front of my engine. This is what made me doubt when I would get advise to run it bow down all the time. Skeg wouldn’t be there if that was the case. The boat is faster when the majority of it is out of the water. Handles better too.

Will know more after this weekend. Going to Parker to test more with weight in the bow.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I’m still trying to add weight to the bow to get rid of the bow slap. Hopefully that will allow me to run minimal tabs so I don't have to slow down the boat while trying to make it go faster.

Did your & Marko’s 21 have a pad skeg? I have one in front of my engine. This is what made me doubt when I would get advise to run it bow down all the time. Skeg wouldn’t be there if that was the case. The boat is faster when the majority of it is out of the water. Handles better too.

Will know more after this weekend. Going to Parker to test more with weight in the bow.

hard to believe... but the little tab in the center cured that for me...what it does is help stop the transom for burring down so far and makes the boat stay on level keel more, then for you can run with less tab and air the boat out..I found the howard to more predictable at higher speed, but not as smooth of ride at slower speeds..I personally would not add weight to the bow, but fix whats going on at the transom... but that just how I would do it..

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I’m still trying to add weight to the bow to get rid of the bow slap. Hopefully that will allow me to run minimal tabs so I don't have to slow down the boat while trying to make it go faster.

Did your & Marko’s 21 have a pad skeg? I have one in front of my engine. This is what made me doubt when I would get advise to run it bow down all the time. Skeg wouldn’t be there if that was the case. The boat is faster when the majority of it is out of the water. Handles better too.

Will know more after this weekend. Going to Parker to test more with weight in the bow.

I did learn this about the howard at speed in ruff water... as long as you peddled it , it would blast through just about every thing,.you get a feel for it and it really makes a differance..

 

[Melloyellovector]

My 2 cents, on a 210 doesn’t make a shit of difference

GT and Islander rigged them usually horizontal, they have their reasons

On my vector we set them up horizontal also

Honestly horizontal on a 210 w tabs like we have are causing drag at all times and speeds ( regardless of position or speed ) I can put mine all the way up and they’re still in contact with the water. Maybe 4-6in less at speed versus Brandon’s

I have run w Brandon’s a couple times and I may pull on him slightly but mine also has blue printed bottom and work inside that lighten the boat.
Minimal difference at best.

For me I like em horizontal, flat makes a great sitting area in the water, no swim steps needed. LOL

Other then that I don’t believe either way really makes a shit of difference on a 210

 

[2FORCEFULL]

My 2 cents, on a 210 doesn’t make a shit of difference

GT and Islander rigged them usually horizontal, they have their reasons

On my vector we set them up horizontal also

Honestly horizontal on a 210 w tabs like we have are causing drag at all times and speeds ( regardless of position or speed ) I can put mine all the way up and they’re still in contact with the water. Maybe 4-6in less at speed versus Brandon’s

I have run w Brandon’s a couple times and I may pull on him slightly but mine also has blue printed bottom and work inside that lighten the boat.
Minimal difference at best.

For me I like em horizontal, flat makes a great sitting area in the water, no swim steps needed. LOL

Other then that I don’t believe either way really makes a shit of difference on a 210

Gotta say, I agree 100%... those long tabs will benefit at say 80 and above in ruff water... but most of the time cause drag, and that cause's transom lift... which the 210 needs to stay on keel.. wouldn't like to be going 70 plus in a Hallett with no tabs...the best way is to be able to run a zero tab and let the hp and bottom do it's work.. with the long tabs and the fact that to get the top end speed out of the boat,people tend to over tab to keep the boat running flat, and at the same time too much positive trim..could get in to trouble with that combo...my idea..as it's not proven m by me that the 210 would benefit more with shorter tabs that were wider... as in a full cav plate...pretty much no one wants to spend the $$$ to do this so it is pretty rare to see... what I see is the 500hp being about the most power one would want in a 210 with out doing a lot of work on the back of the boat....

 

[skav]

Horizontal cause great step too


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[stevesdcb]

Skav.....liked your comment about seeing MYV, in the 210, leading the way to Pirates yesterday. Anybody have video of it? wish I could of seen it myself.

 

[AJDEAN955]

I had a 500 horse 210 with hp1000 mounted parallel off the first strake closest to the v and it rocked side to side at speed unless I had down tab in it... I’m moving mine to the farthest out side strakes horizontal

 

[AJDEAN955]

 

[Outdrive1]

Jesus. Wtf happened in here. [emoji51]


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[2FORCEFULL]

Jesus. Wtf happened in here. [emoji51]


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inwhere, are you in the bathroom??? china buffet

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Horizontal cause great step too


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where's your video???